Fighting Words

U.S and Israel attack

The propaganda of U.S attack to Iran has been around since hostage crisis. I don't know where these theories are coming from. But I know for sure, U.S has always been cautious in dealing with Iran issues even in the matter of political dialog. Very cautious in a extend that madam Olbright came forward and applogized to Islamic thugs for supporting democracy back in 1953. Stupid woman. To them one monster was born by the name of Islamic Republic. A monster that has no respect for human live. A monster that has no respect for international norms. Left wing people was wrongly thinking the monster was anti-imperialism. They learned in a hard way that monster has been rooted it's idea on barbaric, nomad tribes of desert arabs and has nothing to do with being pro or against imperialism. The idea that has been structured on bloodshed, massacre, invasion to other territories and rape throughout history. Hend -e- Jegarkhar who ate Hamzeh's liver during fight in battlefield implies the degee of brutality of nomad tribes of Arabs in those days.  Their view of live is totally against modernization and it is also against  civilized world. The U.S policy makers never knew how to deal with this monster over the years.  On the other hand, Israel also avoid military confrontation with Iran because of historical bond that we had since Cyrus the great and knowing Iranians are not against Israel in heart as much as we are against arabs since those bastards killed over 1 million of our people and because of our history with arabs. These are the facts. Now which card is going to be played by criminal gang who occupied Iran and what direction we are heading is a question that no one has crystal ball to predict.  

OnlyIran

I think you just confirmed my point :-) Bush knew USA has not got the ability to take out Iranian nuclear sites. Israel wanted a full scale assault to do it. Bush was not as stupid as his detractors say. He figured this out and said no. He refused permission for the flights and did not give them support. The result was no attack on Iran. It sounds to me like a "veto" won't you say that? Bush did not allow it to proceed for your reasons.

VPK- respectfully

We should not present what we think may have happened as facts.  The fact is that we really don't know if Israel was going to attack Iran and Bush vetoed it.  That's just a theory.  

In my opinion, Israel was probably (and I don't know this to be true.  It's just my opinion) pushing the U.S. to take out Iran;s nucclear sites, but that did not happen for whatever reason.  I also believe (my opinion again) that Israel does not have the military capability to take out Iran's nuclear sites.  It would need dozens of planes flying all over Iran for a number of hours like an airliner taking out sites.  The risk of casualties will be huge for Isarel.  Plus, they will have to get persmission to fly over Saudi Arabia, which will expose SA to Iran's retaliation in terms of stoking unrest in its own Shia population.  

In sum, in my opinion, there will be no attack on Iran by anyone.  Israel can't do it and the U.S. is trying to get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan.  It does not need another war.

This is all just scare tactics. 

Responses

• Thanks Only Iran for an honest response to Mehrdad. I too oppose IRI and MEK. Opposing MEK does not mean supporting IRI unlike what some say.
• Israel was about to attack Iran a few yeas ago. It was vetoed by Bush. That is the only reason it did not happen. I assume the computer virus was the second options. It put back the nuclear work avoidng war.
• Both MEK and IRI are problems. I do not think engagement with IRI is fruitful. Nor is using MEK which is even worse. So we need another solution. Thank Jimmy Cater and his idiots.

Better title: the Money Flow has stopped again!

Bad Stories for Bad Kids

Excellent blog

Clear and no beating around the bush.

Interesting comments as well.  AMIR and IranOnly, what a sense of anlaysis and grasp of bigger picture. You should go into politics, both. ;o)

PS. yes, for a European outsider all this fuss about MEK delisting is a bit puzzling. If they have no following in Iran, except for few thousands die hard (nothing compared to 70+ mil Iranians), then the sky is not about to fall. IMHO.

Vildemose, Artificial Intelligence, and Onlyiran

Thank you. I am proud to consider you three (and the majority of decent people on Iranian.com, in the U.S., and in Iran) opposed to the Islamist menace as my Fellow Travelers (in the non-Commie sense of the word -- no offense intended to principled Marxists opposed to the IRI). Regards.

Amir

rich that NIAC et al. are going nutso about the MKO being de-listed and somehow "legitimized" when one of NIAC's central pillars is "engagement" (or Grand Bargain or "rapprochement" or whatever the phrase de jour is for the US doing business with the mullahs' regime) with the wonderful, progressive Islamic Republic. So the MKO is an Islamist terrorist organization and should be shunned, but the IRI whose crimes are those of the MKO multiplied by 100 and which is the Number One Islamist terrorist regime in the world should be "engaged". Okay, sure.

Love it. Thanks.

Yes Onlyiran!

Just view how many times he has blamed the "zionists" here for everything. We know what Zionist means.

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AI - Mammad would answer the Saudi connection question only

if the Saudis were Jewish, because as we all know, only Jews conspire against Iran. :-))

Amir

Great responses. Thank you!

Yes Mammad

I am a Zionist and I'm here to carry water for Israel. Another good come back. Now why don't you answer the question about the Saudi NIAC connection/question? Why did you disappear?

Fred figured you all out!

Bavafa jaan - As I said before

I find the timing of this whole thing pretty suspecious.  We should, of course, be against violent actions against Iran.  But NIAC does not have the credibility to do so.  As Amir articulated below, NIAC has been trying for years to "normalize" relations between the West and the most brutal entity when it comes to Iranians: the IRI.  So, this whole thing about the MKO by NIAC would be laughable if not so outrgeous.  

And trust me, no one will attack Iran.  There are many reasons for it, the biggest of which is that the IRI is the gift that keeps on giving to every Tom, Dick and Harry who wants influence and a power in the region.  Why take a away a good thing?   

Excelllent comment Amir1973 - It's all about hidden agendas

And that's what this blog is about.

