Iranian Liberal Democrat

amirkabir

I stand by my statement 100%. Islam is not a race. I don't need to be a lawyer. Do I need to be a mathematician to tell 2+2=4? 

Jews are veiwed as race because it is a religion based on enthnicity. Just like native Americans have a religion which is mostly confined to their group. The number of converts is relatively small so by and large it is an ethnic group. Historically they are grouped and treated not based on religion but race. For example Hitler did not let non religious Jews go. He based it on ehtnicity not whether they practiced Judaism. 

Islam on the other hand spans races. Do you dispute this? How many black Muslims do you see in the USA. Would you say they are of the same race as the Saudi or Chechen or Muslims of China or Iran? Come on lets be reasonable. I am just stating facts that are obvious.

If we wanted a lawyer for every argument then they may as well shut IC. There is something known as common sense. We have no choice but to rely on it. I don't have money for that many lawyers.

VPK

VPK

you said;

"anti-Islam people are not racist."

excuse me are you a human rights lawyer or a law maker? This is the trouble media has created for us all.

Your argument is on boarder line when you say islam is not a race, however I strongly recommend think hard. These days jews are of all races, but there is no mention of them. WHY? because it is considered as racist. Even why a jewish criminal is arrested the media avoid mentioning the religion just in case get into trouble.

If Fred is not racist he should choose his words carefully. 

Fairness and Equality in Justice

Dear Boomerang

I plan to write a longer response when I have a bit more time. But for now here:

• I agree that we are on the same page regarding IRR but differ regarding USA.
• I agree that there are plenty of consipracy wild accusations coming from the left as much as the right.
• I agree that the USA left can be quite crazy. For example Thom Hartman is a left wing hack in my opinion. The guy fails to see the danger of Islamist radicalism. He also seems to gloat every time an American gets killed. Sickening for an American.
• Yes, the treatment of Gerald Ford was wrong and quite unfair. Sure he made a mistake regarding Poland. But he would have been a million times better Persident than idiot Carte was. Probably saved us from the IRI.
• The jury is out on Obama. His lack of popularity is due to economic reasons. If thinks pick up that will change. He has not be soft on Islamic radicals like Carter was. Therefore it is unfair to put them in the same boat.

As you see I am not a hard core leftist. I try to see both sides and don't like what I see on either one.

For now best,

VPK

amirkabir

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I would say anti-Islam people are not racist. As you know Islam is not a race it is a religion. That is obvious since there are Muslims of all races do you agree; if not please say why. Therefore the most you could say is Islamophobe or anti Islam. Not a racist person.

To be a racist you need to be opposed to a race or in love with one. Fred is neither and thus not a racist or at least no shown any sign of.

VPK, be fair brother...

You and I agree on a lot when it comes to Iran and the depraved IRI, but I've noticed that when it comes to America and its politics and political personalities, we are very different. You unfairly refer to Palin as a "nutjob" even though she's never held national office and when she was the governor of Alaska, she had over 80% approval rating, something Obama would kill for. She sold off the governor's private plane and flew commercial and made a very sweet deal with the oil companies where the citizens of Alaska, each one, would receive over $3,000 of oil company profits per year.

All and all she did a fantastic job as governor, but was mercilously persecuted by the very same morally bankrupt leftits media that wants to jump into bed with the rapist IRI at every turn. She was unfairly ridiculed by SNL (Tina Fey) the same way and for the same reasons that Gerald Ford was ridiculed by SNL (Chevy Chase) in order to benefit insanely incompetent liberal candidates -- first Carter, then Obama. Both Chase and Fey are hard-core lefty democrats, who wanted to see Carter and Obama in the White House. With all due respect, please think for yourself and don't let the lefty media think for you. To be president, one need not be a genuis (in fact, Carter is supposed to have a very high IQ, the same was true for another lousy president in Herbert Hoover), but rather, all you need is someone who knows right from wrong, period. Moral clarity. Carter never had that, neither does this bullshit artists, Obama, I don't give a shit how smart he may be.

And then you refer to Limbaugh and Beck as somehow purveyors of "conspiracy theories and insane ideas." Nothing could be further from the truth, actually. I used to think like you -- in the 90's I used to think Limbaugh was a fat hick, but in the last 7 years have found him to be unbelievably enlightened in almost every facet of American politics. All you have to do is give him a chance. Of course if you're a lefty democrat, forget it.

