Quintessential Questions

Nadias

I wouldn`t listen to what Q says if I were you, he has not a very good record regarding truthful statements on this website. You claim you see my biased claims all over the place. Could you quote directly one of them and explain why it is biased?
I never said, please pay close attention before you start preaching from your pulpit again, I never said 1 billion muslims are terrorist. If this is an instance to show your capacity to misunderstand and misquote someone, then it is obvious where your claims about me come from.

I have made a very clear distinction between Islam as an ideology and religion and muslims as people, human beings. I said, and I stand by it, that mainstream Islam is violent and problematic and under dominance of fascistic interpretations. I did not say that 1 billion muslims are fascists, violent or terrorists. I did say that this 1 Billion muslims are morally bankrupt because they remain mostly silent, as they have done so far, when the active Islamists including almost all the major authorities of Islam today, sunni, wahhabi, shiite do preach and practice this violent version of Islam day after day. The 1 billion muslims including your friends from Iran have a moral obligation to stand up against such actions with full force and pull down those authorities from their positions of power, to push the Islamists out of the active political arena (and active Islamic theological arena as well) , and they are not doing that.

Just as an example, There is no demonstration by outraged muslims against stoning and torture in Iran, against beheadings in Afghanistan and Iraq, against suicide bombings in Iraq and Israel, yet there are thousands and thousands of angry muslim protesters against a few cartoons in a Danish newspaper or the misunderstood remarks of a Pope. Can`t you see this?

As I said, it could be due to fear, to apathy or something else. Does not matter. They fail everyday in standing up to their moral obligations and as such have little justification to feel insulted when `Islam` as is interpreted authoritatively today, is being criticized for what it has become, what it is, and what it does.

They can only complain when they have done their own duty of speaking out against such barbarism perpetrated daily in our world under the name of their religion. They don`t. They live, as a bunch of you have proved again here, in denial. So it is not my problem, nor my predicament, that they might `feel` insulted when I say it as it is about Islam.

Zion

All I meant was that both those individuals and people like them have something in common that is terrible. What they share in common is discrimination and hate towards other people.

I totally disagree with your view point of the 'mainstream Muslims'. Also if you truly love Israel, you must know that the only salvation for the Jewish people of Israel might be with Muslims!

You must know that the Western nations are using Israel as long as there is oil in the Middle East. Once the oil is gone or another form of fuel is created, they have no more need for a Jewish state and 'Christ killers' as they consider Jews. They might even try to turn you all into Christians for the 'comming of Christ'.

The way the stupid government of Israel is going now, is making everyone, especially Arabs and Muslims very angry at them. In a few more years there might be a great deal of hate generated in many countries against the Jewish people in general. This would be very bad, I know that and most Muslims know that too, but it might be unavoidable.

Thank You Naida: Noruzetan piruz

Thanks for doing this. If you do it more often, I think it will kill the long chains of response. This way, I feel like someone else understand what I've been trying to say for weeks!

You should add the hebrew word for peace and greeting to you signature! שָׁלוֹם

Wow! You actually acknowledged...

my presence. :o) Thanks!

Q, I am well aware of Zion's over generalizations of Muslims. I have seen his/her biast discourse almost all over this web-site.  I also, know that wisdom dictates that Zion will not change his/her opinion. Thank goodness that Zion does not dictate what people believe or better yet run the US government. It would be just awful.

Q, Happy Nooruz! :o)

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First of all, Zion on what source is this 1 billion statistics based on? If it is not based on an objective source then I refuse to believe it. The objectivity of the source of information is extremely important.

Zion, contrary to your belief not all Muslims are terrorists. It is illogical thinking.

Zion, let me give you an example: Claiming all Muslims are terrorists  is like saying all Hispanics came to the US as  illegal aliens. I know for a fact not all Hispanics came to the US illegally. How do I know because my relatives came legally therefore not all Hispanics came illegally into this country.

Now for the Muslim example: I also, have many friends in Iran and in the US that are Muslims and they are not terrorists. They are just trying to do what is best for them or/and their family, just like other people in this world.

Now, Zion it is your right to take what I say with a grain of salt. The same applies to me. What is the point of being so toxic? Life is too short. I am sorry to see that you have so much pain, sorrow, resentment and hate. I do wish things get better for you.

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia

Nadias: why don't you settle the debate than?

Zion is saying 1 Billion Muslims are violent, are terrorists or approve of them. That terrorism and bloodshed is not confined to any fringe group, but the mainstream Islam (which Zion finally admits means the majority of Muslims). Can you accept this with a straight face, with any shred of fairness and decency? Why don't you enlighten us?

