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14-Jul-2008
What If someone (anyone) calling himself a “prophet”, claims to answer only to a higher being. He then forces himself into your city, and in your home. Holds swords to your throat, and demands of you & your family to abandon your own religious belief, and cultural practiced for more then 2000 years. Forget your own language, spoken for centuries. Discard yours and your family's own names and identities, and replace them with what he dictates you to name, and believe in his newly concocted religion, and speak only his language.
Is that a form of (spiritual and emotional) occupation. You bet it is - Even 1400 years later.
Take the religion of Islam (and to some degree few other religions) for example. Records show that, during its conquest of the entire Middle East, Gulf region, and part of today's Europe, during the 7th to 11th century. Using their sword, these Bedouins Islamic armies who came from the deserts of Arabia, they destroyed local cultural, existing ancient religions, people's self identities, and in many countries, their respective languages. After which, all were wiped out, and replaced with religion of Islam, and Arabic language,
In view of these facts. shouldn't those countries with pre-Islamic glorious past, such as, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Libya, Kuwait, UAE, etc. be also considered as“occupied land” by fundamentalist Islam? for which, neither their respective inhabitants asked, nor wanted a religion which was forced upon them through mayhem and violence some 1300 years ago and continues to date.
The same story, more or less had occurred throughout Europe, more then 2000 years ago, with the birth and propagation of Christianity.
Let's consider those terror attacks, and indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians in Madrid, London, Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, New York, Beirut, Baghdad, and elsewhere. perpetrated by Islamist thugs. People in these cities are fearful for their lives, and safety of their families.
Now the question begs. Are Spain, GB, Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, and U.S are under occupation (of fear), by Islamists?. You bet they are.
Lets look further at those Islamic countries (Iran, Sudan, parts of Iraq, Sumalia, and elsewhere), where those backward and brutal Sharia Laws are enforced. People are deprived of their inalienable right for freedom of expression. Women are treated as second citizens with little or no legal protection for their fundamental rights as humans. Forced to hide their own natural human form, under heavy and ugly Burkha (Chador). Are these people hearts and mind are occupied with FEAR?. You bet there are.
One might ask himself. Shouldn't fear, intimidations and oppression be also considered another form of “occupation” of one's heart and mind. You bet it is.
LAND OWNERSHIP:
Now, lets look at modern history of civilization. During past 400 years, more then 70% of the land mass on earth, is neither owned, nor occupied by its original occupants. Australia, the entire North, Central, and South American continents. Part of Europe, Abu Musa Island in the Gulf, Etc.
Aren't Australians, Canadians, Americans, Polish, Argentinians, Iranians, and host of other people should be labeled as “occupiers”?. You decide.
Lets focus on the concept of ending the “Occupation”, and restore someone's right to return to his / her land”. As ballyhoo by the Palestinian leadership, and their Islamist Hamas supporters.
Arab & Islamists keep remind us that, during the 1948 Israeli-Arab war, there were hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, whom were forced out of their land and villages, by what they claim “Jews from Europe”, whom were uninvited and undesired by the local Arabs. Then created their “Zionist” State of Israel on Muslim land. Now (as they profess) it is their “holy duty” to demand their Right of Return, conveniently excused as an Islamic obligation - Return to those now non-existent homes and farms.
As late as 1950's there were more then 1.2M Jews living throughout the Arab-Islamic states. By the mid 60's, more then 1.1M of them were forced out of their homes and land. Their properties were confiscated by the local Arab refigures, or looted by their neighbors. As result, most of them were absorbed into Israel. Shouldn't these Jews be called refugees as well?. Why not?
RIGHT OF RETURN:
Every year, millions of same well meaning Muslims (as the Palestinians), also flee their homes and land throughout the Arab & Islamic states. Forced to escape either, unbearable poverty under their corrupt, brutal and oppressive regimes. Or ethnic cleansing of one Islamic faction by another one. Most of these refugees then, force themselves onto the European, Canadian, Australian, U.S. and host of other democratic countries, uninvited, and undesired. Nonetheless they are absorbed at great social and economical cost to these host countries. If we use Muslims own definition of “occupation”, shouldn't these good Muslims living in France, Germany, Holland, Denmark & Sweden, be also labeled as “occupiers” ?. This is a plausible argument, isn't it ?.