And it's funny how you refer to "wild accustations," with an allusion to "birthers," but you fail to cite the numerous wild accusations during the Bush White House when all the left did for some 7 years, post 9/11, was to blame Bush and accuse him of being part of the 9/11 conspiracy. Was that not wild, dear VPK? Was that not an "insane conspiracy theory"? Was that not an "insane idea," to think that President Bush had conspired with Mohammad Atta to bring down the twin towers and kill some 3,000 Americans? But somehow you fail to mention this sort of lefty insanity and allude to Ken Starr, who actually had a legitimate case against Clinton, who had perjured himself UNDER OATH in sexual harrassment law suit filed by Paula Jones (which had nothing to do with Monica Lewinski).

Please be a little more fair when it comes to conservative American figures and think long and hard about who is really a friend of Iran -- it most certainly is NEVER the democratic party and its Bill Mahr, Jon Stewart, moveon.org, George Soros crowd. That ignoramus (Jon Stewart) even had Ebrahim Yazdi's son on his show last year when the IRI had imprisoned the elder Yazdi and Rafsanjani's daughter immediately after the protests and Stewart actually refered to that murdering traitor Ebrahim Yazdi as a "great man." I almost threw up on myself, I actually think I did a little! 

Just look at Obama right now. There was a report by the BBC recently that during the protests, Khamenei and Ahmadinejad had their airplanes ready to escape Iran. It was that effing close to regime change. But Iranians received absoluetly no support from the Obama White House. None. Obama even failed to condemn the Neda killing for 10 whole fucking days! Believe me, John McCain and Sara Palin would not have waited that long. That's because this lefty vermin was hoping against hope to negotiate with the fucking mullahs! Obama still thinks he can negotiate with these savages so he can say, "I was the first president to bring Iran back to America!" A morally bankrupt, but "very smart" narcissist, that's who we have in the White House. Frankly, I would have rather have a lady from Alaska who knows right from wrong, even if she was no freaking rocket scientist!

 Iran is a prisoner of IRI

To onlyIran

you are correct saying we are not ready for democracy, look at it this way surely there is a difference between free speach and insult. The reason only a few people backed him on this blog prove it. I personally think he is full of hate about islam, thats all. 

Fairness and Equality in Justice

To Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

I am very busy but as you asked for proof, as one example, why doesn't he refer to IRI as just republic instead of 'islamist rapist'. And I noticed every time he mentions islam he has to add some comment following that.

I will add more if I get time.

 Fairness and Equality in Justice

OnlyIran

With all due respect I think we are ready for democracy. At least as much as anyone is. All the complaints you have about IC apply to the American public.

From conspiracy theories to insane ideas. Just listen to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and remember they have many followers. To nut job politicians from Carter to Palin. To a totally misinformed and frankly stupid general population. To with hunts: remember Ken Starr. To wild accusations: Clinton accused of murdering Vince Foster. To more wild accusations: Obama and the birthers. To nut job insane priests: Pat Robertson to John Hagee. If America gets to have democracy we're more than ready.

The problem with us Iranians is that we like to put ourselves down. This is due to centuries of being told we are no good. Since the days of Arabs we were made to have low self esteem. No more: we are no worse than anyone. Just as good!

Masoud Jaan, the problem is not just one person

the problem is our culture.  Let's face it: we are NOT ready for democracy.  We can't hear opposing points of view.  That's why we viscously attack others whose opinion differs from us. I really don't care who "Fred" is.  I don't care if he is Benjamin Natanyahu, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong Il or Barack Obama.  He offers a point of view.  Some, like me most of the times, find his opinions not only offensive and contrary to the interest of the Iranian people, but almost rather scary.  To be honest with you, I gave up reading most of his blogs a long time ago, although I think I recently read a couple of them and may have agreed with him on one issue.  I don't even know why JJ features all of them.  I think that there are many other other blogs that should be featured instead but don't get the spot on the front page that they deserve.  

But the larger point is that people who are on opposite side of his opinions, have tried to paint--until three days ago-- him as a "company" of..I don't know..Israel or Mossad or AIPAC representatives.  But they quickly changed their mind and agreed with someone who wrote a blog saying that he works for some PR firm or something.  But let's say that he does, or he is a "group" of some sorts.  Are we, as Iranians, so stupid that we should be afraid of him posting on this site (or other sites) because somehow Iranians are going to "fall for him"?  That's really an insult to the intelligence of the Iranian people.