Further Zion, acting like an apartheid era racist, has decreed that Rep. Carson "must be watched" only because he is Muslim. By extension, all muslims must be watched because Islam "is a serious threat to humanity." These are only some of the islamaphobic statements that Zion has made.

Why is this kind of bigotry allowed on this site? Zion is no longer pretending to talk about only some Muslims. It's all Muslims now.

Can you see how this mentality leads to genocide? They all "must be watched" now (presumably that's what Zion is doing on this board, doing his/her duty to cause of "watching" Muslims) but what about tomorrow? Perhaps registered? Or rounded up in camps? Maybe interrogated? Where does it stop?

Speaking of Genocide, Zion is now defending one of the most notorious racist terrorists in Israeli history. Meir Kahane once lead a demonstration in Israel where the crowds chanting "kill the arabs, kill the arabs" almost lynched an arab man in the streets before the Police rescued him. He was so racist, he was even kicked out of the Knesset for it. He openly admitted that Israel is not and was never meant to be a democracy respect the rights of all citizens.

If anyone said that about any other racial or religious group, we would call that person racist and bigoted.

I never defended anyone denying the Holocaust. I see no merrit in anything that guy in the video has to say. My previous writings have actually attacked Ahmadinejad and called him fascist. But Zion as usual, is not interested in fairness or seeing the truth, thus has no problem defending the worst scum of the earth so long as they are on the same side.

Only fanatics do not see the other side of the equation. Only fanatics think they are "morally superior" to 1 Billion people.

It's Zionism uber alles!

that's not mainstream Islam Zion!

there is the first problem.

There is a lot of people in the West that claim Wahabbist Saudis are mainstream Islam. Saudis do not and never have represented mainstream Islam. They, for example, do not even consider Shiites Muslim! That is not true. Islam does not even have a central authority, like Catholicism.

I think you can benefit from additional reading about Islam.

Iranian

I did not say he represents ALL muslims. You said muslims never do such a thing and I showed you they do, and they actually do a lot. Most their authorities do this as a matter of fact and unfortunately all these majority of muslims seem not to mind that at all.

There is a lot that I disagree with Meir Kahane, there is a lot that I did not and do not like about him, But he is in no way even comparable with a garbage can like this islamist mouthpiece. Nothing that he has ever said comes even close to such murderous genocidal outbursts.
Show some integrity Iranian. Stick with the truth, if you want to be taken seriously.

Mainstream is morally bankrupt. So what?

Mainstream Islam is what is understood, interpreted and ruled on by mainstream authorities and officials of this religion, This is what I said and it is obviously correct. What makes those authorities, authorities in the first place? All historical and other kinds of reasons boils down to this: the majority of muslims in effect regard them as such. And in that sense they have responsibility towards the barbarisms that is practiced by the name of today (and in the past) by those authorities. I am giving muslims the benefit of a doubt by assuming many of hem do not really practice Islam as they are supposed to by these authorities. But hey, you insist that muslims should be condemned for the present situation of Islam. Fine so be it. There is nothing wrong with condemnation of a billion or a hundred thousand billion when that is the right thing to do. Reality and truth, and the expression of truth, is not based on how many people get morally condemned by it. The majority of muslims have to be held accountable definitely for their phenomenal and I should say nauseating lack of any meaningful counter demonstrations regarding the authoritative proponents of such fascistic barbarisms as we see today. this could be due to apathy, fear, laziness or simple moral degeneracy. Not of the concern of this discussion. A billion people who sit by and view such barbarity by their name day in and day out and do nothing are not sacred and there is nothing wrong with morally condemning them, if that is what you insist. If they are insulted by the truth, the entire 1 billion of them so be it. If that is the case, it will only prove their moral bankruptcy. Just because there are 1 billion of such morally bankrupt people around does not make them sacred or immune of being told the truth on their faces. You get what you deserve.

`Religious discrimination is religious discrimination. For years, there was plenty of it here in the West and we are still seeing it`

No the two are not comparable, because what I said about Iran is a legal discrimination based on religion sanctioned by the constitution and legal system and enforced systematically by the regime. In the west there is no legal discrimination based on religion. That is what secularism means buddy! The cultural issues or what people themselves behave towards others is a different thing and can only gradually change.

