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VPK: I agree, they may rely on EU, MEK, other Muslim countries

very much like the 2nd Persian Gulf war, of course, led by themselves!

All I was trying to say was that Iran had been occupied before by the Brits, the Russians, and the Americans.

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Mehrban, there were self-initiated committees at every level of the society back then, and most of them had nothing to do with mosques, there were workers' committees in factories, civil-servant committees in government offices, students and professors committees in universities, women's committees...A post-Islamic Republic Iran runs through a dissolution of Sepah and Basij (and unfortunately it will be violent).

The appendix  I referd to is a daily account of every day events in the last six months from Etellat. It's not articles but news clips from all the different activities that were happening back then (from 19 Sharivar to 22 Bahman). It would take a few minutes, or maybe a few hours to read the whole thing through. It gives you an idea of what a liberated people could do running their own affairs without  the aid of monarch or mullah.

ELS

I am not debating the morality of it at all in this post. But USA simply does not have the troops to occupy Iran now. After WWII the allies had massive forces mobilized. Right now even the mention of boots on the ground will get Americans hysterical. They want to remove troops from Afghanistan and Iraq. No one is supporting troops in Libya. How do you see them sending an occupation force to Iran? It will take hundreds of thousands of troops and many billions to occupy Iran.

USA is only willing at best to use air power. Mostly drones and missiles. They are simply not going to use troops. Neither will NATO. That is probably why they want MEK. Because they just do not have the popular support or money to use troops.

It is my understanding

that after the army pronounced its neutrality in 1979, and revolutionaries took over, a general control was put in place through the Komitehs that were essentially fed from a network of local mosques.   

At this time given that the Sepaah and the Basige are the regime, could the army be at all relied on siding with the people?  Also does the fall mean the dissolution of Sepaah and Basige or just the fall of VF?  

Ps.  Hooshang, I checked your link and found neumerous articles on an array of topics and non on civil security forces.  

Mirza jan,you're projecting your fear of a liberated people once

again.

The site I posted below in the previous comment is a day by day account of what happened in the last six months of shah's regime from Etellat newspaper, not me.

Actually  in contrast to what you project from 1977 (the beginning of revolution against shah) all the way to February 1979, Iran for once was united in a major cause and we had a period with very little crime or conflict amongst the people.

Most of what you refer to is what happened after IR was established. Many of those 'conflicts' amongst different oppresed nationalities were shemes of IR to make Kurds and Turks fight each other, which were nutralized by the poeple's intelligent intervention themselves.

In addition we have 32 years of experience behind us: all we need is a little faith in ourselves and a lot of self-organization. Students, women, workers, oppresed nationalites, (all of them inside the country) have had their organizations and have been waging a relentless war agaisnt IR, and receving some relentless crack-down from IR. Where is the organziation for millions of Iranians abroad?

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Check out the site below to get a daily account of what happened back then

//www.saamaan-no.org/entekhab.htm

Go to Appendix for Saamaan No #7

roozshomar enghelab.

"Running" - yes they were running it all right ... To the Ground

Hooshang jan: please remember that there was not much running going on, but rather running-to-the-ground.

You couldn't get 20 liters of heating oil, in the world's 2nd largest petroleum producer. There were 2 hour long queues for half-a-dozen eggs. Fighting, burning and killing was happening in all four corners of the country ... with full blown civil war in Kurdestan. Then there was the constant in-fighting among the revolutionary groups, which led to years of street shootings and bombings, tortures and executions!

Whenever I recall those bleak years, my blood boils up and my heart freezes in despair. It was hell-on-earth and I hope it will never happen again.

It has happened before and it will happen again!

It all depends upon what the collapse of the IRR does internally and externally.

If its collapse destabilizes (here I go again Shazdeh with the term) the region then you can bet your bottom $ that foreign forces will occupy Iran.

BTW, was Iran NOT occupied by the Allied forces in WWII!? See link below:

//usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/-images/2007/10/10/9...

Dear Mehraban

What happens after the fall?