 I frankly would welcome Ahmadinejad AND Natanyahoo both to register of this site and spew their nonsense as much as they want.  If anything, it will give everyone the opportunity to give them a piece of our mind.  As a recent victim of one of these witch hunt diatribes posted by none other than the conspiracy theorist in chief "Q" (where he came up with his self imposed "rules" on who is an AIPAC agent and named me as one because of my username--despite the fact that I have actually exposed real AIPAC tactics on this site before), I can speak from experience in saying that none of these witch hunts have any basis in fact.  Here's the link to an earlier blog of mine:

 //iranian.com/main/blog/onlyiran/john-hagees-hate-fest-nuke-iran 

But unfortunately, this sort of witch hunt, paranoid conspiracy theories and intolerance for other points of view is ingrained in our culture and will take a very long time for that culture to change. Perhaps we deserved Shah's & IRI's dictatorships.  After all, how can we possibly move forward with a pluralistic society when we try to silence those who disagree with us through threats, witch hunts, slander and bullying?  

amirkabir

Please define what you mean by "racist". I hear that charge thrown around a lot. It is a very serious charge and you need to back it up when you make it. You just accused Fred of making "racist" remarks. Please post an example so we know what you mean.

If you are unable to post one then please post a retraction and an apology.

Regards,

VPK

To Masoud

you may have a heart of gold, generally positive or maybe have other motives but you can express yourself too.

However I think this is a good times this person, i.e. Fred, tried a bit harder and made sure his comments are not racist. He can express himself as much as he wants about IRI, but he does not have the right to insult so many people. Considering the no of blogs he writes maybe he does not think hard enough to realise what he is writing. His friends here who like to compliment him should try to explain to him what is racist and what is not. Maybe he is very young and does not know the difference. It is fine if he does not like islam but he does not need to go that far. Those of you who are looking for freedom of speach need to understand there is a difference between free speeach and insults.

Fairness and Equality in Justice

I, too,  admire Fred's

I, too,  admire Fred's tenacity and relentless conviction in exposing the criminality of the IRI leadership on IC.  His conviction reminds of Churchill's "never give in" speech.

See it below:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwrWUlq7Xk4&feature=player_embedded

Agayeh Khazemzadeh

I salute you and your words. You are a good man and I apologize for any disrespectful words that I have said to you. My mother was a JM. I guess kids have to rebel against their parents. No matter how much they love them.

No matter; I agree with 60% of what you say; disagree with 20 and don't worry about 20%. In a new Iran we will be friends.

Take Care and my best to you,

VPK

Kazemzadeh, you are off base, IMHO

this "reading" is entirely your own and not supported by anything Abrahamian has ever said:

Abrahamian is right that there are conservative, or more accurately reactionary, social classes in Iran as well as in the U.S. These reactionary social classes that are poor and religious get attracted to conservative or reactionary, or fascistic or Islamic fundamentalist groups such as the KKK, Nazi Party, Fascist Party, al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Khomeini’s fundamentalist regime. In more advanced countries (e.g., U.S.), these social classes might get attracted to milder forms in the various Christian fundamentalist groups (who are not fascist but merely ultra-conservative).

In addition, you forget the welfare state (that Abrahamian does talk about) and the revolutionary guard complex, both of which are distinct from the evangelicals. This brings the conservative "base" much higher than the 30% that Abrahamian spoke of (of course there is religious-based anti government faction too, that should be subtracted).

In any case, your stance on sanctions which is exactly the neocon plan (including Fred), is completely unacceptable and without support inside Iran. The second problem is treating people like Sargord, that you surely know you must work with in any possible future in any kind of democratic government, as "enemy" is completely counterproductive.

This, to me, says even the JM doesn't think that JM has a chance to help establish a new government in Iran.

Mr.Masoud Kazemzadeh

Wise acts are done for their necessity, nice acts are done for their impressions. I salute your wisdom.

“The production of too many useful things results in too many useless people.”

SamSam's best?

I'm very VERY surprised others have not commented on your post down below, but it was truly a thing of beauty!! We certainly don't see eye-to-eye on every subject, but everyone and their second cousin should read SamSam's comment below -- it is *perhaps* his best post ever on this site and that's saying a lot, to be sure.

Fred, keep up the great work, I almost always agree with everything you write, even though I don't always leave a comment!!!

