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Anyone who actually believes

that khomeini was the 13th imam is of the same fabric and mentality of the antinationalist IRI who have destroyed Iran for the past 30 years.

In fact what did the previous 12 imams do for Iran that we must label this guy the 13th?

Put IRAN first and religion....later.........perhaps last, if at all.

Un-friggin'-believable.

Dear Mrs. Rusta,

My answer to your question would be No. But my answer or perhaps the question itself in political terms would be very simplistic. The political environment of any country especially Iran is much more dynamic than to be able to answer it in a yes or no fashion. History if we dare ourselves to learn from it will show us in no uncertain terms that simple answers and painting everyone with a same brush has always been the roots of our problems. I'm not trying to rewrite history on Mousavi and to present him as “holier than thou” or someone who he is not. But I'm trying as an interested party in this political transaction which is taking place in Iran in front of our eyes today, to be pragmatic and to analyze the personalities based on their past deeds but more importantly on their current political context. 

The facts about Mousavi are: Yes, he has walked the walk with Khomeini the 13 Imam, he was Prime minister for 10 years and there were killings of political activists during that time, but that doesn’t mean that he has been judge and the executioner and no one that I talked to and the information that I've read indicate him as someone who actually ordered these massacres, we have to keep in mind IRI never been about one "person" or one homogeneas entity up until the recent consolidation of power by the ultra right. We need to be very careful and stay away handing out judgment based on “guilt by association” if we do that than everyone of us are guilty politically in one way or another.

On the other hand, Mousavi been a technocrat in this regime he is regarded by the people of Iran as a great “Manager” if you will, someone who managed Iran during the tough war years. Someone who was set aside after the death of Khomeini and ascension of Seyed Ali to the thrown. He's been in reality a pacifist for the last 20 years and been teaching and involved in cultural work along with his wife Zahra Rahnavard. I will compare Mousavi to USSR’s Gorbechov who was a hundred percent devoted communist and the product of Soviet system. But he was a pragmatist someone who realized that the soviet system is crumbling under its own weight. And believe it or not he was the one who opened the door for the ultimate demise of USSR. Will Mousavi (our Gorbechov) be able to go that far? I don’t know, only time will tell but what I know is that he already has opened up the can of worms on Islam’s Republic.

By the way, we (from political left to political right) in one way or another have believed the disintegration of IRI will happen from within and with people’s push, this is our chance!

نباید گول خورد

حالمان از این موسوی و دار و دسته الواطش به هم می‌خورد. اینها مثل مجاهدین و سلطنت طلب ها هستند، دروغ گو و دزد و نسناس مآب !

Dear Khar

If a bank robber, who has a well stablished record of robbing banks, is selected by the shareholders (and not by the customers) as the new CEO of the bank, would you trust that bank with your money? 

FR

Mrs. Rusta,

I do not blame Reza Pahlavi for sins of his father he will be judged by people based on his own merits. People on the streets are asking the “leaders” be it in government or in opposition (in side or outside Iran) “What have you done for me and Iran Lately”. Furthermore although what Reza’s father and Khomeini did or didn’t do is relevant to our people struggling for freedom and democracy in a historical sense but that is not the whole picture. Our problems today are not those dead people, and we should move beyond that and arrive at the realities of today’s Iran. We should learn from that and not to put all of our eggs in one basket and offer it to the first dictator who comes along. On the same token we need to stop painting everyone and everybody in Iran with a same brush, this very same dangerous school of thought transitioned us from Shah to Khomeini. Today We are confronting all too real and live forces which are bent on destroying any opposition even if it comes from within and even the elements who had helped establishing IRI, and this is very real and our people within the last 4 month have learned that and paid the price for it.

You have asked me what the trio did that was toward SECULAR democracy? At very least they are shattering the image of IRI, knowingly or unknowingly, on all basis from economy, political structure to human rights and even on the question of religion. Have you ever wonder why the biggest Ayatollahs are against this current IRI? Because they have seen the writing on the wall that this current regime once and for all is putting the last nails in Islam (Islamo-Fascism) coffin in Iran. Today, our people (in the first and only Islam's Republic in the world) are even less religious than People in Turkey a secular state and that is the fact no one can deny even the Islamists.  

