Hoder is basically right. As he showed in his article, there is a nuclear renaissance happening and Iran is being forcefully excluded from it. America pretends like this is about nuclear proliferation. Because Iran may misuse nuclear secrets, give them to terrorists groups or whatever, the argument goes, it should not be allowed to have nuclear "know-how". Iran couldn't possibly need the energy because it has oil.
This line of reasoning should be rejected on its face for a simple reason: US itself does n't believe it.
If Bush is saying Iran doesn't need nuclear energy, why try to stop the oil pipeline to India and Pakistan? Why block oil pipelines from going through Iran to transport Caspian energy resources cheaper and faster? The answer is that it's not about nuclear knowledge at all, it's simply about control. US just wants Iran to continue to burn oil, and deprive it from the enormous revenues that oil could bring to Iran, if Iran itself were to not use so much of it.
In addition, Iran's dependency on foreign refining, gives a strategic leverage to America in threatening Iran.
But a second, more important proof that America doesn't believe it's own argument was made public only a two weeks ago. An ex-FBI translator turned whistle blower by the name of Sibil Edmonds went public with evidence that suggest US has itself been involved with selling secret nuclear information to Turkey, Israel and Pakistan for years. Even at the same time that it was saying it does not want this information to fall into the "wrong" hands, it was selling them to the highest bidder. It was exposed in the Times of London, but as usual, no one covered it in the US.
This now threatens to be such a big scandel that the Bush administration has - completely out of the blue - moved to sell nuclear technology to Turkey. Why would it do that when there's evidence showing that Bush was supplying Turkey secretly already?
It's to prevent an investigation by doing legally, what it was doing for years, illegally. Also, in the process, if it can win some more favors from Turkey (on Iran and Iraq policy) that would be even better!
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Stalker: I knew you'd be back!
by Q on Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:57 AM PSTYou know, when I predicted you would come back even after you wrote "My last response", I thought it would take you at least a few days. But I see it only took a few hours. Which you apparently spent researching me on the Internet.
If I'm "Grotesque", what does this say about you? Obsess much?
You know, sometimes I amaze, even myself!
Dear Jamshid: It is always a
by Dear Jamshid (not verified) on Mon Jan 28, 2008 08:57 AM PSTDear Jamshid: It is always a good day when an Islamic Savak employee refuses to debate you. You should take that as a badge of honor. Grotesque characters like Qtips are not interested in debates only propagandizing and spreading the same talking points issued by VeVAK ad nauseum....Also, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
— upton sinclair
I had no idea Q was a freelance writer...what a joke.
Well, originality has never been your forte
by Q on Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:34 PM PSTso this is completely understandable. I do see the point you're attempting to make. The part about "the art," however does not make sense at all because you're the one who said this:
but don't tell me you engage in debates only with "artistic debators", since you don't seem to like my "art" of debate. What a grand concept!
In any case, I'm glad you agree. Now that you get it, maybe you can finally spare me your "education" in the future.
Q: You too have a different set of problems
by jamshid on Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:01 PM PSTMy response, in your own words:
As you well know, I too did try to debate you several times. Each time, you refused to accept evidence at face value and selfishly considered your so called established authorities as gods. You also wouldn't admit the most fundemental truths even when you were caught red-handed violating them, instead preferring to bicker and contest the most trivial side issues... to death, as a tool to divert. As if it's a video game where if you make the tiniest concession, you lose!
You also continue to make personal accusations about people's lives and belief system without evidence, as if you cannot seperate personal attacks from the points being debated. Lastly, you frequently misunderstand and misread perfectly unambiguous language.
This is what I mean when I say you don't understand or respect the art of debate. Not your art of debate, the art of debate. It's a figure of speech.
Like I myself said before. We have only one life. It takes an open mind and a common foundation to do any meaningful exchange of views. I'm sure you see this all differently and think it's all my fault. If so, it just shows that we don't have the common foundation therefore it's a waste of time to debate.
I agree whole heartedly.
