Gaza Attack News and Open Thread

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Gaza Attack News and Open Thread
by Q
01-Jun-2010
 

Since the usual mob of so-called Persian "patriots" is clearly uncomfortable talking about Israeli war crimes (or anything other than their own agenda), I propose we have an open thread where the latest from the Gaza crisis can be discussed.

First, let me say, that those people who constantly moan about "I don't care about X, this is IRANIAN.COM, not X.COM", are clearly wrong. Many of them are disingenuous. This has been proven several times. Most recently it was proven again when I put up news stories of Iranians getting killed in Iraq, and the inhuman and hostile reaction some of these "patriots" exhibited was telling.

A smaller group is clearly just protecting Israel against criticism. We have all met these people, some of them right-of-center thinkers who admire Israel's modernity, power and authority and don't care about much else. Some of them are Iranian Jews who have found a sense of pride and belonging in the dominant Israeli narrative in the West, and this is their way of protecting that feeling. Some are brought up to equate Islam with Arabs and evil and since Israel is "against" Arabs, they think Israel must be a friend, so they are just protecting friends from "enemies" by trying to silence criticism of Israel.

One way this hypocrisy becomes obvious is with their own conduct. They claim they support freedom of speech and also that we should not waste energy on Palestine when there are human rights violations in Iran. Both are valid points of view. But why would a person who has these views waste time actually criticizing others who do write about Palestine? Does that sound like someone who wants to just concern themselves with Iranian human rights? Why would someone like that care, for example, that Iran has requested Intropol investigations of Israeli officials?

Not everyone is a hypocrite of course, far from it, even here. Some people genuinely just think the Palestinian issue has nothing to do with us, and they do not want to lose focus on Iran. While I can respect their honesty, I think they are misguided. The world is incredibly interconnected. Crisis in the Middle East as well as anything having to do with Israel, Turkey, US is very relevant to Iran, relevant to the future of our country, and to the future of the people in it, including those who are seeking democratic changes.

However, I didn't really mean to get off on a rant here. I did not make this blog to talk about why the Gaza massacre is relevant to us, I will write an article about that part soon. Here, I just want to give a central location to those who do care about what is going on to comment, share links and ideas. I humbly ask those who do not care to stay out of this as to not cause themselves any unnecessary headaches.

The Picture is of the Nobel Elders Group, founded by Nelson Mandela and comprised of Nobel Peace prize winners who are active in human rights issues. It just released the statement on the Gaza crisis, which in part reads:

“The Elders have condemned the reported killing by Israeli forces of more than a dozen people who were attempting to deliver relief supplies to the Gaza Strip by sea,” the 12—member group said in a statement issued in Johannesburg, where it met over the weekend.

The group, which was launched by Mr. Mandela on his birthday in 2007 to try to solve some of the world’s most intractable conflicts, called for a “full investigation” of the incident and urged the UN Security Council “to debate the situation with a view to mandating action to end the closure of the Gaza Strip.” “This tragic incident should draw the world’s attention to the terrible suffering of Gaza’s 1.5 million people, half of whom are children under the age of 18,” the group said.

This comes in the wake of the UN Security Council action after a 12 hour emergency meeting. It was predictably watered down by Israel's main supporter, the United States. But it was passed anyway. See: UN Security Council Condemns Israel for Violence in Gaza Raid, Seeks Probe.

Lastly, I want to leave you with this short interview by Dr. Norman Finkelstein, himself an American Jew and son of two holocaust survivors who has dedicated his life to battling the inhuman Israeli policies and their corrupt cheerleaders in American media and society. Here he talks about why Israeli is officially a "Lunatic State":

So please share your feelings and links.
See Mola's blog here: //iranian.com/main/blog/mola-nasredeen/co...

Update: See Zedbazi's excellent Gaza solidarity song made during Israel's previous crimes in 2009.

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Fair

by Doctor X on

Eh!!! you Just mentioned the word Demand. Why are you lying?

If you believe in Freedom of expression, Then you MUST also respect the right of the individual to use that freedom when it is appropriate, Not when you DEMAND It like you did. And Yes You sure Did mix things up.

If you think that the proper response to such a simple question is a personal attack, then you are the one being unreasonable and illogical.  In a BIG way.

