On How Pahlavis failed Neo-Iranism revival

Samsam Jaan!!

cheers pal !.

dear souri,I posted the whole ghasideh for samsam!.

best wishes

Samsam...Az Baba Taher

Khosha aashegh shodan amaa jodaee

Khosha eshgh o navaaye be navaaee

...

Now, ebi, don't jump again to break my "moshaereh" here:D)

BTW, Samsam jaan, don't use the term "police" for me please.

We ave 3 confirmed female police here in the site, with their group of
male partisan, they gonna sue you for this oppression to their post :D)

lol..........

Souri jan , Ebi jan !!

Thanks to both of You..yah I didn,t think this was from Hafez..but since  I trust Souri,s poetry background , started doubting myself..that little phrase is my favourite "han ay deleh ebrat bin..eyvaneh Madaen bin"...You two are the poetry police here..I better watch what I write or be caught ::)).. thanks for the short and long version of the poem..this one is one of the rare cases of poetry which I love outside Ferdowsi,s work.I like some of the work of Baba taher orian too..khosha andel keh az gham bahrevar bee     bar ann del vay kaz gham bee khabar bee....cheers friends!!

ebi

Thanks ebi.

Baba in teflak Samsam, yek chizi goft, ma ham be saresh paridim...hala shoma chera tamaame sher o inja chaap kardi ?

Who need it ? Just say it is from Khaghani, I will believe you.

You are the best in this business, harfi ham toush nist.

It was late night and I knew this beit so wellthat I was sure it sould be from Hafiz. Any way, thanks again.

dear souri

the poem is not from Hafez,but is a ghasideh from Khāghāni , & it goes correctly like this:

