Iranian Truth

Ok now I got it...

Debbie is the second grader and semsarian must be her teacher!

Thank you Semsarian. I promise to be polite from now on! I brush my teeth every night, don't accept candy from starngers and look to my left when I cross the street. Now if you may I have to prepare my Holloween custom! :-)

Semsarian is the Socrates of our time on this site at least. and for debbie...where the Hell did you go?!
OOPS I used the 4 letter word! I am so sorry Ms/Mrs semsarain!!

RE: No Semsarian, miss Debbie

ye pa do pa jan, even if somebody started to be impolite there is no reason for you to act apart and
do what they do. If you don't like their behavior I guess you should refrain from being like them, let them be the impolite one... with being impolite you prove no point other than ruining your own image in front of others, maybe that's what they want you to do, and by being impolite you just help them achieve their goal.
As I said there is no reason or excuse for being impolite. Please think about what I just said.
Thanks.

NIAC

I don't understand all this hate against NIAC. Its as though some of you expect them to apologize for the embassy crisis every day? Try to move on, please! They are helping resolve current issues that Iranians in America battle - Like why our husbands, parents and grandparents get pulled aside when they fly or when we have problems with visa restrictions. It's easy to talk big in favor of punishing Iranians when you are in the US, living comfortably/safely, but NIAC is helping Iranians who are here and need a voice on the Hill in issues (esp. bigger than this) - that most of you will not help resolve. Nema is involved in more efforts than many of you here - like compiling information through the Iranian-American Bar Association on how to help the elderly Iranians, sexual harrassment and domestic abuse. What have any of you done except accuse accuse and ridicule? It would be great to see a bit of support for a change, even if it means we have to swallow some pride.

To Tonya

Tonya, burning the flag may or may not be anything of importance to you, but it's interpreted as hatred toward a nation, you as you said may feel nothing for the flag but some do and found it very disrespectful.
But generally speaking it's considered an act of hatred toward a nation, it's not the symbol of the government, a flag is a symbol for a nation.

No Semsarian, miss Debbie

No Semsarian, miss Debbie started the impoliteness by insulting not only mine but every Iranian's intelligence by making an issue out of something that was totally irrelevant.

Again, I reiterate, I have no patience for folks who have a hidden agenda and slate our hamvatans for caring about our heritage and our people.

No apologies given for calling it like I see it. Sadly, sometimes its necessary to resort to that behavior b/c otherwise you'll be taken advantage of.

re: Being polite or just stupid?!

ok, with the same analogy of yours... when there is
a gun pointed at you, what would you do?
start swearing and calling names? do you really
think that'd help you? would the rubber say "oh since
you called me names, ok I get the point sorry, I will just go"? good luck with name calling and give the guy a reason to shoot you in the head.
Really, there is no reason to be rude and impolite,
if you have anything reasonable to say.
There is no excuse for being rude.

To ..... ye pa do pa

there is no excuse for being impolite.
by being impolite you not only fail to make your point but also it helps your opponent.
I wish you could lay out your reasons and logics
with some decorum and politeness and like a gentleman/lady and act reasonable, really I don't
think it's too much to ask.
Only people who are short in logic start personal attacks and show impoliteness.
wish you luck.

Burning flags.... etc.

Before reading all these great blogs... I'm gonna point out one thing right in the beginning.  This is the least of the concerns raised here but one that I feel real REAL strong about.  All this concern about burning our flag is mostly just posturing.  Can you even say such a thing while the very fact that it is OUR FRIGGIN' RIGHT to do so!  My son is a Marine.  I'm proud.  I'm terrified.  While he is bound to respect the flag and all that good stuff... the first thing he would tell you is that whatever feelings you or he might have about respecting it... it doesn't mean jack-shit.  You can respect or disrespect it all you want.  Why?  Because you are FREE TO DO SO.  So please dont use that "burning the flag" crap around me or anyone else who stands to lose a loved one in war.  What the hell... it isn't just about me.... it's you... and you.... and you.  Now... let's talk about the real issues here.

Being polite or just stupid?!

This issue comes up on the debates on this site time and again. Being polite!

