God & Satan, Adam & Eve and the Kabbalah

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God & Satan, Adam & Eve and the Kabbalah
by NUR
02-Apr-2009
 

لا اله الا الله  

Amongst some of the pre-Zoharic schools of the Kabbalah the symbol of the Tree of Knowledge (etz ha-da’at) – i.e. the Tree from which in the Book of Genesis God forbad Adam and Eve to eat – and the Tree of Life (etz ha-chayyim) are held to be the same Tree and thus the same linked symbol looked at from differing perspectives. An anonymous Kabbalistic treatise probably written in the twelfth century, entitled the Secret of the Tree of Knowledge (sod etz ha-da’at), outright asserts that the two trees are “fundamentally one: they grow from a common root, in which masculine and feminine, the giving and the receiving, the creative and the reflective, are one” (G. Scholem “Sitra Ahra: Good and Evil in the Kabbalah” in On the Mystical Shape of the Godhead, New York, 1991, p. 70). Within the model of the sephirotic Tree of Life – i.e. the symbolic Kabbalistic representation of the universe –  two divisions bifurcate the Tree into two pillars: the pillar of Mercy (chesed) on the right-hand side and the pillar of Severity (din) on the left-hand side. Similarly in mystical Islam this is held as the dual attributes of Beauty (jamal) and Majesty (jalal), which manifest as the divine attributes of Mercy (rahma) and Wrath (qahr).

 Boldly disclosing a secret that other Kabbalists have only cryptically indicated, the author of the anonymous treatise then asserts that the Tree of Knowledge represents the Pillar of Severity, or the left-hand side of the Tree of Life, which by itself (when separated or divided from its other side) projects the satanic image of God. Now the Tree of Life is the model of the emanations, as well as the stages of the inner life, of the Godhead from Its station of total concealment, transcendence, hiddeness  and  unknowability into the stages of the creative manifestation of the world. When our anonymous Kabbalist author holds to the position he does, much like Mansur al-Hallaj in Islamic Sufism (as set-out in his Kitâb al-Tawâsîn), he is also simultaneously asserting the fundamental unity of God and the Devil. In other words, in this perspective, Satan is no more than a theophany (tajallî), or a specifically projected (or fragmented, maybe even broken) image, of the Divine Itself – nothing more.

 

That stated, the author goes on to say that so long as the two trees are connected as a single Tree, the Tree of Life (mercy) predominates over the power of severity (wrath), i.e. the Tree of Knowledge, which is the harsh and critical power within the Godhead, that the author conceives as the image of the Devil. Contraction (what the Sufis call ‘qabz’) is therefore complemented by expansion (‘bast’), both of which are the dual processes of the Godhead’s inhalation and exhalation of existence into being and then into destruction and annihilation. Now severity (din), as a restrictive quality, tends to seek independent existence. However, this tendency is constantly overwhelmed by the flow of divine life and divine grace, so that it remains a mere possibility – the great fire of the “Holy One blessed be He that only consumes when it is no longer confined within the framework of its original harmony” (ibid).

Satan’s independent being is thus, symbolically, a consequence of the decision of Adam who, by his improper contemplation of the Divine, caused a separation within the Godhead that had a baleful effect on all creation. In other words, it was Adam who created the Devil by his contemplation, not God. Looked at another way, the Serpent of the Tree of Knowledge only becomes the Serpent as Devil in the erroneous and fragmented contemplation of Adam himself. This is quite similar to a position held by the Sethian Gnostics in antiquity who held the Serpent of the Tree in the story of Genesis to actually be the True Divinity while Yahweh (whom they dubbed Ialdoboath), who expelled Adam and Eve from the Garden, the real villian. In this novel Kabbalistic re-interpretation of the Sethian Gnostic allegory the villian is actually created, or birthed, by the conception of Adam himself, and not by the Godhead in its elevated Unity.

We can also infer from the perspective of the Qur’an and suggest that the Iblis who refuses God’s command to bow down to Adam in pre-creation is in fact, cipherically speaking, a facet of Adam himself, or the concupiscent aspect of the human ego that witnesses the world through fragments, wilfully misperceives the Truth in its whole, and so refuses the Truth, as it were. Hallaj, on the other hand, also suggests that the Devil’s disobedience of God in pre-eternity was actually the act of the perfect lover refusing to love any other (or to even conceive of an ‘Other’) but the Beloved (mahbûb) even if the Beloved commands it so. Disobedience here thus becomes a symbol for initiatic passage and apotheosis with Hallaj that now suggests as a corrolary the role of the Devil as the gatekeeper par excellence to the Godhead’s Tawhid (unicity) through whom all the true gnostics (‘urafa) must eventually pass in order to attain perfect union with the Divine (wisâl).

