There is No Such Thing as a "Moderate Muslim"

by Piyalechi

So now, it is becoming clear that the guy who shot and killed the American Airmen at the Frankfurt Airport is an "Islamic extremist."

But I have an issue with that.

In fact, I have a serious problem with such labels as "Extremist Muslim" and "Moderate Muslim," as they are misleading and incorrect.

I - far from being alone in how I think about the matter - believe that Quran is clear enough in its doctrine, where it leaves no place for ambiguity in what is expected from a Muslim in how he/she should be and how the "Kuffar" (i.e. the unbelievers) should be dealt with.

And since Muslims believe with absolute certainty that the Quran is the very direct word of their God Allah, therefore by definition the word of God must be obeyed fully and in its entirety.

Thus, there is no room for compromise and discussion, or one would be in commission of apostasy. To that end, Allah has promised in clear terms time and again the sadistically torturous punishment he has waiting for those who disobey him.

Hence, whoever who engages in Jihad to kill "filthy" Americans and other kuffar and "infidels" is a by-the-book true Muslim, and those who call and consider themselves "Moderate Muslims" are actually confused individuals who don't know what they are talking about and are practically not Muslims.

It is a fallacy that "extremists have hijacked the peaceful religion of Islam." Alqaida and Wahabis and likes of them are actually true Muslims who are diligently trying to perform their religious duties and serve the will of Allah.

The free world needs to wake up and read Quran and get truly educated about Islam.


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Escape: Just listing

by Raoul1955 on

Documented acts of kindness by muslims within the past few days:

March 5, 2011. Nearly 4000 muslims attacked Christian homes near Cairo:

March 3, 2011. Ethiopian Muslims Burn Down Five Churches

2011.03.04 (Nowshera, Pakistan) - Sunnis detonate a powerful bomb at a Sufi mosque during Friday prayers, taking down ten worshippers.
2011.03.03 (Hangu, Pakistan) - Women and children are among the casualties when a suicide car bomber detonates along a city street.
2011.03.03 (Haditha, Iraq) - A suicide bomber wades into a crowd at a bank and sends eight customers to Allah.
2011.03.02 (Frankfurt, Germany) - A gunmen yells 'Allah Akbar' and opens fire on unarmed US soldiers on a bus, killing two.
2011.03.02 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A seminary teacher is shot to death by sectarian rivals.
2011.03.02 (Ramadi, Iraq) - One victim bleeds out after a suicide bomber attacks a rival mosque.


Comparision of IGNORANCE

by Escape on

  There have been more than 16892 Islamic Terrorist attacks since 9-11 that are DEADLY.From Feb 19. to Feb.25 there were 26 Jihad attacks.

181 dead Bodies.

310 Critically Injured.

In January..THIS YEAR..S

158 Jihad Attacks.

18 Different Countries.

They attacked 5 Different Religions.


1650 people were Critically Injured.

Nothing compares..











by comrade on

I do have personal experience with some moderate Muslims, or Shi'ites for that matter. They're the ones who were branded as the followers of the  "American Islam" by Khomeini. Their existence can't be statistically denied.

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.


Kaveh V

Soosan Khanoom

by Kaveh V on

Any blood, violence and tyranny associated with eradication of Islam would be your imagination. This will have to be done in a civil way, but, if challenged to a bloody fight by Islam fanatics, as they usually do, then tell me what are the options ?

Soosan Khanoom


by Soosan Khanoom on

you mentioned " 

" it is, in fact, the Islamic criminals who have radicalized the Iranian population into anti-Islamic frenzy ........

Fundamentalists criminal muslims in Iran have created bunch of hate filled anti- Islam fundamentalists .... one fanatic extremists created another fanatic extremists ... now they see themselves as the majority with a right to eradicated Islam in general and burn the sinners and the innocents both at the same time ....... well that is what I call cycle of violence ...... if you do not get yourself out of that cycle then there is no hope for anyone to breath the fresh air of freedom .......  

so sad .......... so painfully sad  


Kaveh V

FG, Iranians have earned the right to eradicate Islam....

by Kaveh V on


While your arguments about eastern and southern Europe is quite valid, I must remind you that there is no relation to the situation in Iran, it is the opposite. Using your valid argument, it is, in fact, the Islamic criminals who have radicalized the Iranian population into anti-Islamic frenzy. Iran today is the battle ground against Islamic barbarism. Iran is already, and severely radicalized, how many more jihadists can mullahs produce now ? What they write here (on this site) against Islam and muslims, they have experienced with their flesh and bone. They have earned the right!

