Fighting Words

Sheer nonsense again

I am not a member or official of NIAC. I have met Trita Parisi only once in my life and that was in a conference. I have my differences with NIAC, but in its efforts against MEK I fully support NIAC.

Mammad

Another question for Mammad

As a NIAC official, I am sure that you are aware of the Saudi and CIA sponsored "Iran conference" that took place in Saudi Arabia, where NIAC was a featured attendee.  Knowing that Saudi is probably one of MEK supporters--or better yet---knowing that Saudi Arabia funds and supports Arab separatist movements in Iran, what do you have to say about NIAC's participation in that conference? 

James D. - I am not an MEK fan, for the same reasons that

I am not an IRI fan.  But I have watched this video, and I am quite curious as to who produced it.  

Do you know who made this video?  Because whenever I watch it, my computer smells like akhoonds. :-)) 

Vildemose Jaan - Supporting Ghaddafi is the latest trend

among Islamists / fake "peace" activists and some of our onboard IC poets.  See my comment below for why I think this is happening.    

Good observation AI about Shariati and MEK

The MEK cult is the ultimate manifestation of the Shariati wet dream of an Islamo-socialist entity.  And it should really take a lot of balls for Mammad--our onboard Shariati devotee--to bad mouth the MEK.  It is, as we say, "tof-e sar bala!"

One of the most curious common traits of the Islamist bunch of all shades and flavors is their infatuation with power.  They are opposed to the MEK because the MEK is just like them, and it wants power instead of them.  They hate it with a passion because it IS a mirror image of themselves, and they do not want it to be in charge.  I bet you if the MEK was in power, Mammad would be on this site arguing about how they should not be remmovedm but rather "reformed."  Also note how he is now supporting Ghaddafi, an admitted terrorist (Lockerbie) and a mass murderer.

I am not a psychologist, but perhaps we should commission one to write a book about these creatures.  It's quite fasciniating. 

Watch this video

Watch this video and tell me we shouldn't worry about the MEK.  They've bought off everyone from Rudy Giuliani to Howard Dean to Presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann! And don't miss the part where they call for replacing Iran's current undemocratic regime with one led by the undemocratic cult MEK.

So yes, let's ignore this issue. Then when they get delisted and start lobbying for U.S. government funding to kill Iranians, let's all bitch and ask "Why didn't NIAC stop them?"

The unmitigated gall that

The unmitigated gall that you display here is just appalling.  I guess if no one had come to the rescue of the people in Lybia and Ghaddafi had gotten his way with the people, you would have a carefully paragraphed essay telling us how Ghaddafi was a stooge of the West.  

That much is true. How could anyone support Ghaddfi?? It's beyond revolting. It is sick...

Sheer Islamist Nonsense

This IRI apologist Mammad with his garbage. Mammad who the hell do you think you are trying to fool with your idiotic scenarios? 

Shariati minded People like you were the ones who created and supported the MEK in the first place. Now that they will have more political clout than your IRI supporting friends Trita/NIAC you come up with bullshit scare tactics about US/bernard lewis plans to divide up Iran? If Iran, god forbid, ever gets divided, its because of the IRI that you supported, supporting and appologized for all these years. Its because of your change from within policy. Get it Islamist professor?

Talk about sheer nonsense

It would seem that a certain roving Islamist is intent on sketching out a hallucinatory fantasy scenario, wherein Iran is divided up into a thousand little statelets, exactly like happened to.....Hmmm, when was the last time that the Great Satan (aka the USA) took a country and divided into up into many smaller bits? Let's see if our roving Islamist can provide some examples. Fortunately, there is one thing standing in the way of Iran's disintegration: the Islamic Republic and its stateside errand boys. 

You

mamad, the way you speak, argue and 'reason' reminds me of Q. Although given the full style, I'm not suggesting you are him.

Why are you so nervous suddenly? copy/pasting the same comment all over the place? and why are you twisting?

"attack anyone who opposes de-listing the MEK Stalinist cult from the terrorist list"? I don't recall anyone supporting MEK one way or other. Most comments essentially don't give a rat's a$$ and no one with an "iota" of intelligence buys your theoretical scenario even though a few dufeses in congress may attempt it. MEK is no sicker and twisted than the rapist republic. And I mean both versions. The hardliners you used to support and the islamist lights you support.

IC is getting a bit of life and it is hilarious how: NIAC cra$#ing on MEK, JM (MK) cra%$ing on NIAC, and now mamad the nuclear islamist light defending NIAC in the name of a grave danger called """"MEK""""", while the country is getting raped left and right by hard/light islamist he writes and 'researches'

I thank you for the laugh and entertainment. You've been wonderful.

