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Joe Joe .

You are delusional to the max. Your english is so horrible for someone who declares himself to be An American. Even worse, if you consider yourself a pure one and not even a hyphenated one.  You are only fooling yourself and no one else. I know for damn sure you are iranian.

 You are not even close to making your case for a serious discussion on anything political for that matter, All your posts are basically about slogans and some labelling, then some accusations and ... that is it and pretty much like a viscious and clownish cycle it repeate itself in various shapes and forms in different blogs! that is all you got. that is your only weapon. your strategy. So why don't you give it a rest? Or are you a prophet and on some kinda mission or something?

And one more thing. Don't be a loser ok? and leave my family outta this or it aint gonna be the same between you and me anymore.

Joe

i would sit and kiss the feet of islamic republic. much higher standards than what i see here as opposition.

Thank you for your honesty. But why wait? You are already kissing the feet of the Islamic Republic!

Thanks again for honesty you get one point. You get -100 for kissing IRR hooves.

to top it off

afshinazad in his blog writes:
"I never respected ARAB people and always thought they are worthless people".

wow. unbelievable. i said it there and say it here. if this is what you get once islamic republic goes away, i would sit and kiss the feet of islamic republic. much higher standards than what i see here as opposition. just an honest the god observation.

Joe camel (Shekspear)

Hey Yo,.

Where did you learn How to write sheksperean sttyle english and who was your instructor? LOL.

Beeekuz Yoouuu kerak meee opppp Lyke kereyzeeee,

By the way, How are things working out for you and that sunnwoman? Still kicking it?:)

Re: Thes guys are not Iranian

I agree! No true Iranian behaves like these Islamist idiots.

Joe

Wty the name calling? I find IRR to be much closer to Nazi than the opposition. Who is the one who wants to kill all the Jews. Or did you forget that little bit about IRR.

Thes guys are not Iranian

Why?

Look at the Menarets of the mosque in the background. Iraninan mosques don't build it that way.

This blog

can be cut and paste to any Nazi web sites and no one can tell it doesnt belong there.

wow wow wow, hold down

did someone just say: "that is why these people should be brought back down."
did we hear my way or highway? yes another proof that islamic republic is too good for some. dictators all over this site and increasing like a prasite.
dude, i dont give care what you like or dont like, approve or disapprove but you are a dictator acting like a modern democratic man. you ain't one. accept it before making another pro freedom and democracy comment. your understanding about the world doesn't entitle you to bring no one down. GET IT? you can't bring no one down, specially people if you disapprove. that's not freedom. thats not democracy. i dont like you but you still here and no one can bring you down. learn good $hit living here not the hate part. visit iran to learn humanity.
is anyone collecting the writings of dictators of this site, who are also pro greens?
wow. only in america!

G Rahmanian

I read your post twice so hopefully I got it.

I agree with some of what you are saying. Of course we are allowed to analyze the war. Yes the regime wanted it. The war did tragically provide the regime with an excuse to consolidate its power. Without the war they would have not been able to suppress other voices.

• The war was welcomed by Khomeini.
• The war gave the SOB the excuse he needed to suppress other voices.
• The war was definitely prolonged by Khomeini
• We should be examining the war. The whole thing needs to be studied in detail. In fact I want it taught in schools post IR as an example of how revolutions are stolen.
• War should not be glorified. It was hell.
• The soldiers should never be blamed. They did what they had to do; to defend their nation. You may not expect a soldier to have the depth of vision that someone like you or I has with benefit of 20 years hindsight.

VPK:

I think you need to start reading what others write more carefully. Where did I blame the war on the poor soldiers? Can you point out where I even implied such a thing? To call the war patriotic simply because Iraqis attacked Iran first, is wrong. Contrary to what you have stated, we knew the war was provoked. We already knew about the Iranian side's provocations and "skirmishes" on the border with Iraq. The war was the result of IR's expansionistic-adventuristic policies which continue to date. One very ugly outcome of the war was regime's consolidation of its grip on power. Also, we have all the right in the world to analyze the past historical events and scrutinize the actions of those who brought the war upon our country. There is nothing wrong with such scrutiny as long as we remain true to the facts of history. I find the intrinsic naivete and emotionalism of some comments and ideas expressed in defense of the war as dangerous as the ideology that was behind the provocation and perpetuation of Iran's 8-year war with Iraq. Khomeini finally agreed to the UN brokered ceasefire because as he clearly stated in his letter accepting the ceasefire, the regime was not able to mobilize Iranians as it had done in the beginning of the war. Desertions were rampant by then and many families stopped sending their children to the front.

thanks shazdeh

as our friend divaneh said retards rules

let's not forget their sacrifice rergardless of the real culprits still rulling the land and will celebrate now rooz without them.

one of those retard was a brother of mine picked up on street walking with my sisters and shipped to the front as fresh meat to be sacrificed in howayzeh and brought back in trash bag.         Maziar

Mr Rahmanian

The war was in many ways due to the incompetence of IR. If they had not decapitated the Iranian military leadership. Not broken our alliances and weakened Iran  no one would have dared attack us. But it did happen and Iran needed defense.

