Ex-Bahai turned Sufi spied on and harrassed between continents by the Baha'...

Get to know Omid Hazini: SARBAZ

//omidhaziniisacriminal.blogspot.com/2010/06/omid-hazini-lunatic-criminal.html

Get to know WAHID AZAL/NUR aka NIMA HAZINI the dope head.

//punchkids.net/2007/03/20/wahid-azal/

Wahid Azal (born 1971 in Tehran, Iran) is originally Nima Hazini who is an Australian-Iranian controversial writer, gnostic/esotericist and self-proclaimed Babi prophet of the age. In 2004 he legally changed his name using the opportunity to declare himself the return of the Bayani holy figure Subh-i-Azal. As a child Azal lived in West Germany and Iran. With his family he left his native land for the United States at the beginning of the Iranian Revolution in 1979. The family subsequently moved to Australia in 1982. In 1989 after completing his high school Azal returned to the United States. He studied at the University of New Mexico and briefly in California. Until mid-1999 he was also the American representative of the Safialishahi branch of the Iranian Ni’matullahi Sufi order. In May 1999 Azal returned to the Gold Coast in Queensland, Australia from the east coast of the United States where he has remained ever since. From that time onwards Azal has become notorious as the foremost public antagonist against the main Haifan branch of the Baha’i Faith/Baha’i on the internet.

In early 2006 Azal self-published his first among several projected opuses which he entitled Liber Decatriarchia Mystica: Sketchings of the Thirteen Encompassing Spheres of the Tree of Reality and assorted material. In this book he introduces a thirteen sphere cabalistic model of the universe and rewrites the Book of Creation/Sefer Yetzirah attributed to Abraham. The remainder of the book contains historical material related to the Bayani religion to which Azal adheres.

In recent years Wahid Azal has become an advocate for the use of the Amazonian psychoactive tea known as Ayahuasca. He presently co-heads an Ayahuasca Sufi Order known as the Fatimiya. He also heads the Ecclesia Gnostica Bayani Universalis and is a founding member of the N.U.R. Group.

Nima Hazini,U are not worth the breath to be spent on you

Nima Hazini,

U are not even worth the time and the breath to be spent on you. Now before you turn around and accuse me of being a Baha'i, let me be the first to announce that I am a born and raised muslim, and proud of it. I also have known and followed your garbage over the years. You are a disgrace to the human kind. Your head and your ideas (Just like your proficy) is a fake ploy to steal more money from people, just like those that you have stolen from in Australia.

You are a convicted drug dealer and you are on Drugs. This is a fact and everyone knows it. Now you have lost your mind completley and have claimed to be a PROFIT.......Are you out of your freaking mind you stupid idiot?

Israfil = Badi Villar Cardenas

About,

//badivillarcardenas.blogspot.com/

Corrections: Wahid Azal has threatened to empty a clip only in front of any member of the Baha'i Internet Agency he meets, not any Baha'i. Just as members of the Taliban cannot be dealt with in any other expedient manner than emptying clips in their general direction, so too with members of the Baha'i Internet Agency.

Wahid Azal

Wahid Azal (Nur)

Nima Hazini (aka Wahid Azal) claims (in TRB) to own a Glock .357, an "Israeli made semi-automatic .357", and a 12 gauge shotgun, and has threatened to "empty a clip" in the direction of any Baha'i he meets.
And Nima is considered himself to be a victim. Hilarious!

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No, I am commiunicating a firm promise, that if you demons even show

your ugly presences anywhere close to my physical vicinity, I have no

problems emptying clips in your general direction.