The interesting point is. After they had settled in, we never hear, nor see these good Muslims, swear Jihad against their Arab & Muslim leaders or groups whom had forced them out of their homes in the first place. Nor do we see them sending their teen aged boys and girls strapped with explosives to blow themselves in the streets of Tripoli, Beirut, Damascus, Cairo, Tehran, Mogadishu, or Khartoum?. Demanding the “Right of Return” to their homes and land. In fact they do everything NOT return to their Arab or Islamic countries where they were born and grew up.
Now lets focus of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which has been lingering since 1948. Particularly highlight the Arab-Islamist ballyhoo cry of “Resistance to Occupation”.
HYPOCRISY:
Here is one classic example of Muslim hypocrisy and demagoguery.
Hizbollah, the Lebanese based terrorist group. It proclaims itself as champion to liberate the their country of Lebanon from a non-existent Israeli occupation. YET, for over 29 years, Syria was occupying, oppressing or otherwise sucking the lives out of Hizbollah's own state. Not only this pathetic group along with it demagogue Nassrallah, had never resisted, or even objected the Syrian occupation. It aided the occupier with its brutal strangulation of this little former jewel of the ME.
How much time and resources do Hamas, Hizbollah, and other Muslim clerics invest to maintain the occupation of virulent hatred of Jews and Christians, instilled in the hearts and mind of millions of young generation. Taught in more then 300,000 Islamic religious schools, to produce Al Qaida, and a like. These forms of occupations are by far, more poignant, insidious, and important then a piece of few square miles (or km) of land.
Elsewhere around the world. For past 70 years, over 130 Million people, from all races, and religions, they have lost their land, their homes. Some had lost more then possessions. They lost their lives. All because of wars. In 1940 over 1.1 Million Jews were living throughout the Arab-Islamic states. Right after the creation of Israel, 99% of these Jews were also pushed out of their homes and land, and made refugees by those Islamic government.
Since then, each and every group, with help from the world communities, has managed to pick up the pieces and quietly, either settled elsewhere, or accepted the new realities and moved on. EXCEPT the Palestinians. Where, 60 years later, they are still confined in refugee camps throughout the Arab & Islamic world, by the same people who profess to be fighting for their rights,
Again, one might ask. Why is it ?
SUMMERY:
Israel's enemies keep whining that, “Palestinians have been waiting for 60 years to return to their homes and land, etc.”. What about the right of those Jews, whom had waited for more then 1860 years to return to their land, where they had originated from. A place from which their ancestors were forced out. Not once, but twice. (546 BC & 79 AC). A land where Jews have never given up hope of someday to return to.
Does the destruction of a democratic and sovereign state (of Israel) is the ONLY viable option remain to Israel's enemies, in order to find a just and fair solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Or, is there another insidious hidden agenda from fundamentals Muslims, for which it has little to do with land, and more with occupation of religion intolerance. You bet there is.
The REAL occupiers, are the fiery words of despotic Islamic clerics themselves, who deprive the innocent Muslim populous of their basic human rights. The freedom to express their true feelings and opinions in public. Freedom of assembly, freedom to dissent to authorities actions and policies, without fear of losing their lives. This is the REAL occupation.
Next time when Iranian Mullahs, Hamas and other fundamentalist Muslims cry out loud about “liberation from Israeli occupation”. Or “Palestinians Right Of return”. One should ask them. How much effort themselves make to liberate their own people - women in particular, from the occupation of their own oppressive regime dictated by rigid Islamic Sharia Laws.
Finally Just look at these astonishing figures below, see the magnitude, and real meanings of the word “occupation”.
STATE.................................. SIZE (sq. km)........PERCENTAGE
Bahrain.................................................665...............0.01%
Egypt...........................................1,001,450...............8.42%
Iran..............................................1,648,000.............13.85%
Iraq.................................................437,072...............3.67%.