Sassan

 Iran is a prisoner of IRI

Reply to Artificial Intelligence

Please dont elevate the mozdoors of the islamist khalifa by calling them "far left".

These vermins are "centrists". They Centre on who has the Green Dollar bank notes and then do whatever the master with Green bank notes would tell them to do. During Shah they spied for Savak, now during Islamist regime they spy for the Khalifa khamenei. In fact they are the True GREENS. No wonder their cheerleader on this site is using the picture of the self assumed leader of the GREEN movement in Iran as his avator! Not just an accoident I'd say :)

Great Post Masoud.

I second your comments.

I read ALL Fred's comments. I agree with some, disagree with some. But for sure, based on his writings, he is an Iranian like the rest of us who loves Iran and is working the best he can to high light the plight of the Iranian nation suffering in the clutches of Islamist fascists back home in Iran.

The fact he is being attacked on this site with most vulgar, outragous accusations which can only eminate from paid agents of Islamist khalifa hiding in the west under false ID's only strengthen the bonds between we Iranians with different ideological persuations, all united in opposing this genocidal fascistic regime of velayate Vaghih.

Islamist regime is indeed a great unifying force amongst Iranains!

Long Live Iran 

Iranian.com is used to spread lies& promote terrorist activities

On August 8, 2010, Fred lied about a NIAC board member attending a conference in Tehran.  Fred cited New York Times which I read twice and found nothing in it.  Fred lied and his non-sense was displayed in front page of Iranian.com

IRI officials are not “tafteh joda bafeteh” from the rest of our people. Shah and his cronies were hated in 1970s, now it is IRI officials.

  You cannot make a threat or advocate bombing(s).  According to USA State Dept. and Israel Officials, if someone makes threats and advocates bombings, he or she is a terrorist.  Several people have joined Fred Co. in making threats and advocate bombings.         

Iranian.com is used to spread lies and promote terrorist activities.

Keep up the good work Fred

You are a true patriot. You do a great job at exposing the hypocricy of the far left. 

Keep up the good work Fred

You are a true patriot. You do a great job at exposing the hypocricy of the far left. 

Wether you agree or disagree

with tactics of some, at the end of the day they are all natives of the land they hold dear, be it monarchists, hezbollahi, reformists, commies, seculars or else. Yet at the end of the day most of you have more in common culturaly than you might admit in the eyes of an outsider or a foreigner. How can an emotional dude like Fred(Farhad Mohebbi Ashtiani) former Asian wrestling champion who quotes Hafez & Saadi & loves Nasre Farsi be an Aipac or Cia agent. He is as human & Iranian as the rest of you but just differes with you on the issue of governance & the approaches he sees fit to fix it. Tolerance is the lesson we should all share. Heck every day when I read or see this akh tofan malakhan scripts & language or look at the culture and psyche of status quo I get pissed but do I go around calling all compatriots Bedoine agents, no!. The melting pot you call Iran belongs to all of you, a rainbow of goodness, ignorance,aspirations & disillusions. Accept it, deal with it or leave it but never make the mistake of calling one of her citizens a foreign agent. He is more of you than you let see.

Cheers & again kudos to Masoud gerammi!!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

عتاب کردن آتش را آن پادشاه جهود

بر در خرگهٔ سگان ترکمان
چاپلوسی کرده پیش میهمان

ور بخرگه بگذرد بیگانه‌رو
حمله بیند از سگان شیرانه او

من ز سگ کم نیستم در بندگی
کم ز ترکی نیست حق در زندگی

آتش طبعت اگر غمگین کند
سوزش از امر ملیک دین کند

مولوی » مثنوی معنوی » دفتر اول

عتاب کردن آتش را آن پادشاه جهود

بر در خرگهٔ سگان ترکمان
چاپلوسی کرده پیش میهمان

ور بخرگه بگذرد بیگانه‌رو
حمله بیند از سگان شیرانه او

من ز سگ کم نیستم در بندگی
کم ز ترکی نیست حق در زندگی

آتش طبعت اگر غمگین کند
سوزش از امر ملیک دین کند

مولوی » مثنوی معنوی » دفتر اول

If I may add

that Fred writes better in Farsi than most and his knowledge of Persian literature is immense.  Thank you Fred, thank you Masoud for staying the course of this most trying road, freedom of Iran from hypocrisy, corruption, ignorance and violence.  

