The late Soraya Esfandiari Bakhtiari(former empress of Iran)
Bakhtiaris Lor(Bozorg & Kouchak);
he Bakhtiari (or Bakhtiyari, Bakhtyari) are a group of southwestern Iranians in Fars,Lurestan and khuzestan with their most significant Clan being Naveed Bakh on Zagross mountains.This clan was partly responsible for putting down the Arab Secessionist movement of Shaikh Khazaal in Khuzistan during the Reza Shah rule.
A small percentage of Bakhtiari are still nomadic pastoralists, migrating between summer quarters (yaylāq, ييلاق) and winter quarters (qishlāq, قشلاق). Bakhtiaris speak Luri, Indo-European closely related to the Luri people and also related to Persian & Kurdish people. Numerical estimates of their total population widely vary between 1.5 million to 2 million.
Bakhtiaris trace a common lineage, being divided into Chahar Lang (Four "limbs") and Haft Lang (Seven "Limbs") groups. In Iranian mythology, the Bakhtiari consider themselves to be descendants of Fereydun, a legendary hero from the Persian national epic, Shahnameh.
The Bakhtiari captured Teheran under the Haft Lang Shah Sardar Assad and played a significant role in constitutional reform and the abdication of Shah Mohammed Ali (r. 1907-1909) in 1909, after which he was exiled to Russia. Riza Shah Pahlevi (r. 1925-1941) attempted to destroy the Bakhtiari and they have never fully recovered since that time. They are noted in Iran for their remarkable music which inspired Borodin.
Bakhtiari women have more status and freedom than most Iranian women and many of the daughters of the wealthier families are encouraged to receive at least basic education. Many significant Iranian politicians, governors of provinces and other dignitaries are of Bakhtiari origin.
Thank God for Bakhtiaris to keep the lil flame going for good old Iran.If it wasn,t for us Bakhtiari Lurs and the Kurds They be speaking Arabic in Tehran now .
Some famous Bakhtiaris
//www.bakhtiarifamily.com/photos2.php
//www.bakhtiarifamily.com/photos1.php
//www.bakhtiarifamily.com/photos3.php
//www.bakhtiarifamily.com/photos4.php
Dr A .M Samsam Bakhtiari (World renowned)
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Samsam_Bakhtiari
Female Bakhtiari governor of Rhay with full bakhtiari Gear;
//www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/Pic53-BanuRayy.jpg
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Critic the Royalist
by ShapourBakhtiar on Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:35 AM PDTMr. Critic, you're obviously a devoted or should i say a fanatic royalist. Bakhtiaris wanted to steal the oil? Reza shah is the hero? Reza shah murdered several prominent Bakhtiaris after he no longer saw them as useful. Mossadegh himself had a Bakhtiari father, you wanna repeat that Bakhtiaris wanted to steal the oil now?
Lying wont make your case true, specially now that Internet has every information you want. For anyone interested in the Bakhtiaris history i recommend Iranica, you can access it here: //www.iranica.com/articles/baktiari-tribe
Laughing is the best medicine!!
by ebi amirhosseini on Tue Jul 29, 2008 05:53 PM PDTMifahmam! Mifahmam!
by Rosie T. on Tue Jul 29, 2008 05:39 PM PDToh poor pumpkin!
I thought this was gonna be a SAD day and I can't stop laughing!!!
:OD
Rosie Jaan !!
by ebi amirhosseini on Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:52 PM PDTPlease read the comments on Javaneh's blog,once again,then you'll find the real " usual suspects"!!.
you know samsam ebi
by Rosie T. on Mon Jul 28, 2008 04:31 PM PDTi spent a very long time on that reply and it may interest you to know that my computer's down and i'm in a pay by minute i'net cafe. and you asked me a bunch of questions and i gave a bunch of answers and they are the result of a lot of self-study...nobody ever taught me anything about iran...whatever i know i learned on m y own...over the past four years...but mostly condesned into two...the two in between were fallow....the only contact i had was this website..and then it opened for blogging...and ahmadinejad came to columbia and...well one thing led to another...
and...
this has really been hell in a handbasket for me...trying to survive on this website after what happened...and i've done my best...and i wondered ebi what you meant about the usual suspects ebi when I wrote on javaneh's blog...and after that you never acknowledged me again...and if you'd you never acknowledged me again...and i had reasons for saying what i said to javaneh..but suppose i DIDN'T so what/ suppose it was just a MISTAKE...does tha tmean i should no longer be acknowledged? andmy work is OUTSTANDING ...and it's beautiful... andi've been marginalized and it's not my fault...and i i still deserve to be acknowledged...especially if i'm answering your questions..with everything i know in my mind and heart and soul..adn well...there's nobody like me here on this website and there never will be again...
ever...
and i'm suffering a lot here...i really am...i'm suffering... it's been unbelieably hard...