`You think it`s more dangerous and problematic to associate oneself with an islamic group in the US, but not any other religion.`

Definitely. It is reality, not bigotry. Islam in its present form constitutes a very serous problem for the freedom of mankind, incomparable than any other religion today. You can stick your neck in the ground or feel insulted by the truth and keep whining about here.
Means absolutely nothing.

Actually........

they have months debating the same issues all over the website. I am not sure that they know how to stop themselves. They keep reacting to each other.

They actually seem to have added a third person to the debate.

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia

Come on, Zion

Looking at the video of that guy who is supposedly representing Muslims is like looking at the video of Rabbi Kahane and saying that he represents all Jews!

Zion is notoriously racist

this should not be a surprise to you Q. She is saying openly that the man should be watched just for being Muslim. No need to make such a big fuss.

OH MY GOD, give it a rest

both of you should stop this stupid debate.

Well it's funny how islamists stick together

but so do Jews and they have a lot more people in Congress.

LOL III, bigotry is so funny! Muslims suck, Jews Rule!!!

Zion, I knew you were an Ashkenazi zionist sworn to "cyber" protect a land you don't live in but I had no idea you were also the chief lexicographer entrusted with the English language. How do you have the time?

So, not only have you redefined the word "mainstream" to fit your political agenda. Wow, Orwell must be so proud! Here's the definition, in case you would like to stop butchering the English language:

Mainstream is, generally, the common current of thought of the majority.

That means, the Islam of the majority of it's followers is the mainstream Islam. But in your confused brain, the majority is actually a minority. Can you possibly get more absurd than this? (Yes, you can, you have before.) It's meaningless to say that mainstream Islam is not being practiced by mainstream Muslims.

There is something to watch for when such a community covets for political positions

No there isn't. It's official, you do not understand freedom of association. It's been done for Catholics, Jews, Mormons and even Armenians. Nothing wrong with it. Only bigots and racists are "frightened" by this. Congratulations Zion!

Get out of my face with your "Iran" anlysis. You're completely ignorant there too. Religious discrimination is religious discrimination. For years, there was plenty of it here in the West and we are still seeing it. Catholics, Jews, all had to deal with it in America. I know you personally don't care about their struggles, but don't cheapen it for the rest of us.

Again, digging yourself a bigger hole, you didn't (couldn't) respond to my points.

1. Carson did not run as a Muslim and there was no reason for you to act like a bigot and say he "must be watched." Dispite all your double-tongued BS on how Islam sucks. You specifically said he must be watched because he converted.

2. Mainstream Islam is the religion of the majority of muslims in the world. You insult it, you insult the majority of the 1 Billion Muslims. Just like insulting "mainstream judaism" or "mainstream christianity". Your attempts to "single out" one religion and consider it inferior to your own is bigotry!

3.  You do have a problem with an islamic community. You think it's more dangerous and problematic to associate oneself with an islamic group in the US, but not any other religion. Again: bigot.

have fun laughing some more....

LOL II

Yes, mainstream Islam is that in our day and age unfortunately, however there is a difference between mainstream Islam and majority of muslims. Mainstream Islam is how Islam is being interpreted officially by all accepted mainstream authorities. Muslims however do not necessarily follow the rulings in its fullness and reach some sort of a compromise, and this is practicing muslims. There are also many who are just muslims by birth and are actually quite secular in conduct.

There is nothing wrong with a community associating itself to a religion. There is something to watch for when such a community covets for political positions in a free and secular state with laws that are already secular and do not discriminate against any religious minority. The case of religious communities in a religious theocracy like Iran is completely different. They are discriminated against because the state is religious and consequently segregates the population into believers and infidels with different sets of laws and as such does not allow by law any kind of power to any individual member of a religious minority group, precisely because it can only associate that person`s identity as that of the group and is unable to consider people as individuals with equal rights because of the religious nature of the government. It is precisely to danger of such a system that generates the need to watch such developments closely in a secular and liberal society like the United States.

It is amazing Q that in every single comment and post you are constantly defending and whitewashing this exact mentality and trying to find excuses to cover up the dangers that lurk within. That is why you constantly try to derive equivalences to the practice of Islamic barbarism in Iran every single opportunity that you get. This by itself is revealing enough.

Let's keep this going

I wouldn't mind at all if this conversation ended up on the most commented list.

This is getting much better...

I understand it fine, my racist friend. You don't know how to express it.

What I am talking about is that a person (or a community) reduces its identity to a religion.