Masoud

Masoud,

Much obliged, but I would rather you spend your valuable time and fantasticly accurate historical knowledge in writing and lecturing on serious stuff. Which includes setting straight the Islamist Rapist friendly historical revisionists mushrooming all over the place.

As you see these hired guns even the clumsy ringer Via NIAC lobby Chris Davis don’t fool that many, are spotted right away and  treated accordingly.

Baa sepaas,

Q

Q,

It appears that Abrahamian is saying that about 25 to 30 of the population is "evangelical." He adds that Ahmadinejad expresses their sentiments. He is not making a firm announcement about Ahmadinejad’s social base.

Abrahamian is right that there are conservative, or more accurately reactionary, social classes in Iran as well as in the U.S. These reactionary social classes that are poor and religious get attracted to conservative or reactionary, or fascistic or Islamic fundamentalist groups such as the KKK, Nazi Party, Fascist Party, al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Khomeini’s fundamentalist regime. In more advanced countries (e.g., U.S.), these social classes might get attracted to milder forms in the various Christian fundamentalist groups (who are not fascist but merely ultra-conservative).

It would be stupid to underestimate the likes of Hitler’s Nazi Party, or Usama bin Laden’s al Qaeda, or Khomeini-Khamenei-Ahmadinejad and their social bases.

If it was easy to overthrow these reactionary violent groups, we would not have so much violence in this world.

There are many forms of struggles. In this site, all one can do is to engage in ideological and political struggles against these reactionary fundamentalist terrorist forces.

Sargord Piroz supports this reactionary violent regime; therefore, he is the enemy of the pro-democracy Iranians.

There is one primary line here. Those who support the fundamentalist regime. And those who oppose this fundamentalist regime.

There are also other lines; pro-democracy vs dictatorial.

One good thing about Sargord is that at least he is honest about his support for the terrorist regime. This cannot be said about many others who hide their allegiance of the regime. These latter posters are more dangerous and harmful.

You could ask about the strategy I would suggest to fight against the fundamentalist terrorist regime. I support UN Security Council sanctions against the terrorist regime. No purchase of oil from the terrorist regime (like the sanctions against the racist apartheid regime in South Africa). I hope to see that this would cause economic and political collapse. An uprising and the collapse of the regime. Then the establishment of a provisional government, referendum, and free elections.

MK

Q-farce

It doesn't matter if I get deleted, you read what I wanted you  -- and only you -- to read, so let my comment be deleted now. It has already served its purpose. And as far as getting a new ID, that's no bother either. So, thanks for reading my words, now go sleep in your bug-ridden HEZI bed in Motel California, you morally bankrupt claptrap artist.

 Iran is a prisoner of IRI

Hmmm, something's in the water

seems to me that Masoud K. is applying for a job and has submiited his resume and given reference to iranian.com

Sounds to me that he is trying to get his future employees (possibly PETA) to believe that he is an open minded and toleratnt individual.

 At any rate, as iranians regardless of political affiliation we should strive to help those of us who are less fortunate especially in these economic times when the brother is trying to pay the rent for his studio apt. 

Godwilling, they accept his application and he gets employed.  For sure, his employment at PETA or YMCA would make much needed room for the battered iranians applying for welfare.

Good Luck, Mr Masoud.  Hope it goes well.

MR MASOUD HAS OUR FULL SUPPORT.  HE will be a great asset to your department.  Just make sure that you withhold his taxes. 

he's said it a couple of times,

with similar numbers, last time I heard it was here:

//www.democracynow.org/2009/12/31/the_era_of_...

And I would say there is also some support for the regime. We shouldn’t minimize that. There is, in the Iranian public, I would say about 25, 30 percent of the population is evangelical—not very different from the US public. And evangelicals would be looking at Ahmadinejad as a person who expresses their sort of both working lower-class and also religious sentiments.

The point being missed here is that you are in essence thinking only about a post-liberal democracy establishment and then you say, "yes, we'll tolerate everyone." The question that is of actual importance is how the millions that I spoke of, are going to actually agree to such a system to begin with. At the most ideal conditions, after you have magically solved many existing obstacles and somehow brought down IRI without destroying the country, and under the best of scenrios of high unity, you can probably hope for 55% success in a national referendum, which is a recipe for disaster and likely civil war. Any system that doesn't have at least 85-90% support just isn't going to be sustainable.

The problem with the opposition is that they dont seem to realize this simple fact.

Sassan: you're flagged. See you with your next ID!