Now, supporting of the trio (Mousavi, karoubi Khatami) in my view and millions of other Iranian people is conditional and is based on their action today and if one day they back down or go against the people will they will be put aside by the people and this is the basic essence of democracy. No, they are not Messiahs or prophets their legitimacy, prestige and relevancy is in the hand of Iranian people and their opinion, if we value people opinion. People of Iran and the new generation have learned from the past experiences and are not making the same mistakes again. The trio has not shown any signs of backing down so far and this is the best gift that they could have given to the people’s movement who’s awake and thirsty for freedom and democracy. This people Green Movement is much more pragmatic than we give it credit for!

PS. Mrs. Rusta, please feel free to refer to my name “Khar” in your replies, and have a nice day :o)

Who do you nominate Mr Benross?

You have identified a problem. What is your solution?  I'd be interested to hear you out 

FR

موسوی و دیگر

To those who think Mousavi is the Messiah!

 Just answer this simple question:

What have Mousavi, Khatami and Karoubi DONE to prove that they are for SECULAR democracy?

Talk is cheap.

Your double standards are best demonstrated when you are prepared to turn a blind eye on all the corruption and  violation of human rights that this trio, were involved in or had presided over and in the least kept a sheepish silence about them, but you are still holding Reza Pahlavi accountable for the wrong doings of his father - when he was not even legally chargeable, physically responsible or morally accountable.

This is why all your arguments collapse so miserably.  

FR

Mr. Ghanbari,

I am with you 100%.  Future Iran must be cleansed from any Mollah and Mollah Lover. Future Iran needs to be run by Iranians who love IRAN & IRANIANS, who love Iranian culture.

Payandeh IRAN & IRANIANS 

یک روز یه مرد ریشو

یک روز یه مرد ریشو

تسبیح به دست و اخمو

گفت به احمدی‌نژاد

ای به گور اون باباد

...

ما بذاریم روی سر

این آ قا و این رهبر

بیأییم همه حالا

بگوییم حلوا حلوا

جنبش سبز یک جنبش جوش مردمی برخسته از تقابل دو جناح حاکمیت میباشدو متعلق به اصلاح طلبان نیست ما نقش و عمل کردهای سران اصلاح طلب را در کشتارهای دهه ۶۰ فراموش نکردهایم و به عقیده  ما هیچ یک از رهبرن اصلاح  طلب صلاحیت این را ندارند که  رهبری جنبش مردم ایران در راه استقلال، آزادی و دموکراسی را به عهده داشته باشند.

Mr. Ghanbari

The 13th Imam is dead and he has been dead over 10 years now. What we are confronting today in Iran is Sepah, Seyed Ali and Mahmud AN and not a dead man, these 3 elements are very much alive and killing and imprisoning our people, a far worse evil.

As far as Mousavi having a past, its true, we all have pasts but the important thing is where we are today. I can tell you with outmost certainty that the people who make Mousavi’s past a factor on how to judge him today would have done much worse if they were in power in Iran those days even today, from far left to far right. People grow and change even Mousavi. It seems to me the only people who are exception to this natural rule are the most of the "opposition groups" outside Iran.

One of our problems abroad is that we paint everyone in Iran with a same color to suit our political needs. Mousavi is highly regarded by the people of Iran especially because of his past and the way he managed Iran during the war. As you know IRI is not one person or one entity during the last 30 years there were many other personalities who committed far worst to Iran and Iranians.

Today Mousavi, Karubi and Khatami are the only personalities in Iran who can bring out millions of people on to the streets if you and I like it or not. They are confronting this monster and so far they have not backed down. So let's not blind ourselves to the real facts on the ground in Iran and make the past an divisive issue, than, we all be considered guilty. 

I Agree with you on this important fact that Mazhab should not mingle with politics and government and I believe Mousavi is not blind to the fact that religion is verge of extinction in Iran (the only Islamic Republic in the region and in the world)  Iranian new generation is no more religious than it's couterparts in the west, and if you have watched his interview that fact show it self more a more, many times he refers to Melli and Mellat and Iranian heritage. They are seeing the writing on the wall.

Freedom and Democracy for Iran!