LOL good try, Nice going there bud. I DO NOT, let me say that again I DO NOT think a personal attack is a right way to respond to anything, YOU on the other hand ARE the one Who thinks everyone is gearing up to launch attacks on you. THE REASON that is happening is because you are voicing very very Illogical and totally Mundane demands and basically being a prick. What do you expect in return?


Fair

Doctor X

by Fair on

I don't demand anything.  I just wonder what a person's stance is.  They are free to answer as they please.

You are the one mixing several issues.  I have just a very simple question to see how fair and balanced the author of this blog is.  I am not seeking to change any outcome of any situation or a "confession" out of anybody.  I believe in freedom of expression, unlike the IRI, which some people have so much difficulty condeming. Who is the one coercing confessions out of people, and who are the ones condemning such coercions?

If you think that the proper response to such a simple question is a personal attack, then you are the one being unreasonable and illogical.  In a BIG way.

 

-Fair


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Fair

by Doctor X on

It does not make sense. You are Intertwining several unrelated issued together in a deliberate attempt to make some look Guilty. That has no impact whatsoever on anything.

Fairness? are You applying the concept of fairness by mentioning how someone has failed misreably by not answering one question (or the posssibility that he or she may have provided an answer for you?) The answer to which has more than likely no profound and positive on the outcome of the situation as a whole?

You can not "demand" anything, from anybody let alone honesty. That would be tantamount to torturing someone in order to get a confession out of him. Some people choose to be honest and come to grips with Certain issues and some people choose not to. Assuming that there was a plan to democratize the country, would Not getting your desired response have prompted to you hault everything Until you did?

Personal attacks, or what you perceive to be such an attack don't just happen. they are caused and brought about by Unreasonable and Illogical expectations.

 


Arthimis

Arbo/IslamMilitaryForum,

by Arthimis on

To keh raast migi, vali ... .... Adameh doorooghgoo ;-) back at you, ahlan va sahlan :D


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How the journalists are silenced

by IranMilitaryForum.net on

here in the US:

 

"Thomas has had one of the most distinguished journalism careers over the
past half-century in Washington"

//www.freep.com/article/20100607/NEWS07/10060...

 

;-)


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Can you raise your

by IranMilitaryForum.net on

voice VPK. We can hardley hear you day after day. You are loosing your cloaked green color and showing your sky blue!

 

;-)


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

IMF

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

You are mixing South Lebanon for Iran again. Listen: Iran is next to the Persian Gulf. Lebanon is the on north of Israel. Got it! If not then google "Lebanon" and "Iran" to see the difference ; sheesh. You need a geography lesson. VPK

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Oshtor

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

If we sent anything to Iran "molla khor mishe; shoma bayad khodeton khob bedoonid".  No thanks, I will keep what I got here. You sent it to the Pals so they are well fed. Next time the Arabs want to attack Iran they need to be well fed and strong don't they?


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Mola Jan

by IranMilitaryForum.net on

These charactors are and have never been for Iran. They are nothing but armchair violence instigators from afar. They wish to bring Iran down much like Iraq and hand hand us the Democracy that Iraqis have today.

Imagine, if the following is the color of the democracy here in the US, what do you think their version of Democracy will look like for Iranians?

//iranian.com/main/news/2010/06/07/white-...

 

and here:

//iranian.com/main/news/2010/06/07/milita...

 

;-)


Mola Nasredeen

To Hot air Coalition: Why don't you fill up a ship loaded with

by Mola Nasredeen on

supplies for the Iranian poor? Who is stopping you?

Why don't you go back to Iran and fight the regime there?

Why do you always whine when somebody criticize Israel?

Because hot air is the only thing that you can produce. I know it and you know it too.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

In 1979

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Iranian people went through a period of mass insanity. Brought on by the siren voices of:

Bazargan; Shariati; Al Ahmad and the rest of the xenophobic throwbacks. These idiots brainwashed a whole nation with the false promise of Islamism. Then as per orders of their masters on Britain set up "Imam" Khomeini. A half Indian half Brrit and full Iran hater. The gullible people of Iran followed him to their deaths.

Now more than 30 years later a once prosperous nation is a slave to an insane gang. I will never forgive those who followed these people. Thankfully the youth is opening their eyes.

