News Goffer

AW, On my wedding day my

AW,
On my wedding day my husband wore a kilt and there were pipers a blaring. I feel your pain. No wait my husband feels your pain. He thinks I'm bat sh#t crazy. I know you've never been insulting about Iranians. I've read your posts. There is a double standard for sure. I make fun of his golf playing, republican, calm, quiet family every day. For the record if he ever mutters a disparaging word about Iranians or my family I'll lop off his tokhms.
I know it's not right. It is what it is:)

skaterwife

I guess that's something I have to get used to... the extremely defensive Iranian....lol.  I'm part Irish and NO ONE ever takes it personally when we discuss or argue.  Nothing is taken as an insult and believe me... tempers flare!  BYW... I've NEVER been insulting to OR about Iranians which is considerably more than I can say about others regarding, well, others.

Thanks Ebi and AW, You know

Thanks Ebi and AW,
You know it's hard NOT to go for the throat when you're being insulted. We're Iranian for God's sake. Meegan bala cheshmemoon abroost behemoon bar meekhoreh:)

Zio-nazi...

Zio-nazi was FEATURED just a couple of days ago as the supertitle of a newsfeed.

It is disgraceful. It should not be allowed to happen. But it did. And not for the first time either.

It happened. If not you then who featured it?

Dear Skatermom

Javaabe ablahaan Khamooshist dear.

Az sooze.......een harfhaa ro mizanan.

its all good

cheers

skaterwife

yes, i too got hit with a litte pearl from one of the enlightened on iranian.com... ignorant american... which i thought was amusing considering the source.  :-)

Here's what I've been

Here's what I've been called:
Bigotmom
idiot
moron
baboon
left-wing commie pinko nut job
Not Iranian enough
Not American enough
politically exploitive (huh?)
An Iranian traitor
spoiled little rich girl whose daddy paid for her post grad (I wish!)
and the piece de resistance came last night when I was called irrelevant.
Thankfully these labels were given to me by only one person on this site. This person has a knack of pissing everybody off which is why these labels mean d#ck. As for all of the rest of my fellow hamvatanis I appreciate all of you. I especially appreciate those like Kaveh and Samsam that can provide differing views without making me feel like a "dumb ass".

Uniquely Islamist(TM)

 Islamists wedding photographers’ sense of “humor” is, well, uniquely Islamist.

difference between slander and "adjectives"

What "Fred" does from the safety of his fake-ass life of hatred is pure prosecutable slander. The "standards" that he uses to label people are laughable self-serving BS. Based on similar reasoning it would be justified to call him a warmonger, fascist and brownshirt vigilante theologically convinced of his own righteous pitchfork crusade to "expose" "enemies" throughout the land, McCarthy style.

However, unlike Fred, I stick to humerous and factual descriptions like Tehrangelesi Keyboardist Warriars for Freedom (TM). This describes Fred perfectly and it alludes to the absolute cowardice and hypocrisy of the said (fake) individual.

Loose change

Your admittedly quickly put together list has mixed apples and oranges with few kiwis as well. For instance: leftist, Islamist, extreme left winger (as opposed to extreme right winger), CASMII lobbyist are all legitimate identifiers.

 Most government use “Islamist” in referring to the adherents of the political ideology of Islamism, so goes with leftist and rightist. When the U.S. head of CASMII openly and unequivocally LOBBYIES for the Islamist regime, advocates its policies, whitewashes its crimes (as in there never was a brutal suppression of demonstrators) and invites people to go greet the Islamist installed president, it would be correct to call CASMII members lobbyists. When someone says he visits Iran twice a year, rewording it to the semi-annual Iran visitor should not raise anyone’s ire. 

True, the tone is less that cordial so is the situation and what the Islamist republic has confronted us with. Lastly, to put your mind at ease, you should visit any newspaper site or popular political blog an see what adjectives are the currency of the comments and at what large denominations something that makes Iranian.com’s look like loose change.

Dear Majid, Souri, Ebi, and Samsam

Thank you all for your kind participation in the discussion.  I think the topic remains open and any and all suggestions are welcome.

For all it's worth, I would like to reiterate my suggestion to JJ to consider banning comments which label other individuals.

