Siavash300

Disenchanted

You obviously do not know the difference of porn and regular movie. Get yourself some education and learn the differnce so you don't say funny things.

و غایت رهایی/ بر عُریانی‌شان/ جامه‌ی عصمت بود

زنان
عشق‌ها را آورده بودند،
اندام‌هایشان
از حرارتِ پذیرفتن و پروردن
تب‌دار می‌نمود،
طلب
از کمرگاه‌هاشان زبانه می‌کشید
و غایت رهایی
بر عُریانی‌شان
جامه‌ی عصمت بود.

//www.shamlou.org/index.php?q=node/212

The male chauvinist gaze turns bare women to degradation

and objectification. I don't need wiki to tell me what constitutes male
chauvinist gaze, or objectification, as mentioned before, it's a product
of male domination. There are also many natural female functions that
are also very taboo to talk about.

Didn't like my last idea for taboo breaking? Freezing to death in solidarity with prisoners might be a bit demanding.

How about this ; talking about female monthly function.

P.S. There's nothing particular Iranian about Patriarchy. Patriarchy is
a world system that has been in effect since time immemorial. And its
not about to disappear any time soon either. It's not about "our"
culture, it's about the culture of humanity, or lack there of.

Which reminds me of a joke;

What's the difference between yogurt and men?

Yogurt has culture. 

Don't blame everything on our culture Mash Ghasem!

       Porn business is considered "objectifying women" even in western societies. Some folks were going form nudity to even praising porn as a revolutionary and taboo breaking act! Feminists have been warning about "objectifying women" for long and they were not raised in Iranian culture!

   More in my blog:

   //iranian.com/main/blog/disenchanted/what-next-taboo-be-broken-iranian-women

  Mash Ghasem, here is wiki item on objectifying women: 

"Feminist scholars say that the objectification of women involves the act of disregarding the personal and intellectual abilities and capabilities of a female; and reducing a woman's worth or role in society to that of an instrument for the sexual pleasure that she can produce in the mind of another.[2][3] Although opinions differ as to which situations are objectionable, some feminists see objectification of women taking place in the sexually oriented depictions of women in advertising and media, women being portrayed as weak or submissive through pornography, images in more mainstream media such as advertising and art, stripping and prostitution, men brazenly evaluating or judging women sexually or aesthetically in public spaces, and the presumed need for cosmetic surgery, particularly breast enlargement and labiaplasty.[citation needed]"

 Patriarchy? Huh?!

As for suggestion of your next taboo act?! Naaaah...It entails dressing up! No no no..Only undressing counts in taboo breaking!

Nudity does not equal objectification of women, its our values

that informs our gaze. Such distored, dehumanizing take and look at women, are a product of patriarchy.

Meaning that, for us raised is a sexist, male patriarchy culture, it's how we are conditioned and brought up in a male dominated society, that female nudity must always equal, objectification of women. But such a general claim simply is not true. When an Egyptian women posts her photos on internet, is she degrading her self, or challenging Salaafis and Ekhvan, and all other 'respectable' patriarchy abiding forces. There's an element of resistance in here that some are just simply blind to.

As the next act of taboo breaking: how about all dressing up as political prisoners, literally freezing to death in Iran, for one day.

Next taboo to be broken by Iranian women?!

         As you intelligent & open minded compatriots have noticed, posing nude in public and now even engaging in porn business have been praised as earth shattering events toward liberation of Iranian women on this site by some!

        Lets assume there is no such concept as "dignity" for a second and wonder what is the next step in this movement?

    Where does it end? How low it can go? If say Namjoo tomorrow releases a music video showing him singing naked, that would be a watershed moment in history of music in Iran I suppose!

    This is not liberation of the women. This is degradation.

      Human procreation tools and accessories are tools of natural evolution not socio-political revolution folks! :-)

         There is a domain between demeaning and suppressive treatment of women in Iran and exploitative treatment of them as sexual objects in the west. That is the domain of freedom and dignity for women.

     The fear is that what some have in mind as an alternative to a reactionary & backward culture is nothing but western garbage disguised as freedom and liberation!

Disenchanted, seems you don't get it. Do you?

Any resistance by any Iranian woman against Islamic tyrany is admirable. Golshifteh is not representing the Iran or Iranian woman.She is one among million Iranian women who suffered tyrany of bunch of the stinky rag heads who imposed idea of lizard eater arabs from 1400 years ago to our nation for last 32 years. In respond to your sarcastic comment, I have to say all Iranian women who resist the barbaric idea of bare feet arab tribes during last 32 years are true inspirational and revolutionary. Regardless their sexual orientation, race, language (which appears sex and gender is very important for you)  I solute all of them. They are all in my heart and in the heart of million patriatic Iranians. They are in the heart of all Iranians who care about their country and the future of their country.  

Did I make myself clear? if it is still unclear, please let me know so I go furthure.   

Disagree?  Sure, anybody entitle to his/her opinion.

I admire her resistance against premitive idea of bare feet desert Arabs from 1400 years ago. I am Persian and I am proud of my heritage and my culture which is distinctively different from Arabs.

Disenchanted

Please you are very right and judgmental sir. You watch and see a gutter. Another person will see beauty. It is all part of your minds. People have different points of view do you get it?

One man sees killing a sheep "ghorbany" as charity and other as barbaric. I know vegans who that a meat eating human is as vile as you find the "porn" star. You got to accept different point of view. Or be stuck in a a small world.

Congratulations! Porn star as true inspiration & revolutionary

     Wikipedia: Aylar Dianati Lie (born 12 February 1984)[1] is a Norwegian model of Iranian Azeri[2] descent and former pornographic actress who gained celebrity status under the pseudonym Diana.