Nope. You're bullshitting in your usual bigotted style. Why would you claim that's what you meant when Carson does not reduce his identity to his religion? Why would you bring it up otherwise, as you did in your first post. Conclusion: you are the liar, and are trying to once again to cover your ass when I'm throwing your own words back in your face.

these words are very valuable. Thank You for being so honest about your bigotry.

I did say, and it is absolutely true, that the mainstream Islam is a violent anti-democratic anti-secular anti-semitic knot of problems. You got that right! But only a freak would confuse expressing a truth with `condemning a billion people`.

Hm... 1 Billion Muslims, vast majority of them are "mainstream" (that's the definition), and you are NOT condeming them as "anti-democratic anti-secular anti-semitic"? What exactly does it mean to say those things about their religion, which they follow (the mainstream kind) ? So what are they, just stupid?

What if  I say "Mainstream Judaism is violent, militant, opportunistic, primitive, lawless and racist, but hey, I'm not condeming its followers, just the religion." You see? Well, no you don't because you can't imagine what it's like to be someone else. You lack that basic human quality, or the golden rule.  Nevermind, you don't understand.

` that means he must be watched just because he is muslim? ` Yes, because he chose to convert to Islam and that is the present condition of Islam.

This is bigotry. I'm sorry you don't see it, but I'm beyond expecting you to think rationaly.

A community that defines itself with its religion, not an ethnicity, a nationality, a culture and a religion in a crisis of dominant ideological fascistic interpretations at the time being, celebrating the ascendence of someone it considers as belonging to them to a political position of power is a threat to secular and liberal ideals and must be watched.

What a bunch of double-toungued bullshit... You really have to work hard to make this about Islam and no other religion. I'm impressed with the sheer attempt at drawing bullshit distinctions. Do you guys go to school for this crap?

It's clear you're exactly as I described you. A pathetic bigot of a human being, too obsessed in self-rightously judging others to see the monster in him/herself...

This is valuable material for my book...

By the way, 2 (of the many) things you chose not to answer tells me s lot about you. First was "Muslim bad, Jew good." Looks like I described you perfectly. Second was are you a biggot or are you suspicious of all other religions? The answer is an enthusiastic: "Yes, I'm a bigot. Even though I know jack about Islam, I am willing to decide what's mainstream Islam and condemn it. But not any other religion."

Lastly. You are attacking the very idea of a religious community when you know well that many religious communities (including some in Iran) are under attack. Now you've pulled this stupid idea out of your ass, that it's somhow illegitimate to see yourself as part of a religion. Whatever... this is called freedom of association and you obviously don't understand it. But that's a quality common to most bigots.

LOL

Q you crack me up! ha ha ... It`s quite funny to see you foam in mouth actually confirming what I say despite all your vitriol.

` McCain Identifies Himself as a Baptist` Q, have you finally gone totally nuts?
Read the article: `Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who has long identified himself as an Episcopalian, said this weekend that he is a Baptist and has been for years.` He is `making it known` that he is a baptist now. Can`t you simply understand the distinction between the usages of the words and what they mean? What I am talking about is that a person (or a community) reduces its identity to a religion. The person`s essential Identity Q, among all the things that can be attributed with someone the one main thing that he/she chooses to be the essential one that represents his/her totality of being, do you understand this? In how many more paragraphs should I explain this? It is a different concept from identifying something to a people as in declaring it for the first time. It is different from identifying with something as in having compassion with it... .

`Most of the "flag burnings" are not because of Islam, it's because of US and Israeli BOMBS killing people.`
Rubbish. It ranges from cartoons to little piggy toys, from women insisting of keeping their niqabs to misquoting the Pope. Stop your pathetic lies, Q.

`You just condemned 1 Billion Muslims of having a "mainstream" view of violence. ` I did say, and it is absolutely true, that the mainstream Islam is a violent anti-democratic anti-secular anti-semitic knot of problems. You got that right! But only a freak would confuse expressing a truth with `condemning a billion people`.

` that means he must be watched just because he is muslim? ` Yes, because he chose to convert to Islam and that is the present condition of Islam. Not all muslims, but the almost all mainstream muslim authorities that define and set the agenda of Islam belong to this violent problematic anti-modern gang. So anyone in the US linked to such a group must be watched. It is just natural and sane to propose this as well as to do this.

`you are a biggot. ` No I am not. I am just saying it as it is. :)

`This is a breakthrough for a community that has not been represented in US politics. By any measure it is a congratulation-able event.` THERE YOU GO. A community that defines itself with its religion, not an ethnicity, a nationality, a culture and a religion in a crisis of dominant ideological fascistic interpretations at the time being, celebrating the ascendence of someone it considers as belonging to them to a political position of power is a threat to secular and liberal ideals and must be watched. No doubt about it. You finally said it for me yourself. Thanks. (for the good laugh as well!)