Jordan...............................................92,300...............0.78%
Kuwait..............................................17,820...............0.15%
Lebanon...........................................10,400...............0.09%
Libya...........................................1,759,540..............14.79%
Oman..............................................212,460...............1.79%
Qatar.................................................11,437................0.10%.
Turkey............................................780,580.................6.56%
Saudi Arabia...............................1,960,582...............16.48%
Somalia.........................................637,657..................5.36%
Sudan..........................................2,505,810................21.06%
Syria..............................................185,180..................1.56%
UAE................................................83,600...................0.70%
WB & Gaza (Palestine)....................6,220...................0.05%
Yemen...........................................527,970...................4.44%
Subtotal:.................................11,878,078.................99.83%
Israel.............................................20,770.....................0.17%
TOTAL...................................11,898,848.................100.00%
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Mazloom Joon
by AnonymousHaha on Tue Jul 15, 2008 05:39 PM PDTThank you for exposing these IslamoNazi retards. Its OK for them to have a country called the Islamic Republic of Iran where only the Velayateh Fagih shia Nazi thugs enjoy the power and abuse and murder 70 million Iranians on a daily basis. However, once you have a "Jewish" state of Israel, the scream Nejad Parasti.
Hypocracy - How do you spell it.?
by Mehdi Mazloom on Tue Jul 15, 2008 05:14 PM PDTjelaho writes:
Many Jews have gone to Israel to make it their home, even the
first Zionists who went there were according to Herzl's original
colonial plan were the poor "society of Jew" who were supposed to go
there and prepare the land for "higher grade Jews- the Jewsih company".
Interesting, million of Jews who endured 1900 years of persecution, have no right to go return to the land of their ancestors which they have never gave up.
But when more then million Iranians (perhaps one of them is yourself) whom also had escaped persecution and hardship by the hand of this Iranian regime, and moved into the "stolen land" in Beverly Hills CA, or Toronto Canada, as well in other countries in EU, you don't seem to have problem with them stying put where they are.
In other words, when you do it to the poor native american here in US, that is fine and dandy. But when others do it eleswhere, oh you swim in your convoluted hypocritical pool of justice and fairness.
So why do you single out only the Jews. And why are you trying to be more Palestiian then the Pals themseles.?
The Desired affect
by Mehdi Mazloom on Tue Jul 15, 2008 04:56 PM PDTYeah, this is exactly the type of image - the "victim", the "persecuted", which the Pals wish you to see. I bet if you dig a bit deeper to find out what lies behind these heart wrenching pictures, you will see that, when these poor Palestinian children are brain washed into committing suicide bombing to kill as many Israeli children of their own age. Then not only the Israelis, but anyone in their position would do everything to stop that barbaric acts.
How many of those poor kids whom either had changed their mind in the last minuets, or their explosive belt failed, later told to Israeli interrogators that, they were promised 72 virgins in heaven, or their families will be taken care of.
Liberating land is the last thing they are told before they are sent out to murder others.
Mehdi Mazloom: Please watch
by asdf (not verified) on Tue Jul 15, 2008 04:30 PM PDTMehdi Mazloom: Please watch anonym8's video and tell me if this is moral?
Occupation? This is what it means.
by Anonymous8 (not verified) on Tue Jul 15, 2008 03:06 PM PDTto question
by Jaleho on Tue Jul 15, 2008 03:03 PM PDTyou wrote:
"Al-Quesa and Jaleho: Do you believe in
Hamas's mission statement?? Do you think Israeli's should leave Israel
and go live in Europe or Alaska, or under the sea?"
First, the most important question here is "where should Palestinians live", and the answer to that is "of course in their own homes."
The less significant question that you raise, which is where should Isaelis live, and it is less important becasue they already DO live in a home which is the ones they have stolen from Palestinians, and thus your question is not as urgent as the first one. That is Israelis are not homeless yet!
But, assuming that you're so worried about what happens to Jews if Palestinians were to return to their homes. Muslim and Christian Palestinians have lived for centuries in Palestine together and if the Zionists abandon their racist scheme of "Jewish-only-state", they still could live together in Palestine.
