Islam and Iran. An Open Letter
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Islam and Iran. An Open Letter
25-Aug-2008
Before listening to your clerics about Islam's past glories. Whine and blame others (Jews & Christians) for your own failures in life. Excuse away Muslim's present miserable state of affairs, on some Western colonialists ended 100 years ago. Just think for a moment, how many more times is this cleric is going to reveal to you that terrible “truth” about the, 'Zionist (Jewish) conspiracy to rule the world'.
When confronted, the first reaction comes off Muslim is claim responsibilities for developments made in the 12th-13th centuries in Europe. “we taught the filthy Europeans to be civilized”, and “we were, we invented, we are the greatest” et.. Fine, Islam was a super power in some period in history. But it ended more then 900 years ago. Resting on laurels of bygone era will not solve your social, and economical problems of today.
Just as much as Muslims were a great society, so were greater ones before, and after the Islamic empire came and gone. The Egyptians, the Chinese, the Greeks, the Romans, the Persian and the British Empires. At least, these munificent societies have left their marks on humanity through their social, and engineering monuments, demonstrating their advanced knowledge in applied science, physics, chemistry, social science, democracy, etc. The fruits of their knowledge are still used today. Do we hear the descendent's of these great societies howling their lungs “we were” or “we did”?
If one examines those purported Islamic accomplishments close enough, the obvious question remain, except for those grandiose Mosques and shrines built to glorify one man. What else Muslims have left behind? In reality, Islamic scholars achievement in these field were confined mainly in theoretical science, mostly works translated from the Rome, and Greek, or an improvements to an existing formula or theory, with very few applied Science .
All throughout modern times, society has instituted a system by which an inventor, or discoverer of scientific knowledge is rewarded with naming that discovery after his/her name. If your assertion of vast Islamic discoveries is true, why they are not taught in schools and universities throughout the world. Most glaring of which your claim of developing the Algebra & Calculus, then why the letters used are Greek and Roman, and not Arabic?
Maybe one should ask that venerable Imam or Mullah, to list those tangible contributions in any human endeavor, where good Muslims have made to humanities for past 900 years. Beside oil, of which Arab or Iranians didn’t even discovered, nor developed. Nothing.
How can anyone believe to that illiterate Akhoodeh or Imam in any city in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc., when he asserts with fiery fervor that Muslims are intellectually superior to the non-believers, when the best University throughout Arab & Islamic countries is not even ranked among the top 3000 centers of knowledge and education th4roughout the world. In reality, and unfortunately Muslims can not introduce even one world renowned University, Scientific Research Center. A world class Hospital. Major Industrial or High Technology Center? Nor name few renowned Arab researchers and scholars whom have had profound effect in improving the lives of humanity in the last 800 years.
How can anyone believe these clergies who claim, Islam reveres all those Jewish and Christian prophets, as their own. While, they will forbid any of the gospels preached by these Prophets, from entry in Saudi Arabia - Islam's birth place. While same Muslim clerics teach good and honest Muslims to “listen to the trees and rocks telling you to kill Jews hiding behind these them”. What type of self respecting society will accept such garbage as “gospel and words of Allah” ?
Why would anyone give any credence to the same clerics, calling Western civilization “Inferiors”. Or labeling Jews Apes and Pigs, while themselves offer innocent and vulnerable Muslims a standard of living comparable to Apes, and oppress them to think like a pig.
Today we live in knowledge based societies. How good and honest Muslims are able to improve their standard of living through utilization of modern scientific and academic tools, when they are forced into a 7th century mind-set, by accepting a book written some 1300 years ago, purported to contain all the human knowledge written by Allah for “true believers”.
How can anyone with a common sense, call Islam “a peaceful, and tolerant religion”, when non-Muslim minorities living among throughout Arab & Islamic states experience neither peace, nor tolerance, fearful to practice their respective religions and cultural in public.
