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Israel: Starving Gaza for Christmas t:-(

[.....You know it’s getting bad in Gaza when Mr Murdoch’s London Times announces Gaza families eat grass as Israel locks border.

The Times is one of News Corps many media assets around the world whose constant pro-Israeli bias helped create the context for the tragedy now unfolding in Palestine.

Today we learn the cruelty is working well. There’s mass starvation on Europe’s edge, deliberately induced by the occupying power. Marie Colvin reports:.....]

//current.com/items/89634337/israel_starving_...

BTW, its a "Happy Hanukkah" for Israel. The government there will stuff their bellies while these children and sick elderly people starve. What a shame.

-YT

The oppressed becomes the oppressor

So Ironic:

[....UN human rights official and envoy deported from Israel .......]

[...Richard Falk, a Jewish law professor at New York University, is the UN special rapporteur for human rights in the Palestinian territories. He had also personally infuriated Israelis when he compared Israeli actions in the Palestinian territories with those of the Nazis during World War II.

I guess he thinks if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...then, it sure the heck IS a flucking duck!!.......

//current.com/items/89630680/un_human_rights_...

//www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/inde...

Respectfully
-YT

Beautiful.......

BEAUTIFUL poem, Thats all I have to say............

I love poems that talk about "home"

I have another poem by Darwish here called "I Belong There"

"I belong there. I have many memories.
I was born as everyone is born.
I have a mother, a house with many windows, brothers, friends, and a prison cell
with a chilly window!
I have a wave snatched by seagulls, a panorama of my own.
I have a saturated meadow.
In the deep horizon of my word, I have a moon,
a bird's sustenance, and an immortal olive tree.
I have lived on the land long before swords turned man into prey.
I belong there.
When heaven mourns for her mother, I return heaven to her mother.
And I cry so that a returning cloud might carry my tears.
To break the rules, I have learned all the words needed for a trial by blood.
I have learned and dismantled all the words in order to draw from them
a single word:
Home."

Bikari ham bad dardieh

I was going to answer to a couple of the questions below and then i thought why bother! you get it? great! you don't? be man che.

Dear Statistician you are right on the money

There are a few zionists on this site who are on a mission to defend Israel's atrocites at any price. To them it is criminal to be a muslim, arab, Middle Easter, human rights defender, Palestinian, and every other thing on the sun if its not good for Israel's ruling class. Israel's ruling class are defined by the ones who support the oppression of Palestinians and confiscation of their land. These few bloggers are the attack dogs for Israelies. But I can detect them right away no matter under how many different names they post their blogs.

Jaleho

You have a "Zionist friend"?  You are contributing to the demise of this world, and civilization as we know it.  Didn't you go to your glorious President Ahemadinejad's conference about a "world without Zionism"?  No?  You weren't one of the dignitaries alongside David Duke?    Well, if you had attended this important and earth shattering seminar, you would have known that you should not befriend these vile people.  Moreover, here's a direct quote from an Islamic Republic official discouraging Muslims, such as yourself, from becoming friends with Jews and Christians:

//www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8706061481

You see, according to him, Quran says that you, as a Muslim, should be "tough" on infidels and not become friends with Christians and Jews, and that Jews are Muslim's worst enemies.

I don't know....you may want to drop this "friend" as soon as possible...I don't want to be in your shoes when Imam Mehdi appears on Judgment Day....

This site is iranian.com and it is about...

Iran and Iranians and what Iranians and non-Iranians have to say about Iran, and it is also about anyth;ing whatsoever that Iranians have to say or photography about anything. Once I tried to explain to a friend of mine what it was about and I said what is special about it is it's not really "about" anything. He said "Well, if it's just about Iranian identity..."

Iranian identity is anything that Iranians identify with. If an Iranian identifies with a vacation in Greece and submits photos of it no one criticizes them. If an Iranian likes folk music and posts q Bob Dylan song on a blog no one complains. If an Iranian loves their dog and posts photos of it everyone says it's cute even if it's a Scottish terrier or a German shepherd. If an Iranian is in Mexico and posts about kindappers kidnapping a kidnapping expert, everyone laughs.

But if someone posts a poem by an Arab about Arabs suddenly for some people it is a crime...

This site isn't "about" anything except anything anyone has to say about Iran and anything any Iranian has to say about anything..

Simorgh e Alborz if you go

Simorgh e Alborz if you go to Arabian.com you'll see "many" who just like you don't like Iranians. So you may want to argue with them about these issues. You certainly have something in common.

It is just a shame that despite all the freedom that you have you are still stuck in the same old mentality and have learned nothing.

Why have you labled yourself so soon? First thing to say after you register is to say Arabs suck?! How "original"! Okay we will remember you this way.

Only an Iranian woman, a mother

can have so much courage.