W

About Haifan Bahais

Start HERE (Sourcewatch): //www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith See as well, BAHA'I INTERNET AGENCY, 

//www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Agency

SECTS OF BAHAIS: A Taxonomy of Baha'i Sects, //www.sectsofbahais.com/

&

Documentary film by independent Israeli film maker Naama Pyritz:
BAHA'IS IN MY BACKYARD
//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

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US NSA (US BAHA'I NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY) vs OBF (Orthodox Baha'i Faith)

Recent court victory by the Orthodox Baha'is, and the suit brought by the Haifan Bahai organization against them:
//trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html

Judge's decision
//www.truebahai.info/court/139-opinion.pdf

**Appellate hearing (Feb 2009)***
//www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/LF1FFZY0.mp3

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BAHAI Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel, Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite, Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence, Harass... etc., etc....  CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

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THEORY OF BAHA’I LYING & EQUIVOCATION

See Susan Stiles Maneck,
//bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm
WISDOM AND DISSIMULATION IN THE BAHA’I WRITINGS: The Use and meaning of Hikmat in the Baha’i Writings

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"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith."

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BAHA'I ADMINISTRATIVE IDOLATRY & STALINISM

QUOTE
"We don't want to be like those people who want to see God with their own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears, because we have been given the gift of being able to see through the eyes of the House of Justice and listen through the ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai Counselor Rebeque Murphy

To hear this section of her talk go to:
//media1.bahai.us/tab/Highlights/Sunday/30_Counselor_Murphy_Rema...

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BAHAI NOTIONS of FREEDOM of CONSCIENCE according to EX-UHJ member DOUGLAS MARTIN --  Monday, September 23, 2001

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/DMartin.htm

Quote 

"We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our
individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha'i belief. In the
end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in
the  greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal
convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is
supreme is equivalent to "taking partners with God" which is abhorrent to the Teachings of the Faith."
//www.bahai-library.org/talks/martin.watson.html

NOTE especially, S.G. Wilson,
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4, 1914
&
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2, 1914-1915.
at,
//wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidocuments%28westernsources%29

See as well, BAHAISM AND THE BRITISH
//bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home

BAHA’I CONTROL ON THEIR ELECTORAL SYSTEM – EXPOSED (Structural
features of Bahai Stalinism)
//groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...

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In
Ma'idih-i-Asmani, vol. 4, page 355
//reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.html

Translation by Wahid Azal (Jan. 7, 2009)
Chapter 11

The Critics of the Cause of God (munkirin-i-amru'llah)

The Ancient Beauty in the Tablet of Habib from Maragha, which begins with "H B hear the call of God from the direction of the throne by the protective signs/verses (bi-ayati muhayyimin)..etc." they [i.e. Husayn 'Ali Nuri] enunciate the command (mi-farmayand) [i.e. state],

By God, the Truth, whomsoever criticizes it [i.e. Baha'ism], [which is] possessed of the manifest, the brilliant, the high and the perspicuous excellence, it behoveth him to ask his mother [yanbaghi lahu bi-an yas'al min ummihi] about his origins [or 'state', i.e.'hal', meaning he should inquire his mother about his legitimate conception – trans.], for he shall return to the nethermost hell [asfal al-jahim]"…

In Promulgation of Universal Peace p. 322 the following is quoted by 'Abbas Effendi from a prayer by his father, cf. THE BAHA'I FAITH AND ISLAM (ed.) Heshmat Moayyad (The Association for Baha'i Studies: Ottawa, 1990), p.23

O God! Whomsoever violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily whosoever violates My Covenant, erase and efface him.

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See as well,
//www.bayanic.com [CLICK tab BAHAISM]

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

More on NUR, believe it or not...quite sad either way.

//iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/early-heartfelt-message-about-nima-wahid-azal-nur-old-friend

Haifan Baha'ism is now exposed and it is now evident why...

//www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith

NUR is finally exposed - READ ALL ABOUT IT !

//iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/source-watch-0

DETNUR

No shame...you answer first

1) Who are you and what is your real name?

2)  What creed or organization do you belong to?

3) What position do you occupy?

4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?

 5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?

6) What are your goals to that end?

7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?

8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?

9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?

10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?

11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?

12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?

13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy? 

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?

See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.

NUR-It is now clear that you are ashamed to answer these Qs

1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling? How do you know?  Any references you can site?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

and finally...