With pervasive oppression and deprivation of freedom to express one's thoughts and speech in public, are we still surprised why Islamic countries publish the lowest number of books and manuscripts per Capita in the world. In science, medical research, cultural, space explorations, etc. Publication intended to expand human knowledge, and promote better understanding of human endeavor.
Muslims are neither genetically inferior, nor any less capable then anyone else. Nonetheless, would it be a big surprise, how come Muslims with population of 1.4 Billion, have produced only a handful Nobel Laureates – almost all of which in non-scientific fields. And those “nejesta” (Jews), whom Muslim clerics label as, “Apes & Pigs” with population 100 times smaller, they have produced more then 26 times of that Muslims.
The reason is very simple and straight forward my friend. After 1400 years, of oppression and suppression of one's freedom, time seem to stand still for most Muslims, while the civilized world have passed them by. No one can think of anything new, when he / she is forced to think, praise, and adhere to a cult warship of one illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago.
Just Consider the world’s perception of Muslims these days - Terror, fear, Poverty, desperation, hatred of non-Muslims. Constant ranting for revenge, dictatorships. Corrupt and despotic clerics in some countries, dictating every aspect of your life. Continued oppression, and suppression of individual’s mind and spirit. Al Qa'eda, Jihad, Jihannam (hell), Hamas, Ayatollahs, Talibans. Homicide bombers, Hizbollah, Nassrallah, who invent occupation to manufacture Reziztance, (Resistance), by targeting civilians to murder. Send a child to kill another one - in Israel, Algeria, Philippines, Iran, Iraq (war). And a holy book which contain orders to murder and loot anyone who does not follow Islam. Do we get the picture by now?
Average size of Arab or Muslim family in ME & Gulf region is a staggering 24-30 children (4 wives x 6 child per wife). Now, with one of the lowest income per capita in the world, how anyone expects to feed, dress and educate these children to become respected members of society ? It is unfortunate, isn't it?.
Muslims occupy over 99.8% of the Middle East, and Gulf Region, including Jews & Christians holiest sites in Jerusalem. Yet, for past 60 years, all they have been obsessed with, and whining about the 0.2% of the land occupied by Jews. Still, should we expect the rest of world to take Muslims claim of “victimized” any seriously? Or believe to their claim of the desire to live in co-existence with other non-Muslims in peace and tolerance.
No, Khanom, yah Agha, the real occupation is not about some petty sliver of land occupied by non-Muslims. Rather, the occupation of hate, intolerance, oppression, and sense of hopelessness instilled in hearts and mind of innocent children throughout the Arab & Islamic region for past 1400 years. It is Muhammad's own teaching which brought the Islamic states to where they are now. No one else to blame but themselves.
Today, almost 60 years later, it is clear to the civilized world that, The Palestinian agenda has been exploited by, either corrupt and despotic military dictators throughout the Arab world, or that fundamentalist Muslim clerics in mosques, preaching innocent Muslims blind hate and intolerance, just to advance their own political and religious objectives. While, more then 5 Million Palestinians are made to suffer by the hand of the very people who profess to be fighting for their their rights.
So, whom are these Islamic clerics trying to fool? This is EXACTLY the reason why western civilizations treat most Muslim, and those of Hamas and its Palestinians with contempt and luck of sympathy.
The question is, when rational decent Muslims are going to wake up to reality of today, and take tangible steps to alter the fundamentalist mind-set from violence and mass murder of innocent people to civilized one. Maybe, it should start with you.
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I haven't read your letter
by Mehdi on Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:37 AM PDTBut I think you should "close" it. It stinks like ZioNazi propaganda.
Why does the sun keep on shining? Why do the birds keep on
by Mola Nasredeen on Tue Aug 26, 2008 09:27 PM PDTsinging? Don't they know it is the end of the world.....MM why don't you just shut up with your childish, elementary commentary on Islam and muslims?
jalili - I guess the truth hurts ha?.
by Mehdi Mazloom on Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:07 AM PDTAnd I thank you that while not being aware of it, you are verifying and supporting my views. Indeed, any society which suppresses its members their free speech, or the freedom to agree and disagree, engage in public polemic on all matters important to the well being of a given society, is soon or later destined for doom.