هان ای دل عبرت بین، از دیده نظر کن هان
ایوان مدائن را، آیینه‌ی عبرت دان

یک ره ز ره دجله، منزل به مدائن کن
وز دیده دوم دجله، بر خاک مدائن ران

خود دجله چنان گرید، صد دجله‌ی خون گویی
کز گرمی خونابش، آتش چکد از مژگان

بینی که لب دجله، کف چون به دهان آرد
گوئی ز تف آهش، لب آبله زد چندان

از آتش حسرت بین، بریان جگر دجله
خود آب شنیدستی، کاتش کندش بریان

بر دجله ‌گری نو نو، وز دیده زکاتش ده
گرچه لب دریا هست، از دجله زکات استان

گر دجله درآموزد، باد لب و سوز دل
نیمی شود افسرده، نیمی شود آتشدان

تا سلسله‌ی ایوان، بگسست مدائن را
در سلسله شد دجله، چون سلسله شد پیچان

گه‌گه به زبان اشک، آواز ده ایوان را
تا بو که به گوش دل، پاسخ شنوی ز ایوان

دندانه‌ی هر قصری، پندی دهدت نو نو
پند سر دندانه، بشنو ز بُن دندان

گوید که تو از خاکی، ما خاک توایم اکنون
گامی دو سه بر مانه، و اشکی دو سه هم بفشان

از نوحه‌ی جغد الحق، مائیم به درد سر
از دیده گلابی کن، درد سر ما بنشان

آری چه عجب داری، کاندر چمن گیتی
جغد است پی بلبل، نوحه است پی الحان

ما بارگه دادیم، این رفت ستم بر ما
بر قصر ستم‌کاران، تا خود چه رسد خذلان

گوئی که نگون کرده است، ایوان فلک‌وش را
حکم فلک گردان، یا حکم فلک گردان

بر دیده‌ی من خندی، کاینجا ز چه می‌گرید
گریند بر آن دیده، کاینجا نشود گریان

نی زال مدائن کم، از پیرزن کوفه
نه حجره‌ی تنگ این، کمتر ز تنور آن

دانی چه مدائن را، با کوفه برابر نه
از سینه تنوری کن، وز دیده طلب طوفان

این است همان ایوان، کز نقش رخ مردم

خاک در او بودی، دیوار نگارستان

این است همان درگه، کورا ز شهان بودی
دیلم ملک بابل، هندو شه ترکستان

این است همان سفره، کز هیبت او بردی
بر شیر فلک حمله، شیر تن شادِروان

پندار همان عهد است، از دیده‌ی فکرت بین
در سلسله‌ی درگه، در کوکبه‌ی میدان

از اسب پیاده شو، بر نطع زمین رخ نه
زیر پی پیلش بین، شه مات شده نعمان

نی نی که چو نعمان بین، پیل افکن شاهان را
پیلان شب و روزش، گشته به پی دوران

ای بس پشه پیل افکن، کافکند به شه پیلی
شطرنجی تقدیرش، در ماتگه حرمان

مست است زمین زیرا، خورده است بجای می
در کاس سر هرمز، خون دل نوشروان

بس پند که بود آنگه، بر تاج سرش پیدا
صد پند نوست اکنون، در مغز سرش پنهان

کسری و ترنجِ زر، پرویز و به زرین
بر باد شده یکسر، با خاک شده یکسان

پرویز به هر بزمی، زرین تره گستردی
کردی ز بساط زر، زرین تره را بستان

پرویز کنون گم شد، زان گمشده کمتر گو
زرین تره کو برخوان؟ روکم ترکوا برخوان

گفتی که کجار رفتند، آن تاجوران اینک
ز ایشان شکم خاک است، آبستن جاویدان

بس دیر همی زاید، آبستن خاک آری
دشوار بود زادن، نطفه سِتدن آسان

خون دل شیرین است، آن می که دهد رَز بُن
ز آب و گل پرویز است، آن خم که نهد دهقان

چندین تن جباران، کاین خاک فرو خورده است
این گرسنه چشم آخر، هم سیر نشد ز ایشان

از خون دل طفلان، سرخاب رخ آمیزد
این زال سپید ابرو، وین مام سیه پستان
از خون دل طفلان، سُرخاب رُخ آمیزد
این زال سپید ابرو، وین مام سیه پستان

خاقانی ازین درگه، دریوزه‌ی عبرت کن
تا از در تو زین پس، دریوزه کند خاقان

امروز گر از سلطان، رندی طلبد توشه
فردا ز در رندی، توشه طلبد سلطان

گر زادِ رَه مکه، تحفه است به هر شهری
تو زادِ مدائن بر، تحفه ز پی ِشروان

این بحر بصیرت بین، بی‌شربت ازو مگذر
کز شط چنین بحری، لب تشنه شدن نتوان

اِخوان که ز راه، آیند آرند ره‌ آوردی
این قطعه ره‌ آورد است، از بهر دل اِخوان

Samsam jaan

I pick you here !! Reciting from Hafiz ? How come ?

Nevertheless, I'm happy to remind you the correct beit of hafiz (even you if you don't want to remember, I know :o))

Haan ey del e ebrat bin

Az dideh ebar kon haan

Eyvaane Madaayen raa

A yneye ebrat bin !!

Hafiz, is still not as bad as you think my dear friend...

lol....

thx for the links

 Jamshid..Yes there is still hope in zombee production line of V-ran...

&Ali P..Now I remember reading this somewhere and time failed me so helucination started...reminds me of han ay bandeh ebrat bin   Divareh madaen bin ..once again We all stood still and watched another qadesiyeh ..it,s sad..

MRX1 buddy..happy to know my views are shared with great minds such as your calibre...cheers pal!!

redblooded muslim; I,m with you soldier...cheers!!

Choghok: I agree & more of a point I was trying to make..thx for the quotes..cheers!

Re: Samsam

Samsam, thank you for the clarification. To be honest, I agree with the points in your last comment, but I believe with conviction that in order to acheive what you wrote, the Shah, you, I or anyone else in control must have been willing to either rule with such iron hand that would put even the Shah to shame, or...

Or, the country had to be divided and all the fanatic omatis forcefully expelled to the desert areas en mass.

Now, I recommend you to enjoy (or knowing your pre-Islamic sentiments, get high on) this:
//www.7sang.com/mag/2008/08/01/tourism-parsbanoo.php

It was sent to me by a girl who lives in Iran. Young kids like her are not alone. Further proof that Arabo-Islamization of the mollahs has failed.