Jamshid: you have a different set of problems
by Q on Sun Jan 27, 2008 09:19 PM PSTAs you well know, I did try to debate you several times. Each time, you refused to accept evidence at face value and selfishly considered your own personal judgement above that of established authorities. You also wouldn't admit the most fundemental truths even when you were caught red-handed violating them, instead preferring to bicker and contest the most trivial side issues... to death. As if it's a video game where if you make the tiniest concession, you lose!
You also continue to make personal accusations about people's lives and belief system without evidence, as if you cannot seperate personal attacks from the points being debated. Lastly, you frequently misunderstand and misread perfectly unambiguous language.
This is what I mean when I say you don't understand or respect the art of debate. Not your art of debate, the art of debate. It's a figure of speech.
Like you yourself said before. We have only one life. It takes an open mind and a common foundation to do any meaningful exchange of views. I'm sure you see this all differently and think it's all my fault. If so, it just shows that we don't have the common foundation therefore it's a waste of time to debate.
Re: Q
by jamshid on Sun Jan 27, 2008 08:30 PM PSTYou have gone through a great length of postings and counter postings in order to divert attention to avoid a "debate" with me. haan? (debate in quotes, just like you put it in your last post.) This futile attempt only degrades you and your blog.
P.S. Why don't you join my "debates" in other threads? Consider it an offer of "free" education for yourself.
seems you cannot stop stalking me...
by Q on Sun Jan 27, 2008 07:11 PM PSTHm... is this your last response? Let's pary to Allah, you are right. I, however, am sure that you'll attempt to "debate" me again under another chicken name.
Of course you were "sick and tired" before, but you kept coming back. What, I wonder would make you that deranged? Not like it matters, you'll just change your name and continue shamelessly attacking those with real names, yet increadibly claim the higher moral ground.
Doesn't matter, if you ever get the 'jor-at' to show your ugly chicken face around here again, I'll be ready for you. I'll leave you with a thought from your own (stupid) comment:
Your need to categorize people and vulgarly label them
right. And what did you write 2 lines later?
your obnoxious self coupled with an immaturity of a 5 yo. Also , I also need to point out to you Mr.Egalitarian-Hezi-Omniscient , that your despicable machismo is glaring.
You'll never be taken seriously as anything. NOw go on lick your wounds my beloved little terrorist hezee!!!
vulgarity and name calling right? Ey babakht, are blind or completely full of yourself? Anybody reading this thread can see who started this game.
Hypocrisy has no bounds with you people. You are like an obsessive foul (fowl) mouthed stalker, that has nothing better to do than to attack other people's ideas, not with logic but with accusations. Anyone who doesn't believe me, just read the comments below.
Trust me, I'm doing you a favor by pointing it out to you right now. You'll thank me later ;)
seems you cannot rest - you
by My last response (not verified) on Sun Jan 27, 2008 03:28 PM PSTseems you cannot rest - you remind me of a puerile immmature attention seeker. Your need to categorize people and vulgarly label them tells me more about you than about the ideology you supposedly defend . In fact you are the true fascist .From that laugh you have deduced whatever suits you and makes you secure .That speaks to me of your insecurity . You are a hollow , empty head full of cliches that you parrot endlessly . Incapable of any true debate because the world you live in is simply black and white . I blame it on your character flaws , your obnoxious self coupled with an immaturity of a 5 yo. Also , I also need to point out to you Mr.Egalitarian-Hezi-Omniscient , that your despicable machismo is glaring.
You'll never be taken seriously as anything. NOw go on lick your wounds my beloved little terrorist hezee!!!
I'm done with you...What you need is major anger managent coupled with hughe doses of Thorazine...Khoda Shafat bedeh!!!
Admit it: you're an idiot!
by Q on Sun Jan 27, 2008 02:58 PM PSTYou're not sick and tired of anything. NO one is putting a gun to your head (yes, go ahead and embarass yourself with that one) forcing you to read my material.
The only reason you do, is because you're just a scared little fascist who can't stand other people having different opinions and articulating them effectively.
You are looking for any excuse to shut them down and silence them, and if you have to resort to hysterical lunacy -aided by your retarded understanding of lanugage- , you'll do it.
