Quintessential Questions

failure of logic

Craig,

I have explained this many times to Jamshid, now you too can benefit from the concept. It's called "argument from ignorance" or "negative proof" please look it up.

Can I ask you why you believe they aren't? Is it just because they say they want nuclear technology for purely peaceful purposes? It seems to me that since the IRI by all appearnaces has never been honest about anything that should be another strike against them. But you would take them at their word on this one?

Yawn...

It doesn't matter what you BELIEVE. There has been no proof of weaponization. Exactly the same status as so-called Iraqi WMDs. Except in the case of Iraq, there was a history of its use. Even that is not present for Iran. You can't shift the burden of proof to the negative. Logic doesn't work that way. You either CAN or CAN'T prove Iran is "pursuing" weapons. And there has been no such proof yet.

I personally don't have any problem with Iran having nuclear weapons. I have a problem with the Islamic Republic having nuclear weapons.

Sadly, national rights are not dependent your liking or disliking particular governments.

Now, back to my question:

Now, back to my question: what overriding logic makes you convinced that the Islamic Republic is going for the Bomb?

It would take me hours to explain to you in detail what I believe motivates the regime in Iran, and I'm not willing to invest that much effort. Sorry. Can I ask you why you believe they aren't? Is it just because they say they want nuclear technology for purely peaceful purposes? It seems to me that since the IRI by all appearnaces has never been honest about anything that should be another strike against them. But you would take them at their word on this one? Honestly, I find it surprising how many Iranians on this site automatically see malicious intent and deception in everything the US does (and don't get me started on the AIPAC conspiracy theories) and at the same time want Americans to take the words of a regime like the Islamic Republic at face value.

By the way, are you aware of any examples of countries who started secret nuclear programs and had poor/hostile relations with many other countries, and stopped at peaceful nuclear technology? I'm not, but I admit I haven't looked into it.

And just for the record, I personally don't have any problem with Iran having nuclear weapons. I have a problem with the Islamic Republic having nuclear weapons.

ex-Prog Craig

I am not really discussing or debating your programming skills here. Whether you are a skilled programmer or not (or even a programmer at all) is not the issue here. I only appealed to your common sense - you call it logic, I call it facts and figures. By the way, math and computing are like cousins if not siblings - they both trade in logic, don't they? So why should it surprise you if people question you on your math skills? And as for your second question, I hope I am not disappointing you when I say: no I am not whoever you think I may be. This is my first time that I come across your username and I haven't had the pleasure of meeting you before.

Now, back to my question: what overriding logic makes you convinced that the Islamic Republic is going for the Bomb?

salman farsi

As a good programmer that I am sure you are you must be dealing with facts and figures and not on fantasy and fiction. 

Nope! Programming is pure logic, and that's what I try to base my opinions on. Logic and analysis. And in my humble programmer opinion (I'm sure you know how modest programmers are) I'm pretty good at it.

Now I have a couple questions for you!

1) What makes you think "facts & figures" or "fantsay & fiction" have anything to do with computer programming? That's as bad as the people who find out I'm a programmer and say "Oh! You must be good at math!" - and I haven't heard that one in 15 years.

2) What was that other guy's name who kept bringing up alleged lack of programming skills in order to prove me wrong? I forgot, but he's gone and now you're here. Are you him? I'm just curious, I don't really care about all the alternating sock puppets floating around this place anymore.

ex-PC

If you are so opinionated that in your words:

" the jews don't have to do a damn thing to conivince me that IRI wants
to build nuclear weapons. You, on the other hand, are going to ahve to
work really hard to convince me they aren't."

then I suppose you must have based your accusations on hard facts and not on mere opinion. As a good programmer that I am sure you are you must be dealing with facts and figures and not on fantasy and fiction. 

salman farsi

Where do you come from that you think people have to prove their personal opinions? If opinions could be proven they would be facts, right? Not opinions?

ex-PC; the onus of proof is on you

You are the one who appear to be accusing the IRI of having hostile intentions. I am simply returning the ball to your court. Never mind the rantings of Ahmadinejad. Iran's nuclear programme started long before him, during the Pahlavi regime. The IRI have inherited the Shah's legacy and are putting it to good use. As far as their sabre rattling against Israel is concerned that is not unprecedented. Just think of the US vs USSR before the end of the cold war. They HAD the bomb but did they use it against each other?

PS. Israel's

PS. Israel's representative/envoy

Are you trying to say "Ambassador"? Why not say "Ambassador"? Is it hard for you to type? Because those two words you used don't actually mean anything. Any yahoo can claim to be a "representative" of an "envoy" of some sort or another.

to the US rejected J Street's
invitation to attend the event. That speaks volumes about the
grassroots nature of J Street comparing the number of "luminaries" and
fat cats who attend AIPAC's events. 

I think it says more about its' poplarity in Israel, and with American Jews. But that's just a guess. I've never heard of J Street, before today. I see Q is all over it though! Which speaks volumes lol. Q, the great friend of the Jewish people! All hail Q!

salman farsi

...and that Iran's nuclear ambitions are entirely peaceful.

Might be a better idea to try to convince people like me of that, before talking about the "Jewish lobby". Because, the jews don't have to do a damn thing to conivince me that IRI wants to build nuclear weapons. You, on the other hand, are going to ahve to work really hard to convince me they aren't.

Die, J Street, die!

"BETWEEN THE Weekly Standard, Pajamas Media, Commentary,
StandWithUs, ex-AIPACer Lenny Ben-David and assorted other soldiers in
Israel's information war, there's a campaign on not to disagree with J
Street, not to criticize it, but to destroy it. There's a telephone
crusade led by Weekly Standard Online editor Michael Goldfarb to scare
senators and congressmen away from the convention. The strategy is to
slander J Street, it's having more than a little success, and Goldfarb
is confident the cancellations will snowball."

Read the whole article by Larry Derfner, jpost.com

//www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JP...

Please don't forget to...

blog about it - specially about the Iran-related events. Unfortunately I can't attend. I'm on their mailing list so they may send me some info.

PS. Israel's representative/envoy to the US rejected J Street's invitation to attend the event. That speaks volumes about the grassroots nature of J Street comparing the number of "luminaries" and fat cats who attend AIPAC's events. 

Sounds like the right place to go to

It is vitally important to make the Jewish lobby realize that the Green Movement and Mir Hossein Mousavi stand for peace in the Middle East and that Iran's nuclear ambitions are entirely peaceful.

Thanks for the post.