Ali. p

Thanks for the link about Kasravi.

you said it

I think if the Brits didn't remove the great Reza Shah and his reforms would have continued by his son we would have been a better shape by now....
Unfortunatley to remove omatism, khorafat, and kosy share from Iranian psychee it will take a long long time! you can not undo 1400 years of mental occupation with twenty years of reform which is why we ended up with V-ran as you brilinatly observed.

It is no longer appropriate

It is no longer appropriate to call the country, "Iran". I propose a name change to either Islamistan or Shiastan. I futher propose Arabic as the official language of the country...

كشته شدن كسروي

نوشته هاي كسروي بويژه در زمينه مسائل ديني ، خشم مذهبيون را به شدت برمي انگيخت . آيات عظام و مراجه تقليد در نجف و قم با خشم بسيار كسروي را زير تيغ حمله خود گرفته و نهايتا با صدور فتوي ، فرمان قتل وي را صادر مي كنند . نواب صفوي كه طلبه اي است در نجف و از مراجع تقليد تائيديه لازم را براي كشتن كسروي گرفته است ، راهي تهران مي شود تا به وظيفه شرعي خود عمل كند . در تهران شيخ محمد حسن طالقاني ، امام جمعه مسجد ظهيرالاسلام پول لازم را در اختيار وي قرار ميدهد .

براي اولين بار درهشتم ارديبهشت 1324 ، نواب صفوي به همراه فردي به نام محمد خورشيدي ، در چهار راه حشمت الدوله به جان كسروي سوءقصد ميكنند . در اين حمله موفق به كشتن كسروي نمي شوند . كسروي كه مجروح شده است به بيمارستان ميرود و نواب صفوي دستگير مي شود . چند روز بعد نواب با ضمانت بازرگاني به نام اسكوئي از زندان آزاد مي شود . پس از آزادي از زندان با صدور اعلاميه اي تشكيل جمعيت فدائيان اسلام را اعلام مي كند .

همزمان فشار به دولت وقت براي جلوگيري از انتشار كتاب هاي كسروي افزايش مي يابد . حجت الاسلام حاج سراج انصاري ، فقيهي شيرازي و سيد نورالدين شيرازي به دادگستري تهران بر عليه كسروي شكايت مي كنند . در اين سال ها دربار به دنبال حفظ رابطه حسنه با مراجع مذهبي است . با پشتيباني دربار شكايت پيگيري مي شود و كسروي براي روز بيستم اسفند 1324 به دادسراي تهران احضار ميشود . فدائيان اسلام از روز دادگاه وي با خبر شده و تصميم مي گيرند تا در اين روز براي بار دوم به جان وي سوءقصد كنند . 8 نفر براي اين عمليات انتخاب مي شوند

. در ساعت نه صبح ، زماني كه تنها چند دقيقه از ورود كسروي به اتاق بازرس نگذشته بود ،مظفري و برادران امامي وارد اتاق شده و به سمت كسروي و همراه وي حدادپور تيراندازي مي كنند . و پس از آن كه از كشته شدن كسروي اطمينان يافتند ، الله اكبر گويان از اتاق بازرس خارج شده و بهمراه ساير اعضاء گروه از كاخ دادگستري مي گريزند .

پس از قتل كسروي برادران امامي دستگير مي شوند . ولي چندي بعد با فشار روحانيون و حمايت دربار ،‌قاتلان كسروي از زندان آزاد مي شوند . جنازه كسروي و حدادپور براي دور ماندن از دسترس مرتجعين مذهبي ، توسط ياران و دوستانشان در كوه هاي شمال تهران دفن مي شوند .

خبر كشته شدن كسروي در ميان مذهبيون چنان با استقبال روبرو شد كه ايت الله خوانساري كه مريض بود و جلسه بحث خود را تعطيل كرده بود ، به وجد آمد و بيماري خود را فراموش كرد . آدمكشان « فدائيان اسلام »‌ قهرمانان اسلام شدند .

كشتن كسروي ، تنها كشتن يك انديشمند مخالف نبود . كشتن كسروي ، كشتن سمبل آزاديخواهي ، ترقي طلبي ، دگرانديشي و نوانديشي بو د

from: www.Kasravi.info 

Dream on Samsam

Do you ever come out of the bubble you live in to see the real world? You sound like a Hitler, Stalin or Khomeiny. Guess who wrote the section below in his book?