 

Returning to the Kabbalah: Our anonymous Kabbalist goes on to say that when Adam plucked and ate of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, he allowed the power acting in the Tree of Knowledge (i.e. the principle of Severity) to operate upon it in isolation. This power was thereby removed from its position within the spheres of the Tree of Life and now gained control over Adam as the satanic principle of evil. The nature of evil is therefore the separation and isolation of those things that should be united – and, conversly, the separation of the false unities which should be isolated because they are in reality negation. As should be noted, the language, argumentation and symbolism here is thoroughly alchemical – and this in itself is instructive because it suggests the stages of the Great Work of alchemy as symbolic microcosmic instances of the greater creative Divine process itself.

Given this, the point is made that so long as humanity absorbs this separation between severity and mercy, the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life – this being here the meaning of the ‘eating of the fruit,’ which belongs to the fruits of the soul – it creates inauthentic, false systems of reality, productive of evil – i.e. that which is separated from the Divine. Both humanity’s experience of reality and its moral nature are thus damaged by this misguided contemplation. Only through the acts of righteousness and the acts of prophets and saints – even when such acts may appear to contravene standards and appear as their opposite – annul this separation of the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge. And through such annulment a person can become reconnected to the original world of unity, which is authentically beyond mundane notions of good and evil, in which evil as evil will no longer be evil because it will have been restored to its proper station of holiness. Meaning, whatever the evil, once marshalled in the totality of its struggle to restore the pristine unity, thereby loses its exclusively satanic element and itself serves the good by being reabsorbed into the Good in its root. Among other reasons, this is why several readings of the Book of Job have Satan-Lucifer in the position of accuser standing on the right hand of God Himself, in fact as an Archangel. Suggestions as to the connection between the symbolism of Lucifer-Satan and the Chief Archangel Metatron are legion in the more radical interpretations of the Kabbalah.

 

In the related Kabbalistic doctrine of the Tikkunim Olam (the restoration of the world) it is held that acts of righteousness will restore the sparks of divinity trapped in matter from the beginning of creation and elevate them back to their spiritual realities.  This doctrine is also connected to the doctrine of the coming of the Messiah and the final, complete Redemption of the World through Him. Note there are symbolic connections between Messiah, Metatron and Shekinah. Without getting into further details of messianic speculation, one interesting point that several Kabbalistic texts assert, including the Zohar, is that whereas at the beginning of creation Adam was unprepared to eat of the ‘fruit’, and his eating thereof became the cause of his banishment and separation from the Garden of Eden; in the End Times, on the other hand, Adam will have truly become ready to eat of the fruit of the Tree – and by rejoining the two trees as One Tree - thereby worthy of re-entry back into the Garden of Eden. In the Kabbalah and throughout much of the non-Christian gnostic and esoteric systems of the Abrahamic Tradition (especially in Mandaean Gnosis) the symbolism of Adam is often seen as a cipher linked to the symbol of the Messiah Himself - with all the prophets and saints being mere christophanies of Adam, as it were, with the final one of this universal cycle of hierophanies being Adam himself come as the Redeemer: i.e. the one fallen at the beginning being the savior rising at the end of time, i.e. the saved savior, the redeemed redeemer; descent is complemented by ascent!

 

And what of the meaning of the ‘fruit’, the ‘One Tree’ and the re-entry back into the Garden of Eden? All of these symbols denote the same thing from various loci of perception or waystations of realization, and that is, gnosis (‘irfân). But the key to this realization, the important element, as several more radical Kabbalists have repeatedly suggested, cryptically lies in the passage of Genesis 3:20 and the name of Eve (Hebrew cHava  חוה, Arabic Hawâ’ حوأ) which is shorthand for “the Mother of All-Living” (em koll hayy חי כל אמ).

 

Etymologically, the name ‘Eve’ (חוה) and the Aramaic words ‘life’ (חיה) and ‘serpent’ (חויא) derive from the same root. But the title “the Mother of All-Living” is also as well held by some as a title of the Shekinah (the feminine presence of the Godhead) – i.e. the Arabic ‘Sakina’ that also means here the Divine ‘Dwelling’ (from the root s-k-n  سكن). When now the symbolism of ‘Serpent’, ‘Tree’ and ‘Woman’ are juxtaposed we are through biblical myth and symbology actually deciphering an Abrahamic version of the symbolism of the Kundalini well known in Tantric Yoga.  Put another way, and this is the explicit position of the Great Andalusian Sufi Master Muhyiddin Ibn ‘Arabi (d. 1240), perhaps God manifests through woman in order for man to realize and unite with God – and vice versa. This is because the most sacred temple or mosque of divine worship is when sex - reclaimed both from the clutches of contemporary materialist degradation as well as fundamentalist religious narratives of shame - becomes the highest and truest of holy sacraments.