Thank you for this beautiful poem. Thank you for your courage. 

نفهمی هیچ
شاخ و دم نمی
خواد

این ایل و تبار که خودشان
را "پارس" مینامند امروز  

 پا پتی و با  زیر شرواری بودن آون موقعی که
انگلیسها ایران را خرده خرده تقسیم کردند

با همن اندیشه و ترز ثفکر
میهن را به دسث بیگانگان دادند

استعمار
انگلستان و تجزیه بلوچستان
از ایران

 استعمار
انگلستان و توطئه ناکام تجزیه خوزستان

استعمار انگلستان و جدایی هرات از
ايران

نسل كشي انگلستان
و روسيه در ايران

با افتخاره  الکی دوتا
هندونه زیردست  خوش که تاريخ ما بلا تر از
...

THANK YOU

N.Z., I thought that you wanted to be an Arab

Now you want to be a Mullah? How about an Arab Mullah?

Be all you can be.  

But stop posting lame Pro Arab poetry in an Iranian site.  You are playing into hands of dastardly Mullahs but you are not smart or nasty enough to be a mullah yourself.  Just one of their pigeons. 

:-)

That was a good one!

Shoe throwing must have been in "existential context" too

Not to mention that before taking the higher road escape , this is how the definition of poem was started ! :

" Although the poem is clearly about the arab consciousness"

But I guess we should not discuss the politically correct terminologies that are so easily being thrown at us!

This whole Arab/Israel conflict is a fake production of few directors using real people on both sides (and the world) as its unfortunate players.

Anyway I am thankful for todays lesson in how to read a poem . I learned that this "I am an arab" poem which is  "clearly about arab consciousness" "have nothing to do with nationality" !

...poor Sohrab!

fair enough

but how does this universal human existential context and lofty philosophizing match with
'Following the theme of the recent shoe throwing incident'
that you used to introduce extra information bout your blog? I'ma bit confused about how the two relate.

Oh an before I go to sleep,

Oh an before I go to sleep, I want to make a declaration...I am a mullah. Juju Alborz is right. Damn, he saw right through me.

I can read P Neruda or M

I can read P Neruda or M Atwood and enjoy them without necessarily debating wether the issues they mention touch me on a person/national level or not.

The poem isn't literally meant to be about 8 or 9 or 10 children. The family image is used to make you understand the misery of the main character.

This poem is about helplessness, oppression and anger. These are human emotions that have nothing to do with nationality.

We can enjoy ahleh kaashaanam from sepehri wihtout being from kaashaan. Same thing here. You don't need to be arab to understand and feel the poem.

If anyone is so offended by the word arab, they can replace it with Shirazi, Esfehani, Persian or anything else they like. Likewise, they can follow up with an action plan for changing divorce laws in Iran, getting running water to the norther part of Sanandaj or any other NATIONAL issue that should concern Iranians.

Zion says that having many children

is not unique to Arabs:

"I did not say these where exclusive to Arabs. Actually they are usually
typical signs of backwardness, poverty and lack of education."

Come on Zion, you, just like Golda Meir, hate the fact that "Palestinians reproduce" and soon will outnumber Jews in Palestine! You just hate the fact that despite all of Israeli pathetic efforts in "inventing jews," and bringing people from all over the world to Israel by giving them land and homes that Israel has stolen from Palestinians......still you're gonna have the so-called "population bomb" where Palestinians will become the majority....despite all of Israeli attempt at ethnic cleansing ....you will lose that hard-fought-for artificial Jewish majority in Israel!

I remember when I once reminded a Zionist friend of mine that by inventing "Ethiopian Jews" they can not populate Israel with "Jews" for long, and they'd lose the majority soon anyway! See, even the millions of Russian Jews who went to the "promised land" are starting to like the economic situation in Russia better and you'd have a population reversal in that regard. My friend told me that I am mistaken becasue those great "Ethiopian jews" really have nothing better to do than f--k and pray, f--k and pray....all day and populate Israel with more jews :-)

I guess lots of kids are bad only if they're Arabs, ha?!

N. Z., I am tired of hearing about other people's problems

First of all, If Jews and Arabs are both descendant of Abraham, great for both of them.  Enjoy your relationship. Call each other cousins, hug, and kiss.  Love one and other.  But leave us Iranians alone.

Many of us don't have any interest in any other thing about Middle East except Iran and Iranian people.  And this site happens to be Iranian.com. , not Arabian.com.   So, you are either in the wrong forum or you are pandering to IR Mullahs.

As Iranians, we have our own monumental problems and we do not need to worry ourselves with other nations.

Secondly, IR Mullahs like to push the Arab-Israeli conflict to the front and center, because it is the best red herring available.