"کمی بعد از ... دچار بيماری حصبه شدم و چند هفته با مرگ دست
و گريبان بودم [جمله عينا مطابق کتاب آمده است]... در طی اين بيماری سخت،
پا بدايره عوالم روحانی خاصی گذاشتم که تا امروز آنرا افشاء نکرده ام. در
يکی از شبهای بحرانی کسالتم مولای متقيان علی عليه السلام را بخواب ديدم
در حاليکه شمشير معروف خود ذوالفقار را در دامن داشت و در کنار من نشسته و
در دست مبارکش جامی بود. بمن امر فرمود که مايعی را که در جام بود بنوشم.
من نيز اطاعت کردم و فردای آنروز تبم قطع شد و حالم بسرعت رو ببهبود
رفت..." (همان، صفحه ۸۷)

و واقعه دوم از اين قرار بود:
"در دوران کودکی تقريبا هر تابستان همراه خانواده خود بامامزاده داود...
ميرفتيم... در يکی از اين سفرها که من جلو زين اسب يکی از خويشاوندان خود
که سمت افسری داشت نشسته بودم ناگهان پای اسب لغزيده و هر دو از اسب بزير
افتاديم. من که سبکتر بودم با سر بشدت روی سنگ سخت و ناهمواری پرت شدم و
از حال رفتم... همراهان من از اينکه هيچگونه صدمه ای نديده بودم فوق
العاده تعجب ميکردند. ناچار برای آنها فاش کردم که در حين فرو افتادن از
اسب حضرت ابوالفضل عليه السلام فرزند برومند علی عليه السلام ظاهر شده و
مرا در هنگام سقوط گرفت و از مصدوم شدن مصون داشت..." (همان، صفحات ۸۷ و
۸۸).

For the answer look at

//news.gooya.com/society/archives/076230.php

almost all the way down. Beside Kasravi was also a fully devoted muslim. He was just antimullah.

/Bidar bash ke ma bekhabim

Indecisive!!

Dear Ali:

These were simply random cogitations in no order..I agree with You about his 2nd guessing & baggage He carried of his late father...How ever as a young king He & later on He had many opportunities to stand up to forces of Darkness "Erteje" as He called it and fundamentaly change the scenery in Iranian culture..About the Alphabet..the opposition came mainly from the fundamentalists and old guard of status que Ommatist & associates not wanting to lose their age old grip on Iranian literature of post-Sassanid..that,s the way they make their money..the wordings in jashns paragraph came up wrong in rush..I was planning to mimmick the oppostion & make a point about superficility & substance and missed my point..couldn,t edit later..my poozesh you are right..in short Shah should have left Iranians with a done deal on culture. the so called white revolution could have been used as a great building block to extend more into into cultural linguistic aspects of our society with fierce persistance..But He kinda ran out of steam half way...migan marg yeh bar shivan yeh bar..btw I was under the impression that Kasravi spent 2 nights in jail after initial complaint waiting for trial and complained to Ghazaieeh head about appeasement to mullahs...thx for the input..cheers!

Amirkabear..I agree that foreign influence in the early yrs of his reign was evident but as Shah matured He became more .independent & less impressionable to a degree..cheers!

 Maryam Jan;

Dreams are there to have ....shad bashi

Parthian jan

His are excerpts from premenstural socialist period..& post communist menopausal depression..but I like Sadegh He is a good man with warped view of the world according to all rightious child sitters of the left!!

To: Samsam the Maverick

Respectfully:

1) The Shah was a constitutional monarch by all accounts for the first 10 years of his reign. He saw how people celebrated his father's departure, after everything Reza Shah did for that country. He did not want to rule with an iron fist, as his father did.

2) There was a movement, during Reza Shah's period, to change the alphabet. It failed. The price was thought to be too high, and the benefit small. Frankly, I don't see much benefit in it either.

3) Change comes with education, and it takes time. If you force the change, to speed it up, it goes away when the force is removed. Much of Reza Shah's reforms vanished after he left. Don't ban the Mullah's tozeeh-ol-mas'aa'el or sermon; fight it with education.

