Contrary to our own belief, Iranians are a simple (I mean stupid) people. Most of us don't read books, most can't understand concepts. We are generally bad with common sense and most other senses too. Go blame Islam, Shiite, tyranny or whatever - it doesn't change the fact of the matter ... we are "simple" and only simple plans have ever worked on us.
To rest my case, here I have a simple list of examples (plans that worked on us vs. those that failed):
- Successful Example: Agha Mohammad Khan whose motto was; "surrender or die".
- unsuccessful example: Constitutional Revolution and the idea of rule of law, parliment and democracy for a country filled with millions of little dictators.
- Successful Example: Reza Shah whose motto was; "Isn't this mine? Well, now it is!"
- unsuccessful example: Mosaddegh and the total collapse of the parlimentary system under the weight of "people's will", people's choice and people's vote.
- Successful Example: Savak rule for 25 years with the motto of; "divar moosh dareh - mosham goosh dareh". Actually except for 6 months you can say that Savak (or Savama) has kept ruling.
- unsuccessful example: Islamic Republic of Iran with a promised just system based on the three pilars of Islam, Democracy and National independence (esteghlal, azadi, jomhori eslami).
- Successful Example: Absolute Rule of Mullah (velayat motlagheh faghih).
QED! Now, for the opposition to succeed ... they need a very simple goal, a very simple plan, and a very simple (read stupid and stubborn) leader. I say "they", because people like me have always been and will always stay outside the government of Iran (except for very short times and except to lose all we have).
I believe that people like me should only support what the Iranian people decide to do on their own free will ... be it Green, Red, Yellow or Black. It is their freedom of choice that is important - not what they choose with open eyes and ears - free from pressure and fascist tactics.
In terms of opposition, we should support the rights of all opposition groups to freedom of speech and freedom from persecution ... as long as they reject actions against basic Human Rights and International Law.
"Bombing" is simple too and can also "Work", but at what price? And don't kid yourself, air-tight-sanction is an act of war, and just a prelude to bombing ... it will be Iraq all over again!
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what parliamentary system?
by fozolie on Tue Aug 30, 2011 04:38 PM PDTYou speak of commone sense and exposing hypocricy. Let's get real. We never had the complete body of lawys (for example laws against slander, therefore our politics during the free periods was by innuendo). or the democratic institutions. Therefore the periods when we had freedom it was pure chaos. Just read the histories of the first free period by Bahar, as for the post Reza Shah period it was the same chaos with Toudeh mixed in.
The we have this idiotic cult of personalities (of which I have noticed you are not competely immune as you claim - your soft spot for the demagouge Mossadegh is well noted) instead of institution building no wonder people just sway from demagogue to another, latest variety being the green kind.
I am disappointed as I thought you wanted to expose humbug but by repeating the same cliches your soap box speeches make turgid reading. The only way to get to that truth and reconciliation of yours is to stop repeating the old mud slinging of which you are also guilty.
Mr. Fozolie
ممنون ...
MondaSun Jul 17, 2011 11:01 AM PDT
از محبت و گوش شنواتون. شاد باشید شازده جان.
سلمان جون
Shazde Asdola MirzaFri Jul 15, 2011 02:07 PM PDT
When you were in the Boshkeh of Faizeh Ghom; many people may have made your Ass Dola, but I wasn't one of them ;-)
Khomeini's picture is kept in many Iranian toilets, for medicinal purposes (anti constipation).
Monda dear: no need for any excuse - you are always valued
by Shazde Asdola Mirza on Fri Jul 15, 2011 02:01 PM PDTWhatever you write comes from a kind and warm heart, and is therefore always fine and pleasant. It is so easy to enjoy your every word, because a kind soul is worth 100 wise sages.
Dear Shazdeh
by Monda on Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:39 AM PDTSorry if I sounded offensively simplistic (borderline smarty-pants) to you. I am aware of my bad habit of blurting on IC about important ideas... To clarify, I meant that I do see the IRI system in the process of implosion, more than economically. However, noticing the ongoing regional trends, any effective opposition cannot Yet succeed, unless with the foreign aid/force/colonialist visions... On a bad day, It Pains me to imagine the possible consequences in our life-time and on a good day, I keep hopeful that any change would be in the directions of human rights and as close to Real Nationalistic Freedoms as our people should have, with open possibilities toward relative democracy within the region...
My Apologies to you again if I sounded disrespectful to your witty and passionate piece. I come to IC for your and other well-informed sages' raahnamaayis, I mean it.