JJ, please consider addressing this problem.  Labels and this new "lingo" are now showing up in the way some posters are super-titling news items, too.  This is ridiculous and unacceptable on any journalistic level.  Even though self-publishing and user contributions are welcome possibilities on this site, thank you, this should not mean mayhem.  I'm afraid the longer this goes on, the more it becomes entrenched in the site culture and it would be harder to remedy in the future.

lol..Believe it or not

I even can forget !! sorry dude. I actualy remembered right after the comment.Once , you explanied it to me or another guy..cheers!...

Samsam Jaan,of all poeple....

I didn't expect my buddy,my die heart fan,to not know about my famous "Kolompehs "?!

" You broke my heart Fredo" !

Fair enough!!

thx News Gopher..No sweat!! why did this go blue..uhmmm!!

Souri ..for VP in 2012..:)

Ebi jan colompeh chieh?

Majid! Very true pal!

Dear News Goffer, thank you

Your comment seems very logical to me. You are right, and I had forgotten this aspect of flagging the offensive comment.

Your scenario seems to me very well founded and I now take back what I had said as a personal view. Nevertheless, I may add here that this hypothesis came to my mind, because of the precedent incident that I've previously mentioned.
You might be right, but again (my own vision) even if someone had flagged that comment as offensive, JJ would not deleted it. As I believe I know JJ's vision and directive....But, again maybe I am wrong, and JJ approve the deletion of that comment, in which case I will get very surprised.

-آقا شما ایرانی هستید؟

-آقا شما ایرانی هستید؟

- بله دوست عزیز.

- سلطنت طلبید؟

- نه دوست من، به سلطنت عتقادی ندارم.

- خوب پس....از دار و دسته بختیاری.

-نه، متاسفانه اونوری هم نیستم.

-پس چی‌؟ مجاهدی؟

-نه جانم، اون‌ها رو که ولشون کن.

- اهان...فهمیدم ! توده آی، فدأی خلق ، مارکسیست لنینیستی چیزی هستی‌!!

- نه عزیزم چپ که دیگه مرد!

- پس حتما هوادار بهایی‌ها و جهود‌ها هستی‌ !

- ببین دوست من ، من وقت برای این چیز‌ها ندارم.

- پس مرتیکه چرا بیخودی میگی‌ من ایرانیم! 

Dear Samsam

Dear News Goffer

Ebi gives you a kolompeh,but:

Tu dahan har kasi ke harf bad bezaneh felfel mirizeh!

Great Post

Here is what I've been called:

Zio-Nazi: I'm not, but I do enjoy watching reruns of Hogan's Heroes.

An Agent of AIPAC: I'm neither an agent of AIPAC or a fan of Tupac, but in my refrigerator, I have a Heineken six pack.

Hypocrite Expatriate Iranian: Should read: HIP Expatriate Iranian

A Member of The $75 Million Dollar Club: I am still waiting on my check.

Pro Israeli: I'm not even an Amateur Israeli. But I do have a Jewish doctor, a Jewish lawywer and a Jewish CPA (well, he looks Jewish...but then again I got a great refund on my taxes last year)

Wanna-Be Eye-Ranian Equivalent Living in the West: What would be the equivalent? A You-Rainian?

There's more that I've been called, but kids might see this.

Souri Jan!

Mercie nazanin!! atleast something is better than nothing.. to be fair..I don,t even care if she had it deleted..my beef was that If there is a new policy on how to call the regime.. The only reason I did comment here was because News Gopher took a few of my tags outa context and presented it as personal name calling..which in essence was absolutly not..those were the name tags I gave to IRI and not Another person . Pan Ommatist : Isn,t this regime,s agenda to unite the Ommah across middle east? how can it be an insult!..Khallifate? Isn,t Valieh Faghih for all purposes a Khallifate? How can it be an insult!...

bazam merci Souri goleh bolbol....

dear Samsam

I had read your comment and Mammad's reply. Now that you said that comment has been deleted from Soraya's article, I went back to check. Actually, yes, you are right. I didn't see that comment. My take is :

You won't get any answer about that, here in this blog. Better you send an email to JJ, at jj@iranian.com and ask him about the case.