4) We all have our own dreams about Iran. Unless there are at least some elements of popular support in them, they just stay what they are: Dreams.

5) Isn't "Jashnhayeh 2500 saleh", exactly what you would have proposed? Emphasis on our "pre-Qadesiyeh" history, as you put it? I mean, the execution may have been somewhat extravagant, but wasn't it meant to let the world know we are Persians, and not Arabs, and that we are a gloreous nation with a gloreous past?

    We both were too young to matter back then, but it seems to me you would have embraced the idea closer than most of us would have. The ceremony went great. Seventy heads of States in one place, forced to watch our glory. It was the pricetag that drew much of the criticism.

 In retrospect, we know there were those who just critisized everything the system did, because the country was not following their vision.

6) Kasravi never went to jail. Formal complaints had been filed against him, and he had been defending himself successfully, but was killed by the Islamic mob of Fadaeeyaneh Eslam, and noone was punished for that heinous crime.

  Interesting enough, after the Big Dictator(Reza Shah) is gone, and his son is just a constitutional monarch, one of these thugs shoots and kills the Prime Minister, Razm'aaraa. The killer is arrested, but when Dr Mossadegh becomes Prime Minister, a piece of legislation is passed by the Parliament, officially pardoning, and releasing the murderer! Democracy, Iranian style! 

"Baa keh meebaayad goft iin haaleh ajeeb...?!" 

Raftam baalaayeh manbar baaz...bebakhsheed :-)

Yours,

Ali P.

Clarification

You wrote;

Both Reza & Mohammad Reza Shahs of Pahlavi were indeed Patriots in essence & character yet lacked the grand vision & logistics required to carry out the task of reviving,revamping, awakening & solidifying the true Iranic heritage & identity of Pre Qadesiyeh in contemprary V-ran of 20th century.

From the two, Mohammad Reza Shah was bestowed time and time again with great opportunities which comes once every millenium for this country to break free & release itself from the centuries old yoke of Qadesiyeh. But He gave in & gave up too fast & too early at every turn to the cultural agents of alien Pan-Ommatist. He failed great patriots such as Kasravi & their vision . He also failed miserably to drasticaly resurrect & provide the logistics needed to build a lasting nest & infrastructure for the still infant Neo-Iranist vision. 

Do you want to know why? Maybe because pahlavis were not true Iranians ! They only looked like us. Some of them did not even talked like us. Can you prove the originality of reza shah?

4-Force-move most Mullahs to immigrate to Qom & Mashhad

Personally not keen with mullahs but in a country where there was claims to be democracy and foreigners visited like it was their country, why should mullahs be forced to immigrate? 

5-Stop teaching Arabic language as 2nd language of middle & high schools. Since it is the medium for Ommatists to promote their anti-Iran propaganda.

Eventhough disliked it I had to learn arabic at middle school and that was in Tehran.

6-Making reading an hour of Shahnameh & patriotic essays in every class mandatory all the way to last year of Universities & Colleges.

How many did they have this? Mandatory is not with free choice so where was pahlavis democracy.

7-Discouraging the promotion of majority Post Qadesiyeh Poetry, Kharabati literature which glorified the Pan-Ommatist culture & bemeaned, belittled & dehumanized the true Iranic identity prior to subjugation.

Again this section does not sound very democratic in particular you used the word "subjugate". It is more like semi-dictatorship.

8-Mobilize the whole Media machine, Tv, Radio,...to prioratize the programs & essays involving the promotion of true Iranic spirit of adventurism & challenge. Discourage & Expose the kharabati leftist & Ommatist artists who were bent on brainwashing the youth into zombee Jehadists with no cause.

Did he truly did all this by himself? and international politics had no hand?

& there are tons more

Please tell us some more. If he was so efficient why did he let go of everything so easily. 

Don,t get me wrong, He was a great Patriotic Iranian yet In .....

Excuss me does a great patriotic person runs away let his enemies deal with his supporters. But then some claim adolf hitler was a patriot too. Showing off patriotism is really different with what is in the heart.