Do I believe that Jews should be kicked out of Israel? No, I don't believe two wrongs would make a right. Many Jews have gone to Israel to make it their home, even the first Zionists who went there were according to Herzl's original colonial plan were the poor "society of Jew" who were supposed to go there and prepare the land for "higher grade Jews- the Jewsih company". The Jews who have gone to Israel to make it their home (as opposed to dispossess the non-Jews) have every right to live in peace with other Palestinians, including the original jews who have lived there for centuries. The country should be one in which every person, Jew, Christian or Muslim has exactly one vote of equal importance.
As for some of those "higher grade Jews", like New York Jews who have made the cheap beach front homes in Palestine at the expense of Palestinians, they can go to hell for all I am concerned. Since you prefer the propaganda terminology of Christian Zionists who use "pushed to the sea" for Israeli thieves, you are free to substitute the word hell with under sea for this particular category if you please.
As for my agreeing with Hamas' statements, I consider Hamas to be the only legitimately elected representative of Palestinians. They are entitled to say whatever they want on behalf of Palestinians.
If you are referring to the disappearance of state of Israel, I do believe that the Zionist regime of Israel is bound to death, and hopefully relatively soon, by the mandate of history. As I have stated many times here, I believe that most of the colonial and apartheid schemes died by the end of 20th century. Israel would be no exception, except that the biggest military and economic power in the world has been extending the life of Israel ARTIFICIALLY. That is so since US is using Israel as a local base to steal the resources of ME easier. Soon, US HAS TO stop supporting Israel or it will go down the drain economically together with Israel. That's why there is an emergence of a new foreign policy thinking in the US, as reflected in Walt-Mearsheimer book, or Carter's book, which reveals the future path of US : dumping Israel. Israel is now a great liability to US rather than a good base in ME post disintegration of the Soviet Union.
Hope this helps.
Mehdi
by Kurdish Warrior (not verified) on Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:49 AM PDTIsrael, only by taking more responsibility is not enough to the path of peace between the two nations. The Palestinians need to get their act together and take responsibility as well. To be realistic we have two Palestinian major groups who one wants to establish Sharia society and the other whom is recognized as western puppet. They all think about their own interest rather than Palestinian people. So how are we expected to deal with such groups whom can't even sit together in one room. It's time for Palestinians to stop blaming others and start making adjustments within themselves if they seek to establish country.
Mehdi: I couldn't agree
by asdf (not verified) on Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:39 AM PDTMehdi: I couldn't agree more. The problem is more about *economics* than relgion or even land grab. I hope Israeli are smart enough to realize that for their own sake.
In fact, the precise meaning (not the propagandist defintion) of *Chosen people* is exactly what you metnion; Responsibility; as Isralities, they have a responsibility toward all humanity to enlighten and set an example. That is what Torah teaches; at least that is my understanding.
RE: Dear Palestinians:
by Mehdi on Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 AM PDTI think Israel should start tking ownership of the area. Israel should stop trying to build walls (like they did in Germany) and isolating itself from its neighbors. I know it seems useless but I think if we look closely, Israel has not been willing to take responsibility for its neighborhood. They have inherited the area now, whether they like it or not. They are the ones responsible now. No one else has nearly as much control as they do. So they need to wake up and realize their responsibility. It is possible that most of them thought they would gobble up some free or cheap land by setting up Israel but in reality they have made themselves the responsible party for the whole region by doing so. Until they realize their role in the region and quit coming up with excuses, they will have no peace. You cannot be a millionaire living in the ghetto and not be bothered with neighbors - sorry, can't work - no matter how many F-16s you buy.
Dear Palestinians:
by question (not verified) on Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:56 AM PDTThe question is what should Palestinian and Israeli do now.
Al-Quesa and Jaleho: Do you believe in Hamas's mission statement?? Do you think Israeli's should leave Israel and go live in Europe or Alaska, or under the sea?
checked your source
by Mehdi Mazloom on Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:45 AM PDTHere is a quote from your post where you pasted a link to the "independent" newspaper
85% of Israel's so called jews are Ashkenazi from Khazaria. Palastine is not the home of Ashkenazi
jews and have no right to be in Palestine.
//www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...