 

Let me now quote a passage from Siyyid ‘Alî Muhammad Shîrazî, the Bâb, from his very first extensive work, the Commentary on the Surah of the Cow (al-baqara),

 

And a thing may not draw nigh to [anything] beyond its origin. So when Adam drew nigh to the Tree of Reality (shajarat’ul-haqîqa) shining forth from Fatima [i.e. the transfiguration of Eve] by means of the drawing nigh of existence, he disobeyed his Lord, because God commanded him not to approach it, except through ecstasy (al-wijdân). Because at the time of ecstasy the “thing drawn nigh unto” is the Tree and nothing other than it.

 

(Trans. Todd Lawson, “The Authority of the Feminine and Fatima’s Place in an Early Work by the Bab,” 2001, p. 113).

 

To close, a deep meditation and complete re-appraisal of the symbolism of the Tarot trump card known as the ‘Devil’ is now in order.

 

Solvé et coagula!

 

Wahîd Azal

 

 

    ١٤ شهر احد  يوم  وجود سنة ٤ نور

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CAUTION NON-BAHAIS: Baha'i Hate-Mongering & Libel

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 BAHAI Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS


"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel, Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite, Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence, Harass... etc., etc....  CAUTION NON-BAHAIS


1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

Professor Juan Cole, February 23, 1999:

"There is nothing to be puzzled by. Right wing Baha'is only like to hear the sound of their own voices ...Obviously, the world is so constructed that they cannot in fact only hear their own voices. They are forced to hear other voices that differ from theirs. This most disturbs them when the voices come from enrolled Baha'is or when the voices speak of the Baha'i faith. The way they sometimes deal with the enrolled Baha'is is to summon them to a heresy inquiry and threaten them with being shunned if they do not fall silent. With non-Baha'is or with ex-Baha'is, they deal with their speech about the faith by backbiting, slandering and libelling the speaker. You will note that since I've been on this list I have been accused of long-term heresy, of "claiming authority," of out and out lying (though that was retracted, twice), of misrepresentation, of 'playing fast and loose with the facts,' and even of being 'delusional.' I have been accused of all these falsehoods by *Baha'is*, by prominent Baha'is. I have been backbitten by them. This shows that all the talk about the danger a sharp tongue can do, all the talk about the need for harmony, for returning poison with honey, for a sin-covering eye, is just *talk* among right wing Baha'is. No one fights dirtier than they when they discover a voice they cannot silence and cannot refute."
//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole71.htm

See, www.juancole.com

&

Sourcewatch article, Baha'i Faith

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CAUTION DETOUR AHEAD

A complete profile on NUR now emerging...

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NUR

Haifan Baha'ism is now exposed and it is evident why...

by NUR on


CAUTION DETOUR AHEAD

NUR is finally exposed and it is now very clear why ....

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NUR

No shame...you answer first

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1) Who are you and what is your real name?

2)  What creed or organization do you belong to?

3) What position do you occupy?

4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?

 5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?

6) What are your goals to that end?

7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?

8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?

9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?

10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?

11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?

12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?

13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy? 

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?

See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.


CAUTION DETOUR AHEAD

NUR- It is now clear that you are ashamed to answer these Qs

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1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling? How do you know?  Any references you can site?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

and finally...

12) Why don't you answer these basic questions? 

Even if you don't have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the answers.

DETNUR


NUR

Your answer same as before...

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None of your business.

Now answer a few of mine,

1) Who are you and what is your real name?

2)  What creed or organization do you belong to?

3) What position do you occupy?

4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?

 5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?

6) What are your goals to that end?

7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?

8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?

9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?

10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?

11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?

12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?

13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy? 

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?

See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.


CAUTION DETOUR AHEAD

NUR - Just answer questions before trying to ask them !

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1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling? How do you know?  Any references you can site?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

and finally...

12) Why don't you answer these basic questions? 

Even if you don't have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the answers.

DETNUR


NUR

Faryar's Haifan Bahai Propaganda: CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

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You answer the questions put to you on Habib Sabet which you have avoided so far before accusing anyone of evasion.