The soldiers are went to defend Iran not just is government. They are not to be blamed. Without them Iran would have been lunch for Saddam. Yes Khomeini was at fault. It is easy to see this now but then it was not so simple. The nature of Khomeini was not as clear as it is now. Iran was just going through trauma of revolution and Saddam hit us below the belt. What do you expect us to do? Should the soldiers have not fought back. Let him take Iran? After 1982 it was a different picture. 

For us watching it will full information it is easy to see. But for some Iranian on the front line not much had changed. Still Iraq was the enemy and Iran was defending herself. The blame goes to the leadership not to the soldiers. 

VPK

A lot of confusion

here on war; Basiji and so on. The was was a long time ago. The soldiers in it are not the same Basiji who beat up people now. They may have been called Basiji but were a totally different kind. Now to my points:

First of all; there are a lot of patriotic Iranians . They do not know all the "global" politics. They knew one thing: their nation was attacked. They were right. They fought to preserve Iran. Now I kow to many Iran and IR are indistinguishable. But that is wrong. They are two different things. Yes Khomeini prolonged the war but from the point of view of a soldier they were just  fighting to save their nation. They did not get to sit in every meeting and be privi to the motives of the leadership.

Many of them were "dahati". I am not saying this in a negative way. But truth is that they were not all highly read academics. Without them there would be no Iran. We should not be insulting them. We should be grateful for their sacrifice.

Maybe some people make fun of them because of a latent guilt of not having been there to defend Iran. I know I feel guilt for having been on the side. When others defended Iran with their blood. Now I can justify this by telling myself the war was prolonged by Khomeini. But at the end we were attacked and even RP to his credit offered help. 

Maybe Because You Chose the Wrong System to begin with ;0)

"Why in our proud country of Iran with the claim of 2500 years of civilization and many doctors, engineers, scientists and artists, should the Republic be run by the Retards? Is that an anomaly or there is a more fundamental reason for it?"

RESTORATION: Shapour Bakhtiar advocates Restoring the Monarchy

Nothing Patriotic About The War!

The ideology which brought ruin to Iran was behind the whole idea of freeing Jerusalem while enslaving Iranians. Khomeini et al. provoked the war and continued it for 8 years, short of only one month. Going to war meant defending the interests of a bunch of sick people who came to power by lying to the masses. It is easy to call the war patriotic when one hasn't lost much and hasn't really felt much. I have seen people who used their relatives' deaths for their own gains. The regime killed as many patriots as it could, before and after the war. In the real world, guns should have been turned against the murderous regime before it had the chance to provoke a war. The regime sent close to a million Iranians to their death, so a bunch of ruthless mullahs, Baseejis and RGC members could become millionaires or even billionaires. It caused more than US $ 500 billion in material damages. What is patriotic about that? I would like to know. We had lost so many friends, neighbors and relatives either to the Islamic butchers or the war that losing one or two had become a daily ruotine. Fortunately for Iranians, the crazies of the IR ruling clique have not been able to provoke more wars. Next time even if there is a war, Iranians know who to go after. Enough of regurgitation of regime's lies and defending a war that ruined millions of lives!

Agreed, Faramarz. Those

Agreed, Faramarz. Those soldiers of Christ are not really so bright.

Shazdeh: I am lost, only at the arrogance here.

I have a lot of respect for those who defended Iran against Iraq, specially the volunteer ones so you have my gratitude.

Just as I strongly disagree with the action of some of those veterans vise a vie Iranian people, I disagree with your mocking of the deceased veterans.

Faramarz Jaan:

For me, It doesn't matter so much under what name or ideology one defends his home land so long they defend their home land against occupiers. Much like now as I respect all those who are raising against IRI, religious or nationalist alike.

I am not a religious person but will not dare call those who fought for their country under religious belief a retard.

This concludes my participation in this blog.

Mehrdad

Mehrdad and VPK

I completely disagree with you!

In every war and in every army there are people who are there for all the wrong reasons. For example, in today’s US Army there are Christian Evangelicals who believe that they are doing the Lord’s work by going to an Islamic country and killing the terrorists (innocent or guilty, doesn’t matter!) And their religion provides the justifications for their actions.

The same is true for the right wing settlers who believe that their holy book has given them the free rein to do as they wish in the occupied territories.

I put the “Retards” that Shazde wrote about in the same category. These people were not defending a nation or a people, but rather a religious ideology and were seeking a quick trip to the heavens. Unless, you believe that Khomeini was a nationalist figure and actually cared about the well-being of Iran and Iranian people.

Also, it is true that Saddam fired the first shot in the Iran-Iraq war, but let’s not forget that as soon as Khomeini set foot in Iran, he started challenging the “corrupt rulers of Mecca, Karbala or Najaf”, King Hussain and Anwar Sadat (for the peace treaty.) He wanted a fight and he got one, and even in his dying bed was not ready to end it.

I wouldn’t call these “Retards” patriots.    

