Raising Quran on Spears

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Raising Quran on Spears
by No Fear
11-Jul-2010
 

If you had paid attention to the speeches or articles written by the clerics who belong to the oligarchic ruling class in IR ( prior to Ahmadinejad ) since last year, you will notice that they all agree that there is an ongoing conspiracy which has not been eliminated. Through historical facts ( some centuries old ) they openly say that they are worried to witness " The Quran on spears ".

The significance of such terminology lies in the history of Islam. What it really means is that they believe the real danger is not coming from those who are traditionally the enemy of IR, but those who belong to IR and were grown with IR and islamic ideology ( Khodi haaye monharef ).

How did we get here?

Three decades ago, the majority of Iranians who dreamed about a moral utopia, followed a revolutionary cleric with extensive political credentials. This utopia never materialised. Different political groups ( Marxists, secular, nationalists, democrats ) started to ask difficult questions from the clergies who could not provide the correct answers. Regardless of who was asking or demanding, the clergies followed two approaches to address the issues;

1- All demands and questions were cross checked by Quran and the sharia laws and they argued only through religion our problems would be solved.

2- Based on the same Sharia Laws, they pushed aside ( eliminated ) many who were demanding and asking difficult questions.

As a direct result of such policies, the clergies lost the unconditional support ( from all social classes) they had enjoyed at the early stages of revolution. The only group still loyal ( by hope or fear ) to the ruling clergy class were the muslim population ( Practicing Muslims ). This last group or segment of our society still had hopes for the utopia promised by our religious leaders.

People witnessed that years after the end of war, despite the brutal elimination of the oppositions by the ruling clergy class, and inspite of our vast resources, the report card on an Iran ruled by the religious clergies is a failure both politically and economically.

The last group standing ( The practicing muslims ) are starting to ask the same difficult questions again ( very similar to early revolution ).

What can the ruling clergy class do?

When they dealt with marxists, they called them " Kafar" or infidels. When they were dealing with a clergy who was advocating separation of religion and politics, they labeled him advocate of "American Islam". When dealing with a liberal democrat, they labeled them " westernized".

But what would you do with those who grew up listening to your lectures and speeches in the mosques?  Can you call them Kafar??

When the Qurans are raised, they will ask ;  Are these the words of God or do you speak on his behalf?  which one?!

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marhoum Kharmagas

Comrade jaan!

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<<"rafigh" comrade>>

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i_support_khamenie

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I second Comrade request (and comment). A user name change also would be appreciated!


marhoum Kharmagas

"rafigh" comrade

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You Todeheis now support Mousavi?


No Fear

Bavafa,

by No Fear on

Compare the qualifications of Ahmadinejad's cabinet with previous administrations, and that would be your first clue. ( Aside from Ershad and intelligence, which are partially controlled by VF ).

The only president who has openly challenged the wish of VF in Iran has been Ahmadinejad during the Esfandyar Mashaie fiasco.

Ahmadinejad openly support Mesbah Yazdi who makes comments like below.

//www.khabaronline.ir/news-57939.aspx


comrade

A name for the "velvet revolution" in Farsi

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بزک نمیر بهار میاد

 

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ISK

by I Voted Ahmadinejad on

Are you sure you support the leader of islamic revolution? you sound like you support Rafsanjani, dont you? Rafsanjani and the Co are the problem not the answer.

ram jams


Bavafa

Nofear:

by Bavafa on

Can you provide cases/examples that shows that trend, specially that this is the strategic design and not one-off case of certain clergy that he just can't share/split power with?

AN seems eternally and fundamentally accepting/defending and supporting the VF concept, which in Iran means the absolute power (both politically and socially) in the hands of clergy who incidentally controls all arm forces

Mehrdad


comrade

Difference in IRI shed light on the truth of Shia vs Sunni Islam

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i_support_khamenie

In the past, I have requested other members to transfer their valued comments to an independent blog.

Here, I hope, you will consider doing the same thing. Although I feel  I can never live with Rafsanjani's bunch under the same sky, but I find your comment worthy of becoming a blog.  