Start HERE (Sourcewatch): //www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith See as well, BAHA'I INTERNET AGENCY, 

//www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Agency

SECTS OF BAHAIS: A Taxonomy of Baha'i Sects, //www.sectsofbahais.com/

&

Documentary film by independent Israeli film maker Naama Pyritz:
BAHA'IS IN MY BACKYARD
//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

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US NSA (US BAHA'I NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY) vs OBF (Orthodox Baha'i Faith)

Recent court victory by the Orthodox Baha'is, and the suit brought by the Haifan Bahai organization against them:
//trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html

Judge's decision
//www.truebahai.info/court/139-opinion.pdf

**Appellate hearing (Feb 2009)***
//www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/LF1FFZY0.mp3

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BAHAI Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel, Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite, Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence, Harass... etc., etc....  CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

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THEORY OF BAHA’I LYING & EQUIVOCATION

See Susan Stiles Maneck,
//bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm
WISDOM AND DISSIMULATION IN THE BAHA’I WRITINGS: The Use and meaning of Hikmat in the Baha’i Writings

Quote
"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith."

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BAHA'I ADMINISTRATIVE IDOLATRY & STALINISM

QUOTE
"We don't want to be like those people who want to see God with their own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears, because we have been given the gift of being able to see through the eyes of the House of Justice and listen through the ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai Counselor Rebeque Murphy

To hear this section of her talk go to:
//media1.bahai.us/tab/Highlights/Sunday/30_Counselor_Murphy_Rema...

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BAHAI NOTIONS of FREEDOM of CONSCIENCE according to EX-UHJ member DOUGLAS MARTIN --  Monday, September 23, 2001

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/DMartin.htm

Quote 

"We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our
individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha'i belief. In the
end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in
the  greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal
convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is
supreme is equivalent to "taking partners with God" which is abhorrent to the Teachings of the Faith
."
//www.bahai-library.org/talks/martin.watson.html

NOTE especially, S.G. Wilson,
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4, 1914
&
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2, 1914-1915.
at,
//wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidocuments%28westernsources%29

See as well, BAHAISM AND THE BRITISH
//bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home

BAHA’I CONTROL ON THEIR ELECTORAL SYSTEM – EXPOSED (Structural
features of Bahai Stalinism)
//groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...

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In
Ma'idih-i-Asmani, vol. 4, page 355
//reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.html

Translation by Wahid Azal (Jan. 7, 2009)
Chapter 11


The Critics of the Cause of God (munkirin-i-amru'llah)

The Ancient Beauty in the Tablet of Habib from Maragha, which begins with "H B hear the call of God from the direction of the throne by the protective signs/verses (bi-ayati muhayyimin)..etc." they [i.e. Husayn 'Ali Nuri] enunciate the command (mi-farmayand) [i.e. state],

 

By God, the Truth, whomsoever criticizes it [i.e. Baha'ism], [which is] possessed of the manifest, the brilliant, the high and the perspicuous excellence, it behoveth him to ask his mother [yanbaghi lahu bi-an yas'al min ummihi] about his origins [or 'state', i.e.'hal', meaning he should inquire his mother about his legitimate conception – trans.], for he shall return to the nethermost hell [asfal al-jahim]"…

In Promulgation of Universal Peace p. 322 the following is quoted by 'Abbas Effendi from a prayer by his father, cf. THE BAHA'I FAITH AND ISLAM (ed.) Heshmat Moayyad (The Association for Baha'i Studies: Ottawa, 1990), p.23


O God! Whomsoever violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily whosoever violates My Covenant, erase and efface him.

See as well,
//www.bayanic.com [CLICK tab BAHAISM]

 

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS


faryarm

Nur, Despite your Evasion:

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Your questions are easily answered; and strangely enough, with pleasure; I wonder if you Mr Nur/Nima/Wahid etc  would feel the same and reciprocate. ??

Despite your efforts that try to portray the Bahai Faith as a secretive society, most of what you have asked is accessible public knowledge; despite your   

desperate effort and use of your IRI  Style offensive terminology to Vilify Bahais. 

1) Who are you and what is your real name?

I am a Bahai with absolutely no rank. 

My real name is not important, although the Publisher and moderators have know me as well as many on this site who correspond with me , all well aware of my identity.

How well do they know you? 

2)  What creed or organization do you belong to?

I am an Iranian and a self declared Bahai.

3) What position do you occupy?

None, but a husband and a  famiy man. 

4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?

No I don’t work for any agency; I am familiar with the Bahai internet agency whose goal I believe is to help promote quality and accuracy in the research, study and presentation of Bahai material on the internet.

 5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?

Wisdom and Simple precaution against people whose language and attacks against Bahais, has shown them to be unbalanced, obsessed, even deranged.