Oktaby

Exhibit # 1 = Mammad's comment!

Thanks for proving the point of my blog, Mr. NIAC representative, Mammad.  

Look buddy, you and your kind have been tellling us these fancy tales about how Iran will break apart as a result of this attack or that attack for the past 32 years. That "hana" as we say, doesn't have any color!  All these made up scenarios about how a foreign force will invade us and tear the counrty apart have been disproven time and again.  You were saying the same exact thing when the U.S. invaded Iraq.  I bet you if I do a search I will find something written by you at that time saying the same thing.  

The greatest threat to Iran's territorial integrity has been, and remains, the IRI.  Your old boss, Mohammed Khatami, allowed the clandestine nuclear program to be expanded and developed for eight years--the program that has given everyone and their  mother the excuse needed to attack Iran.  He, and those who worked for him--such as you--are the biggest traitors to Iran and its people by putting the country and its people at risk.  And now you have the audacity to tell us bedtime stories about how others will attack us.  

By the way, nice job defending Ghaddafi, and calling the people he was about to massacare "mercenaries."  If it wasn't for foreign forces supproting the hapless rebels, your favorite leader, Ghaddafi, would have wiped entire cities clean of its inhabitants.  The unmitigated gall that you display here is just appalling.  I guess if no one had come to the rescue of the people in Lybia and Ghaddafi had gotten his way with the people, you would have a carefully paragraphed essay telling us how Ghaddafi was a stooge of the West.  There is no winning with West hating turkeys like you.

Again, thanks for proving the point of my blog.  

Sheer nonsense

Let us see:

Suppose that NIAC and others who are concerned about the consequences of de-listing the MEK Stalinist cult from the terrorist list decide to do nothing. What is going to happen?

(1) MEK is de-listed from the terrorist list, given "legitimacy" by the neocons/Israel and their supporters and allowed to raise funds in the U.S. - if not given tens of $billions of Iran's assets since 1980 - and receive funds from Pentagon/CIA/DIA/ and State.

(2) It then sends their members to, say, Khuzestan to start a clash with IRGC.

(3) IRGC will smash them, of course; no match for IRGC.

(4) The group asks for help from the West, like Libyan "rebels" - mercenaries.

(5) In the name of human rights and humanitarian help to a terrorist Stalinist cult, the U.S. and NATO, hand in hand with Arabs of the Persian Gulf, go in and, at the minimum, separate Khuzestan from the rest of Iran.

(6) Then, that becomes a reason for Kurds, Baluchs, etc., to also want their mini-states.

(7) Hence, the dream of Iran's enemies, from Bernard Lewis to Arabs of PG to Israel, will be materialized - disintegrating Iran.

Anyone who has an iota of brain can see that this is a very plausible scenario. It is, in fact, the MEK plan, if some of their supporters in southern California are to be believed. 

Yup! That is good. In the name of opposing NIAC we should applaud all of this, and in the meantime attack anyone who opposes de-listing the MEK Stalinist cult from the terrorist list, all in the name of "Only Iran."

Except that those who claim of thinking of "Only Iran" seem not to have any brain, and not capable of seeing 5 feet in front of themselves. Rational thinking has abandoned these people.

Mammad

What should and will be falling from the sky ....

are them bombs on the IRR infrastructure and its supporters, with the MEK help or without!

One thing is clear as the sun rising from the east tomorrow and that is the life span and utility of the state sponsored terrorism is about to expire!

Just look around! Sad'dam and his criminal sons are gone, Osama Ben Laden is gone, Mulla Omar is gone, Al Quieda  is gone, Taliban is gone, and now it's time for the IRR criminals andthe  company to be gone!

Great Blog

Totally agree with your NIAC/Trita assessment.

By the way, if AIPAC is not already supporting the MEK, I hope and pray that they do. Why can the IRI have a card blanc and support every terror organization without Trita and Co not complaining or opposing such IRI policy but we should here NIAC and their supporters constantly attack AIPAC/Israel policy? The hypocrisy!

I am sick and tired of people constantly making Israel/AIPAC the vilan while giving a green pass to IRI crimes or simply putting more of a burden on US/Israel policy. The burden should be on the cult that is called the IRI to change its behavior. The burden should not be on the MEK, The monarchist, Israel, USA, Europe or anyone else. 

Its about the IRI- Not about the MEK. 

Maryam jaan,

If NIAC had no involvement in opposing this group, would we still embrace legitimizing MEK or oppose it?

The stated reason sound logical, only it is not NIAC that is driving this. NIAC is only taking a lead in providing awareness.