12) Why don't you answer these basic questions? 

Even if you don't have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the answers.

DETNUR

Your answer same as before...

None of your business.

Now answer a few of mine,

1) Who are you and what is your real name?

2)  What creed or organization do you belong to?

3) What position do you occupy?

4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?

 5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?

6) What are your goals to that end?

7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?

8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?

9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?

10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?

11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?

12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?

13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy? 

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?

See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.

NUR - Now that you are responding now try answering the question

1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling? How do you know?  Any references you can site?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

and finally...

12) Why don't you answer these basic questions? 

Even if you don't have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the answers.

DETNUR

None of your business

None of your business.

Now answer a few of mine,

1) Who are you and what is your real name?

2)  What creed or organization do you belong to?

3) What position do you occupy?

4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?

 5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?

6) What are your goals to that end?

7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?

8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?

9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?

10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?

11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?

12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?

13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy? 

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?

See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.

NUR - Just answer these questions

1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

Don't get frustrated, just answer these questions.  Looking in the mirror can't be that bad.  (or is it?)

DETNUR

Get busy

 "LET DEAD BURY THE DEAD"...

So get busy... 

413

413 Replenishment!!!

"LET DEAD BURY THE DEAD".. take this up with his Holiness Jesus first since you talk to the godshead.
Its only been 2009 years and only the dead still dont get the meaning.

Replenishment

You have to ask how these dead branches can still manage to live and speak after all this time and still create all this angst in you people, faryarm. Says something about the nature of the tree they fell from, doesn't it, i.e. the shajara-ye zaqum? Funny, though, this sort of characterization of people using the language of dead branch, dead tree this and that is precisely the same sort of characteristic hate-speech the mullahs use about you Baha'is. So what is the difference between you and them vis-a-vis your critics and dissenters? Nothing! Should you people gain political power you would do exactly the same thing as they, and one of your former House members is actually on record for saying this.

By the way, note that in the natural cycles of nature, especially where plants and foliage are concerned, dead contents, particularly shrubbery and branches, always end up replenshing the living growths and their roots. If you have ever gardened, you would know this. Withal, note as well that the employment of organicistic language has been a hallmark of fascist and totalitarian discourses. Thanks for proving it yet again in your own case. Where is the resident political scientist here to say this to these people?

413

Mention: Dead Branches

Forgot to mention...

 I forgot to mention Frederick Glaysher's Reform Baha'is which is an ideological successor to the breakaway group originally founded by Mirza Ahmad Sohrab and Julie Chanler. Reform Bahai rejects the present UHJ and the guardianship as well. They are a sort of democratic Baha'ism. Earlier some of these ideas of a Baha'ism without administration had been advanced by American Ruth White who questioned the legitimacy of the will and testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha and wrote several indictments of it, one of which she co-authored under the title A Fraudulent Document Devalues the Baha'i Religion into Political Shoghism. The German Free Baha'i movement was inspired by Ruth White. Ruth White later renounced Baha'ism altogether and became a committed (and quite successful) follower of the Indian-Parsi guru Meher Baba.  

There is also the Unenrolled/Liberal Baha'i sect, which accepts the UHJ on principle, but rejects the current reactionary political culture of the Haifan Baha'i community and administration. These people identify themselves as Haifan Bahais but as loyal opposition to it. They also believe that women should be able to serve on the UHJ, which the current situation disallows. The sect was originally founded by University of Michigan Professor Juan R. I Cole, who withdrew his Haifan Baha'i membership in 1996 and joined the American Unitarian Universalist Church. Today the Unenrolled/Liberal Baha'i sect and its agenda is represented by Alison Marshall - who was formally disenfranchised by the UHJ in 2000 and declared to not be a Bahai - and her gay husband Steve Marshall. American Karen Bacquet and New Zealand-Dutch Sen McGlinn are also prominent representatives of this specific sect. These Unenrolled/Liberal Baha'is can be compared to the reformists under the Islamic republic, especially in their description of themselves as loyal opposition.