What's the promise? Our common sense?
by comments on Tue Jul 12, 2011 05:18 AM PDT"as long as they (i.e. opposition groups) reject actions against basic Human Rights and International Law".
Salman
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Jul 12, 2011 04:42 AM PDTFine you got a point between you and Afshin. I am sure we are able to dig up some more. Like the Asiaban who murdered Yazdgird III.
Not so fast Al-Moghane'
by salman farsi on Tue Jul 12, 2011 04:25 AM PDTSome suggest Afshin was the record holder lol.
For an Islamic democracy
...
by salman farsi on Tue Jul 12, 2011 04:26 AM PDTFor an Islamic democracy
AssDola why do you keep a framed picture of Komeini?
by salman farsi on Tue Jul 12, 2011 04:09 AM PDTSo it is true what they say about you ghajaris: always ready to rub the clerical .... :))
For an Islamic democracy
Well for once
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Jul 12, 2011 02:38 AM PDTI agree with our Royalty. Salman Farsi was indeed the greatest traitor to Ancient Persia. The new traitors are those who knowing or unknowingly work for disintegration. That would be the AIPAC supporters and MEK.
Dear Hirre
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Jul 12, 2011 02:32 AM PDTPlease read the blog //iranian.com/main/blog/veiled-prophet-kh.... You should add your input to it; I would greatly appreciate your ideas.
The fall of the IR
by hirre on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:56 PM PDTThe fall of the IR will most probably be due to an economical collapse. This will trigger millions of the working class in Iran to rise against their former elected leaders, not for the reason of green politics, but for the reason of high prices. It will be interesting to see what kind of new leaders that will come out of the turmoil…
@ the most famous Traitor of Persia (salman farsi)
by Shazde Asdola Mirza on Mon Jul 11, 2011 04:51 PM PDTSalman: I will keep your vote of confidence in a special place ... close to a copy of Khomeini's framed picture!
ماندا خانم عزیز
Shazde Asdola MirzaMon Jul 11, 2011 04:47 PM PDT
حق با شماست ... معما چو حل گشت، آسان شود!
از راهنمایی شما خیلی متشکرم.
Rescue me before I fall into dispare ... sending SoS ... SoS
by Shazde Asdola Mirza on Mon Jul 11, 2011 04:44 PM PDTMessage in a bottle? Playing hide-and-seek? Good job!
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLFF2P8fInI
I notice
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:43 AM PDTa strong resmbelance between Fesenjoon and Shazdeh. Am I the only one or does anyone else see it.
Simple?
by Monda on Mon Jul 11, 2011 09:11 AM PDTShazdeh jan, I admire your optimistic humor... When the Timing is right, change could become simple. Any simpler?
Hoshang khan is correc. The
by vildemose on Mon Jul 11, 2011 08:07 AM PDTHoshang khan is correct. The structural problems of the IRI is beyond repair. They have self-destructed and are imploding from within slowly but surely.
AssDola! you said it brother
by salman farsi on Mon Jul 11, 2011 03:59 AM PDT"for the opposition to succeed ... they need a very simple goal, a very simple plan, and a very simple (read stupid and stubborn) leader"
I nominate you brother AssDola. You satisfy all the requirements for leadership :))
For an Islamic democracy
Folks
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Jul 11, 2011 03:08 AM PDTHooshang may be an ex Marxist but he makes more sense than the NeoCons. At least he has an open mind and is not beholden to NeoCons. Nor does he look to the West for our salvation which will never happen.
I am not a Marxist but am perfectly happy to work with decent ones. Not MEK but honest ones who want good for Iran. Hooshang whatever his ideology seems to be for Iran. Let us make our own decisions and not EU or USA.
There is one
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Jul 11, 2011 02:58 AM PDTperson who may raise to the occasion. This may surprise Mehraban; Shepeesh and others. I mean Ebadi. I have not been a big fan of hers. But she is in a position to take charge of an interim government.
The military and police will of course have to function. Call them Sepah or whatever but some unified military will have to be there. It would have to be allied with the interim government. Ebadi is probably the best chance we have for a sane change. She could be the head of a transition team. Keep order and help draft a new constitution. Hold fair elections and then hand over power. Heck she may run and become the next PM or President. RP has let us down and Ebadi has more support.
Diktator be payan salam kon! Mobarak, Ben Ali, nobat Seid Ali!
by Hooshang Tarreh-Gol on Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:59 PM PDTMosques are simply irrelevant to our coming revolution.