Zion, you are just a sad and ignorant biggot

what's more, you are too brainwashed to see it yourself. All your posts anywhere can be summed up in one sentence: "Muslim Bad, Jew Good." Now, that's fundementalism.

Since you're too far gone to understand what I write anymore, don't beother reading. This is not for you. At this point you are just a case study in racist biggotry serving as an example for others to see.

Point 1. "identifies himself with his religion"

Q, I said `identifies himself with his religion` you twisted i last time as `he identifies with his religion` which has a completely different meaning.

OK, you said "identifies himself with his religion" right? And I responded with this article: McCain Identifies Himself as a Baptist. You see? Simple logic "his religion" = "baptist" and he identifies himself with it. Your well-known bullshitting tactic to get out of your own words is getting rediculous. Either you misspoke yourself the first time and are not willing to admit it (there's a big suprise, you admit a mistake??? ) or McCain is doing exactly what you accuse Muslims of doing.

Point 2. "fringe" fundementalism

Do you understand what stereotyping is? You just condemned 1 Billion Muslims of having a "mainstream" view of violence. Who the hell are you to judge what's "fringe" and what's "mainstream"? Only if you're a biggot, or your only source of information is FOX News will you be this sweeping with your baseless generalizations. In addition, you either don't understand or intentionally conflate nationalism, anti-colonialism, legitimate resistance to foreign occupation and influence with "Islam." Most of the "flag burnings" are not because of Islam, it's because of US and Israeli BOMBS killing people.

Point 3. Muslims "must be watched"

I do not know much about Mr. Carson. It is not to his article that I am responding. I said he must be watched.

Ok. I don't know if your islamaphobic biggotry can get any clearer for all to see. So you don't know anything about Crason, but he must be watched? Why? If you don't know anything (there's a tautology), that means he must be watched just because he is muslim? Right? Why else should he be watched? What if I said the same thing about Jews or Christians? Carson has rarely even talked about his religion. You have no clue if he belongs to any radical ideology, by your own admission, you don't know anything about him. So why must he be watched? It's a simple question. Is this anything other than pure biggotry?

Either anyone of any religion must be watched, or you are a biggot. Which is it?

We both know what's going on. You are a biggot. You are an islamaphobe. You make sweeping generalization that you do not make about any other religion or group of people. You want to say, "all muslims are radical", based on your flawed perception fueled by war profiteers and fundementalists of a different kind. It's not rocket science, anyone can read your writing and see for themselves.

It is you people here who congratulate the second `muslim` appointee

This is a breakthrough for a community that has not been represented in US politics. By any measure it is a congratulation-able event. You are threatened by this and the possiblity that some may want to take pride in this event. Well, too bad for you. You have personal issues to sort out.

Thank You for becoming a referencable text book on hate and biggotry for others to study.

Iranian, they don`t?

What is this then:
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Just one example among myriad...myriad!

Twisting as usual

Q, I said `identifies himself with his religion` you twisted i last time as `he identifies with his religion` which has a completely different meaning. So it is you who are changing your story all the time. You of all people need not talk about lying here for the res of us!

Now you can link to fringe fundamentalists among Christians, but that is what they are: fringe. Not so in Islam. It is the mainstream Islam, the authorities in Islam, the majorities in muslim countries that say this stuff, that demonstrate, the burn flags. Also even the fringe lunatics in Christianity only say and preach this kind of nonsense, they usually do not impose it on others, they do not behead those they disagree with on a regular basis or blow themselves up in abortion clinics. Islamists do.

I do not know much about Mr. Carson. It is not to his article that I am responding. I said h must be watched. It is you people here who congratulate the second `muslim` appointee and reduce his identity to his Islamic faith, it is because of people like you that such figures and such developments must be watched carefully and caution be made.

Zion, What about these guys?

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Have they accepted life under secularism? Do they not engage in violence against those they don't like? (Abortion clinics, gays, blacks)

I can't wait til you attempt to draw another orwellian "distinction" that justifies this kind of hate over some other.

It sounds to me like McCain should be "watched closely" as well. Don't you think he should be stereotyped because some other people of his religion are hateful?

By the way, nice try attempting to bullshit your way our of your own words, which I repeat:

Someone who has actually converted to Islam and identifies himself with his religion is someone to watch closely.