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Alborz's spin/and answer to B

Alborz, apprarently Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-Azal had a vendetta too; as did all the Bayanis your profit had murdered; as did August Strensand; EG Browne; ALM Nicolas; Abdu'l-Husayn Ayati; Fayzullah Sobhi; Mahnaz Ra'ufi and countless thousands who have been trampled over mercilessly by your cult. But, yes, I am on a Holy Crusade to expose you people to the world as dangerous, malicious and power-hungry cultists who pose an immediate and present danger to freedom and peace of future generations, being that you are totalitarian religious Stalinists and fascists without equal. And it appears I am succeeding given the amount of resources and man-power your corrupt administration has invested in trying to shut me down and discredt what I say!

B, I actually responded to your question but it appears it was not to the ideological liking of one of the moderators who deleted my response. So much for nothing being sacred on iranian.com! First, I am not a Bahai but a Bayani. Two completely different things. Presently there are roughly 9 to 11/12 various Baha'i sects. I'll give you the most important.

The predominant sect is the Haifan Bahai's. These are the Baha'is who follow the Haifa based UHJ (Universal House of Justice) who are the main group propagandizing here. Next you have the various Orthodox Baha'i groups. These are those Baha'is who believe in a continuing guardianship after Shoghi Effendi Rabbani (d. 1957). They are divided amnongst themselves, but the most prominent of them are the Orthodox Baha'is following Joel Bray Marangella as the third guardian. Marangella's successor in waiting is an Iranian living in Perth by the name of Nosrat Bahremand.  The world headquarters of the Marangellist Orthodox Baha'is is I believe still Las Vegas, New Mexico. But both the present Marangellist guardian and his successor in waiting live in Perth, Western Australia.

The next Orthodox Baha'i group of significance is the group following the Frenchman Jacques Soghomonian. The only member I know of who has identified themselves as being Soghomonian's follower publically is the American Brent Reed, who was earlier a follower of Marangella but was later excommunicated by him. It appears that in his position as guardian Soghomonian has relaxed some of the tough ordinances of the Kitab-i-Aqdas, since they are known to drink wine and Soghomonian's only picture known to me has him posing with a glass of red wine. I guess you can take the wine out of the Frenchman but not the Frenchman out of the wine!

Another group is the one calling itself the Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant. This is the group that follows the ideas of Leland Jensen, who orignally broke away from the first of the Orthodox Baha'i factions. The BUPC believes in a hodge-podge mix of Baha'i doctrine and Christian apocalyptism. They have been publically predicting the end of the world since the 1970s. Leland Jensen apparently served some time in jail as well. He is dead now and I am not aware of who his present successor is.

Another guardianist Baha'i faction are the Tarbiyyat Baha'is. The Tarbiyyat Baha'is believe that the UHJ and the various Orthodox Baha'i guardians are all fake and illegitimate, and that the true guardian is in occultation (ghaybat) and will appear in the fullness of time. I have no information as to who the present head or composition of this group might be. They are based in the United States. These people are of interest to me because some of their conclusions about what happened in 1957 and thereafter are my own, independently arrived. This is a whole other discussion, but to put it in a nutshell it appears that Shoghi Effendi Rabbani - contrary to what all parties claim - had actually left a will and testament designating a successor after him from amongst his own kin, i.e. the Afnans. I believe this will and testament still exists, and there is compelling prima facie evidence that it does, but has been deliberately suppressed. Linked to this issue of the suppressed will and testament, it would appear Shoghi Effendi Rabbani was actually murdered in a carefully orchestrated coup d'etat in London (where he died mysteriously of the common cold and where his body was never allowed for an autopsy) that involved full cooperation in the plot by his Canadian socialite pseudo-wife Ruhiyyih Maxwell. I say pseudo-wife, because  there are persistent rumors that Shoghi Effendi was actually gay and that his marriage to the woman was political and one of convenience. Following his death, Ruhiyyih Maxwell Rabbani became the most powerful individual in the Haifan Baha'i organization until her death.