nobody likes that word here...suffering..it'san embarrasment here, isn't it? no one's supposed to suffer here...sufering's not allowed is it? this is fun..it's a cyber amusement park..i've disgraced the website with my suffering...even though it was caused by the webmaster...i SWEAR though no fault of my own..we're all guilty to some extent and women playing victim are responsible for that too...but...i never hurt that man...ever...i wouldhave rather died befoer hurting that man....and well..
i would've liked to at least be acknowledged...especially by you ebi beecause you always used to acknowledge me...for all the work and the study and the knowledge i put into that long reply here... so much of it in reply to you ebi...i wrote that poem nation ebi..it's not even my best work...ugly ugly i said..you said ugly sounds beautiful...
you have to suffer to write poetry like i do...but that's a dirty word here isn't it? this is just...a cybercafe..it'sonly the internet...
whatever
don't say anything to me if you can't stand me anymore...i dont' want to hear it..andi dont want pity either
robin
sam, ebi, critic balance
by Rosie T. on Tue Jul 22, 2008 03:29 PM PDTwell,,, several points
to all three, i think it's important to have a sense of the soul of a people, every people has a soul. i mean i saw Grass, the bakhtiari every year they walked how many miles, a hundred, more? THEY CROSSED THE MOUNTAINS BAREFOORT IN THE SNOW. no one really knows hw they did it. that's the soul of a people and it has to be cherished.
at the same time histoyry and current events, a people must be looked at critically. objectively. otherwise you get extrenes, romanticized extremes of dreams of the soul of a people, that can lead to a sense of ethnic superiority, even to fascism in worst case scenarios... so thanks for the info critic...balance...
the bakhiari are one of the oldest persian peoples living in iran for thousands of years, and one of the last nomadic tribes...how can they not carry a certain glory?
like everything else it's a question of balance...
ebi, why i wrote mongols and tatars, of course they were violent conqueror...in fact some of the worst in history anywhere ever until modern times. and i'm sure they raped plenty...ao then they REALLY are your blood, all that bloodshed,...i'm talking about your history, nothing can be denied..
also i believe seljuk and qajar were not only dynasties but tribal names..i will check..but that's what i read...somewhere recently...
which leads to the question of Shah Ismail Ebi and modern Iran. I believe the first source I read it in was Katherine Babayan. Iran didn't really recover from the Mongols and Tatars for a couple of hundred years, the depopulation may have been worse than the Plague in Europe...entire cities razed...every field salted...so persia was fragmented, atomized...and it was out of this rubble that shah ismail carved the map of modern iran, in a few short years a wild sufi teenage boy created pretty much the same borders we have today...he was in many ways a hero..
and yet someone wrote me once here that he was a gangster, a marauder, he conquered by the sword, he turned iran into a garrison, that turk..but if he hadn't there very well may have been no modern iran..
so which is the truth, hero or villain. i'd wager both. balance
as for the greeks, sEbithe case is not so clear as the mongols and tatars...the parthians at various times were hellenes, we have (or had) the bamayan buddhas, greco-buddhist culture flourishing in eastern iran...alexander followed in the footsteps of cyrus..the achaemenids were also imperialists, way before the west was....not everyone welcomed the achaemendis with open arms...which one died fighting the saka an aryan tribe...was it cyrus or daryush...i will check...but i believe it was cyrus himself...
balance, ibut what do i really know about persian history? or for that matter any history?
Re :Critic
by ebi amirhosseini on Mon Jul 21, 2008 09:02 PM PDTI did,tnx
Dear Ebi
by Critic (not verified) on Mon Jul 21, 2008 03:40 AM PDTPlease check my replys in Samsam1111 blog (//iranian.com/main/blog/samsam1111/cyrus-...)
Critic
and in you own blog (//iranian.com/main/blog/ebi-amirhosseini-...)
Those who bash Bakhtiaris, are the same who Bash Cyrus
by samsam1111 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 06:27 PM PDTBakhtiaris are the clan of Cyrus the great.They kept the memory of Iran alive after every foreign invasion.
Ebi ,,! I don,t know this Critic character & He/She certainly doesn,t know me..so forget about it.There has always been certain groups in Iran who get frustrated every time some one talks about ancient Iran or pure farsi. They are what I call the sympathizers to the cause of Qadesiyeh. May God cure their misguided mind.
Diyah Shi?
by SALTY THE SAILOR (not verified) on Sun Jul 20, 2008 04:07 PM PDTNow I've seen everything, Farsi subtitle for luri song!
Dear Critic !!
by ebi amirhosseini on Sun Jul 20, 2008 03:25 PM PDTGood arguement,but please donot make it personal.WE have good & bad poeple everywhere.Since you were asking Samsam about me on my blog:نحن معترضون غلیظاً للخلیج الفارسیه! ,I left one comment for you.
best wishes
Half of the world for you !
by ebi amirhosseini on Sun Jul 20, 2008 01:41 PM PDTVirtual tour.