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No Fear

Bavafa, The Velvet revolution in currently underway...

by No Fear on

The point i am trying to make is that NO one can justify holding any position because they are a religious entity with a direct hotline to God.

The elimination ( Or weakening ) of religious entities holding government positions has begun since the Presidency of Ahmadinejad.

In my opinion, Ahmadinejad and his supporters are those " practicing muslims" who are pushing the clergies aside.


No Fear

ISK,

by No Fear on

Who do you think is more involved in our politic and economics? Mesbah Yazdi or Rafsanjani?

Shouldn't an Akhound be confined to preaching and teaching in the seminaries?  you know.... like mesbah Yazdi.

or would you rather see an Akhound deeply involved with every power centre , politically and economically, in our country? you know... like rafsanjani.

Just a small observation which i wanted to share with you.


No Fear

Comrade,

by No Fear on

Your constant accusation and the usage of the term " hojatiyeh" , makes me think that you are an expert in this field. I will be posting a blog about this issue, hopefully you can participate so we can learn from your immense knowledge.


i_support_khamenie

Difference in IRI shed light on the truth of Shia vs Sunni Islam

by i_support_khamenie on

It is w/o a doubt that Khomeini loved Rafsanjani's street smarts and relied on him heavily b/c of his intelligency and cunning strategy.
Meanwhile, charismatic Khomeini considered Jannati and Mesbah Yazdi , a bunch of bi orze wa bi shakhsiyat.
Rafsanjani like Khomeini did what was best for the survival of the Islamic government. Meanwhile, people like Jannati and Mesbah Yazdi were more about putting Islam first and relying on "God": and "Mahdi" to protect IRI. They were living in fantasy and not realists like Khomeini and Rafsanjani.

Today there is a campaign to descredit Rafsanjani by "Al Khawarej" the likes of Yazdi and Jannati. No matter what they do, it seems they cannot peel off the truth that is Khomeini really admired Rafsanjani. Even Khomeini;s family today loves Rafsanjani.

The only KHomeini not to like Raf. was Ahmad Khomeini. He was so bitter that the Imam would spend more time discussing real business with Rafsanjani and would have AHmad take care of minor personal issues that were hardly political in nature. In other words, Imam considered Raf. the man to go to and relied heavily on him, more so than Ahmad.

So, in return, when Imam passed away, Ahmad favored Khamenie as a means to "get back" at Raf's close relation with the Imam.

All this teaches people who are very well versed in polittics, Islam, Ahadith and Quranic verses that the attempts to discredit AbuBakr as a close confidance for the prophet was done by the same type of people like the Khawarej like Jannati and Yazdi. This minority group tried to say that Ali was the closest tothe Prophet and Abu Bakr wasn't close. However, it is becoming very clear that the same methods were used against Abu Bakr that are being used against Raf.
Indeed, Prophet turned to Abu Bakr for consult in sensitive political issues and treated Ali like a son. However, just like the owner of a business, the owner trusts his manager's advise more so that his high school son's idealist and often rash advise that the owner listens to but knows is impractical.

It is no wonder that Abu Bakr was chosen by Ijma amongst the elders to take the helms of the Islamic Umma after the prophet;s death. Simply because he was more privy to political dealings and ways to keep the Islamic governance in place.

As a Shia Ithna Ashari, it is becoming crystal clear to me that what the Prophet truly trusted Abu Bakr's decisions and leadership far more than the idealistic Ali's.

The funniest part of this whole thing is that we the Shias believe that the Velayat should be passed to Ali and progeny- in other words- "hereditary" yet at the same time we are disgusted by the hereditary nature of the politcal inheritance in SA, Egypt, Morocco and Egypt.

Honest truth is that Ali was an idealistic kid who firmly believed in Islam but was not a realist nor a good manager. Prophet Mohammed knew this. Prophet Mohammed was more pragmatic and realist and wanted to ensure that Islamic governnance stays in power based upon "facts on the ground" unlike Ali's " reliance upon Allah to divinely interfere."

Finally, when ALi recieved his Khilafa, it became crystal clear how poor of a manager he was. He absolute belief in black and white, and not accepting any shades of gray, led to the disintegration of of his governance ad rebellion amongst the governors. His position was so weakened that Muawiyah was able to wrestle control from him and deprive his family from any power.