If you are a Mullah in the business of selling a strictly Arabic speaking God, you like to think that Islam and the Arab issues are more important than Iran. 

Also as a Mullah, you pick a never ending crisis like Arab-Israeli conflict with no known solution, and more importantly one that is outside of Iranians' control.  Then, you can forever fool the people by pointing the finger at the Zionist as the cause of all their problems.  The problems that the totalitarian regime of IR is solely responsible for creating. 

continuing the same old failed game

Dude if you are worried about being "hungry" shut down the child production
factory. There are others on earth who need the resources of this planet too! If you
had less children may be instead of just "bread" you could get them some rice and
meat too and some decent "books" made of paper to read

As for your Arab "roots" "entrenched before the birth of time
And before the opening of the eras Before the pines, and the olive trees And
before the grass grew."

I think you are mixing things up (wink) . There are three
definitions for Arab and based on the ROOT definition that you are discussing,
your ancestors must have came from Saudi Arabia. The other definitions are based
on language which is not a genetic root thing! and other was political
one that Nasser of Egypt made popular which failed later..

By the way sounds like you had nice family but most people's names have
no titles either , so don't worry about that!

and you are right. it is a terrible thing they did to
Palestinians (not all were Arabs by the way and not all Muslims either.  20% at the
time of creation of Israel were Christians not to mention others not rooted from Arabia . They did speak Arabic though!)

Now as far as that "Nor do I encroach. " thing you
wrote. . You see your ancestors who lived in Arabian Peninsula DID encroach to
Iran, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt, Africa, Turkey, Portugal and Spain
bordering France in Europe , China in Asia and Sudan in Africa. Dude! That is a lot of
land they encroached  !!!!! and in fact they even forced their language on
all the people who lived there who did NOT initially speak Arabic . Just read
Wikipedia :

In much of this area, the Arabs spread Islam and the Arabic language (the
language of the Qur'an) through conversion and cultural
assimilation. Many groups became known as "Arabs" through this process of Arabization rather than
through descent. Thus, over time, the term Arab came to carry a broader
meaning than the original ethnic term: cultural Arab vs. ethnic
Arab. Arab nationalism
declares that Arabs are united in a shared history, culture and language. A
related ideology, Pan-Arabism, calls for all
Arab lands to be united as one state. Arab nationalism has often
competed for existence with regional nationalism in the Middle East, such as
Lebanese and Egyptian. 

You see Muslim prophet Mohammad who did come from Arabian Peninsula was a smart man.
He instructed his followers to spread Islam and Quran in "Arabic:. he also said
anyone who speaks Arabic is an Arab! You see with that smart linguistic and not
genetic or root change of definition the Arabia definition from low propulation of
the rarely populated desert peninsula (still is) is now counted as much as 350,000,000!  

By the way I know you wrote that you " do not hate" but why do
I sense it when you say "The usurper's flesh will be my food Beware..Beware..Of
my hunger...And my anger !" ?

Buddy! You are not doing Palestinians (Arab or non-Arab!) any favor with such
emotionalism, by mixing up history and everything with even some historical
misreprestations.

Palestinians must have own country but the way you are
promoting it was already tried and failed by Nasser, Kaddafi, Assad, Saddam and
Arafat..........

Lot of injustice was done to Palestinians but if you want to
get too 'ANGRY" about "encroachment" and "eat flesh" instead of "bread,"
...think of how many people who will line up to do the same to you with Arab encroachments and cultural and language anihilations in the name of Islam.

Anyway my friedly suggestion is to cut through this  "I am
Arab "thing and deal with it realistically so that someday and hopefully soon, your independent land also improves like Dubai and Emirates . You see! They don't have "orchards" and it is really hot there and they decided to live in the present and you know well that the real rooted Arabs there haven't done much for Palestinians all these years , have they? (wink) 

Anyway , my Arabic speaking poet. Rise above saying what's
popular and help your readers develop their mind instead of their emotions...

Your  culturally and geogpahically encroached friend

(no you don't even have to think of 1200-1400 years ago, remember Iraq war and how your Arab buddies cheered for Saddam? not to mention the Arab cherishing Mullahs who rule my country. But I really want the best for all "Arab" and "Ajaim" human beings including Arabs , Palestinians, Asyrians (sorry I mean Syrians(), Lebanese, Egyptians, Moroccans, Libyans, Kurds, Jews, Christians, Musliams....hope you do too)

It is perhaps interesting

It is perhaps interesting to make a few final notes about this poem:

- a "jewish" perspective:

//southjerusalem.com/2008/08/mahmoud-darwish-zionist-poet/

- Being Iranian does not reduce me to ONLY think of pressing "Iranian priorities"! I for one am not one dimensional.