Soosan Khanoom


by Soosan Khanoom on

Dear FG ,

Great points and wonderful reply ....... and of course right questions ....

I should however say that after seeing the link that vildemose posted here this writer and his supporters can also well be the neocons in that video who were demonstrating wrapping themselves in American flag. Thanks to all who had the guts to show up and argue their points of view against this ridiculously racist post.  

 Also thanks for the great informative links that you provided here dear vildemose 


Is the writer a Serb nationalist or orthodox sympathizer?

by FG on

No one did more to help the spread of radical Islam in the Balkans than the myth-driven, ultranationalistic Serbian nationalists who horrifically persecuted so many innocent muslims who had done nothing to deserve it.  

I'm a non-muslim who visited the Balkans in the mid-eighties, including Bosnia, and found no trace of the fanacticism the writer describes.  People were getting along so well that the intermarriage rate (33 percent) was the highest in Europe.  Muslims were highly westernized in their attitudes of tolerance. 

In the above writer's view--so typical of Serb nationalisms--the only good muslim is a dead muslim.   Orthodox nationalists in eastern and southern Europe expressed similar views at the time.

The central effect of Serb genocide tooward muslims was to radicalize muslims who weren't radicalized.  Now you see chadors and Wahabbi-style Islam were it was non-existent (I didn't see a single one).   Saudi subsidies helped the fundamentalist process along afterward but that opportunity would never have arrived without Serb help. 

The second major effect was that the Serbs screwed themselves.  They and the rest of Yugoslavia were living far better than anyone in nearby Soviet-controlled coutries.  Some Budapest residents were a distant second, while the Poles enjoyed a great deal of freedom to criticize and mock in spite of tyrany--much like the Iranians.   Now instread everyone is passing the Serbs by--people like the Poles and Czechs who were so far behind.  It reminds me of how Turkey (no oil), South Korea (no oil) and China (deeply impoverished) have left Iran in the dust since 1979.  That's another crime of the mullahs and clerical rule.

A normal person would easily grasphow much everyone here, except for a few paid apologists like Reza, deeply hates the whole idea.  A blind nationalist, himself suffering from a kind of fundamentalist faith, is immune to such discernment.  I'm reminded of the way the invading and ultranationalistic Nazis--though welcomed by the Ukrainians--treated them as enemies and thereby alienated potential allies against Stalin.  Like the Serbs, the Nazis paid heavily for such blindness.

Some ironies I'd like to to cite here:

1. Who has done more to discredit radical Islam and the concept of Islamist rule than ruling Islamists--Osama Bin Laden and Khamenei?  Ask any muslim who lived under Al Queda-controlled villages in Iraq or Swat (Pakistan).   Ask Iranians how they like it. 

2. It is Iranian writers who have launched the strongest attacks on reactionary, intolerant forms of Islam and on the whole concept of rule by the clergy.  Iran is now full of Voltaires, secular muslims who want no part of religious excess.  Orthodox Christianity in Eastern and Southern Europe, much like Islam, never experienced the advantages of Reformation.  They still follow their priests like dogs.

Hafez for Beginners

Cyrus turning in his grave

by Hafez for Beginners on

This is just silly talk - most of the QUran is based on the Judaic old testament - including the semitic concept of Kaffar - Infidel - Gentile.

(As Persian, this concept was very anti-thetical to the culture, which, since the times of Cyrus, had embraced multi-culturalism.)

I don't have time to go and dig out the insanities of all religions - from the crusades and the burning of women as witches in Christianity, to all else that's done in the name of all religions.

The one thing as a proud person of Iranian descent I don't have tolerance for - is this kind of cherry picking of issues and  of finger pointing as to who is better and who is worse.  Cyrus would be turning in his grave. Learn from your own masters.





Just Wondering!

by darius on

 You mean , in Muhamad era , before and after , all the girls attended school, went to college and married when they felt like it!?

You mean, King David, King Darius,Ceasar would prefere 40 yrs old  woman and not a 14 yrs old( in case of romans and greek , a young boy   could be the case)?!

You mean it was only Muhammad and muslim who were molesters right?

You mean all these bars in Thailand, Phillipines , Japan and Africa

with young under age teens are exclusively made for the followers of Islam,  they are frequently visited by Iranian and arabs and the 

girls working  wear Hijabs ? 

You mean now, as we speak, there is no family who trade their kids

because of poverty or kidnap a 16 yrs old girl because they believe

in old testament?

You mean what you mean or just saying it because you are angry

and therefore you can let your anger or your devotion to  other idealogy blind your judgment ? I personally have no problem if

you openly say you hate me or else but I do mind when you write to

undermind others sense of judgement.