In short servants changed over but the master is still the same. It was time to change, thats all. Shah himself caused that because maybe he was tired of listen.

Samsam Jan

Thanks for your ideas!

I agree with you that Shah neglected the cultural revival and promoted the Ommatist.  

I have your dreams about future IRAN.

PAYANDEH IRAN

Sadegh..

I don't see any similarities to Mein Kemp. Your love of Arab, and foreign culture makes you label things rather than looking at it with objectivity. There is nothing in Samsam's writings about superiority of race, ethnicity. But he is absolutely right to point out that Iran will not be Iran unless it can revive its own true identity. Iran can not be an Iranian nation, and an islamic nation at the same time. It has been unable to cope with those two conflicting identities for the past 1400 years. Iran or V-ran is an extremely confused, and contradictory nation today.

One more thing for you cultural relativists. While, it is irrational to talk about racial superiority, there is nothing wrong to compare cultures. Italian culture, German Culture, American Culture, and yes Iranian culture is by far more superior to the Islamic culture that has evolved from the Arab culture of the 1400 years ago. We can measure this in science, music, art, ethics, law, but most importantly in the way the those cultures treat human beings. Far far superior...no doubt about it.

Jamshid jan!

Offcourse I inherit my views from that era as a teen age protege of that culture  but there may not be many of us who share my views & that,s why I see where We went wrong....The late Shah had his heart in the right place yet didn,t fully manage to build the proper foundation to solidify the stance against Ommatist onslaught..When I talk about substance I am talking strictly about his cultural patriotic reforms..between 1945-1951 the country as going though a one in a milenium renaisance...V-ran was ripe for a change..the country,s patriotic elites such as Kasravi were coming with explosive visions to resurrect the country onto it,s old value & identity...yet the young shah chose to talk about how Imam Reza saved him as a kid..or haleh noor when his plane crashed..or raise the Mullahs howzeh budget 3 folds to appease to them..or stay mumb when Shahrbani put Kasravi in jail on demand from mullahs on charge of blasphemy..Reza Shah had already done the hard job having the country culturaly ready to look for it,s lost heritage through steadfast policies cut short by WW2..Late Shah could simply hasten it & extend it  through steps I noted in my blog , specialy after 1952 Mullah Kashani & Ghomi fiasco and He must have learned his final lesson in 1963 with khomeini to cleanse Iran once and for all from virus of Ommatism. the sad thing is that He knew of these solutions yet kept passive until it was too late and the hordes of ignorance were on the streets...His cultural reform was not universal but more to do with urbam centres such as Tehran..He left the vast villages & country side to the Malakhs of Ommatism & mullahs to spread their ommatist propaganda unchecked..and as you know these hordes were the ones roaming in cities chanting vay agar khomeini hokmeh jahadam dahad ..He left the ommatist bases open for bussiness...Jamshid! Shah had 35 years to build and solidify our true Iranic psyche...that,s 2 generations..ataturk did it in less than 10 years post-islamic khallifate of ottoman...How much more time He needed?..He definitly did a amazing job compare to our other leaders in post-qadesiyeh Iran yet I still believe He failed to put in place a lasting cultural substance that would prevent a nation to commit treason such as siding with mullahs in the revolution...So Yes He was a man of great patriotic vision but lacked the art of an executive to put in place the logistics and foundation to build that dream on for generations to come...Yes I may have acted the same way if I was in his shoes but so what...I would have been judged the same way too...God bless his soul & I cherish his patriotic legacy but  Iran had one chance in history with a ptriotic king like him on the throne and time ripe for change to go full force...it just  went poooof...

Pope jan:

I watched those Jashns  as a kid & felt so proud glued to tv..I watched also every single year on 21th of Azar missing school, the parade of artesh on Tv .. I was an a$$ trying to mimmik lefties projection on 2500 years jashns giving you the impression that it,s my opinion..Was just trying to point out how his patriotic education was not grass rooted in a way that tons of people thought of those occasion with laughter...surly You know I,m not one of them..cheers!!