//www.world-heritage-tour.org/asia/central-asia/iran/esfahan/ali-qapu-palace/sphere-flash.html?redirect=1
Rosie you may also like to know ...
by Critic (not verified) on Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:56 PM PDT... that Bakhtiaris were the first people who reached a deal with the British to share the Persia's oil between each other and leave NOTHING for the rest of the Iranian population. In fact among the most loyal servants of the British in Iran. See these document:
//books.google.co.uk/books?id=aNBQnow_wbYC&pg...
and
//books.google.co.uk/books?id=cNXdNrH6L-oC&pg...
The Bakhtiair khan who were paid £2000 a year to protoect the oild fileds for the Britus were so ineffectual and corrput that they were sacked by their British headmasters and replaced by the Indian Lancers.
Reza Shah who had effectively removed the Fuedal and Tribalist landownership of Bakhtiaris and Qashqai tribes was so angered when he found that Bakhtiari Khans had cut a secret deal with the British at the expense of Iranian nation that ordered the removal of thier chietains from the army posts. This is what truely the Bakhtiaris are. Was it not for the quick and effective counter measure and removal of the Bakhtiari treasonous Khans from power, the Iran'a oil was all consumed by the Bakhtiaris and the Brits.
Also what Amir Baham (samsam1111) doesn't tell you is that the most brutal head of the Shah's SAVAK and its founder was General Teymour Bakhtiar (Shapur and Soraya's cousin)
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teymur_Bakhtiar
Just to complete your knowledge of Bakhtiairis.
Tabarestan is the ancient name for Gilan on Caspean sea!
by samsam1111 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 09:58 AM PDTDiveh sephid (white monster) who fought Rustam in Shahnameh is from there..he was a landed immigrant and had a green Card in Tabarestan. his son Div junior is currently the head of the ministery of Man eaters (vazarateh Adam-khori) in Gilan.
Rosie Jaan !!
by ebi amirhosseini on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:17 AM PDTDear,
Seljuk,Qajar were dynasties(Turk) in Iran.Mongols,Greeks & Tatars; ruled in Iran after invading & massacring poeple,Syriac???( relevant to the thread ??!!).Arabs sure,they are in Khuzestan.Tabararestaan & Tapurestaan,previous names for some areas of Iran, a long time ago.
Best Wishes
p.s.
Thanks for reminding us of our dear Azaris.
BTW what is your source on Shah Ismail !?Who says w /o him there would have been no Iran?.
PS Viva everybody...Your blood
by Rosie T. on Sun Jul 20, 2008 09:07 AM PDTI wrote this on the blog last month about the gay party boy who jj made Iranian of the Day. People saiid why him, Isaid
He is Iranian of the day because he is Inanian. He has your BLOOD. Your beautiful Iranian BLOOD. Your PERSIAN, KURDISH, ARMENIAN, BAKHTIARI, LURI, QASHQAI, GILAKI, AZERI, JEWISH, MANZANDANARI, ARAB, SELJUK, BALUCHI, PASHTO, QAJAR, GEORGIAN, SYRIAC, BANDARI, MONGOL, GREEK, TATAR, TURKMEN BLOOD.
And I said a whole bunch of other things but that's what's relevant to the thread here I think.
PPS: This one's actually very important to me so could you please answer:
If I say Tabarestaan, what does that conjure up for you?
And if I say Tapurestaan, what if anything does that conjure up?
Many thanx,
Rosie
Viva Azeri
by Rosie T. on Sun Jul 20, 2008 08:55 AM PDTWithout Shah Ismaill there might not be any Iran at all either.
Well, anyway, viva everbbofy.
We are the world. We are the children.
& thx for beatifull songs Pal!!
by samsam1111 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 08:34 AM PDT...
Ebi..yes defenitly !
by samsam1111 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 08:32 AM PDTbirthday boy..
Samsam Jaan!!
by ebi amirhosseini on Sun Jul 20, 2008 08:12 AM PDTViva Bakhtiari,Lur,Kurd,Baluch,Gilak,Maazan,Turkman,.. & Kermani !.
JJ are you Bakhtiari ? it,s rosie,s Idea..
by samsam1111 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 07:22 AM PDTBakhtiari from Dad side ..Lur Nahavand from mom side..Rosie no worries..I understand..I got you missy..thx
Thanks for the blog. I read about the Bakhtiari role in the
by Rosie T. on Sun Jul 20, 2008 07:14 AM PDTConstitutional Movement and their subsequent persecution. I also saw the film Grass with an AMAZING new score. It was just gorgeous, the film the music everything. Once again, I'm very sorry about the confusion iwith the last thing I wrote you. I hope you understand. Oh, and one more thing. I'm pretty sure jj is part Bakhtiari if memory serves me. You should ask him. Maybe you're related. One big happy family. LOL Rosie