Here is a situation for you politeeeeees!
A rubber points his gun to your face demanding your wallet. You polite,sassy, unrealists would say:

"could you please point the gun to my heart casue I am alergic to the sight of a gun barrel"

Get real folks. Stop being Naz nazy!!
There are times to be polite and then there are times to be REAL!!! Grow up.

Lawmakers Seek Clarification from DOD Over Cagan’s Alleged Rema

U.S. Representatives Michael Honda (D-15th/CA) and Carolyn Maloney (D-14th/NY) have contacted the Department of Defense to inquire about the comments allegedly made by Debra Cagan, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Coalition Affairs.

//www.iranianamericanpac.org/news/detail.php?...

Any one who has spent a day

Any one who has spent a day in Iran, knows that Iranian people are not anti-American despite the Islamic government's propaganda. Protesting against the comments made by this he-she or whatever you call her/him/it aka. Debra Cagan has nothing to do with one's political and/or tactical approach to Iran vs. the "rest of the world" conflict! This is about censuring a public official for making a xenophobic and racist comment in her/his/it official capacity. While obviously acknowleding that various Iraninan government oficials have repeatedly made derogatory, comments about the US and the rest of the world,it needs it to be reiterated that those animals are NOT representative of a democratically elected government as United States of America has always prided herself to be!! Therefore, such action by a US official serves no purpose other than offend Iranian people as a whole and give another excuse to barbaric Islamic regime to further demonize US government. Folks this is not about politics, this is about national pride!

Are you for real Nima?

"In fact, you constantly see Iranians scolding Iranian leaders, opposition parties, and even other Iranians", There are many in prison fo simply posing questions to Iranian leaders, let alone scolding them. What opposition parties, Are you for real Nima?

No! I refuse to be

No!

I refuse to be respectful towards people who spin the truth in order to get their ideology across.

This is a game they are playing and I will not play by their rules, b/c by doing so, it only adds to their deceitfulness and double speak.

I'm a veteran of debate and skilled at taking a person's argument apart. However, I have no tolerance for folks who manipulate the truth and hide behind their words. Why not come out and say what your true intentions are? Why play this silly little game?

All I did was point out the obvious...if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then my god it must be a duck.

For the person who now refuses to sign the petition b/c of my rude tone...you've definately missed the forest for the trees OR you are flat out lying and never intended on signing in the first place.

Cheers,

RE: To Bahmani

Milianinia, you seem to have failed to get the point.
not all iranians do as you mentioned, there are others
who only condemn US and stay silent when Iran does
the similar act, look at the mirror and you will see
an example.

Let see, Who here DOESN'T

Let see, Who here DOESN'T comdemn the IRI everytime they say hateful remarks towards the US and Israel, calling them the Great Satan, 'Marg bar amreeka', etc?

The IRI is such an f'ed up government that we're all desensitized to their hateful remarks. But in the U.S., where we live, where supposedly we are free and living under a representative government, to hear such hateful remarks is not only uncommon, it gets people fired and has done so in the past.

Iranian-Americans are very proud of where they came from, but lets begin by protecting our people here in the U.S., and helping to shape the most powerful country's foriegn policy to one of fairness, justice, and freedom from US hegemony.

To Bahmani

I disagree with you. Iranians do criticize their own everyday. In fact, you constantly see Iranians scolding Iranian leaders, opposition parties, and even other Iranians. I really don't see that as an issue. If anything, I see more dispargining of Iranians by Iranians than any consolidated effort by Iranians to prevent widespread animosity and discrimination against themselves.

NotSoAnon and yepadopa

you are no better than Cagan, we need a pettition
against you. Your attitude is so disrespectful yet
you support a petition against disrespect.

Pahlavists r still pussies

look at u guys on here defending cagan monster. The american embassy was stormed because in 1953 the American embassy housed the asses like kermit roosevelt who ruined iranian democracy revolution to support pussy pahlavi. u guys will always be american slaves

supporters of the petition

After reading the article I wanted to sign the
petition but once I read the comments posted by
the supporters of the petition I changed my mind.
You show no sign of decorum and politeness and you
want to be respected?
I refrain from signing it, as I don't want to be
in the same crowd as you.