It is most unfortunate that, Muslims like you consider a constructive criticism (as intended in the original post) with all that famous (and discarded) notion of "Insult".
The only way any system can be improved upon is through an open and honest self critisim, willingness to correct mistakes and errors. Islam as it is rendered today has a long way to go on that royal path of cheks and balances., distinction between right and wrong. Moral and immoral. It is time for Islam to walk the time of today, instead of resting of some laurels of the distance past.The type of Islam imposed on the Iranians is a classic case.
Let cut through the chase please.No historic and no kose' sheri revival. Since Islam has failed to keep up with the rest of the developing societies, the only way for it to assert itself was through the revival of the Medina, the barbaric and brutal version of Islam.
For that you should thank Khomeini whom in April 1979 mislead and duped the gullible and innocent Iranians to believe in this old and hate filled clergy whom:
promised them light, and delivered darkness.
Promised to push Iran forward, instead push them backward.
Promised heaven and delivered hell.
Promised laughter, and delivered cry.
Promised a freedom, and delivered suppression and oppression of woman's rights.
Promised economic prosperty, and delivered shattered economy with people begging in the streets for food and shelter.
Promised freedom (alas Islamic style) and delivered jail.
By the time the Iranains have found out the true color of the regime, it was too late.
WHAT I LIKE TO ASK IRANIANS, COMPARE IRAN OF 600 AD TO TODAY. WHAT ISLAM HAD DONE FOR IRANIANS.
I will be most interested to read.
mass murder you say?
by Anonymous8 (not verified) on Tue Aug 26, 2008 01:51 AM PDTfundamentalist mind-set from violence and mass murder of innocent people to civilized one.
Let's see...
World War I: 30 Million deaths
World War II: 70 Million deaths
Vietnam: 2-3 Million
Iraq: 1 Million
10:1 ratio of innocent civilian Palestinians killed versus Israeli civilians, more if you count Lebanon.
which religions really perpetuate mass murder? I'm confused, Mazloom, can you clarify please?
The numbers are a little off. Are you sure you are using your ARABIC numerals correctly your calculations?
Or is your whole argument a faith based argument?
There would have to be 9/11 every week for "Arabs" and "Muslims" to even remotely have a chance of catching up to Christian/Jewish/Western mass murders. Fortunately for all, they have been much more humane.
big thanks from the botom of my heart to you Mazloom
by jalili (not verified) on Tue Aug 26, 2008 01:38 AM PDTpeople like you and your narrow views are the reason Islam works as a unifying force, people in Eyrangeles not withstanding.
Islam is and has been on the rise on a historic reviaval since the 70s. The hardline Mullah's tell people Westerners hate us for who we are, nothing about what we do.
Thank you for proving them right. Thank you for proving that at the end of the day, all of this is really about bashing Islam and trying to show that jews and christians are better. We knew all along that was the western game plan.
To draw a parallel
by yinzer (not verified) on Mon Aug 25, 2008 09:39 PM PDTTo draw the obvious parallel, at one time, the west had great problems with an all powerful Catholic Church. Education was intentionally limited, scientists often faced imprisonment or death, and banking was basically forbidden. Western culture, science and industry never would have developed if the power of the church had not been greatly reduced.
Now, I don't consider religious leaders/scholars evil, but I do think that like all human beings they are imperfect and thus should not be given absolute power
Power in Iran does seem rather absolute due to the massive vetting powers of the guardian council. To me this is like claiming that the Supreme Leader is perfect.
So I guess I don't understand why muslims gravitate toward being ruled by totalitarian authority. Has someone changed Islamic law to state that man is perfect?
over the top
by Aziz (not verified) on Mon Aug 25, 2008 09:28 PM PDTHey Arians:
Go check out Alhambra in Spain and see how Catholics there give credit to Islam - where its due.