Ok, you're changing your story now, fine. But Remind me again, how Carson falls into this category but McCain doesn't? How does he "primarily" identify himself "not with his constituency or ethnic background, but by his religion." ?

I have a feeling you were just lying as usual. But you're welcome to prove me wrong.

Give yourself a break Zion

At least Muslims don't blame all Jews for the evil atrocities of the Zionist regime of Israel but you are blaming all Muslims for the bad actions of a few radical Muslims.

That is the difference between radicals like yourself and other regular people. I think that you should look yourself in the mirror before you call anyone pathetic.

Differences

Converting is no problem, neither is personal religious convictions of any politician or remarks they make about the cultural influences of religion.
The problem is when a politician is primarily identified, not with his constituency or ethnic background, but by his religion. It is pathetic of you Q, once again, to play on meaning of words. Anyone can identify with his/her religion, that is an idiom in english to mean have affections towards it. My point was when someone`s identity is his religion rather than his nationality or ethnicity. Pathetic!
And especially when that religion happens to be Islam. Baptists or buddhists for that matter do not engage in bombings and beheadings. They have already accepted life under modern secularism, not so with Islam. It is only Islam today that has thousands and thousands of its supporters around the world burning flags, killing nurses or beheading journalists and holding such banners:
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Zion, please don't scare good people

There has been actually many cases that Jewish people converted to Islam here in the U.S.

Before, they were honorable God loving Jews, now they are honorable God loving Muslims and have become our close brothers.

Please don't scare good people.

Zion: I agree, Senator McCain poses "very serious danger"

You wrote:

Someone who has actually converted to Islam and identifies himself with his religion is someone to watch closely.

You said something about seperation of Church and State?

But there's nothing wrong per-se on being a baptist or Christian. 

Yes, I agree. There is much potential danger and these people need to be watched. Thank you for your consistency. I assume you will write posts against John McCain as well as against Muslim convert condidates?

The real danger

There is nothing wrong per se for people who happen to be muslims as well to get into US politics. However there is no reason they should be identifies with their religion rather than their ethnicity. The fact that they are muslims should be irrelevant. If it is not, then there is a problem. If any person identifies herself primarily by Islam, which is a religion, this clashes with the separation of chucrh and state in the secular western countries. That is why measures should be taken as fast as possible to prevent this particular subgroup to sneak into American politics (and European as well, although it might well be too late for Europe already). Someone who has actually converted to Islam and identifies himself with his religion is someone to watch closely. There is a very serious danger here if this trend manages to take over.

A handy five-point plan for

A handy five-point plan for countering "Islamophobia":

1. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
2. Renounce definitively not just "terrorism," but any intention to replace the U.S. Constitution (or the constitutions of any non-Muslim state) with Sharia even by peaceful means.
3. Teach Muslims the imperative of coexisting peacefully as equals with non-Muslims on an indefinite basis.
4. Begin comprehensive international programs in mosques all over the world to teach against the ideas of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism.
5. Actively work with Western law enforcement officials to identify and apprehend jihadists within Western Muslim communities.

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aaj sr where did they...

get their data from? Was it from an objective source? I am certainly cuirous to know.

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia

he will do just fine!

Blacks and Hispanics overcame much more obstacles 50 years ago (and still overcoming). Just because the country is racist doesn't mean you can't change it.

The Muslims will do fine in this country. I would not be surprised if there is one or two new ones every 4 years elected to Congress from now on. They are professionals, smart, family oriented and well off financially. They can make the system work for them and they will. It is coming, mark my words! And yes, there will be some more muslim friendly legislation. There is nothing wrong with that.

As for those who "cheshme didan nadarand" and want to minimize this important milestone, I think you will be sorely disappointed. This was a major defeat. The first one is always hardest.

This is a heavy democratic district with lots of african americans. Mr. Carson is now the leading candidate and will have an incumbent's advantage. He will not be a "temp" in the remaining 8 months, he will be fundraisng and making connections, building on the late Carson's political network. The type of thing that congressmen always do and their opponents can't as easily.

Come November, he will have the most popular man in America (Obama) campaign for him. The news couldn't be better for Carson. What else could he have done to do better? Who has a better chance than him in this district? Who has more name recognition or the party backing?

Those who insist otherwise, just don't live in this reality. Perhaps they don't understand American politics. Or they want him to lose just because he is Muslim.

Actually, I think if these types of people are more vocal, it would help him a lot as he would ride the anti-racist backlash. So... by all means, help create a fundraising mail campaign for Carson.