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I did go to that site and read most of it. Here is an excerpt from that article. Here what I found::
A total of 3.5 million Ashkenazi Jews are descended from just four
"founding mothers" who lived in Europe at least 1,000 years ago,
according to a study by Israeli geneticists.
The four women were part of a small group which founded the Ashkenazi
community, established in Europe after migration from the Middle East,
and was ultimately descended from Jews who migrated to Italy in the
first and second centuries AD.
This is a known fact that in 70 AD, Jews were expelled from ancient state of Israel, by Rome, which resulted with the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. So this article does corroborate the Jews ancestral connection to the region of Palestine.
I want you to tell me where did you get the 85% figure?
In lieu of this fact (all one needs is to check your sources to verify your claim). Do you still want me to go through each and every one of your links to prove you how wrong you are in regards to Jews rightful place in Israel.
Sadaia_qesa
by Mehdi Mazloom on Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:24 AM PDTYou brought one of Israel's own intellectual writing to bolster your argument of Jews legitimate place in Israel.
His name is Shlomo Sand, and works is "Professor of History" at Tel Aviv university.
1. This is only his opinion. Israel is a democracy where anyone is entitled to his / her opinion. He is entitled to express them as he sees fit. (have you read the DeVici Code by david Brown about Christianity?) . No one will accuse him for blasfamy.
2. If you would read his academic background (Cinama), he hardy has much authority or respectable credibility to write about Jewish histroy.
Shlomo Sand:
SHORT CURRICULUM VITAE
Position: Professor of History, Tel Aviv University
Address: Department of History, Tel Aviv University , Ramat-Aviv 69978 , ISRAEL
Tel. (Office): (972) 3-6407087
Fax (Office): (972) 3-6409457
E-mail: shlomosa@post.tau.ac.il MAIN AREA OF TEACHING:Cinema and History, French Intellectual History, Nation and Nationalism.
Education
1971-1975 B. A. studies in General History, Tel Aviv University .
1975-1977 M. A. studies in French History, 'Université de Paris VIII'.
1978-1982 Doctoral student at the 'École des Hautes Études en Sciences Sociales'.
Academic Experience1983-1985 Maître assistant associé - École des Hautes Études en Sciences Sociales, Paris.
1985-1986 Lecturer - Tel Aviv University .
1987-Feb. Enseignant invité - É. H. É. S. S., Paris.
1987-1989 Senior Lecturer - Tel Aviv University .
1989-Feb. Enseignant invité - É. H. É. S. S., Paris.
1989-1994 Tenure - Tel Aviv University .
1991-Feb.Mar. Enseignant invité - É. H. É. S. S., Paris.
1992-Feb. Enseignant invité - É. H. É. S. S., Paris.
1993-Feb. Enseignant invité - É. H. É. S. S., Paris.
1995-2001 Associate Professor - Tel Aviv University .
1996-Feb. Professeur invité - É. H. É. S. S., Paris.
1998-1999 Visiting Scholar - University of California , Berkeley.
2002- Present - Full Professor - Tel Aviv University .
2004-Feb. Professeur invité - É. H. É. S. S., Paris.
Mehdi Mazloom
by Kurdish Warrior (not verified) on Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:12 AM PDTInteresting arguments you used in your blog...
Jaleho I know
by Abarmard on Tue Jul 15, 2008 07:54 AM PDTThat's why I have no argument here. Sometimes people have made up their mind. Let everyone be. I just hope something that he preaches that he agrees with, won't happen to him. Then he might knock on doors of people like us, not himself!
Life is a circle, be careful what you wish for and agree with...
Sadaia_qesa, great set of
by Jaleho on Tue Jul 15, 2008 07:35 AM PDTFACTS for anyone interested in truth. But do you think that Mazloom would read a single one of them? No!!!!
My guess is that in two days he'll write a new blog or article saying " There are OTHER serial killers in the world, why are you guys focusing on MAZLOOM Israeli murderer and thieves?" And then Zion and Farhad Kashani will come and pat him in the back for the nice article written!!
Just look at the other blog he just wrote under this one, called "Let's assume". I had bothered to type the actual UN documents to show him how funny his make-believe history is, and the result?