        From gutter to the sewer!      

Golshifteh is a Taboo breaker

"I really think that Aylar is the taboo breaker, not Golshifteh, for whatever that's worth anyway." A.O

 I looked at those photos in color with the beautiful face of Aylar. It is very obvious that she turns any average man on. It is obvious the photographer intended to do so. I am sure Aylar was trying to meet those expectations.

Now, is that the intention of photographer of Golshifteh when he was shooting her with 28 others in less than 1 minute video? Did he communicate with his viewers in sexual theme or has he ever tried to convey sexuality in these poses? 

    Of course, not. and that is count. There is common expression in English that says: it is not important what you're saying, it is important how you say it. That implies the intention of the speaker. Golshifteh photo shot reminds me of early work of Ceszanne and later on Toulouse Lautrec. 

    Some people are putting moral judgement on Golshifteh photo because they don't grasp the essence of beauty in terms of art and artistic work.

جستجوی سرنوشت

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt7ctWiD0kA&feature...

But Siavash

The sentence of you that I quoted didn't make the distinction.  It just talked about posing nude in front of the camera, and Aylar Lie's porn is also posing nude in front of a camera.  But more importantly, Aylar also has many "sexual" photos as well which are not porn.  You can do an easy Google search and find them.  Here's one:

//images.sodahead.com/polls/001661823/4423806298_aylar_lie_pornstar_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg

And here are a whole bunch more:

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=653&q=aylar+lie+naked&gbv=2&oq=aylar+lie+naked&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=951l4256l0l4496l15l14l0l10l0l0l205l644l0.3.1l4l0

I really think that Aylar is the taboo breaker, not Golshifteh, for whatever that's worth anyway.  But Aylar doesn't get the recognition because she used to be a porn star as opposed to a mainstream actress, and that's really unfair. 

Right Siavash jan

Nudity is not equal to sex it depends on many things. I go to pee and pull out my thing. It is not sexual to the least; same with poop. Many tribes in Amazon run around naked. There is nothing sexual about it.

But pornography is meant to be sexual and often is. Don't mix them up please. A picture of a nakes prisoner is definitely not sexual to a normal person.

Child breast feeding in public

Thanks everybody who visited my blog. My point here is the fact that some paradigm such as child breast feeding is accepted socielly in Iran. We even see the most fanatic, Islamic mother from under her chador (Islamic veil) take her breast out or put the nipple in her child's mouth in the public. It is common practice in Iran. It doesn't seem ever arouse any men's sexuality.  Similarly, there are so many pictures of jewish women nude in black and white. it was taken after they placed in gas chamber by Nazi Germany. Those pictures also don't arouse anyone sexuality. In fact, people express sadness once they see those pictures of nude jewish women. They think of crimes committed by Nazi Germany against humanity. They don't look at those women as sexul object or porn.

     Child breast feeding in public in Iran has been accepted socially, but to get naked in the front of camera was not accepted because it was not part of paradigm. Golshifeth was able to make a paradigm shift. She is the leader.

AO: those porn stars that you mentioned were meant to communicate with their audiances in sexual theme. The photo shot from Golshifteh was meant to be sexual. The black and white background and the mood of the shot promotes state of art rather than sexuality. At the same time, the shot promotes women's liberation in Iran.

Islam and Iran

In the 636 Iranian Sassanids got trashed by Muslim Arabs. Because of that history of Iran was changed. The disease known as Islam was loosened on Iran and the world. It has taken us 1400 years to see it for what it is.

Now finally thanks to freedom of speech and information we may see. Iranians all over the world get to speak their minds without fear of death. We get to criticize and question as we never did before. This is why Muslims are so afraid an nervous.

Before they were able to kill anyone who so much as opened their mouth. Now there are so many sites there is no way to do anything. And if they do something they go to jail. Therefore finally Iranian people got a chance to be released.

Right on Siavash

I agree with Siavash and Maryam. 

 Thank you, Golshifteh, for your courage and openness. This is a slap  in the face of those who want to oppress and subjugate women. 

Not so much Siavash Jaan

We are entering into the new era of Iran's history where woman is able to pose naked in front of camera.

Don't forget that we had an Iranian porn star way before Golshifeth:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylar_Lie

I have seen one of her earlier works, and let me tell you....not that I judge her or anything.  It's none of my business what she did, or does.  I'm just saying that we had Iranian women appear nude, and even in sex acts, in front of camera before Golshifteh.

Again, I'm not judging either one of them.  What they do with their bodies, or what they choose to show of their bodies, is their choice and none of my business.  

Disenchanted

Yes this woman is leading a change which you obviously do not approve. Well you know this and more has been the norm in much of the West. If you are able to live here then you should be able to deal with it in Iran. 

I have no idea when you will see topless women in Tehran. But I hope to have topless beaches by Caspian in my lifetime. People in America said the same things about interracial marriages. Now we got them all over.

Just because society is backwards it does not mean it will not move. It will but takes time and bravery. One person and then another until it is normal. Wait and see for yourself.

Great Truth, Siavash

I have been dreaming for the day of IRR/IRI fall.  After that day, IRANIAN Women must gather in FREEDOM SQ and one by one burn their scarfs & Chadors in fire which set on there.

It's a shift OK

As Charlie Sheen would have it: Radical, Epic, Winning!

      "Paradigm shift" or rather "Paradigm Shifteh"

      "Golshifteh is the leader of this cultural revolution"! ehem..

     so we expect a topless demonstration soon in Tehran! :-)

     Faramaraz kojaee?!

   "the act of Golshifteh could be well revolutionary which promotes Iranian women liberation"! Halaluja...