I don't believe (personal view) any moderator would delete such a comment which has been indeed, politely and wisely replied. And if they do it, they would remove the comment from the article, immediately after it is posted. The length of the time which it took for that post to be deleted, make me think that (with all due respect to Mrs Sepahpour) she is herself one of the moderator, and that's she, herself who deleted your post, after a while of reflection.

Of course this is my own vision. I would suggest (if I could) that the moderator shall not have power on their own contribution.

We have seen this happening, a while ago, and that became really a disaster for the site, with all those revelation and accusation, it was horrible.

Anyway, hope someone will give you an answer, but I doubt it , because this is an unrelated subject to this blog. Out of rules !

To News Gopher and Editors whom I just found out

Deleted my comments about IRI in a civil dialogue with Mammad  on Soraya,s article. Are you telling me that me writing this on that comment is name calling..

quote"" Dear mammad ..nationalist? how can You call some one who supports a Pan-Ommatist, Khallifate of Qadesiyeh which has crushed any trace of Iranic identity for last 30 years a nationalist? Mammad As I see you are a Protege of Dr Ali shariati and He above anything else was an honest man( mind you He is far from my idea of a patriot)..So please be honest and retract Your claime about Ms Soraya.. Thank You & kind Regards!!""

Mammad answered in a polite civil way that He can,t verify for sure and gave me a logical responce and I was satisfied with his reply..

Now my question to You all is  ..What part of my comment was impolite? Did You delete my comment because I called the IRI a Pan-Ommatist Khallifate? which is a fact and I invite you to prove it other wise...ARE WE FROM NOW ON SUPPOSED TO CALL IRI in a way that doesn,t offend them? So If We call IRI a  Dictatorship.khallifate, Pan-Ommatist , should we expect to get our comment deleted? Is this the new policy?

Regards! & I need an answer please !

Left Lap Poodle

You are very funny!  I have seen your posted comments in other places and they have always been a breath of fresh air (exhaled through a chuckle)!  Thank you for providing my cheat-sheet for future use!  Humor is the only remaining way to look at things as they stand, it seems, because to take those guys seriously is just too demoralizing.

Souri Khanoom, what blog?!  Can Left Lap Poodle post blogs?  I thought unregistered users couldn't!  I hope LLP registers and blogs for us, we could use the refreshing sense of humor.  Thanks for your comments Souri!

left lap poodle

I love your humour. Was very funny. BTW, why did you delete you blog this morning. I'd just wrote a long comment on it (worked about 10mn) then couldn't post it...page not found !:P)

Here are the meanings

IRI Apologist = Anyone who is not anti-IRI "to the bone"

IRI Apologist Socialists = A Socialist who is not anti-IRI "to the bone"

Zio-Nazi = Neocons

Zio-Nazi’s and their lackeys = Zionists and their lazy (to think) supporters

Pan-Ommatist = Omar Sharif fan club

Pan-Arabist = Arab nationalist

Khallifate of Qadesiyeh = Imam Hussein

A Mr Shariati protégé = JJ

A Leftist = left handed

Extreme Left Winger = Ralph Nader

An agent of AIPAC = An AIPAC sympathizer

An Islamist = A terrorist

A CASMII Lobbyist = An IRI apologist

Secret IRI agents = IRI apologists

A bunch of pro-Israelis = Zionists

Islamist Fundies = Chocolate sundae

Hypocrite expatriate Iranians = old Iranians

Tehrangelesi keyboardist warriors for freedom (TM) = Bored Iranian living in LA

Wanna-be Iranian equivilant living in the West = Those who think they should loudly claim they "are not Arab"

Tehrangelesi human rights "fighter" = Parviz Sayad

Nazi sympathizers = dead people

The semi-annual Iran visitor = A guest

Staunch supporter of AIPAC, recruited by the CIA as part of their Psy-Op activities = Someone who is looking for a CIA job

A defender of Islam and a backer of the Islamic regime of Iran = Ahmadinejad

The regular "reformed" backers of the Islamic regime = Khatami

JJ

Thanks so very much for putting in an appearance!  Thanks for sharing the anecdote, too.  Funny enough, I think that's exactly how I grew out of the same cuss-at-everything-phase in my life!  I wanted to say more because I had more to say! 