The new national awakening requires us to reject Islam once for all. With that regain our nation.

Damn the traitors to Iran Zamin

VPK

 


MM

Disenchanted - Now replace Israel with IRI in your words

by MM on

So you care about Hamas/Hezbollah more than us?!

by XXX on

 

      You are either naive, ignorant, uneducated or downright IRI agents logging in trying to cover up crimes of Islamists!

      Now, those of you who are not agents, don't blow your top! That is a fact that IRI propaganda machine has been in high gear since the world has caught up with their nasty crimes trying to defend the indefensible in all disguises since 1979, and in particular since June 12th 2009!

    To those of you who are naive, IRI is the single most urgent existential threat facing Iran and Iranian people. THEY Just killed 5 Kurds for no reason what so ever! Hello!!!! You care about Hamas/Hezbollah but wanna have nothing to do with Iran?! HOW NAIVE!!

 No one in this thread has defended the thugs who ran over people in streets of Tehran with trucks and committed other atrocities. Israel may be killing Palestinian in tens and they should stand trial but IRI has killed thousands of us Iranians!

   True this is Iranian.com and as such it is The place to talk about IRI threats towards Iranian people and world at large.

     .....................................

Don't get offended. Get enlightened.


Fair

Iran's treatment of journalists deplored

by Fair on

Since Q has kindly reported only one of the statements of Reporters wihtout Borders, it may interest you that this same organization (of course a very credible one) has issued even a stronger statement about the Islamic rapist republic's treatment of Iranian journalists:

//en.rsf.org/iran-iran-is-world-s-biggest-pri...

That is right- the Islamic Republic (who Q refuses to condemn specifically) is made Iran the world's largest prison for journalists.

Now imagine if Israel said they would be willing to  support a military rescue mission for these journalists.  How upset would Q and his camel pet become?:)

-Fair

 


Arthimis

In 1979, Iran was invaded

by Arthimis on

In 1979, Iran was invaded and occupied by a regime that its leader
and all the others who have been running this horror show since were and
have been trained and supported by Foreign Powers who wanted our Oil
and Gas.... Islamic (Satanic) Republic has been the best customer of
Those Imperialist in West and now in East... For 31 years they have
bought things at up to 100 times more than its original value, while
draining our countries/nations wealth in Godzillions of $$$$!!! Had Iran
been a democratic country, we would have bought their junks  and sold
our resources at an acceptable international value and exchange... Iran
must remain a villian (ie, by I.R.) for all those blood suckers to
justify their evil actions against our country and nation!

But nothing stays the same, Iranians are waking up, slowely, but surely!

Ba Sepaas,

Free Iran and True Iranians.


Fair

Hooshie

by Fair on

As you can see, the hopeless Q is still at it, proving what a hypocrite he is.  How hard is it to say:

"I condemn the crimes against humanity by the Islamic republic under Khomeini, Khamenei, and Mousavi".

 

I clearly have said and will repeat here:

"I condemn crimes committed against people of Gaza and all Palestinians by Israel".

There, how hard was that?  

What does it say about someone who cries injustice from one party when they will not state such a simple position on injustice by another party?  And instead will attack the readers with profanity and bringing their families into this?  This sick hypocrite has a long history of doing such things and to expect any reason from such a mentally damaged person is just futile.

And your question to Q about child molestation is also amusing:)

Perhaps Q can state his position also on the Islamic republic's allowing of minor girls to be married?  Or will the hypocrite attack you and me instead for asking the "wrong" question:)?

-Fair


Fair

Doctor X

by Fair on

I am frustrated?  I am not the one attacking people and bringing their families into arguments and using profanity against people.  I am just asking a simple question to see if the other side is fair- if they are willing to condemn crimes of their own government as well as those of Israel.

Condemning events will not bring back lost lives, but it will indicate some degree of fairness.  So far the other side has failed miserably.  It doesn't take away from me one bit, it just shows how empty they are.

If you want democratization of this country, the first step is to come to terms with our history and be honest with ourselves.  All I am "demanding" is honesty.  As you can see, all that is coming back is endless hypocrisy and personal attacks.

So you can tell me now, who is the one who is really frustrated here?