RE: Ye pa Do pa

Ye pa Do pa Jan, how are you going to sign your
name on the petition? with Ye pa Do pa? lol
yea please do that.
actually, you are showing no better behavior than
Mrs. Cagan, if you are going to condemn somebody's
action at least try to be not like them.
You are greatly demonstrating an uncivilized manner, and asking others to respect you? really good luck
with that.

Excellent!

Ye Pa Do Pa....

Nice going. Great presentation. A second graders will get this. debbie will have to wait and see. Clear logic, sane mind, true command of logic and language. Had we had more of you (and me :-))
no nut case would be roaming around spreading hate or defending it! Keep up the good work. write more comments...

best..

P.S I just wonder how she and her ilk get to answer math questions before posting their comments?! may be daddy helps... :-)

November 4

November 4 2007 is the 28th anniversary of the Islamic terrorists students of the Islamic Republic stormed the American embassy in Tehran and took 52 Americans hostage for 444 days. This act, according to the international laws, is tantamount to declaring war on a sovereign country. To this date, not a single Iranian has formal apologized to America for this illegal and barbaric act! The same group of people who took American hostages have been taking the entire Iran as hostage. Iranians have two options: either you join America and fight against a common enemy called Islam and Mullahs or you join the them and will be crushed in the process.

It is payback time for the Islamic Republic, mullahs, and their thugs.

LOL @ Debbie

Lay off the crack and seek professional help.

Where the hell does flag burning come into the argument? Gooz be shaghigheh che rabti dareh (unless in this case your head is up your ass). YO dumb-ass, I'll try to explain this to you as if you're a second grader, b/c god knows, judging from your previous posts you're going to need to have this put to you in the most simple format possible:

We are US citizens residing on US soil. A US government official said she hates all Iranians, yes, that includes the ones in the US. We didn't burn any flags, now did we? This petition is to represent our voices here in the US. According to your logic nobody should ever get upset/offended by anything b/c undoubtedly somebody, somewhere, somehow may have a tie to that person and may share a different point of view. Capishe???

Now stop talking gibberish and get a life.

Mr Milaninia

yes lets sign a petition for whatever US says against iran, but lets be silent about iran's dirty comments about US. So much for fairness.

re: Dual Pressure is Needed

Thank you Mr. Bahmani, I couldn't have said it better.
What you said is right on the money. thank you.

IMHO

I too found this above mentioned petition and article
one sided and far too unfair after all those unjust
comments of iranian government toward US which went
unnoticed by islamic apologists such as the author or
this article, one may wonder if he is actually being
supported/helped/funded by iranian government.

Dual Pressure is Needed

While of course any disparaging remark like Cagan's expressing outright hatred is reprehensible, we always seem to get caught in our own denial of our present circumstances, under the "kettle calling the teapot black" clause of life. When will we learn, that we can NEVER have it both ways. We CANNOT let our own foibles go un-scolded, and expect others to respect us. The act of criticizing others but not our own when we are dead wrong, is an example of classic self-hatred. Maybe if Iranians would stop hating themselves, and finally clean up the mess in their own back yard, others would stop hating them. Maybe Cagan and her brood hate "...all Iranians" because Iranians criticize and complain about everyone and everything and never themselves.

re: Intelligence is my middle name!

Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms/?? NotSoAnynmous :)
it's so typical to come up with lame excuses for rudeness and lack of intelligent behavior.
I wouldn't expect anything more than you.
I understand the difficult challenges you are facing
to overcome your rudeness and lack of intelligence (which is by the way is common sense, no wonder you have no definition for it), and I hope to see some positive changes in your attitude which I have my doubts about it.

Nema- Thanks for your

Nema- Thanks for your efforts in reminding us that Cagan has to be held accountable for her hateful remarks. Letting this issue fade away has consequences that go beyond just this one particular incident, and I'm happy to help out however I can.

re: Flag burning has nothing to do with it

you can't say that. past events have effects and cause future events. With your so-called logic one can say
iran's hating US has nothing to do with their involvement with 28 Mordad coup.