Those Baha'is who do not follow either the UHJ or Orthodox Baha'is or consider any notion of guardianship are the Unitarian Baha'is. These are mainly the descendents of Baha'u'llah himself through his sons Mirza Muhammad 'Ali and Mirza Badi'ullah, i.e. the two sons disenfranchised by Abbas Effendi 'Abdu'l-Baha. Most of them are in the Middle East, specifically Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan, although I ran into a Unitarian Baha'i family from Syria right here in Australia a couple of years ago. One of these descendents was recently interviewed prominently by Israeli documentary film-maker Naama Pyritz in Baha'is In My Backyard (which you should watch):

//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

I've left others out and simplified somewhat, but anything you need as to further clarification, fire away!

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Vendetta vs. Grievance...know this difference also!

It is now clear that you have NO grievance that needs to be addressed or responded to, but a rather a severe case of vendetta. 

Clearly your belief system has failed to give you Peace and you are hurting.

May you find Peace in whatever it is you believe in.

Alborz

NUR English please

Explain to us in simple terms the differences in Bahai factions. If you want to get our interest make it easy for us. If not, you can go on and on and no one cares.

I asked you in your other blog and you didn't answer. Forget about bashing Bahaism if you are an x-Bahai. That is not interesting. What is interesting is the factions in Bahais that we (at least I) don't know about.

Mistreating a 90 year old man is certainly not good. He can easily be Bab or Bahaullah's grand child in terms of age.

"امّا از طرفی دیگر طرد روحانی دارد "

طرد به شکلهای مختلف در جامعه وجود دارد . در مدارس، دانشگاه ها ، ادارات ، حکومت و خانواده اگر دانش آموز و یا دانشجویی از قوانین موجود و وضع شده سرپیچی نماید با روشهای دیگری او را آگاه و اگر نتیجه نبخشید به جهت حفظ محیط تحصیلی آن فرد اخراج می گردد . یا به عبارتی از محیط دانشگاه یا مدرسه طرد می شود . کانون خانواده را در نظر آورید اگر فرزند خانواده بخواهد قوانین منزل را که به جهت حفظ نظم و آرامش ، برای همه در نظر گرفته شده ، برهم زند والدین ابتداء با روش های مختلف سعی در آگاه کردن فرزند خود می نمایند و اگر موثر نباشد او را از بعضی امور دور و منع می کنند .

حکم طرد تنها در بین روابط انسانی نیست بلکه از لحاظ جسمانی و روانی هم شامل می گردد . در جامعه انواع بیماریهای خطرناک و مسری مانند جذام ، تیفوس ، سارس و.... وجود دارد . یا افراد معتاد ، مجنون ، اشرار ، سارقین و ... هستند که هر یک از سازمانهای مخصوص به جهت حفظ امنیّت و آرامش و سلامتی جامعه و مردم به طرق مختلف این افراد را از سایرین دور و به عبارتی طرد می نماید.حتّی در مسابقات ورزشی اگر ورزشکار از قبول قوانین امتناع ورزد از گروه طرد می شود .بنابراین افراد در هر مکان و در هر دسته و به هر علّتی در کنار هم قرار بگیرند برای بقای خود و زندگی راحت یک سری قوانینن را در بین خود وضع نموه تا این پیوند از هم نگسلد و اختلالی در آن ایجاد نشود . پس نمی توان طرد را امری بدوی انگاشت زیرا لازمهء امنیّت و اتحاد است و برای ادامهء حیات ضروری و عدم آن سبب هرج و مرج و انشقاق می شود.