Instead of debating those, he just went on to another blog repeating the same lies. So, If I see that Mazloom abuses this site to spread his Israeli propaganda, and if I see that besides Farhad Kashani, Zion and some of the Bahais who also use this site as their own official Bahai recruitment site, then I'll just cut and paste the FACTS to counter his spreading lies.
Mazloom does not recognize that with the advent of internet, the Jewish hold on the news is ended. Thus the unheard but real narrative of many people including Palestinians can get around the world despite all of the Jewsih media trying to distort it. Even the Americans who are brought up from childhood to learn (forcefully at time)the Israeli distorted "history" are fast learning the real history.
Mazloom is working in vain.
Tortured logic: occupation and Obfuscation.
by Sadaia_qesa on Tue Jul 15, 2008 04:55 AM PDTMany of us struggle with the concept, how any Israeli would choose to build his/here house literally on blood and bones of other human beings knowing the price was to murder other human beings and then ask “what does it
really mean”.
As long as your banker buddies have USA
paying for Israel’s continued war, you have nothing to wary about. Occupation, Obfuscation and False flag operation are order of the day in the Middle East.
But from looks of things, the US
is running out gas metaphorically speaking!
Islamic or Buddhist Middle East (or South) America does not give Israel or any one else the right to take what does not belong to them.
85% of Israel's so called jews are Ashkenazi from Khazaria. Palastine is not the home of Ashkenazi
jews and have no right to be in Palestine.
//www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html
//www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/35-million-ashkenazi-jews-traced-to-four-female-ancestors-522935.html
As Far as Ashkenazi Jews being Khazars, there are volumes of scholarly work that document this FACT. There are extensive Linguistic
(Turkic, or Ugric words that are traced to Khasarian origins) and various customs of modern Ashkenazi Jews can be traced to Khazaria.
Please look here for more information
//www.khazaria.com/
Lets see who is the Terrorist?
What Is Israels
Crime ?
war IS Israel's
raison d’être.
Chief rabbi thanks Bush for 'war against Iraq'
//www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517...
"The world recoils today at the thought of bacteriological warfare, but
Israel was
probably the first to actually use it in the Middle East.
In the 1948 war, Jewish forces would empty Arab villages of their populations,
often by threats, sometimes by just gunning down a half-dozen unarmed Arabs as
examples to the rest. To make sure the Arabs couldn't return to make a fresh
life for themselves in these villages, the Israelis put typhus and dysentery
bacteria into the water wells.", source:THE JEWS OF IRAQ by Naeim Giladi
//www.ameu.org/uploads/vol31_issue2_1998.pdf
Israel is
the first in Mideast to use depleted uranium in war with
Egypt. Israel
is using chemical weapons ...
//www.antiwar.com/orig/brooks.php?articleid=2...
//www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=483...
//www.indymedia.ie/article/77434&comment_limi...
//www.smh.com.au/news/World/Israel-using-chem...
Israel's War
Crimes against Palestinians i.e. "grave breaches" of the Fourth
Geneva Convention
Israel's Crimes
Against Humanity against Palestinians
unlawful killings, torture, extensive and wanton destruction of property,
obstruction of medical assistance and targeting of medical personnel.
willful killing of Palestinian civilians by the Israeli army and Israel's
illegal paramilitary ;settlers
Amnesty International has accused Israel of committing war crimes in the
occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.
I have presented historical and factual information and not opinion.
You can interpret them as you like i.e. minuscule wrong somewhere to blow
it up as horrendous newshc
But for those Palestinians (and Iraqis) who have suffered and murdered nothing
is minuscule c and the fact remains Israel
supports WAR with Iraq.
and Iran..
Let us review historical FACTS and events... FACTS are FACTS ...
The following list of massacres is by no means exclusive, but they reflect
the nature of the Zionist occupation of Palestine and Lebanon and show that
massacres and
expulsions were not aberrations that happen in any war, but organized
atrocities with only one aim, that is to have a Zionist state which is 'goyim
rein'.
((//www.soundofegypt.com/palestinian/adult/mass...))