If we were to think logically, it is the US special interest with their lavish gatherings and speeches which is as far as reality as IRI is from democratic that is bringing this group to the attention and by doing so making IRI not as bad. If  there is going to be a backlash, it ought to be towards the very same politicians in US who is trying to legitimize this treacherous and undemocratic group.

I am afraid for some of us, the prejudice against NIAC is so strong that are willing to accept MEK legitimization, if and only NIAC is oppose to that. Do you see the irony here?

 'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Majid Z good comment,

100% agree,

The Carter doctrine has been followed for 32 years, if the peple of the region controlled their own oil you wouldn't be able to get it for $150 a barrel or $500 a barrel.

so for now as long as they can keep mullahs and other inept nothing to offer groups as options for Iranians, the oil does infact belong to them, at least the price it is exchanged at.

If MEK is removed from terror list and gains access to a tiny..say $5-10 Billion of US Tax Payer dollars that will be a big problem for Iranians as they are ready to kill for power.

Majid Z.

We have heard the mantra of "Israel is going to attack Iran" for at least the past decades, sometimes even within a specific time frame!  This is just the latest version.  First, it was Israel with the help of neocons and the U.S government. This time around, it's Israel with MEK's help.  

It's possible that Israel is helping MKO financially, but that does not mean that it's on it's way to attack Iran.  By the same token, and by its own admission, Iran is helping Hamas and Hezbollah financially and militarily.  That deos not mean that they will be attacking Israel with Iran's help, does it?

It's also possible that MEK gets its money from elsewhere.  It has a very strong fund raising network.  And don't forget that they got a lot of money from Saddam that they stashed in different places.  They also possibly get funding from Arab states, Europe and the U.S.  

We shouldn't speak of things that we don't know as facts, unless, of course, you have a copy of the MEK's bank account which shows a wire transfer from Tel Aviv. 

The sky is not falling, but...

I don't care at all about NIAC, but I do care about Iran.

Have you ever wondered who pays to keep MKO alive? The cult routinely pays hundreds of people to attend its lavish staged rallys, wine and dine politicians in DC and EU, and pay for international PR to re-engineer itself from a bankrupt and unpopular terrorist cult into posing as an alternative to the criminal IRI.  Where does this organization get its funding?  We know they hardly have any members or supporters among Iranians.  Where would they get that kind of money?

There is so much evidence over the years that shows the connection between Israel and the MKO, who seem like peas in a pod, hellbent on a military attack on Iran.  The sky is not falling, but bombs will be. 

Roozbeh jaan - like I said below

The IRI needs an external enemy to survive.  That's what this dog and pony show is all about.

I was also wondering about the same thing.

So, I posted this question on a related blog, and got a predictably hostile response. Apparently on this site, if you mention MKO without cursing them, or if you ask the reason for all these hateful curses, you deserve what you get. And all the abuse coming from the ones asking for "democracy" and "reform" and "tolerance" day in and out.

I really am not sure the reason about the NIAC's paranoid view of MKO, nor US government's recent conciliatory approach towards them. I remember in post 2009 elections uprising seeing some MKO posters in streets of Tehran. People generally reacted to these posters with cautious curiousity, before they were removed/pained over by regime agents.  I personally doubt MKO has a great deal of support in Iran (could be right or wrong, my own feelings), so I wonder if the organisation is being used as some sort of a bogeyman by both side.

In any event, I have spent enough time talking about them today despite my own words, and would suggest other friends not to be distracted by these side shows, from real events in Iran.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Maryam Jaan - Fear mongering by dictatorships

is the oldest trick in the book.  They need an eternal enemy to survive.  No one with an ounce of intelligence should fall for this nonsense.

I read this comment on another blog & It makes sense

by Iran 2050 on Thu Jul 14, 2011 07:16 AM PDT

NIAC cannot fool us!

The real question surrounding MEK is , why is their name being brought up so often? This is an insignificant group with very little support among the Iranian population, so why does the IRI regime and its ally, NIAC, bring them up so often?

The answer is because IRI wants to make others look bad in order for itself to look good and to, comically, claim itself as “victims of terrorism!!!!” where as they have been the biggest supporters of terrorism since the day they took power.

So in fact, groups like NIAC knowingly work for the benefit of IRI by bringing up the MEK issue, and U.S politicians, unknowingly, make themselves look bad amongst the Iranian people by falling into the IRI – NIAC trap by not only supporting MEK but even talking about them.

The Iranian people do not want to replace the Mullah regime with MEK, that doesn’t mean they do not want to replace the Mullah regime, they just don’t want to replace it with MEK. Simple as that.

So let’s not fall into the trap of IRI and its lobby in the U.S, NIAC, and let’s ignore the MEK issue wherever and whenever they bring it up. That’s the best way to move forward.