- Perhaps someone should remind some of our dullest contributors here that jews and arabs came from the same father!

sister zion I agree with you %100, Arabs are morally degenerate

sister zion, I understand you. Only you and I know how sweet it is when we perform a "mola khor" procedure on other people's properties such as someone else's land. 

I am a mola. And my identity card number is 70 million. I have 4 wives And the 5th is coming after a summer.

But I like to convert to Judaism and don't know what to choose. Should I become Orthodox jew or a Reform jew? Which one gives me more free land? If I want to move into a free apartment on the West Bank which branch is better?  Which one gets me more money? wellfare check money I mean. By the way I don't want to live among these degenerate arabs. They may want their land back.

Yes

I did not say these where exclusive to Arabs. Actually they are usually typical signs of backwardness, poverty and lack of education. Other things are signs of moral degeneracy. I said it applies to majority Arab mentality, I didn't say that is the only thing it applies to.

Human beings are human beings, Arab, Iranian, Kurds, etc....

your logic is not any different from a couple other zionists that we have on this website and comment under many names. Whenever the human rights of our neighbors are brought up, you and others like you jump in and repeat the same nonsense as follows:
1. But we are not Arab?
2. But we are not Palestinians!
3. But they hate us!
4. But fight IRI1
5. But we are not Iraqies
6. But, but, but

Cant't you be a little more orginial?

This Poem Reminds me of the Cure Song Killing an Arab

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DHPAdt3d00

I'm standing on the beach
With a gun in my hand
Staring at the sea
Staring at the sand
Staring down the barrel
At the Arab on the ground
See his open mouth
But I hear no sound

I'm alive
I'm dead
I'm the stranger
Killing an Arab

I can turn
And walk away
Or I can fire the gun
Staring at the sky
Staring at the sun
Whichever I choose
It amounts to the same
Absolutely nothing

I'm alive
I'm dead
I'm the stranger
Killing an Arab

I feel the silver jump
Down smooth in my hand
Staring at the sea
Staring at the sand
Staring down myself
Reflected in the eyes
Of the dead man on the beach
(Dead man on the beach)

I'm alive
I'm dead
I'm the stranger
Killing an Arab

Zion, you know perfectly well...

that during the great immigrations of Eastern European Jews to the United States around turn ofpast century, many of these families, including my close friends' parents, had around eight children. And I also have a Nigerian Christian friend with seven siblings, only three died of malaria (so what, it's the mentality right?) And there are those Catholics all over the world who don't use birth control to "go fourth and be fruitful."

You know perfectly well that mentality is the product of acculturation, demographic and education and that people who are closer to traditional and agricultural societies had/have many many children, even the Eastern European Jews less than a century ago.

Zion you know all this perfectly well.

I thought, This was Iranian.com

I thought, this was Iranian.com.   If you are looking for Arab.com, you should Google for it.   As though, all of our problems are solved and we still have so much time in our hands, we stick our nose in the Arab-Israeli affairs out of boredom.   We need to get a clue and stay the hell out of other people's business, as long as our own country is in dire strait. 

If anyone including the poster of this tear jerker poem has extra time available, he/she should let me know, because I can give you a list of pressing Iranian priorities to resolve:

1. Replace the theocratic totalitarian regime of Mullahs with a secular democratic one.

2. Reestablish our international relationship with decent countries, instead of being friends with every outcast regime plus all of the residual left-over governments of the old socialist totalitarianism.

3. Fix Iran's economy.

4. Mend Iran's miserable human rights records.

5. Reverse Iran's enviromental abuse trends and apply real measures to solve its air pollution problem.

 Finally, there are far safer alternative energy methods like, wind and Solar which will not result in Chernobyl style disaster in the hands of careless workers. 

Derakhshandeh, If you are

Derakhshandeh,

If you are interested in the poet, please do your research and dig up the poems. Unfortunately, I don't own an anthology of his work, although I will accept one for Christmas if any of you want to give me one. I'm not sure if all his work has been translated to english.

Also, my intention by posting this poem which I first heard a few years back was not to start a political debate. It just seemed appropriate given the angry journalist incident.

Fine?

Zion I asked for an Israeli poem, not blood pictures or any picture for that matter. Just a poem.

Fine

But you don't realize how literally true this is, especially among Palestinians, if they don't like you and manage to get their hands on you.
Warning-Graphic pictures:
//www.geocities.com/rachav/Lynched.html

Who Is Racist?

According to a UN report dated February 2007 the birth rate in the (so-called) Arab countries, including the Maghreb, had by that time declined from 4.9 to 3.8 children due to improved education and family planning.

//www.escwa.un.org/divisions/ecw_editor/Downl...

Actually it has been the United States under conservatiev presidents over the recent decades which stopped paying yearly United Nations dues because it supports birth control especially abortion.

With all due respect to Zion and the poetess..and others...