Oh, the irony of addressing game fowl about integrity of one's writing!!!
Stranger than fiction...
Qtips: Admit it; Your "Death
by disgusted (not verified) on Sun Jan 27, 2008 01:47 PM PSTQtips: Admit it; Your "Death Squad" comment was made in very poor judgment... Not very intelligent. Have another go, but this time switch on your brain
Why Am I Obsessed with beloved Qtips? Here is my answer to your quandary:
I'm sick of your tired, old America bashing? Have you nothing else, you are like an ape who repeats one syllable over and over again. Oh, wait a minute, I apologize to the ape, they have more of a repertoire than you -
Chimps Are People Too
Stalker, how can you communicate with anyone
by Q on Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:50 AM PSTwhen you can't even understand English? When you can't even tell a baseball reference or a middle finger reference or "firing squad" sarcasm? Trust me, if I used a real sexual reference you wouldn't get it.
For someone who doesn't want to hear from me, you sure are obsessed with me. Care to explain why?
Dodger= 1. One that dodges
by Disgusted (not verified) on Sun Jan 27, 2008 06:48 AM PSTDodger=
1. One that dodges or evades: a skilled dodger of reporters' questions.
2. A shifty, dishonest person; a trickster.
//www.thefreedictionary.com/dodger
You utterly grossed me out. I didn't expect that from a Hezeee. One thing I despise about Persian men is their ease with which they display their sexually repressed being in public forums...I don't want to hear from you...Yikes
Dear... (what was your name again?)
by Q on Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:47 PM PSTFirst off, my honored poultry, I am not a Dodger. You may call me Giant, Twin or perhaps Blue Jay but definitly not Dodger. Not this year.
Second, I assume my transparency would render queries moot - for seekers with functioning faculties, that is.
This, I understand: you wish to know the nature of my work, and the entity to whom I rent my verbal talents. The answer, though currently a mystery, is not at all unfamiliar to you nor any of my stalkers throughout the ages. I hint you only this: look into your heart, and there you shall find it. If not there, than your wallet. You can email me: qumars at gmail.com
Lastly, know this, my friend. The excercise of my fingers is but for communication, in this case toward the presence before me, my eager audience.
But only some finger excercises involve the keyboard.
Dear Dodger (Q) You rather
by Q stalker (not verified) on Sat Jan 26, 2008 08:49 PM PSTDear Dodger (Q)
You rather evade answering my questions by your silly sarcasm and painfully boring sense of humor.... That is all fine and dandy because you're transparent as one can get. You're the only one who doesn't know it!!!
BTW, Don’t you ever have a point beyond giving your fingers some exercise by dancing them randomly over the keyboard?
Dear Qstalker,
by Q on Sat Jan 26, 2008 05:04 PM PSTI already explained myself and my politics below. But this was only as a courtesy to a fellow truth teller and honerable pillar of the Iranian community such as yourself. I figured someone like yourself deserves to be taken seriously and responded to honestly.
Now if you excuse me.... I think I'll go order some delicious Chicken Barg...
Atom and IRI
by Anonymous 4 (not verified) on Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:50 PM PSTThe IRI is a terrorist and jihadi regime with the most murderous bachground, therefore not qualified to enrich uranuium. For Mr. Q and other IRI's supporters on this site, such articles cannot persuade Iranians to trust an aggressive totalitarian regime armed with atom.
Iranians Sign Up to Be
by More Anonymous (not verified) on Sat Jan 26, 2008 09:45 AM PSTIranians Sign Up to Be "Sacrificed For Holy Qods" At Protest
Iran held massive "Death to America - Death to Israel" protests today.
Oh... And, "Death to the UK," too!//www.farsnews.com/English/newstext.php?nn=8611050335
Mammad: What do you mean by
by Anonymous3 (not verified) on Sat Jan 26, 2008 09:23 AM PSTMammad: What do you mean by normalizing US-Iran relationship? Can you elaborate? And are you being realistic given the history of grievances on both sides?
Q: Why did you delete my
by Q debunked (not verified) on Sat Jan 26, 2008 08:52 AM PSTQ: Why did you delete my comment?