-Fair


Arthimis

Disenchanted, indeed!

by Arthimis on

First of all F@$k Israel, Palestine and you for labeling True Iranians a Zionist and Israel supporter, OK! You are a child, a parnoid child like those crazy Israelis, Palestinians and Islamic/Satanic Republic who are in need of serious medications and life long Psycho Therapy!!

Did Israel threat Iran and Iranians during the Shah's time ? Yes or No?

Or are you too young and naive to even know that!!!

Islamic/ Satanic Republic and all its evil supporters and ilks are the NO. 1 threat to Iran and True Iranians.

Number two threats to Iran and Iranians are :

Russia, China, United damn Kingdom, United States, Amost all Western Europeans, some eastern Europeans as well, Japan, Turkey and Israel is almost the last freaking enemy OK! Iran (the second producer of natural gas and oil in the world has been sold in auction in the past 31 years to benefit all the countries mentioned above, while our people have paid the ultimate price with their precious blood OK!!!

Israeli subs in Persian Gulf? Are you on drugs?? If a Satanic regime like I.R. and you people don't f@$k with the Paranoid Israel (like during the Shah era) they have no problems with you. Those A-holes have to go through entire Jordan, Iraq, before reaching us OK, joojeh?! (look at the world map closely!!

As I said before, If you are a True Iranian, then you know who your real enemies are!!! 

Disenchanted, you have a lot of growing up to do...

Free Iran and True Iranians.

 


Darveesh

Israel just killed in cold blood 9 ..... proud moment

by Darveesh on

check you sources.

it is 19 people, all execution style.

One of which was an American citizen age 19, shot once in the heart and 4 times in the head, for which american taxpayers proudly forked the bill for the bullets they expensed.

not to mention a 22 year american girl who was shot in the eye by tear gas grenade during demonstration against israel's massacre of 19 people in aid flotilla.


Disenchanted

So you care about IRAN more than us?!

by Disenchanted on

 

      You are either naive, ignorant, uneducated or downright Mossad agents logging in trying to cover up crimes of Zionists!

      Now, those of you who are not agents, don't blow your top! That is a fact that Israeli propaganda machine has been in high gear since the world has caught up with their nasty crimes trying to defend the indefensible in all disguises!

    To those of you who are naive, Israel is the single most urgent existential threat facing Iran and Iranian people. THEY Just parked 3 nuclear subs next to Iran! Hello!!!! You care about Iran but wanna have nothing to do with Israel?! HOW NAIVE!!

 No one in this thread has defended the thugs who ran over people in streets of Tehran with trucks and committed other atrocities. They may be killing our people in hundreds and they should stand trial but Israel plans to kill us in millions!

   True this is Iranian.com and as such it is The place to talk about Israeli threats concerning Iranian people and world at large.

     Israel just killed in cold blood 9 citizens of Turkey in international waters! yesterday was Lebanon, today is Turkey, tomorrow will be Iran. wake up you folks! wake up!

    Iran anniversary of the stolen election is coming in few days. We will observe that anniversary and won't let the sacrifice and blood of our compatriots be forgotten. Rest assured we know what you know and care about what you care. It just we see a couple of steps ahead of you.

Don't get offended. Get enlightened.


Arthimis

Mola Nasredeen!

by Arthimis on

Haji,

FYI and other Iranians, I did fight for Iran and true Iranians when I was much younger... However, since you seem to be an I.R. supporter, I'm not even going into details about my fights against your ilk...

You and your ilk are too small for Iran and me as an Iranian, trust me... I have done my fights and helps for Iran in the past and now it is up to the new generation to continue our path to finally FREE IRAN from you Non-Iranians, OK!

There is nothing wrong about helping mankind (Palestinians included) But you and your ilk are trying to brainwash my people here (especially the young Iranian generation) by your Palestine and Israel bullshit, and as an Iranian, it is my duty to stop you any which way I possibly can!

Now go back  and report this to your Hezbolah head quarter and bosses !!!

Iran and Iranians have resisted you for 1400 years on so many occasions... This past 31 dark years in Iran's history shall be wipped off and thrown in the historical garbage as well...

Iran and True Iranians will be FREE of Islam, Arab backward influences once and for all, Mark my words! Iran and True Iranians will be VICTORIOUS!!! 