Dear Safa ali ;

What can I do..I,m a dreamer yet know this my friend....dreams shall come true...time is the essence!!!cheers! pal

Samsam111111

When you expect to grow up? Farsi as it has been developed after the arab invasion is the spoken language of Ferdossi, Khayyam, Hafez, Nasser-khossro, Molavi,... And all these shirmardan Iran wrote their work using arabic alphabets.

When you change Farsi, you count to translate shahnameh (with the Aramic pahlavi you don't dispose of all the sound likes developed since the invasion) ?

Ferdossi inja bood behet mikhandid. Rasti in rish-mishat begui nagui as baghal por-posht tar as risheh Mahmood vo oon sibilet messleh sibileh Hitler ha?

Samsam jaan, He did...

He did a lot. He did the best things possible. He even did toooo much, toooo fast. But whatever He did was a "cartoon-comedy (like farce such as Jashnhayeh 2500 saleh)" in the eyes of _-ranians!

ps: "patriots such as Bakhtiar"!!! Are you serious?

Re: Samsam

Although I agree with most of your writing, I have to disagree with you in here. Do you really think it was "shahre hert" back then when the Pahlavis were ruling?

You talk as though Nader Shah was in charge or as though Iran was already a strong country. Iran in those days was (and still is) filled with omatieh (as you call them). The Pahlavis didn't have the power to do all of the things you mentioned.

YOU wouldn't have the power if you were in charge either. You would be dethroned in less than a week. Now in 1978, it's a different story. I agree with you then. The Shah should have destroyed these people rather than leaving.

You wrote, "However the Pahlavis ... ended up to be, without true substance"

Really? What are you then? A man with views that have no substance? Where from do you think your anti-omat views came from? From the Ghajars? Or from the mollahs? Perhaps from the Iranian left and communists? Or was it from Mosadegh (who was in charge only for 2 years)?

Or was it from Reza Shah, followed by his son? You seem to be so out of touch with Iran's recent history and not having any clues as to what Iran was in 1921 just before Reza took over, just another backwarded semi-Arab country.

Either that or you are namak nashnaas, a trait fully supported by the mollahs. Sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but the truth does not have to always be pretty.

The second Pahalvi failed Iran miserabley by just getting out of town in 1979 instead of standing up against the garbage that is in charge today, but when you criticize the Pahlavis, also give them credit when it is due. Don't sound like anohter mollah or like another Ghajari prince.

Samsam

Samsam, no disrespect but, do u know how hard it would have been to do all of that??

Change the alphabet from arabic to persian!!!???? Holy shit, ur like the persian version of the Great Gatsby. U dream big. People were already pissed off with the fact that he wasnt wearing a turban and he wasnt islamic enough, and u would have him do all of that stuff u just listed. The only way to change a peoples culture, is to do it by brute force, and he wasn't a brutal guy.

Dictatorship, Democracy to me are just some words

in dictionary.

Dear Mehran;

Do You remember the movie Dirty Harry? & what the gangster told Detective Harry.." Who is WE suk**r? You and whose Army?""..Mehran jan..You and whose Army are going to topple IRI? the only army I see is 5000 miles away in the persons of millions of youth who are being culturaly brainwashed daily & seek their identity in husseinieh, Basij, chafieh & Ommatists..So enlighten me as how are You going to enlist these brainwashed by-products of Ommah into Your Army but cultural patriotic movement on grass root..starting with youth You know back home..btw who said I want to topple IRI !!  I haven,t had my vacation yet..may be after I come back :) cheers!

Reza jan:

I no longer look at a regime to see if it fits absolute defenition of democracy or not. I look at it in the shape in which it brings the essence of self worth, self confidence,self knowledge & justice to our masses. Prosperity & Freedom can only be built on a solid social cultural foundation. We Iranians 1st have to decide about the concept of Iran either through democracy(which I doubt it) or through cultural shock & awe to to rid ourselves from culture of serfdom and embrace our own Identity. regards!

Errr...is this an excerpt

Errr...is this an excerpt from Mein Kampf, the Iranian version???

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

Monday morning quarterbacking?

Won't your plans require another dictatorship to enforce them, sam jaan?

Dear Samsam

Don't you think this is a bit extreme? I mean let's do the easy stuff first like changing IRI and then worry about the rest....