Shah is dead. Monarchists are obsolete phenomenon. How long are you going to use the useless Shah's era as a crutch to conceal your own tyrannical "anti-imperialist"/anti-American impulses and agenda?
You clearly have an agenda. Why don't you tell us about your political perspective?
jamshit is always wrong
by Anonymous111 (not verified) on Sat Jan 26, 2008 08:24 AM PSTjamshit is always wrong
Read your own posts Jamshid
by Mammad (not verified) on Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:27 PM PSTJamshid:
Some of your statements are so absurd that they are astonishing:
You want me to provide a reference that proves that you think that one is either a monarchist or an IRI supporter?
Your own posts! Hello! As soon as anybody criticizes the Shah and monarchy, you attacked him/her back by reminding him/her of the IRI crimes. You have always done that to ME. How the heck should I interpret this otherwise? Read your responses to me. Read your first response in the present discussion!! Reading your responses to other people, I realize that you do that to everybody.
It is pointless to argue with you. We live in separate worlds. I will not bother you ever again.
Re: Q
by jamshid on Fri Jan 25, 2008 09:55 PM PSTI do admit when I am wrong when it is called for. Take a look at the first two paragraphs of your last response. It all applies to you and those very two paragraphs as well.
Quality of life IS the most important thing. I know it must be balanced with moral values as well. But ultimately, we all want happy and peaceful lives, and even moral values are ultimately to that end. And having it does not require us to become a state like perto rico, nor Saudi Arabia, nor Nazi Germany. If you are equaling quality of life with dictatorship and surrender, that is a flaw in your ideology, not mine.
Your last remark "you're only crying quality of life when it's ...." is your opinion, nothing more. You are entitled to your opinion. You could opine that I am actually Bush or Reza pahlavi, etc, that is fine, but it does not make it fact.
Finally, if you don't want to engage in debate, that is fine and you are entitled to that as well, but don't tell me you engage in debates only with "artistic debators", since you don't seem to like my "art" of debate. What a grand concept!
Re: Mammad
by jamshid on Fri Jan 25, 2008 09:42 PM PSTYou have failed to provide the references I requested.
You claim that my "entire response is based on the premise that, one must either be a monarchist or an IRI supporter..." Provide references form my posts. You may use comments in other thread too. Provide references. Again, provide references.
Quote: "you miss the points of the discussion: It is not about, for example, how many Iranian soldiers were killed in Omman, it is about WHY THEY SHOULD BE KILLED IN THE FIRST PLACE..."
The point IS indeed regarding the number of soldiers. A few soldiers vs a million dead DOES make a difference. What part of this you object to?
The revolution was not hijacked from anyone. It was built and progressed on the wrong footing from day one. Otherwise we wouldn't be here. Be a man and take responsiblity for what happened and stop shifting blames to other. Unless you were still in your diapers in those days.
I have admitted my mistakes in participating and contributing to that revolution. I have aplogized for my actions many times to our today's younger generation. I would never use excuses such as "hijack". Why the hell did we do a revolution if we were not competent enough to not allow it being "hijacked"?
Dear Chicken,
by Q on Fri Jan 25, 2008 09:28 PM PSTYou seem like a geniune, dignified person of honor who has nothing to hide, so I'll be honest with you.
You have found me. I am jihad-communist 13 and a half year old on the payroll of IRI and Bin Laden, but ultimately serve my master, the BBC. My mission is to drive Persians crazy and discredit them. The methods are simple which I got out of the IRI library (Jamshid knows about this library, check with him if you want to know more).
It's like this: we know Persians, especially older, bald or gray haired Monarchist Persians are really smart. Whenever they get close to the truth, I have to make their deductions look like a "conspiracy theory" so that no one takes them seriously.
I have been given enormous resources to discredit honest Iran-loving persians and destroy their dream of a Zorastrian Iran with a secular, pro-western democro-Monarchy.
That's what I do, honest.
Q: then you're bacheh
by Q go back to iran (not verified) on Fri Jan 25, 2008 09:15 PM PSTQ: then you're bacheh toudehi? Why don't you go to Cuba or Russia? Are you a communist? Are you an anarchist? Are you an Islamist? Are you jihadist? Are you a reformist? Why do you live in the US?