So, if I still believe in multi so and so

by Rea on

am I supposed to be an idiot ?

Kosovo is American doing, take responsibility for it.

hamsade ghadimi

if you're defining "moderate

by hamsade ghadimi on

if you're defining "moderate muslim" with the interpretation of "extreme muslim," then you're correct that there are no "moderate muslims." however, that is called circular reasoning.  note, you're also using the word "muslims" throughout your blog as insinuating that moderate and extreme are meaningless. 

Soosan Khanoom

Dear RB

by Soosan Khanoom on

 I agree with you and the case in Pakistan is a good example. Having said that there are many whose voices can not be heard ....

when media and propaganda machines are there to amplify the voice of the extremists then how can one even hear the voice of the moderate muslims ? 

Even on this site, when we have people from within with such a hateful remarks concerning the religion of billions with so many brave supports willing to back them up vers as  the voice of a few who try to have a decient converstion without insulting with almost none supporter then who is going to listen ?

The voice of truth is lost in the loud voices of ignorance .....


The problem is...

by Reality-Bites on

If there are moderate Muslims, they have been keeping awfully quiet and have done very little to confront the ever increasing extremists in their midst?

Where is the voice of those Muslims that consider themselves moderate, peace loving and prepared to co-exist with others? What actions are taking to stem the tide and the influence of their extremist brethrens?

A prime example: in January of this year in Pakistan, Salman Taseer, the Governor of Punjab, a defender of Human Rights and an outspoken critic of the country's blasphemy laws, was shot dead by one of his security guards who turned out to be an extremist Muslim.

His killer's motive was that he simply didn't like Salman Taseer opposing the blasphemy law. This is a law that demands non-Muslims be killed on the mere say so of any Muslim that claims a non-Muslim has insulted Islam. No need for any credible proof or evidence, just one Muslim saying that a non-Muslim has insulted Islam.

Anyway, what do you think was the reaction of so called "moderate" Muslims?  90 lawyers (from the country's supposedly enlightened educated class) immediately put their hands up and volunteered to defend Taseer's killer for free. And the elected government of the Pakistan's People Party, the party Taseer belonged to, did nothing but mumble. In fact, there has been widespread support for the assassin, who is praised for upholding the values and honor of Islam.

And now the only Christian Minister in Pakistan, Shanbaz Bhatti, has been murdered by the hardliners too, because he dared challenge this unjust law.

An extract taken from the link below:


...The bravery of both men was extraordinary – but tragically, the extremists remain in the ascendancy. A small group of liberals within the ruling Pakistan People’s Party that favoured repeal has retreated in the face of an Islamist backlash. Political leaders and the military fear that a confrontation would precipitate a political crisis. But appeasing sectarian bigotry and murderous violence is a short-sighted policy: the extremists’ growing power and influence in this nuclear-armed state is among the greatest potential threats to regional – even world – peace.

It is notable that few Muslim leaders in this country have spoken out about this horrifying incident. And it raises several other questions: should we, for instance, continue to pour aid into Pakistan while this state of affairs continues? Left unchecked, such bigotry places Christians and other minorities in great jeopardy, not just in Pakistan but in other Muslim countries – like Egypt, where the suspected killers of six Copts were recently acquitted by the courts. Across this part of the world, non-Muslims face persecution....

So much for "moderate Muslims".


Maryam Hojjat

I Agree with Piyalechi & IranFirst

by Maryam Hojjat on

Mohamad the Child molester Prophet! established this cult based on two things for Arabs one to plunder the wealth of others and divid them among themselves and second to destroy anything which is against ARAB culture which means any civilization.


It's really simple

by Cost-of-Progress on

"Moderate" muslims are those who do not necessarily commit the violent acts, but close their eyes to the atrocities committed by Islam today and are silent about it.

Exteremists are those who carry out those acts! 

The very basis for political Islam is violence - this is undeniable.

Yeah yeah...other religions have not been any better, but they seem to have grown out of it for most parts except for the nutcase Christian Right in the US who kills doctors because they do abortions.





To: MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan

by Raoul1955 on

I suggest that you also include references to current violent actions by Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, etc., to convince all these kafirs that muslims are not the only group that we should be concerned about, and that we should also focus on the other groups as well.  Oops, I left out our 'right wing' nuts.

I believe that if you just list one violent act such as blowing up planes, shooting people while shouting slogans in support of their deities [by each group] should suffice.

allah-akbar to you.
Imam Raoul :-)


Terribly sad story

by Rea on

And a lesson for the Americans as well. They've created a monster, a protectorate that will come to hunt the Balkans, and Europe eventually, in the years to come.

