Vasspaan

You have offered nothing

Pathetic

So we don't need to revist this specific case for your benefit alone.

Let everyone see what a coward you are. I offered to PROVE that I am not a Bahai and you backtrack with excuses and tell me to contact your “attorney” who is probably a corrupted bearded sibilu akhund, or your own reflaction in a mirror. You have spent most of your time on this site talking to yourself using different IDS, people know who the liar and imbalanced individual here is.  

As "Shekar" correctly summed it up: YOU MISS THE POINT. This is a humanitarian issue, and not something someone as projudiced as you has the capacity to comprehend. All you have done with your irrational accusations and inhumanity is to make a fool of yourself. Go spend your entire life copying rubbish to USENET. Goodbye and good luck.

Argument by other handles

Here we go. When they cannot actually respond to your arguments, a bait and switch tactic is to start accusing you of being other posters, and then making innuendo canards about your views on other threads as somehow proof of this multiple handle accusation. This is one of their oldest and well worn (and transparent) tactics they've used with me. It also reveals core intellectual dishonesty.

marge the Reverse Crusaders

"i don't care if he attacks religion. I hope more people do this, to ALL the religions"

But her chosen religion to attack is Bahais, Jews, and christians, its sort of her reverse Crusade.

"Nima doesn't claim to be a prophet or believer. he is just telling people how much he hates bahai for reasons." get your head out of the sand and read azals kumanments,i believe he does make reference to shekamel. and olso Are you Nimas spoke person? are you Sofia, are you Nima?

Also leave classy out of this we are talking about marge how classy can that get. 

I did not mention you growing up without love, the list of risk factors for developing hatefull personality is broad.you be your own judje.

NOTICE HOW SHE STOLE THE SPOT LIGHT FROM THE STUDENT DAY IN IRAN. VERY BLOODY CLEVER.

I think

that this guy is going to crash USENET one of these days with all the arajeefs that he crams into that site!

SG, the fact that you are a liar is already proven

So we don't need to revist this specific case for your benefit alone. As for Anvar and Faryar being respectable, we must agree to disagree on this one. To me they have only slightly more credibility than you do, but only just. Asking them to cover for you with anyone is like asking a clinically diagnosed pathological case to take the stand and promise to tell the truth so help them..If you want to prove anything, I've already offered you a more credible and verifiable option, and that is to contact my attorney.

That said, if you weren't a Baha'i and were in fact an atheist, you would have no need or basis to vigorously defend the Haifan Bahais and their specific agenda against their detractors (and in situations where they are blatantly in the wrong) with the kind of fire and malice that you do: a fire and malice that only belongs to a card carrying member and no one else. Once again, there is a long established pattern of certain online personas and archedefenders claiming to be non-Bahais, and then out-Bahaing the Baha'is in their attacks. So as of right now you are a typical BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY liar, like all the others before you, and as such your plausible denial is nothing more than the Bahai species of taqiyya known as hikmat which appears to be a matter of BIA policy:

Susan Stiles Maneck,
//bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm
WISDOM AND DISSIMULATION IN THE BAHA’I WRITINGS: The Use and meaning of Hikmat in the Baha’i Writings

QUOTE

"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith."

[Crossposted to USENET]

This person is a card carrying Bahai/ is a liar

If you make such claims, then you need to prove it. You claim to know my identity. Say publically who I am Gandalf. Mr Javid knows my identity (my email address has my full name) and my location can be found through my IP address, so lets see what you are really made of. Less talk more action. Come on ....

I am prepared for a respectable Bahai like Anvar or Faryar to contact JJ for my full name and check if I am a card carrying Bahai or if I have EVER been a Bahai. And for JJ to verify the information. We'll see who the bare face liar is. 

Nuzdah Farman-i-Hazrat-i-Wahid-i-Azal...

Nuzdah Farman-i-Hazrat-i-Wahid-i-Azal

The 19 Commandments

"Verily I proclaim unto thee the Great Resurrection (qíyámat al-kubrá), the age of inner truth and verification, so rend the veils...." 

"My eternal covenant with thee is My love and My love alone..."

"Thou shalt not found any more creeds, sects and religious organizations that claim exclusivity over my Name, My truths or My eternal verities...." 