Leave my father out of this,
by Q on Fri Jan 25, 2008 09:03 PM PSTdo you have a real question or just a smear campaign?
Q: Do you wish for a "world
by Q go back to iran (not verified) on Fri Jan 25, 2008 08:56 PM PSTQ: Do you wish for a "world without America"?
Q: was your father a
by Q go back to iran (not verified) on Fri Jan 25, 2008 08:52 PM PSTQ: was your father a toudehi? ARe you communist? Why do you live in the US if you hate the US m so much? Why don't you go to Iran? Do you plan to take the US government down?
Jamshid: You are so wrong
by Mammad (not verified) on Fri Jan 25, 2008 08:38 PM PSTJamishid:
Yes, I am the same Mammad!
Your entire response is based on the premise that, one must either be a monarchist or an IRI supporter!Just like what the war criminals in the US say: "you are either with us or against us."
No sir: I have been opposed to any kind of monarchy all my life; I proudly supported the Iranian Revolution, and I am absolutely positively against velaayat-e faghih. There are other colours than black and white.
You see, Jamshid, your world is way too small! It is not even one dimensional, because even one dimension, like a straight line, can be infinitely long, hence allowing many other possibilities than "you are either with us or against us."
In your haste to respond you miss the points of the discussion:
It is not about, for example, how many Iranian soldiers were killed in Omman, it is about WHY THEY SHOULD BE KILLED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
It is not about the Shah cozying up to military dictators in Turkey and Pakistan, although that is very revealing, but about monarchists like you whose shouts of freedom-loving is defeaning, JUSTIFYING SUCH THINGS, simply because you have to. Because if you do not, if you start agreeing with established historical facts that the entire world agrees on (except, of course, the monarchists!) one by one, then your fantasy world about the Shah regime being a good one will collapse like a house of cards.
One reference for Iran-South Vietnam: Read memoir of the Shah's mother - no less!
Finally: Please develop one small capability, if you can: Try to separate what happened AFTER the revolution, when it was hijacked by supporters of the velaayat-e faghih, from the Revolution itself.
The two have nothing to do with each other.
get lost Jamshid, I'm done with your tone and attitude
by Q on Fri Jan 25, 2008 08:42 PM PSTStop the "khalak zanak baazi" and worrying about one individual and one country (turkey) and so on. The news you "discovered" and once again are "showing off" as "trophy" a-la-Nasrin style, are nothing new. They have been going on for ever.
Sorry to say that you still don't have the 'orze' to admit you are wrong. You change subjects, change your argument, switch to tangentials and find whatever unrelated BS you can get your hands on to save face. All the while waiting for any opportunity to accuse me of being IRI (a shameless tactic to shortchage debate). I'm surprized you haven't used "Hitler" yet. That's the kind of person you want me to debate?
You pretend like "quality of life" is the most important goal. It has never been so in the history of nation states. If that's what you really think, you are sadly ignorant of Iranians or human beings in general. But chances are you don't know what you are talking about, and actually don't believe your own words.
Perhaps Iran should just invite US to make it a an American protectorate like Puerto Rico, wouldn't that be the best thing for "quality of life"? Perhpas IRI should have let Saddam land in Tehran in 3 days, like he wanted to, turning Iran into a bunch of small republics each dominated by a regional power. What if that was the best path to "quality of life" would that be acceptable to you? Quality of life right now is one of the best in the world for Saudi citizens, does that mean you approve of a Saudi like monarchy?
The truth is, you're only crying "quality of life" when it's a government you don't approve of ideologically. But if it was one you liked, you wouldn't dump it for one with a better quality of life. You coudn't possibly do that and still pretend to care about Iran. That's called hypocrisy. You are right Jamshid, you only live once. And I don't want to spend my life explaining little points left and right with people who have no conception and no respect for the art of debate.
Have fun debating yourself. Just imagine I responded with: "you are false" and therefore countered your whole claim! You know, like you usually do.
Brilliant, isn't it?