Btw, muslim and islamist are not the same. The former is a believer, the latter is a follower of an ideology.


Here are some excerpts from the "peaceful" religions:

by MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan on

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2

" not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16

Overview of violence in the Hebrew Bible:
Biblical scholar Raymond Schwager:

"... has found 600 passages of explicit violence in the Hebrew Bible [a.k.a. Old Testament], 1000 verses where God's own violent actions of punishment are described, 100 passages where God expressly commands others to kill people, and several stories where God irrationally kills or tries to kill for no apparent reason. Violence ... is easily the most often mentioned activity in the Hebrew Bible."
The Passover incident described in Exodus chapters 11 and 12, in which all of the firstborn of all Egypt were slaughtered. This included newborns, children, youths, adults, the elderly -- both human and animal.

The conquest of Canaan, in which God ordered the Hebrews to completely exterminate the Canaanite people -- again from the elderly to newborns and fetuses. This is described throughout the book of Joshua as occurring in Jericho and other Caananite cities.

The near extermination of the entire tribe of Benjamin by the remaining 11 tribes, triggered by the serial rape and murder of a priest's concubine by a few Benjamites. See Judges, chapter 20.


What is really in Quran? Hate

by IranFirst on

 Cult of Islam has been imposed on Iranians and is the law of the land and as such it IS open to questioning. The
best way to confront the cult of Islam is to expose it and ask
people to actually READ Quran in their own language (rather than
reciting it 5 times a day, like a parrot), and show them all its errors,
contradictions and hate filled text , which has been inspiration to
murderers, thieves and terrorists for the past 1400 years. The other way
is to critically expose the life and character of the child-molester

 Here is what is really in Quran (non of these politically correct,
IRI and Saudi paid propaganda to make this savage cult look good). Quran is the
recipe for terrorism, written by an Charlatan Child molester and
imposed on people by force and not reason and free will.

 Here are just few hateful verses from "religion of peace". 

Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the
Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are
the worst of creatures


Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who
disbelieve, then they would not believe.


compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and
worthlessness.  Verse
7:179 says
they are like "cattle" only worse.

5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews
of the past into apes and pigs.  This is echoed by verses
7:166 and

A hadith says that Muhammad believed rats to be
"mutated Jews" (Bukhari

, also confirmed by Sahih Muslim



46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are
worse than demons who believe in Muhammad. 

 Listen not to the unbelievers, but strive (Jihad) against them with the
utmost strenuousness.


Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm
against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

(66:9, See also

Soosan Khanoom

I suggest you expand your

by Soosan Khanoom on

I suggest you expand your horizon ,information and knowledge before making remarks that is nothing but a propaganda. Your contribution does not make life any easier for Iranian inside Iran as well million of Iranians who are living abroad and are facing discrimination against their faith, their country of origin ,their middle eastern look and even their names. You are suffering from Islamophobia by condemning the entire book and the religion; denying the existence of a moderate Muslim and regarding Islam as a problem for the entire world . This new phenomena of Islamophobia is exactly like the antisemitism of the 1930s ... I suggest you read a few books for dummies to help you with this phobia and once you are familiar with the idea then read " Devil's Game "by Robert Dreyfuss. It explains how the U.S helped in unleashing of the fundamentalism.

Now watch this ... This will make you feel better knowing that you are not alone ..... 




Well said Piyalechi, Cult of Islam is the Worst major Religion

by IranFirst on

As you said there is NO moderate Islam, there are some Muslims who
are not crazy as other Islamists (nothing to do with Islam itself) that do not follow
Islam completely (they may not commit Jihad, explode themselves and run air planes
into buildings, etc.), These people use their conscious more than majority of Muslims and would have
probably been good people regardless of religion ( if they were Zoroastrians, Christians, Jews,
..or any other religion). The problem is these people ("moderate"
Muslims)  go around and tell gullible Westerners that they represent real
Islam, which is not true. Real Islam is what is in Quran and hadis.
Real Islam is what that charlatan child-molester Mohamad, Ben Ladan and
Khomeini practiced. Real Islam is Jihad and killing the innocent
non-believers to spread Islam, Real Islam is stoning and cuting limbs and
putting women in body bags (by force).

If one watches any of the
videos of Al-Qaida (after they commit a terrorist act and kill and/or
behead the innocent), they show the Quran verses that justifies their
crime . There is only one barbaric cult of Islam.





کور ،کچل ،بسیجی ،ساندیس خور ،پاسدار و ملا.....حمام باید گردند


Do You Any Moderate religion?

by darius on

I don't know any moderate religion, please enlighten us with your  knowledge.