"Take care of My Angel the Earth (Gaia). " 

"......My light and the fruits of My being, so look within and ye shall find Me standing within manifest, luminous, mighty, splendorous, powerful and resplendent. Therefore the only true point of adoration (qibla) is in the conjunction of the Sun and the Moon of the being of thine own heart- which is Me - not elsewhere, so turn to It! 

Actually...

by Nur-i-Azal on Fri Dec 11, 2009 08:05 AM EST

Nima / Wahid Azal / Nur / Zulf etc ,

doesn't claim to be a prophet 

Nima/wahid

Its OK to deny it now with excuses...just blame it on your experiments with "Herbs".

Actually...

Nima doesn't claim to be a prophet

I have :) Just to piss a lot of people off and show it can be done with impunity, but that's another conversation...

BTW note that sagkoochooloo is lying all the way. Also note the typical religionist self-righteousness which is not the character of any atheist. This person is a card carrying Bahai, and I have a nose for these things. Why they need to bald face lie, is a story on to itself...

no i was brought up by wolves glad you asked!!

again. i talk about bahai and you go on about how evil marge is. baba i am actually satan herself. ok? i wasn't even involved with you in that debate, but please join us!

i don't care if he attacks religion. I hope more people do this, to ALL the religions.

I don't profess to be righteous, the beacon of humanity and civility. I am very clear that I hate religion and that people who profess their righteousness are always the opposite. bingo here it all is on display here. Nima doesn't claim to be a prophet or believer. he is just telling people how much he hates bahai for reasons. that's his right. now either defend it or continue attacking him and me. either way, the truth about religion comes out.

Marge

You say you were brought up with tolerance but your actions prove otherwise. You are supporting someone who on a daily basis attacks a group of people and their beliefs. And then you turn around and play the victim (like he does) when you are challenged for your lack of civility and humanity. 

"but you must tolerate people who think your prophet was just trying to be Harry Potter"

You were certainly not brought up with manners. 

dream on seagull

lots of whining but no cigar. 

look you can make me the boogeyman and complain about my disliking religion, but too bad. you can attack ME ME ME and make me hitler, but it won't change it. It's an old tactic by religious peoples and leaders to attack people when they are questioned. That's fine. You just proved everything I stated in that "hate-filled" comment.

Oh anddd....... if you learned patience (for what? coming of mahdi and jesus?) and tolerance growing up then I learned to love the koran.  

may the lord be with you. let your attack lights shine on me! woohoo. 

Very classy that you had to speculate how I was raised and said it iwas without love. Thank you. That's really kind and righteous of you. I'm sure people are flocking to the nearest Bahai center right now to empty their wallets to support this fine organization. 

It is because I grew up with love, humor and tolerance that I can live without religion and its ridiculous yoke on people's minds. I can tolerate someone practicing, but you must tolerate people who think your prophet was just trying to be Harry Potter. 

I did. Because that's what you usually do -- complain

Who said I complained?

I complemented you on your lung capacity.

Long sentences

SG, you complain about my long, legalese sentences when Shoghi Effendi made a career out of long run-on, paragraph length sentences? Take this below, for example:

(Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By, p. 229)

Seagull, you are a dangerous religious fanatic

And this statement proves it,

your shamefull statment of hate sounds like the justificantion of all the hate crimes against humanity.

You are projecting your own hate of those who think differently than you and have the courage to express it upon them. The hate is all yours, pilgrim, not Marge's. This is a pattern that exists with Islamists, ultra-Orthodox Jews, BJP Hindus, Ultra-Rightwing Christian fundamentalists and every assortment of glaze-eyed cultist on the planet from Scientologists to Jim Joners and Branch Davidians, etc. With this attitude expect to find more Marge's and more Nur-i-Azal's in the future, but on a mass scale, to the point that one day entire government's will turn against you and make the practice of your specific denominational creed illegal as happened in France with Scientology. And, believe it, with the criminal hysteria your organization participated in Uganda that day is extremely close!

sounds like Hitler hate talk

Marge Trebec,

your shamefull statment of hate sounds like the justificantion of all the hate crimes against humanity. It is people with similar mentality who rape, torture and murder other humans in cold blood, because they just hate.

It is precisely because of this kind of hate that humanity suffers and is in terror and the worst may yet not be over since your HATE would serve as an open invitation to more HATE from within and without. Next time they tell you to go back to your country you can sympathize with that.

