Not well known Indoeuropean tribes of ancient Iran

I know!

Tell me about it ! I get such stuff all the time, but it comes from a small gang here. I know most of their pen names by now. In general many here have shown solidarity with Jews, like yourself, and that is very nice to witness. As I said elsewhere, that is something impossible if this were an Arab site for instance. That`s why I have a deep respect for the Persian (Iranian) identity and culture. The challenge you talk about is the pangs of rebirth. I am quite optimistic.
Thanks for all the interesting information and links.

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Khazars sound like a very mysterious nation..interesting..It seems you know much more about it probably because you are jewish and are more involved and knwledgable in this field...funny how many morons are on this site..man most iranains are detached from their past...some idiot just wrote a comment that because i call the regime khalifs i must be a jew..lol..brainwashed regime agent...makes you wonder if you should give a shit ? you being jewish probably get a lot of shit from this mdrfkr anti jew hezbollahis ....what a nation we have become because of these arab mullahs....regards

Re: Zion

Well, there might have been some members of any group in any other group, but that does not tie Khazars to Scythians. About Khazars being involved with Jews in Babylon in Cyrus time, it is out of question. Are you joking?
The conversion of Khazars was a political one, since their small kingdom was encompassed by Muslim and Chrsitian powers and it was mostly among the elite. There is a famous text by a later Rabbi Yehuda HaLevi who talk about how the Khazar king invited representative of all three religions to decide which one to adopt and finally went with the Jewish one. Although it is a rabbincal piece of work and not a historical one, it shows clearly that the khazar issue has no roots in Judaism.

Re: Zion

Well, there might have been some members of any group in any other group, but that does not tie Khazars to Scythians. About Khazars being involved with Jews in Babylon in Cyrus time, it is out of question. Are you joking?
The conversion of Khazars was a political one, since their small kingdom was encompassed by Muslim and Chrsitian powers and it was mostly among the elite. There is a famous text by a later Rabbi Yehuda HaLevi who talk about how the Khazar king invited representative of all three religions to decide which one to adopt and finally went with the Jewish one. Although it is a rabbincal piece of work and not a historical one, it shows clearly that the khazar issue has no roots in Judaism.

Zion

Yes , you are correct.Khazars were Turkic tribes but keep in mind the times between 400BC--500AD was the great movements time...the time that indoeuropean extended all the way to China"Toucharians" whose frozen mummis are found in northern china like the famous middleaged white women with red hair a scythian toucharian who was unearther only 15 years ago and belonged to that time.even scythians  later on after 200AD had Turkic elements and tribes in them.so it,s not strange to see Khazars a trurkic tribe being in assiciation with other tribes..I wonder if Khazars were part of the jews populace that Cyrus freed and later migrated to north..uhmmm...not likely .i don,t know...you think these items are allowed to be taught in regimeh eshghalgar arabi in Iran today?...absolutly not

Khazars

Thanks for the info samsam. Just want to clarify a confusion here, Khazars were a turkic tribe whose kings and elite once converted to Judaism. It didn`t last that much though and they were conquered by Muslims and most were re-converted back to Islam or Christianity. The myth that Ashkenazi Jews are actually from the Khazars is propagated by antisemites and anti-israel folk who desperately want to deny any linkage between Jews and the land of Israel.

The main reason why Jews in middle and eastern Europe are known as Ashkenazi is most probably because they eventually found their way into Europe through Caucasus, which was under dominance of the Scythian tribes, or at least was historically known to be their dominion. In the middle ages, when knowledge of past was confused, the rabbis attributed the name Ashkenaz with the place where Ashkenazi Jews had settled by that time, namely German lands. It is an instance of folk etymology. The same is true for Sepharad. It is a name for Spain, but both Sepharad and Ashkenaz are Biblical terms and needless to say, there was no Germany or Spain back then!

What I find ironic now is that Ashkenazi Jews must have originated and traveled from Iranian lands to Europe. Makes it funny to hear modern brain washed Iranians point to them as alien white colonialists in their meaningless and crazy opposition to the state of Israel and Zionism!

In addition

some sites you can check to get some info

Herodotus book of histoires

""The Persian nation contains a number of tribes, and the ones which Kourosh Cyrus assembled and persuaded to revolt were the Pasargadae, Maraphii, and Maspii, upon which all the other tribes are dependent. Of these, the Pasargadae are the most distinguished; they contain the clan of the Achaemenids from which spring the Perseid kings. Other tribes are the Panthialaei, Derusiaei, Germanii, all of which are attached to the soil, the remainder -the Dahae(aka Saka), Mardi, Dropici, Sagarti, being nomadic.

Iran chamber studies, part of  university of cambridge

//www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/scythians_sacae.php

Indo european chronology ..look under Iranian Nomads

//indoeuro.bizland.com/project/chron/chronn.html#8

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

//www.heroicage.org/issues/2/ha2tf.htm

//community.imaginefx.com/fxpose/johnny_shumates_portfolio/images/10234/425x371.aspx

Friends

I just typed a ton of info and lost it all..dumbdumb computer..short form..yes Cyrus was killed by lessegaete queen a scythian tribe,,,it doesn,t mean scythians were not of Iranian stock they roamed freely across the stepps and never followed their persian medes kinzmen in their migration deep south to Iran & simply stayed on the outside or their habitual motherland Volga.stepps..east Ukrain..Herodotus talkes in detail about their daily lives and interconnections with persians in his histoirs .they at times ventured in for raids...sakestan = sistan =Xerxes held the captured scythian thugs in harsh weathered sistan hence the name...ashkenazis were of the race of khazars who were great jewish worriors in eastern caspean hence the name khazar sea..I don,t rule out that some scythians came to contact with khazars and turned into ashkenazis..i don,t know about that...my sources mostly in written books by will durant ..simon shuster 1956.1935 edition and the historians that I mentioned earlier on..but just like me you can simply search wikipedia and get some short version of scythian culture and their connection to Iranian culture..although some russian sites have great resources of scythian,s Iranian heritage..heroi check to see if i can get some for you..wonder what IRI teach doctorates of historyin tehran..poor you Ebi..they probably used some anti jewish propaganda and  called Cyrus a Jew boy out to kill Iranians...just kidding though..i,m curious to know how they go about teaching in detail Iran,s past...I,m just an avid amateur reader thats all.. throw in some info when you come across one..thanks &best Regards

Saka Ha

By their location, west of Oxus, they are considered iranian. Some researchers believe that they migrated south to sistan and baluchestan under pressure from turkic tribes from east after arab invasion.

Dear friend Thanks for

Dear friend

Thanks for you post,would you please name your source.Since it is more than 15 years past my post-graduate studies in Tehran University (Old Persian culture & languages),it seems to me that both previous comments have a point,and we all know  Cyrus the great was killed after being wounded,fighting the Scythians.But still I'm not sure that they were considered an Iranian or Aryan tribe,or neither of them!?

best wishes

Interesting

Did you know that the term "Ashkenaz" actually was used to depict Scythia? It used to be "Ashkevaz", and changed to "Ashkenaz" only as a typographical error:
//www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=ashkena...

I didn`t know they were specifically among 'the tribes of Iran`. Are you sure of this? They used to engage in wars against the Achamaenid Persian as far as I know.

Scythians

I remember while taking a class on the history of Eastern Rome ("Byzantium") the Scythians were regarded as the lowest of the low haha