JJ, I have a question for you:  Why are you so lenient?  Whereas you defend freedom of speech to the best of your abilities (at least that's my personal observation and opinion), why do you not work hard enough to protect the site writers and members from slander, libel, public humiliation, and insults, AFTER they have dared to express their opinions?

Contrary to what everyone else is saying these days, we don't need guidelines, at least not for this particular area of concern.  In fact I think without prior announcement or explanation, your site moderators must start deleting comments which contain such labels and defamatory remarks in them.  It is one area where you don't need to explain and you don't need to serve notice--proper conduct and language is a very basic assumption in the real world.  Just do it!  The sooner you start this, the sooner you can start reaping the benefits of civilized discourse on your site, where people can have real dialogues, trust me. 

Have you ever tried to keep up with the fast pace of comments arriving on a hot political post?  I have tried it only a few times and feeling exhausted and demoralized, I have left the post, not caring to follow the dialogue anymore.  It's always just the same few users who remain on those threads because they are equally capable of this virtual mudslinging and a vulgar language which appears political but it isn't.  I would never want to step into a dialogue with most of them, not because I have nothing to say but because I don't want to use their selected vocabulary of hate and labels. 

Have you ever wondered how many other users feel the same way?

Eeronman

Thank you.  You make a point which is understandable, but not condonable.  I agree that many of those words and labels are to show the commentators' anger and emotions, but does that justify their usage? 

Let me ask you this Eeroonman:

You can blog and comment on this site with a made-up name.  Let's assume for a minute that you felt particularly moved and emotional to use such labels on a user on the site who is a published author, a university lecturer, and a well-known analyst who uses his full formal name to publish here.  How many times can you name him an agent of IRI or Mosad or CIA before he decides to defend his name and reputation?  All the colorful but anonymous registered users on this site, including myself, stand a very unfair advantage over the real entities who are individuals with their real names.  Iranian.com is not an isolated island.  It is a website that sits on the internet.  These days when employers and colleagues and every Tom, Dick, and Harry "googles" everyone, every petty and cheap shot Iranian.com users have taken on this individual will show up for eternity.  Would you prescribe the same for yourself Eeronman?

Yes, of the tens of people daily attacked and labeled by other users on the site, none have felt the need to sue.  All it takes for the show to end is for one person who feels indignant and fed up enough to do it.  Without looking at Iranian.com's books I am sure there are no resources available to fight such a lawsuit. 

Furthermore, why can't we pronounce and spell out that rage and those emotions?  Why do we have to call someone a name which is just as easily replaced by your suggested word of "a....le?"  Why?  Do we lack the vocabulary?  It most certainly doesn't look that way!

I believe JJ has to ban usage of certain kinds of words from the site.  If anyone calls anyone a Zio-Nazi, their comments should be deleted.  It looked really hard when JJ started moderating the comments on the site, but in time things worked out to a great extent and we left the Wild Wild West.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

They all have the same meaning

Although there are levels of extremity, and some may seem more emotional, angry and sad, specific and vague, I believe the one word that they all basically point to as evidenced by their particularly common use, particular tone of anger, and level of frustration, and personal connotation, is the all unifying definition that we actually seem to use far less than we probably should for improved overall cathartic therapy, is  A**hole.

The terms you noted are merely creative variations on this all too recurring theme.

Once you take it that way, you're far less inclined to sue, which is probably why there aren't any lawsuits given the number of seemingly unending libelous accusations that are made here on an hourly basis.

Hmm

What I would like to know is whether News Goffer is an Islamo-Fascist or a Zio-Nazi.

I'm Kidding!

I was talking to an Iranian guy the other day. He's an artist with great command and knowledge of the Persian language. He was saying that when he was a child, he was very "bad-dahan" and cursed constantly. His father was that way too.

The man I was talking to is now in his late 20s. He said recently he has been pushing himself to express his views more precisely. "For instance," he said, "I don't feel satisfied anymore when I say this article or that painting is kiri or tokhmi. I need to EXPLAIN WHY it's kiri or tokhmi."

To the average reader, "Islamo-Fascist" or "Zio-Nazi" are just curse words. It's mud-slinging. Those who resort to name-calling are in fact displaying their intolerance of opposing views by rejecting them with sweeping generalizations, rather than simple reason.

good post

I do agree with it. thank you.