You (we) are no better or worse than others...Give it up,
And by the way who won the "marathon race" last week..Does anyone remember Marathon??
Mehdi ..No offence but
by samsam1111 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 06:36 PM PDTAll Religions (Judism included) today except Zorostrians to some extent have lost their original purpose: "Worshiping God all mercifull"...They all are bunch pagans in some form or other worshiping mere humans or memoribilia.. Shia is the worst case... Your battle won,t succeed via changing Islam..Mine is simple..Concentrate on nations to go back to their own Ethnic values..be it phenecian Arabs, Turks, Iranians or Egyptians...in the long run Nationalism will prevail and Egyptian will be a proud Egyptian muslim nation without Arab culture influence..the same goes for Iran & Turkey...look at Berbers fight for identity in north Africa..A muslim yet proud group who fights Arabization & culture of Terror & hate. take my word...Don,t waste your time trying to change versus in Muhammad(pbuh) religion which in a way is a rough copy of Judism..Educate their national pride!!
Cheers!
koo goosh shenava
by MRX1 (not verified) on Mon Aug 25, 2008 05:53 PM PDTyou said it but who is listening? The entire GDP of Arab world is less than finland with a population of five millions if you exclude oil!!!! The amount of Books (if you can call the rubbish that is published books) in entire Arab world every year is less than spain. The list goes on and on and on. That's why today more than ever we miss people like Attaturk and great Reza Shah who tried so hard to bring enlightment to the socities who have fallen a sleep for thousend years now. There is no forward thinking if all you care for is some book called quran written 1400 years a go. Enough said now we can go back to hating jews, zionist and the suall suspects!!!
samsam1111 - thanks
by Mehdi Mazloom on Mon Aug 25, 2008 05:51 PM PDTYou are by far more direct then I am.
There is a very good reason why no one is allowed to criticize Mr. Muhammad for anything, anytime and anywhere. Nor there is willingness to engage into any meaningful conversation about this gentleman.
Imagine how Islam would advance sholder to sholder with Judea-Chrsitiany if open and honest discussions about the tenets of this religion. If level headed and educated Muslims would be allowed to clean up Quran to meet the chllanges of today, I guess, only 15% of that book would survive the scrutny of today'sstandardes of civil societies.
There you go again, as usual...
by Anonymous-Zadeh (not verified) on Mon Aug 25, 2008 05:46 PM PDTA lot of blabber not much substance! Can you write about world peace next time, perhaps Israel and Palestinians roll in achieving that. Please grow up!
What Arab glory are you talking about?
by samsam1111 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 06:16 PM PDTYou must be reading too much Arab apologist sites like BBC.& keep in mind that the term Arab in historiacl sense is only the primitive tribes who lived in Southern Arabia(Saudi today) , border towns with Babylon & Yemen.Today,s So called Arabs are the poor Egyptians,Phoenicians,Assyrians,Filistines,Carthagians ...who were a proud Semitic race of high achievers who got subjugated & Arabized by bedoin semitic Arabs who unlike them had nothing to offer but terror.You can add todays Iran aka V-ran to the above list as newly fully Arabized mavalis version of post 637AD.
Arab History & achievments 101:
From 10000BC to 612Ad :
Page Empty except the cries of girl children being buried alive,Roman & Persian Caravans ransacked.
From 612AD:
The whole culture was based on Ransack.Even Islam is in a way a ransacked version of christianity Big part of Christianity was copied with Added Arab flavor and a heresy was born, called Islam. The hungry bedoins gathered under the flag of this new religion helped with an army composed mostly of Slave catchers,gold diggers,Rapists,Pedophiles & thieves accompaning a minority believers on a historic rampage on to the urbanite,semi Burgoa societies of Iran & Roman near east. the rest is history. The so called Arab/Muslim Scientific glory is in fact %90 the slave scientists of Arabized old Irani & %10 the Phoenician. Arab portion of this achievment is the same as 10000BC = 0,nil,nada,nichts,la shai,rien,Hichi ...Got it?
Cheers!