The prophet even found someone like recent convert Khalid bin Waleed to be far more useful for the Islamic government than Ali. He would rely on young Khaled to spearhead a military campaign, but he could only rely on Ali to go and lay down in his bed- to fool the Meccans looking for Mohammed.

Was Ali a loyal fighter. Yes, he participated in many campaigns. But the same can be said about many of today;s Islamic followers in AlQaeda. They are ready to fight and die, but they lack any managerial and leadership qualities.

These things are becoming ever more clear. What is also clear is that when bitter people who insist on "HAQ" and "Black and White" like Jannati and Yazdi and rely on "Mahdi" and "Allah" to protect Iran, then if they ever get to power, two things will happen for sure: Iran will disintegrate (as these wackos will not hesitate to use nukes against Israel and will rely on Mahdi to provide Iran with a nuclear shield) and the Islamic REpublic government will be history. They will do to Iran what Ali did to the Islamic Umma- divide the governance and land to the point that Islam is no longer is in the constitution.

I read about 20 years ago that the CIA consider that the IRI would last 50 years. If the likes of Jannati and Yazdi do indeed get more and more power then CIA's prediction will be accurate. Then the day will come when in Iran, there will be no trace of Islam and Iranian women will be dancing in strip clubs for US businessmen. Just because these nuts cases didn't know how to manage the government just as ALi fucked shit up and gave it all away through his poor decisions.

Only and only people like Raf with pragmatic and realist view points can ensure that Islamic government stays in Iran and Iran never reaches a point where its women are prostitutes for US businessmen in Tehran.

Mahdi has been in hiding for the last 900 years. I wouldn't bet the dignity of Iranian women and the survival of the Islamic Republic upon this Mahdi.....he might just never show up. Nor will I leave it to Allah to protect the Islamic Republic and Iranian women's dignity. We have seen He has been very effective for Palestinians over the past 60 years.

I prefer to go to my deathbed and have Rafsanjani in charge of the Islamic Republic and not ALLah or Mahdi in charge- they have a pretty spotty record afterall. Also, the Jews say they are God's Chosen People. Maybe they know something we don't, afterall, Allah seems to have given Israel everything it needs to stay in power!

I'd rather know that my flight to Iran is piloted by a not so pure Rafsanjani pilot and not by an empty pilot seat that people would say is occupied by Allah and Mahdi.

Get REAL


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

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You got that right for once.  Yes they are making the same mistakes and will meet the  same fate. DIfference is that the old regime had good relations with the West; this a bolt hole. These do not so they have to settle for Syria or god knows where.

The Pahlavi ruling groups at least let people have fun. These do not let people have fun. Why it beat me; VPK


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sick and tired of those ruling class

by I Voted Ahmadinejad on

they got rich fast and easy, and then they forgot who brought them to power. They have made the same mistakes as the old regime did, ignoring the masses. Today, Mehdi Rafsanjani and many more like him were crowned as nobles and royals whom we should respect, just because they had connection and used to make a good living!!!!

ram jams


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می‌دانم با واژه مشّاطه گران امپریالیسم آشنایی دارید، که به علت
کثرت استعمال، و گذشت روزگار دیگر مانند سابق دست بدست نمیچرخد. لطفا به
بنده اجازه بدهید لقب شریف "خُنیا گر‌ عصر انتظار" را به جنابعالی تقدیم
کرده، آرزو کنم تا تحت توجّهات حضرت مهدی، ارواح شما فداش، از مزایای دنیوی
و اخرویش برخوردار شوید.

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Bavafa

"But what would you do with

by Bavafa on

"But what would you do with those who grew up listening to your lectures and speeches in the mosques?  Can you call them Kafar?? "

Apparently so. With IRI, if you are not flowing in the same direction, even if they are flowing back ward, you are not part of the same river, therefore "Kafer"

This is the fundamental issue that there is no room for dissident in Iran, therefore no possibility of fixing/changing this system.

Mehrdad


Darius Kadivar

I Always Suspected Britney was a Danger to the IRI ;0))

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Now I know Why ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKo4fFVymqk

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