The
King David Massacre
The
Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh
YEHIDA
MASSACRE
KHISAS
MASSACRE
QAZAZA
MASSACRE
The
Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The
Massacre at Dair Yasin
NASER
AL-DIN MASSACRE
THE
TANTURA MASSACRE
BEIT
DARAS MASSACRE
THE
DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA
MASSACRE
HOULA
MASSACRE
SHARAFAT
MASSACRE
Salha
Massacre
The
Massacre at Qibya
KAFR
QASEM MASSACRE
Khan
Yunis Massacre
The
Massacre in Gaza City
AL-SAMMOU'
MASSACRE
Aitharoun
Massacre
Kawnin
Massacre
Hanin
Massacre
Bint
Jbeil Massacre
Abbasieh
Massacre
Adloun
Massacre
Saida
Massacre
Fakhani
Massacre
Beirut
Massacre
Sabra
And Shatila Massacre
Jibsheet
Massacre
Sohmor
Massacre
Seer
Al Garbiah
Maaraka
Massacres
Zrariah
Massacre
Homeen
Al-Tahta Massacre
Jibaa
Massacre
Yohmor
Massacre
Tiri
massacre
Al-Naher
Al-Bared Massacre
Ain
Al-Hillwee Massacre
OYON
QARA MASSACRE
Siddiqine
Massacre
AL-AQSA
MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE
IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE
JABALIA MASSACRE
Aramta
Massacre
ERETZ
CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
Deir
Al-Zahrani Massacre
Nabatiyeh
(school bus) Massacre
Mnsuriah
Massacre
The
Sohmor Second Massacre
Nabatyaih
Massacre
Qana
Massacre
Trqumia
Massacr
Janta
Massacre
24 Of
June 1999 Massacres
Western
Bekaa villages Massacre:
A brief history of Israel
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If Americans Knew
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//www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8-rWE53EVA
Congratulations, Mehdi (aka "Moshe") Mazloom
by MisterAnonymous (not verified) on Tue Jul 15, 2008 03:23 AM PDTZion has certified your Likudnist rantings as "kosher"...Can we just make it official and change Iranian.com to Israeli.com?
Am Yisrael Chai! To Hell with the Goyish Filth :-)
Justifications speak loudly of crimes
by Mehdi on Tue Jul 15, 2008 01:09 AM PDTSo you reply to me is that because it has happened in other places, therefore Israel has the right to do it too? If as you say, Abu Musa was taken by force, then that justifies Israel's act? Occupation is occupation. When there is takeover (by force or treachery) leaving people unhappy, it is occupation - no matter where it happens. It seems that you admit that Israel is just an oocupying force.
And then you say, because there is an Islamic state therefore this justifies the same by Israel? Well, it is quite ironic that you have set up IRI as an example by Israel to follow. So you are saying Israel is following the IRI as a role model? Quite a revelation for me!
And what about backing of the US military? Would Israel survive a day without that support? Or would it be even able to claim the "homeland"?
Great Blog
by Zion on Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:55 PM PDTThanks Mehdi. You have explained the situation very well. Keep up the good work.
Mehdi Mazloom
by Abarmard on Mon Jul 14, 2008 09:18 PM PDTHope your idea works.
mr. Abramard.
by Mehdi Mazloom on Mon Jul 14, 2008 08:42 PM PDTI certainly understand you point. The thing is, Palestinians were not the only one who lost their homes and land as result of war. Like I wrote earlier, many others around the world also have lost their land (how many Iraqis have have experienced the same. All were pushed out of their homes by their own neighbor (shi'ite against Sunni and vise versa).
How many Jews still have their keys, and know exactly where their villas in Tehran, Kashan, Baghdad, Damascus. Just because Jews did what any rational human would do - pick up his remaining pieces and move somewhere else and start a new life.
The irony is, those pals who did not flea their homes, and stayed put back in 1948, they never lost their land and homes. They are the only Arabs & Muslims throughout the ME & Gulf who enjoy freedom of expression and democracy as full citizens of Israel.
The truth is, other poor pals are deliberately being kept in Refugee camps in Arab countries just to be played with as pawn by Arab & Muslim leaders.