Basij and Sepah are maintained by the oil money, and now with the economy in full, total disarray, even the oil money can't help that much. Maybe a few more months max. The economy remains the key. With the elimination of subsidies they thought they could buy a few more years, now with inflation running wild (because of all the cash in circulation) they're reverting back to 'credit cards' for energy,...Talk about 'structural crisis.' They're simply at a loss. Add to this economic miasma, the political infighting brewing between AN and the other camp. One could say they have exhausted all their options.
Diktator be payan salam kon!
Mobarak, Ben Ali, nobat Seid Ali!
Hooshang t: I meant occupy
by vildemose on Sun Jul 10, 2011 08:14 PM PDTHooshang t: I meant occupy the mosques during the revolution...not once the revolution is over. we don't want them to organize Komiteh again, do we?
Haji ELS last time I checked you had a King with Rastakhiz Party
by Hooshang Tarreh-Gol on Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:54 PM PDTand now you're stuck with VF. Not a whole lot of change,
Khar hamon khareh palonesh avaz shod.
Any and all changes first and foremost come from your language and the terms you use. If after 32 years all you could come up with is "regime change" and are worried about why the thugs in Sepah and Basij should find new jobs, YOU ARE IN THE NEO-CON CAMP.
This coming revolution like all other revolutions has a mind of its own, just look at Eygpt, Tunisia, Syria, you'll see what I mean.
ANGOLAB was Shah's 'White Revolution" with us seeing the conseques yet after 50 years.
An'keh namokht az gozasht rozegar
Hich na'mozad ze zamin o zaman
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P.S. Vildemose, if progressives 'occupy' mosques, then what is the difference between them and thugs?
Religion should be left to the people. It's a private affair and should be maintained as such with no outside intervention from anyone. Most people in Iran are religious and will remain as such. The same majority don't want any state religioun version imposed on them. Once and for all we need to distinguish between private and public spheres and don't mix them. That's all.
It sounds like there must a
by vildemose on Sun Jul 10, 2011 07:30 PM PDTIt sounds like there must a military force to just keep the militant mosques at bay...The mosques should all be occupied by revolutionary and proressive forces...
Here we go again another left-over commie
by Everybody Loves Somebody ... on Sun Jul 10, 2011 07:22 PM PDTclassifying folks around here into neo-cons crowd, this crowd, and that crowd. Hey haji, Iranians did commit an ANGOLAB and are still paying the price for it. When are you going to grow up!
Good night!
The problem with I.C. crowd: so deep in neo-cons politics, can't
by Hooshang Tarreh-Gol on Sun Jul 10, 2011 08:05 PM PDTeven think out of neo-con vocabulary.
What will happen in Iran will a be revolution, not a 'regime change.' For those so hell bent on 'regime change' a friendly reminder: they had 'regiem change' in both Iraq and Afghanisatn and not much changed, with two, not one but two, Islamic Republics on both sides of Iran with constitutions very similar to Islamic Republic of Hell.
There's absolutely no need for Sepah, Basij, Isalmic Courts or anything from IR. Iran already has an army, a police force, and we will dissolve all Islamic Courts and pracatice 21 century laws in our land.
From 1977 to 1979, the security and much more important than 'security,' the everyday affairs of the country were run by those elected committees in Iran. Mullahs initially had no support amongst the Oil workers. Oil workers were the ones deciding how to produce oil, when and why. It's called Workers' Control (look it up). Similarly the initial phase of all these local committees were not dominated by religious forces, from factories to universities to government offices. Bourgeoisie and petty bourgeoisie always fear a people self-organized with no bosses on the top to run them. Peoples' power for them is a truly frightening thing.
Mehraban
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Jul 10, 2011 06:37 PM PDTA dissolution of the military will be a disaster. The switching of their loyalty to a new regime is ideal. Sepah; even Basiji are Iranians and have families like the rest of us. I know that many are unhappy with IRI.
A regime change would ideally keep most of the military and police intact. As I said the main thing it their switching of sides. I would be surprised if that happens. Specially if change is supported by most Iranians including practicing Muslims.
Hooshang jaan
by Mehrban on Sun Jul 10, 2011 06:34 PM PDTThe Komitehs in charge of security were backed by the mosques who knew the neighborhoods well, teachers and workers may have been organized internally, but were not actively part of the security forces. I will check your link again.
If you assume a violent dissolution of the Sepaah and Basigue then whoever fights them will be organized enough to setup an internal security force (I assume). Do you think we are there at this time? I know these are tough questions to answer but it behooves us to ask them non the less.