MM

BTW VPK

by MM on

I would not patent Carter's face since as well as being an appetite suppressant, it is also a potent emetic agent.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

MM

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

You are also welcome to go back to IRI where you will not hear the voices of the oppressed.  

Shotor is afraid going back to IRI means hearing screams of torture victims. 

VPK


MM

Shotor Khaan - no one is trying to silence you

by MM on

Unlike Iran, we like to hear the opinions of the oppressed as well as the oppressors, anti-IRI as well as IRI-supporters.  What many are saying is to have compassion and balance when talking about atrocities, and since this is Iranian.com, they would also like to hear condemnation of atrocities within Iran.

You are also welcome to go back to IRI where you will not hear the voices of the oppressed.  But, if you do, make sure you change your avatar and stay away from sex, since the penalty for sex with a camel is 3 months jail for the human and the slaughterhouse for the camel (//www.boxingscene.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-49081.html).


Mola Nasredeen

koochooloo,

by Mola Nasredeen on

You've got it wrong again! It's them who are trying to spam this blog with their non-comments in order to silence it. Not the other way around.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

By the

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

way. Whenever I go to this page and see Carter's ugly grin I lose my appetite. I want to patent this as weight loss method.  Pictures of JC & his gang of elders. Only for the strong of stomach.
Lose weight without drugs!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Just once

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I want to see either Molla or Q put Iran somewhere in their thoughts. I know it is too much to ask them to put Iran first; second or in the top 20 . But at least somewhere in their minds. 

Too bad Arab parast here have no room for Iran. To them Iran is just a tool nothing more. To use to promote their Tazi brothers and sisters.  


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Mola

by sag koochooloo on

Everyone is allowed to make their point, despite You trying to silence them. The point people are making is not about suffering which happens everywhere, but hypocrisy.


Mola Nasredeen

If writing about other people's sufferings bothers you so much

by Mola Nasredeen on

Arthimis take action as follow: 

1. Take a plane to Iran, you maybe homesick and not know it. 

2. Join the resistence preferably the Greens.

3. Fill up a ship with supplies and take it to Iran and give it to the poor.

4. If you can't go to Iran then do the following: Stay away from this website.

5. Turn off your TV, throw away your papers. 

6. Meditate on compassion for others.

So these are some of your options but Please stop whining so much. You're wasting your time here trying to silence others about the issues they care.


Arthimis

Have we truly fixed anything

by Arthimis on

Have we truly fixed anything about our own problems and have we
already liberated ourselves from all the crimes and injustices that have
been inflicted upon us by IRI so far that now we find it absolutely
necessary to have to concentrate on other nations and countries
problems???  For God sake, LAST TIME I CHECKED, I WAS AN IRANIAN AND
APPARENTLY YOU ARE CLAIMING THE SAME HERE!!!! (IS THAT TRUE OR NOT?)
HERE ON "iranian.com" !!! Note: Not Palestinian.com, Not Israeli.com,
not any other nation's.com ... This is iranian.com !!! Get real and be
honest with yourselves at least!!! You might think, you can fool the
world, but the real danger is when you fool yourself and worse, you
later believe it!!!!

 

 

 

اگر ایرانی‌ واقعی‌ هستی‌، اول درد ایران و ایرانی‌ را دوا کن.۳۱
سال است که ایران به وسیله یک مشت مریض روانی‌، جانی و شکنجه گر، اشغال شده
و یک مشت مثلا ایرانی‌ و از خدا بی‌ خبر سنگ ملت فلسطین رو به سینه
میمالند!!! آخه، تو رو به خدا، به پیر و پیغمبر ، اول فکری و مهمتر، یک کار
مثبتی برای ایران و ایرانی‌ به خاک و خون کشیده بکنید و بعد بیایید و کاسه
از آش داغ تر برای این و اون شید... خاک بر سرمان و آن مثلا شرفمان که
درباره مردم و کشورمان که هر روز دارن کشته، زندانی و اعدام میشن در سکوت
نشسته‌ایم و دنبال بدبختی فلسطینیها هستیم!!!؟؟؟ خاک بر سرمون


Ari Siletz

Quite to the point, VPK

by Ari Siletz on

Free speech is a two way street, but like our Filbert street in San Francisco it's often seriously uphill one way and requires good brakes in the other direction.