I have no idea what will happen. If we are lucky and have our act together then some Mandella or Gandhi type. Or a Mossadegh. Maybe a Reza Shah type. Maybe a provisional government run by whoever takes over.

There is no way to tell. I do not think USA is able to occupy Iran so an foreign occupations is not probable. The MEK thinks they will but I doubt it. They do not have popular support. I hope Hooshang is right and that happens.

Please do recall that: from 1977 to 1979 Iranian people had

some of the strongest self-organized committees, formations in the country and were running the country by themselves (at every level of society: Oil refineries, universities, factories, government agencies,city neighborhoods...) without the monarch or mullahs.We have governed ourselves independently before and we will do it again.

Check out the site below to get a daily account of what happened back then

//www.saamaan-no.org/entekhab.htm

Go to Appendix for Saamaan No #7

roozshomar enghelab.

Shazdeh jaan, try 97 billion for 2011, it just came out

//www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=243...

مهربان خانم

That's the 70 billion dollar question (IRI's annual oil revenue). That's why the people of Iran need all the luck in the world.

It is easy to fall and hard to rise.

What happens after the fall?

Who is going to keep the social/civil order until and through referendum and subsequent free (assuming) elections could take place?  Any thoughts?

Mirza jan, if they take away their thugs from street corners,

their entire 'edifice' will collapse in less than half a day. Indeed, it will be comic and easy (32 years late though). Liked the Bill Connolly skit, cheers

Shazdeh, They will fall soon

And I hope that it will be fast and easy, and I love comedy. Iranians are good with jokes. Divaneh and Faramarz and other friends with good sense of humor, you are funny, could you come up with some good practical jokes?

Dear ELS: I haven't had one, but listen to Bill Connolly

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBMsPNI6EZE

چو آید به مویی توانی‌ کشید - چو برگشت زنجیر‌ها بگسلد

Dear Anahid and Hooshang: 

The IRI seems to running out of "luck", and I humbly believe that The Fall will be comically fast and easy.

Shazdeh: I just turned 51 and my doctor keeps scheduling one

for me and I keep procrastinating it. I am scared to death man! Any recommendation to reduce the anxiety!

Are we there yet?

Divaneh jan: we were "there" 30-40 years ago .... now it is time for the new generation ... we can only support them and wish them good luck (they need a whole lot of both).

دیپلم طبیعی

دین مارتین عزیز، اون وقتا تو ایرون دو جور دیپلمه بود: طبیعی و غیر‌طبیعی (ریاضی‌ و ادبی‌). خدا خواست و ما طبیعی شدیم.

برای همین من "استبیلیازر مستبیلیازر" بیل میرم و کلنگ برمی‌گردم. اما اگه وقتی‌ بیوقتی، کولونوسکوپی لازم داشتی، یه ایمیل بزن.

Shazdeh; e^-X is the exponential stabilizer...!

Any instable system can become stable once injected with the stabilizer function.

For Akhoonds, X can be anything:

a) Bombs,

b) Neshador or NaOH,

c) Louisville sluggers wrapped in barbed wires, and marinated in hot molasses (can you picture akhoonds getting colonoscopy exam with these devices!?)

A Permanent War of Atrrition against IR, leading to a General

Strike is the only sane, effective way of overthrowing mullahs.

And guess what: it's already on the way. So the question would be how could we (Iranians abroad) contribute to this War of Attrition and augment  people's push inside the country and  hasten the process of over throwing Islamic Republic of Hell, cheers

As of now, we miss that plan

Hopefully we will have it soon.

Now we just need someone to come up with that simple plan

Please wake me up when we have it.

ELS dear: you lost me at Y

What does e^-X->0 mean, for pete's sake?

Shazdeh, great minds think simple, e.g., E = m C^2...!

Bombing, is the only solution to the equation of Akhoonds!

Y = # of Akhoonds

X = The amount of bombing of Akhoonds

Y = e^-X -> 0, when X -> Infinity.

The more bombing, the less Akhoonds!