Now keep that destructive hate up, I grew up around you and learned to be patient, the more intolerant you became. In time we will see what your hate will accomplish if we havenot since enough.

***

"FaryarmM loves to speak for JJ" seems more like you whine and cry and complain on behalf of JJ, are you his lawyer or you just represent tha lone blogger here, do you smell hypocricy!

*** 

If you think before leaving calculated stirring comments that would put innocent people in harms way then you wont have to tuss and turn when you are being reminded. 

***

By the way big egos with little to offer are x-communicated or move on themselves to find greener pastures with more sheeps. This is not exclusive to religion.

***

Just immagine if all the bad clergy with their assorted egos were ex-communicated you would have never left your country, Saudi/Iran or wherever just to be here complainin about them, trying to figure a way to clean their mess before they get more wars going.

***

Hate comes from, insecurity, inferiority complex, ignorance, growing up without love..... I agree its not the British its you.

The following message was deleted

And I'd like to know why.

Dear Mr Mansouri:

As far as I am aware you are not a spokesperson for Jahahshah Javid. If you are, could you kindly clarify your position in writing and elaborate as to exactly what your position might be?

I will say it again. Kindly refrain from communicating with me in any
public form. If you have outstanding issues, you can contact my attorney directly yourself or have your attorneys contact them.

Finally, your statement here,

There is no doubt that you will have to account for all this one day... you probably already are.

Is an explicit threat. As such any current or future events, actions
or extra-legal interferences undertaken against myself or members of my family outside of the specific purview of the law will be deemed to be actions and interferences undertaken by yourself and the organization you belong to, and as such I reserve my rights to the
fullest extent of the law against such previous and current threats or
egregious interferences.

ok now are you satisfied seagull??? you judged me

are you more righteous for it now? oh and you judged the value of my life and said it is "least/worst possible." further righteousness by these bahai followers of this guy. if he's crazy, why do you obsess over his blogs? why don't you follow JJ's lead and ignore him. 

Even if I hate your religion, so what? Let me tell you oh enlightened bahai defender seagull the righteous, it does not take a conspiracy of Islamic Republic, Israel, America or any other religion to hate your religion. It's just how I feel. It's my right, just as it is your right to believe in prophecies and other things dandruffy men have claimed as truth. The difference is I don't need to attack YOU in order to feel right about my view.  

FaryarM loves to speak for JJ, I have observed here. Saying "JJ KNows and he probably knows and has seen and knows and has read bla bla bla bla." Great. 

ok i am sad and leave a bad taste. so don't follow my comments or this blogger's. I think it's interesting that this religion even has a Vatican model! that they can excommunicate people for "covenant breaking." I'm grateful to know this and I don't care how that makes you feel. It just proves that all these deens are the same stinky crap.

"i can't believe people get paid to regulate facebook pages .."

Crush on alex or whatever you really are,

You better believe it, you are doing the same the only difference is hounesty.

The stench of after taste/thought you leave behind comes from what you stand for, but you are not aware of it and that is the greatest waste of a life possible. 

Just watching you and Nima Hazini like a couple of fish out of the ocean gasping for air is the greatest confirmation of that ever present Justice that assails as it wills, eventhough it is sad and tragic.

Go find a better way of living than this pitty hate tantrums.   

One hell of a long sentence

" As such any current or future events, actions or extra-legal interferences undertaken against myself or members of my family outside of the specific purview of the law will be deemed to be actions and interferences undertaken by yourself and the organization you belong to, and as such I reserve my rights to the fullest extent of the law against such previous and current threats or egregious interferences and extra-legal undertakings whether of the past, present or future. "

Gosh you must have deep lungs, did you say all that in one breath? You should be an opera singer.

JJ knows enough to distinguish..

Nima Hazini /Wahid Azal

JJ does not need to read the long list of discredited authors of falsehood,(Raddiyeh)  to know about the Bahai faith, even if he was interested.

He has lived in Iran, worked for the IR news agency and is probably well aware of their agenda and methods.. probably a good reason behind his subsequent stance on human rights..

He has also witnessed  your behavior and words  on this site alone to to make his own conclusions. It really doesnt take much to see through you, even for the first timer.

How lonely and miserable can one be to spend so much of a day on a computer, conjuring up scenarios of lies and hate.. 

There is no doubt that you will have to account for all this one day... you probably already are.