Response to MM,

I don't buy the Libya analogy, because the Libyan rebels had a significant armed presence in the country. The MKO does not. The Libyan rebels have also been successful in those parts of Libya where the Qaddafi regime was weaker and the rebels were more popular. Are you suggesting that would apply to the MKO in Khuzestan?

I also don't support the MKO's lousy "Islamist leftist" political ideology nor their collaboration with the scumbag Baathists in Iraq. But I do find it rather rich that NIAC et al. are going nutso about the MKO being de-listed and somehow "legitimized" when one of NIAC's central pillars is "engagement" (or Grand Bargain or "rapprochement" or whatever the phrase de jour is for the US doing business with the mullahs' regime) with the wonderful, progressive Islamic Republic. So the MKO is an Islamist terrorist organization and should be shunned, but the IRI whose crimes are those of the MKO multiplied by 100 and which is the Number One Islamist terrorist regime in the world should be "engaged". Okay, sure.

MM - Mammad's fantasy "scenario" is only good for his "naneh"

and is not even worth discussing.  You're citing is as if it is something credible.  It's the same old fear mongering tactic that has been used for the past 32 years.  We're about the get invaded by someone or other everyday.  

Reminds me of communist Albania, where the ruler had actually planted spikes in the ground all over the coutry because he had made people believe that Greece was about to invade them using paratroopers.

Fear mongering is the survival tool of every dictator.   

I did not say that recognizing the Libyan rebels was a bad thing

I did not say that recognizing the Libyan rebels was a bad thing.  I know Qaddafi was real bad for Libya, but I have not idea about who the rebels are or where they come from.  My focus is Iran.

However, I know IRI is bad, but the MKO is a cult even worse than the IRI (//www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,HRW,COUNTRYREP,IRN,,45d085002,0.html).  I was just commenting on the analogy that Mammad had regarding the MKO being moved to Khuzestaan and then be recognized as a legit govenrment and then be funded from the frozen assets of Iran.  And, I was hoping that the senario was not true for the MKO. 

Would you be happy with the MKO in Khuzestaan, as per mammad's comment, and be recognized as a new GOVERNMENT of Iran?  Please pay attention to the comment or tell me where I said recognizing the Libyan rebels was bad!

So, it's a bad thing that US recognized the Libyan rebels?

Oh dear, what could be worse: U.S. opposing the thugs of Syria and Sudan too? How awful of the U.S. to recognize the rebels that are fighting Qaddafi and Sons. The perfidy of the Great Satan knows no bounds, does it?

U.S. recognize rebels as Libya's legitimate government

And, funds will be allocated to the new Libyan government from the Libyan frozen accounts.

//news.yahoo.com/u-recognizes-rebels-libya-legitimate-government-125455845.html

Let's hope this scenario does not happen with the MKO

Dear OnlyIran: Agree with your assessment and description

so, as a concern Iranian, what would you recommend

1- staying silenced and let Iran be possibly destroyed not only by IRI but also by the retaliating US/Israel and others

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2- Actively condemn both sides approach to violence and destruction of Iran

At least in our small community ( IC) I know few (less then an handful) that don't condemn IRI anti democratic, pro violence and hawkish attitude on the regular basis.

One other point to keep in mind, would such retaliatory approach by the West help Iranian pro democracy movement in Iran or hurt it?

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Amir Jaan - It's called arrogance!

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As a NIAC official, I am

As a NIAC official, I am sure that you are aware of the Saudi and CIA sponsored "Iran conference" that took place in Saudi Arabia, where NIAC was a featured attendee.  Knowing that Saudi is probably one of MEK supporters--or better yet---knowing that Saudi Arabia funds and supports Arab separatist movements in Iran, what do you have to say about NIAC's participation in that conference? 

You have to wait tll eternity for a  reasonable answer...lol

Onlyiran,

Well said. Certain folks seem to think that Islamists can go around taking hostages, storming embassies, bombing embassies, hijacking planes, burning flags, and chanting "Death to (Fill in the Blank)" on a nearly weekly basis and not see the least response from the targets of said activities.

No Bavafa, I don't -

But I find the MEK to be a non-issue.  They are hated, small, ineffective and have virtually no support base in Iran.  And as far as them being supported by Israel / U.S. / Saudi Arabia, etc., I don't find that to be surprising at all.  It's payback for the IRI's support of Hamas, Hezbollah, Shia groups in SA, and every anti-American group on the planet, along with 32 years of "marg bar Israel" and"marg bar Amrika."  What goes around comes around.

I do, however, find this new focus on the MEK by groups with suspect ties to the IRI quite interesting and suspecious.  

For for of my thoughts on the "payback" issue, please read this blog:

//iranian.com/main/blog/onlyiran/iran-will-be-attacked-if

Dear OnlyIran: An honest and sincere question?

Do you believe opposing legitimization of MEK is supporting IRI?

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Shame on the U.S. immigration authorities

For allowing advocates of anti-American Islamist ideologies and propagandists of the world's premier terrorist regime into the U.S. Is it a wonder then that Islamists residing in the West carry out the 9/11 attacks, the London bombings, the Madrid bombings, the Bali bombings, numerous assassinations of their opponents, etc?

How to send hypocrite Islamists into hiding

You ask them a logical question, like I did below of Mammad.  He immediately disappeared. :-))

Don't dodge the question please Mammad

What do you have to say about NIAC attending a conference that was created, hosted and supported by a government that actively funds and supports separatist movements in Iran?

You really are artificial, AI

You are not kidding when you call yourself AI. Your intelligence is artificial and nonexistent. But, then again, what can one expect from your type? You are here to carry water, not for Iran, but for .....

Mammad