6) What are your goals to that end?

Self improvement, laughter, Peace and amity, 

7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?

To show that you belong to a small fringe group, if any;  without any redeeming qualities, whose only aim is and has been to destroy the Bahai Faith, be they Azali, Bayani, or any arm of the IRI.

8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?

No, as member of any intelligence service, I would have to be much smarter and be able to lie and decieve all day. you may be a better candidate.

My only encounter with anything close to Mossad was when I went for Pilgrimage , where at the Airport,  the three ladies and gents  grilled me  for hours about my islamic name and as to why i was visiting Israel and  the “Bahai Gardens”.

9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran? 

No,The Bahais dont have to manufacture any stories; these days, the people of Iran are witnessing the day to day attacks in the media and persecution of Bahais ; everyone from school children, banned university students, boycotted small shopkeepers, businessmen with revoked licenses, old fathers and mothers who have lost thier retirement income, not to mention early morning attacks, arrests, prison, torture, and executions.

 

Not even the Dead are immune from attacks...

 

 

What would you consider your motivation to that end?

Nothing but the hope that one day people like you would stop your. lies , distortions, hatred and in the Name of ONE GOD and ONE HUMANITY, join a united effort to build harmony, instead of hate.

Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?

A loaded question and totally irrelevant question. The very wording of this incendiary question, speaks of your true intention and makes a strong case for your links to IRI.

But I will answer regardless, YOU know full well that Bahais want no part in any kind of partisan politics, especially against a Land they call HOLY;  the Cradle of their Faith and the Land of Baha’u’llah.

What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?

Bahais have no position, but for to put an end to war and hatred.

With Iran as Holy Land to not just Iranian Bahais , but to Bahais of all nations and backgrounds, what else can we wish for, but Peace and Prosperity for Iran and the world.

Bahais work and Pray for the establishment of peace throughout then world; they believe that it can only come about a s a result of an “act of consultative will” by the nations of the world.

//reference.bahai.org/en/t/uhj/PWP/pwp-5.html

Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy? 

Bahais Believe that, Islam has run its course; its teachings were never meant for the 20 and 21st centuries; and as Baha’u’llah cautioned:

"O people of the Koran," Bahá'u'lláh, addressing the combined forces of Sunni and Shi'ih Islám, significantly affirms, "Verily the Prophet Of God, Muhammad, sheddeth tears at the sight of your cruelty. Ye have assuredly followed your evil and corrupt desires, and turned away your face from the light of guidance. Erelong will ye witness the result of your deeds: for the Lord. My God, lieth in wait and is watchful of your behaviour ... O concourse of Muslim divines! By your deeds the exalted station of the people hath been abased, the standard of Islam hath been reversed, and mighty throne hath fallen."

Since  Baha’u’llah foresaw the day when the actions of the shia mullah has “abased” the people of Iran leading to the fall and “the standard of Islam” in the eyes of the people, to the extent that these days  the average conversation about religion and Islam amongst the young and the educated leads to these days to outright disgust and rejection. Iranians are sick of lies and the religious hypocricy they daily witness in the name of Islam.

I sincerely believe that the people of the world are spiritually straved, longing and reaching for meaning in their lives. That each perso has to take and experience that search and journey.

 As For Iran, I do believe that One day The Bahai Faith will be recognised in Iran; when Iranians will be free to choose and practice their faith freely. Whether The people of Iran will choose to accept Baha’u’llah  and his teachings as The Answer will depend on an absolutely free and unfettered personal search and investigation.

I also believe the inevitible Mullahs’/Azali/Bayani Nightmare  will come to pass, as  the people of Iran will soon give recognition to the Bahais for their longstanding and steadfast stand on Principle and Belief against the brutal persecution of the backward and corrupt Shia establishment, along with the machinations of Azali/Bayanis during the life of Baha’u’llah and Abdul-Baha.

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it

Nur,

Unlike you, these were my sincere  answers, 

Please try and do the same with courage if you can???

Faryarm 

 


NUR

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS: See Sourcewatch.Org

by NUR on

None of your business.

Now answer a few of mine,

1) Who are you and what is your real name?

2)  What creed or organization do you belong to?

3) What position do you occupy?

4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?

 5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?

6) What are your goals to that end?

7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?

8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?

9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?

10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?

11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?

12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?

13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy? 

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?

See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.


CAUTION DETOUR AHEAD

NUR - New question added to a growing list....don't disappoint !

by CAUTION DETOUR AHEAD on

1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling? How do you know?  Any references you can site?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

and finally...

12) Why don't you answer these basic questions? 

Even if you don't have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the answers.

DETNUR