در مقاله ایی با عنوان ( طرد ، تنبیهی زجرآور مربوط به جوامع ابتدایی ) که در تاریخ جمعه 10 آذر 1385 توسط سر دبیر در سایت ( پژوهشی پیرامون بهائیّت ) آمده ، نویسنده وجود چنین تنبیه و اخراجی را با اهداف متعالی دیانت بهایی متناقض می داند . که ظاهرا نمی توان قبول نمود که آئینی خود را جهانی معرفی نماید " منادی وحدت عالم انسانی " و " مبلّغ وحدت ادیان " باشد ، خود را " متناسب با ارزشهای دنیای جدید معرفی کند " امّا از طرفی دیگر طرد روحانی دارد " و اشاره گردیده " چنین مجازاتهایی یادآور ساز و کار تشکیلات مخوفی مثل کمونیسم
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Misdirection misdirection misdirection lie lie lie

Alborzi, like I said to you before, you obviously live in an Orwellian Planet Baha'i  and you will say and do anything when your faith and its administration are made to look like the creeps, crooks and fascists that they are. Spying and informing on people between continents - esp. when they no longer formally belong to your cult - is harrassment. If the shoe was on the other foot, and this was the IRI, you would be raising hell all over the place right now saying that the mullahs were spying on you and violating your human rights - which BTW is regularly what you people do anyway. Inciting a body or a group of persons to be alert to someone's movements and association and activities with other people without cause at law, constitutes harrassment, not to mention stalking and an HR violation (i.e. because it was intercontinental). In both the US and Australia what your NSAs did was also tout court illegal because it constitutes a form of libel which could even be legally formulated as a Tort in Common Law; this, esp. as neither the NSAs of the US or Australia are governments, judicial bodies or law enforcement agencies.

Had I been cashed up at the time, I would've cherished the opportunity to haul at least the Australian NSA into a courtroom and make them answer for this. But note well, even though there are statutes of limitations on defamatory events in Australia, such material is in fact admissable into evidence in perpetu; meaning, when I finally get my day in court with yall, this and other juicy tidbits will be stairing a judge and jury straight in the face. And that day is not too far off, insha'Llah! Maybe you can come and be a spectator in the gallery as I humiliate your cult inside a Western Common Law, non-shar'ia courtroom - just as the Orthodox Baha'is and the Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant just did in Illinois. Note that religious persecution is also another charge I plan to nail your organization with, and there will be Bayanis, Orthodox Baha'is, ex-Bahais and a few others following me right into a courtroom to testify against your organization. Count on it....

vasa'el-i-vosul be-husn-i-khatimih majhul...   ;-)

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JJ

I have read a number of blogs by various people in the past several weeks which tend to show the 'Negative' aspects of the Bahai Faith. I know that some of them are ridiculous, and perhaps even over-the-top!

Yet, myself, as a Non-Bahai, I have a limited knowledge of the Bahai Faith. As you know, the Bahai people who blog here, tend to represent the 'Positive' aspects of the faith.

Wouldn't it be more balanced to 'Feature' both the Positive and the Negative aspects of the Bahai Faith on your front page. I can't remember the last time that I saw a blog which showed the negative aspects of the faith - Just a thought!

Spin and more spin....where's the harassment?

This looks like a letter between two administrative bodies.  Where is the harassment in this letter? Perhaps we need to revisit the definition of harassment:

Harassment refers to a wide spectrum of offensive behaviour. The term commonly refers to behaviour intended to disturb or upset.

This letter simply informs and does not involve any behaviour that can remotely affect you or your activities and conduct.   If I take a flu shot or avoid contact with an infected person, am I harassing the flu virus?!!  Irrespective of which continent this flu is coming from or going to and what type it is, public health authorities are obligated to inform the population.  It is then an individual's responsibility as to what measures they adopt to protect themselves against an infection.  I hope that you see the absurdity of your supposition that the flu virus is being harassed by protective measures!!

Based on what you have posted so far, I can't conclude anything other than that your rhetoric (blog title) is intended to provoke while your so called evidence (posted letters) is just a space filler.

I wish you Peace in  your life and I mean this sincerely.

Be Well,

Alborz

Just for Alborz

This was posted following a request from Alborz. 

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