Shekar jan

If standing up for Truth, Justice and the "American Way" amounts to wallowing (only one 'o') in hate and anger, then ya'll need to shut down this site, stop complaining about the situation in Iran and go sit in a cave somewhere chanting Om Shanti for the rest of your days :)

Get that!

lol expulsion from the community

he should feel lucky! what a waste of time. i can't believe people get paid to regulate facebook pages in the name of god. 

Nuri-i-Azal

You missed the point again, but it's O.K.

Go ahead, wollow in hate and anger all you want.

The Beloved

Here is the answer to your first question: Bahai CULT FAQ. The answer to your second question is yes. But let's not get sidetracked. I want to hear from JJ.

Shekar

Your name is not JJ. This question was specifically addressed to him.

Furthemore I am an ex-Bahai and so far more qualified than you and other uninformed pro-Bahai chest-beaters here, including JJ, to be broaching this issue on any level. And the problem is with the Haifan Bahai organization.There are other Bahai denominations, such as the Orthodox Bahais, I have no problems with. And such problem,  where it exists, is identical in nature and scope to the the same problem the rest of you (and me) have with the Islamic republic and the mullahs. Finally, one of the biggest fallacies in argumentation, which many of you keep falling into here, is to personalize an issue that inhabits in its specifc posing a theoretical space, whether as a question or an argument.

Live and let live indeed! Maybe it is your own point you need to get.

Azal

I'm curious, what is your main case against Bahai "faith."  Secondly, was this "faith" created or funded by the British?

Missing the point

Nur-i-Azal:

You miss the point about people who defend Bahais.  I, too, am a non-Bahai who defends Bahais in their right to exist and to practice their faith free of government or private persecution and harassment.  I want the same for everybody on this earth regardless of their faith and belief, so long as they are peaceful.

Says who that in order to defend people's right to their beliefs we must all first study their faiths and read all their books and believe everything they are saying?!  Says who that in order to condemn the unfair and inhumane treatment of Bahais by Islamic Republic of Iran, we must all first become experts on what Bahaism is and to have read all their books?!

It's evident that you have a real problem with Bahais.  Please don't make it other people's.  Live and let live.  You are also benefitting from the same principles that respect people's rights to express their opinions and to practice their own faith.

Baha'i Internet Agency Guidelines

Monitoring use of the social networking site Facebook

In February, 2008, Matthew Weinberg, Program Director for the Baha'i Internet Agency, released the following email letter on behalf of the Haifan Baha'i administration (see Baha'i Faith). The letter refers to the activities of the "Covenant-breaker Martin Lavallee", a member of the schismatic Orthodox Baha'is and warns members of the Haifan Baha'i community against possible 'exposure' to this individual arising from contact on the social networking site, Facebook. "Covenant breaking" is a term employed by the Haifan Baha'is to refer to groups and individuals who challenge "the authority of the center of the Baha'i Faith", which in this context refers to the authority of the Universal House of Justice, and is considered "the most serious spiritual offence that a Bahá'í can commit. It's called Covenant-Breaking and is considered to be a spiritual disease and is punished by expulsion from the community."[8]

"28 February 2008

To All National Spiritual Assemblies

Dear Bahá'í Friends,

We have been requested by the World Centre to alert you to the current activities of the Covenant-breaker Martin Lavallee on Facebook.com. This individual administers the "Orthodox Bahá'is" page on Facebook and also has a personal page on the site. There have been recent instances where Bahá'í youth with accounts on Facebook have unwittingly accepted invitations from Lavallee to be a "friend" or to become "members" of the Covenant-breaker page. Further, as a consequence of the Facebook networking scheme, if an individual accepts a direct invitation from Lavallee or any other member of his group, the "Friends" list (with e-mail addresses) of that individual becomes exposed. In this way, those with insincere intentions have the potential to directly contact an increasing number of Bahá'is, interactions that could pose a threat to the spiritual well-being of youth and other believers who are not deepened in the Covenant.

Each National Assembly will need to determine the necessity and most appropriate manner of discreetly informing believers of this situation in consultation and with the assistance of the Counsellors. In doing so it will of course be important to avoid creating undue anxiety or curiosity about the nature of Covenant-breaker material on the Internet..

It is our intention to provide more general guidance in the near future about how online social networks can be constructively and safely used by Bahá'ís.

With loving greetings,

Matt Weinberg Program Director Bahá'í Internet Agency