VPK jaan:

I appreciate you saying what you just said. We all as Iranians have a role in this and hope that we play our part wisely.

I am honestly very sad for not being in Iran to lend my direct support to the people in this struggle but I am hoping, planning and exploring on being supportive in other ways.

May victory be with the Iranian people

Mehrdad

Bavafa: you seem to be lost, again. Take a cold shower, again!

The War had two phases: National Defense and Khomeini's Crusade. There is no bragging here, but like so many others, I volunteered during the first phase.

I have no respect for the leaders (especially Khomeini) who sent half a million Iranians (after the 1982 Iraqi withdrawal) to their death ... and I have no respect for the Retards who followed him to Hell and who betrayed and recruited simple religious Iranians to go and fight Khomeini's world-conquering Jihad ... which almost completely ruined Iran by 1988!

Mehrdad Jaan

I am with you. I  think we all need to distinguish between patriots who defended Iran and Basiji who oppress it. The whole concept got changed from war time to now. 

Regarding personal responsibility I have thought about my own role. I did not support the revolution from day one. But I did not oppose it either. I did nothing. For years I bought the argument that IR was what people really wanted. So I figured who am I to oppose it.

Now after the recent events I have decided people don't want IR. Therefore I have become more vocal. I feel that I am standing with people when I oppose IR not against them. There are tough calls we each needed and need to make now.

As you know I don't like insulting Iranian people. I also do not put the Engineers and Doctors about others. In fact some of the biggest *** are the educated ones.

VPK jaan:

That point could have easily been made about those who are being used as a tool of oppression (i.e Sepah/komiteh and Basiij) to kill and rape Iranians and follow Khomeini blindly. But when they use the act of self sacrifice to defend the country against an invader which we all hated him so passionately, then IMHO is crossing the line and indication of being a retard ourselves. He couldn't swim and Shazeh could, whoopty doo…

I can't begin to tell you how upsetting this is for me specially to see our so called "engineers and doctors and civilized" ones can distinguish so little.

Lastly, I agree that the main responsibility is squarely on the shoulder of the criminal IRI, but we ought not to forget about our own responsibility in this. I am sure you have heard the expression of "If you betray me once, shame on you; if you betray me twice, shame on me"

I sure hope Shazdeh offers an apology to the deceased veteran of Iran-Iraq war for his lack of good judgment in this blog as I have enjoyed his writing in the past and respect him.

Mehrdad

Mehrdad

I think you and others are talking about different things. Going to war does not mean "retard". Joining the "Komite" does. I do remember the ultra religious youth whom followed Khomeini to hell. That is what they mean,

Being brave and fighting for Iran is different, But being mindless robots following Khomeini as a demi God is a problem. I hope I am getting my point across. In addition retards are not ruling us. They are the stick that the Mollah use to beat people with. They are not the brain but the hand that enforces tyranny. 

It is interesting how everyone likes to blame "us;I mean  the people"  for the shortcomings of IR. From right to left and middle. It is always somehow "our" fault. Blame the victim specially when they speak out.

Dear friends, thanks for your comments

God save Iran.

AH: I really don't know what you are talking about ... nevertheless ... Khoda Shafa Bedeh!

What did I tell you, Shazdeh? There is a Mustafa in every

neighborhood! And IC neighborhood is NOT an exception!

Stupid morons who followed Khomeini's personal hatred toward Sad'dam and vice versa in quest of Karbala, Qods, and export of the AN-Gholab (Not Defending Iran!) to the neighboring Arab countries deserved to be drowned in Arvand rood and gassed to death in masses!

For those who really defended Iran and sacrificed their lives for the protection of the mother land, we always remember them and are indebted to them until eternity!

You see

Stupid blogs like this forces me to defend some of those so called "retards"

I humbly say, retards are those of us who did shit their pants from the thought of going and defending our country in the time of need and when it was attacked by a monstrous regime, Saddam. Now, I would not have had any problem with calling those who have been beating and killing our young and brave on the streets of Tehran and other cities as "retards" . But to insult those who sacrificed their lives so Iran stays intact, that is the ultimate cowardliness.

And if it wasn't for the sacrefice of those "retards" you and I may have had an Iraqi step-dad or brother in-law.

Lastly to say, it may not be a bad idea to look at the mirror once in a while, the fact that we are being ruled by some "retards" is a direct reflection on ourselves. So just know how much more retards we are that a bunch of retards can rule us.

Some folks here just discuss me

Mehrdad

Shazdeh Jaan

 Priceless!!.

Ebi aka Haaji

Fantastic story

Humorous and truthful, however please don't call the current islamic regime a "republic" as it's a disgrace to any good functioning republic, any system where an unelected head of state is above the elected president is not a republic, it's a monarchy, we're dealing with a king/omar/sultan right now.

Cheers

ADAM!? What and who was this guy? Some rag-head mullah...

who came 9769 years ago? I mean the 1st of some 124000 Payghambars we were taught during the religion class and in the mosques? Or is it an ultimate state of civility one strives to reach and the harder you try the farther it gets?