The best solution is, to pay just and fair compensation to the pals in the Refugee camps, at the same time many Arab countries and other western states to allow then to become citizens in their countries, like Jordan did, and Syria has been doing for the Iraqis.
Peace between Israel and Fatah in WB, as seperate state. Gaza will be reunited with mother egypt as self autonomous teritory.
Mazloom, what have you been smoking?
by Malekeh_ on Mon Jul 14, 2008 08:26 PM PDTDid you smoke those pehens again? Didn't I tell you refrain from smoking pehen since it will damage your brain? I guess it is too late to help you. Now you are "mazloom pehen kaleh".
Good Day
mehdi - Jewish state means
by Mehdi Mazloom on Mon Jul 14, 2008 08:21 PM PDTExactly as Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and 54 other state are ca;lled "Islamic states".
Quote:
But what is the reason for dorcing such a separation by US provided
guns? Why not start a democratic state where anyone's religion is
respected but not allowed into government matters?
Please read my original post once again.
Mehdi
by Mehdi Mazloom on Mon Jul 14, 2008 08:07 PM PDT(at least we have one thing in common. Insha'allah I will have the wisdon to reply to your question.
You wrote:
OCCUPATION means taking the land in a way that the other side is
unhappy. This can be done by force or tricks. Has this possibly, God
forbid, happened there?
Do you mean, the Abu Musa Island in the Golf, which the Iranian regime stole from UAE. and claimed it as it territory
Or how about the entire state of Lebanon which Syria has been trying to steal it from the Lebanese people.
And what about Kuwait which Iraq claimed it as its 19th province. (had it not been for our US of A, it still would have been the raped doughter under Saddam).
A modest proposal: let's change Iranian.com to Israeli.com
by Bakhtiari (not verified) on Mon Jul 14, 2008 07:57 PM PDTI often visit Israeli websites, like Jerusalem Post, Haaretz, and Ynetnews. There you can find views identical to the recycled propaganda which "Mehdi Mazloom" and his alter ego "Amil Imani" regurgitate ad nauseam. Since Iranian.com appears to have been converted into a rubbish heap for second-hand Israeli propaganda, can we change the name of the website to Israeli.com?
Can someone please start an online petition to make this change happen? Shalom.
What a "Jewish State" means...
by AnIranianPerson (not verified) on Mon Jul 14, 2008 07:50 PM PDTJews are the Chosen People. The state of the Jews is the Chosen State. That's why Israel and New York City are the Chosen States.
Non-Jews are "Goyim". They are called "shaygetz" or "shiksa" in Yiddish, which means filth or vermin (you don't have to take my word for it: look it up yourselves). The states of the non-Jews are not Chosen. Any questions?
Well Mr. Mazloom
by Abarmard on Mon Jul 14, 2008 07:34 PM PDTMr. Mehdi Mazloom, the argument is long and tiresome for me. Try to convince the Palestinian who still knows the number of the house in the street that his parents and ancestors lived. Millions of them.
I really don't know how to explain this to some people. I gain no benefit from this, to me it is a humanistic issue. Either you see it or you don't regardless of your religious background since many Jewish individuals agree with me.
According to you, You expect the Palestinians forget their misery of the last 60 years while the Jews did not for 1860? Don't you find this a bit one sided?
Again, this has many fallecy in arguments and if you wish the answer is out there for you.
Lastly, "Hizbollah, the Lebanese based terrorist group" is debatable and you have to define terrorist first. I can bring you many historical situation to prove that they are not in another look.
I don't like it when people are not careful for their arguments and just want to throw punch lines and current news terminology to prove their points. These issues are beyond the current events.
Sorry it got long. I am out.
OCCUPATION means ...
by Mehdi on Mon Jul 14, 2008 06:56 PM PDTOCCUPATION means taking the land in a way that the other side is unhappy. This can be done by force or tricks. Has this possibly, God forbid, happened there?
A better question: what does "Jewish State" mean?
by Mehdi on Mon Jul 14, 2008 06:54 PM PDTIt is one thing to have people naturally stay close to those who they feel have more in common with. But what is the reason for dorcing such a separation by US provided guns? Why not start a democratic state where anyone's religion is respected but not allowed into government matters?