Simorgh5555

Delavar

If they tried the Zionist line with Zahra then they would really take people to be more stupid than they think they are. 

Delavar

If they tried the Zionist line with Zahra then they would really take people to be more stupid than they think they are. 

Mehrdad

Thank you very much again for your reply. I enjoyed reading it. The united stand taken by Iranians during the liberation of Khoramshahr was certainly unique and I wonder if such solidarity can repeat itself. Iranians need a new impetus or event which can act a sa catalyst to galvanize them into fighting the regime. With so much distrust and differences in ideology I wonder whether another revolution like the one Khomeini started can happen again.

When we saw the mass demonstrations in the summer of 2009 we were all full of hope but then it was shattered when the revolutionary guards and Basijis in riot gear beating the young with clubs and bare fists. At that time I wish that there was external force -anyone!- to come to the rescue of these hapless people. What would have happened if someone dropped a bomb on one of these Sepah bases? Would that have helped? Would that only stop opposition to the government and lead people to serve the regime? These are difficult questions. 

I am surprised as to why

I am surprised as to why the did not say Zahra was a Zionist. After all if all bahaies are labled to be zionists. If even some MKO members are called Zionists before their execution;it would have been much easier to say that This poor lady was a zionist than planting drugs at her house.

Where is molah Nasredeen? Where are "mehdi" and Sargor pirouz to come here and call everyone Zionists and American spies? Where is Niloufar to come and say over and over that hezbollah is a moderate group? How stupid can anyone be to consider rape to be moderation? How many Iranians were raped in Evin prison before their execution? CVan you even count?

What a shame.

Dear Simorgh: sorry for long reply but this is how I see it

Serving as a foot soldier for a couple of years hardly makes me any more qualified in military matters then you or any one else, but lets us use our common sense and maybe history as a guide.

Just as you correctly cited the 1991 betrayal of America to the Kurds which resulted in a death of many Kurdish people, there is really no guarantee as when they may just pull the rugs from under you and leave you to the wolves. But also as we saw in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, even though it was by a massive foreign force, it did not prevent the kind of massive chaos and lawlessness that we are worrying about and still continues some eight years later.

On the other side, the 1979 uprising by Iranians resulted hardly in any chaos, right. Of course many were murdered under the disguise of revolutionary court, but the numbers are not any thing like we have seen in Iraq.

As for the alternative, I certainly hope we do not try to come out of a puddle just to fall into a bigger hole, much like we did in 79 and I strongly believe a military attack by the West will facilitate that with a much greater chance for lawlessness and chaos since some may just fight not for the love for IRI but out of their nationalistic and patriotism which Iranians have proven to hold sacred. One good example of that is the Iraq-Iran war. During the first two years, up to when Khoramshar was freed, there was hardly any friction between the military and Sepah/Basiij and I am talking about low ranking people. We really all felt united and put our differences aside and conducted ourselves as a united front with much cooperation or any abuse towards those of us that were not religious. Just as Khoramshar/South was freed and Iran started to have the aggressive posture the cooperation between Sepah and military changed to a competition and friction was evident at every level between Sepah and military.

Anyway, I really did not wanted to go to the Iraq-Iran war and also I appreciate it if I am judged by my conduct now rather then my service in the past. That was as a love for my country and my duty nothing to brag about or to cut slack for. So feel free to flame me any time I am out of bound.

Mehrdad

Mehrdad

Thanks for your reply. However, my concern is that an armed civilian movement unlike an army could possibly lead to anarchy and people bearing grudges against one another will add to the chaos and lawlessness. I am not a military expert - indeed, you have more experience about this than me - but I fear that without any air support any armed movement civilian or otherwise is bound to fail. This is the main reason the Kurdish and marsh Arab uprising against Saddam Hussein failed in 1991 when the Coalition forces during Bush Sr. term in office betrayed the people they encouraged to liberate. The mistrust of the West is understandable but sometimes I ask what alternative is there. 

It is always a bloody affair

Simorgh: Dutch-Iranian executed, accused of drug trafficking

[Since the above thread is closed to comment now, here is my respond to your question]

If you read my comments carefully on IC (on related topics), you will often see that not only I have nothing against bearing arms by Iranians to take their country back, I fully support and encourage it. That is the right of every citizen to defend themselves and in case of Iranians, since the JUST rule of law is non existence they must do that in my opinion

On of my main opposition to any foreign involvement in a military approach to depose IRI regime is that they will be dictating the next and I have an enormous distrust about that. This is a fight for Iranians and they must be dictating the terms. Of course it goes without saying that any attack by foreign nations will strengthen IRI hand in their brutal tactic to deal with dissident and causes people to unite in defending their home land, much like when Saddam attacked Iran.

Regards

Mehrdad

"But he(read they) won't flee"

says the  islamist regime propagandaist hiding behind a fake "communist looking" avatar. 

But you, (Read the paid agents of the islamist regime) have fled already! As for bloodiness of the effort in bringing down the islamist regime through a revolution, the blood is being shed daily in Iran, except only the blood of ordinary Iranians, not the islamist regime's agents. Time is high for islamist regime criminals and their supporters to pay for their crimes by their filthy blood. You better advice your paymasters to acape while there is still time. advice them on immigration mattars to toronto and London, dont waste your and our times with your chert o pert  you shameless islamist mozdoor.   

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

110th Execution In Less Than A Month!

IR is terrorizing Iranians. People are angry because of the economic stagflation caused by the regime. They may take to the streets of major cities any moment, now. The regime is aware of that and is trying to scare people. IR's days are numbered.

Divaneh

All the more reason that you strike at the heart of these terrorists. Stop the sale of crude oil, bomb the Sedaye-Sima and all media communications. Obtain a total blackout and bomb the Sepah and Revolutionary Guard. Destroy the Majlis and all key institutions of the IR. 

Is that why they killed Zahra Bahrami?

The haste with which IRI murdered its latest victim bewildered me. They didn't even inform her solicitor because she may have delayed it. I wondered why and then there was a moment of aah. They timed it to coincide with the global demonstrations against executions in Iran. It was a case of IRI pulling face at demonstrators and saying that I don't care what you say. If that's the case then they have shown that on the contrary the demonstrations bug them and that is how they vent their anger. 

IRI officials are in charge of the drug traffiquing

and the traffiquing of women and children for the purpose of their sexual exploitation.  These are facts I personally realised while doing research on non-political women prisoners of Evin and homeless women under the ''protection'' of the Ministry of Welfare, during 1990's.

We are dealing with the most corrupt, unethical and immoral regime in the Middle-East and the world. Too bad the Russian and especially Chinese imperialists, who are taking over the world and replacing Americans, are supporting thes criminals.

Azadeh

The IR supporters

of different SHADES and COLORS make all sorts of excuses to keep the regime in power. Shameless as they are, they can hardly hide behind "innocent" theories and "smooth" phraseology which, indeed, are employed to cover up their manifest double-dealings and treason. These implacable enemies of Iran and Iranians would resort to any ploy to distort and discredit all moves to bring down the murderous regime of IR.

Lets try to identify...

the islamo-nazi terrorists behind this atrocity (and those supporting it here and elsewhere) so when the time comes they can be brought to justice. 

Here is what I believe

I believe that it was no coincidenc­e that Egypt's top military brass were in DC over the weekend. This is my take...Oba­ma/US has made it clear to the military that Mubarak has to go and that the military is not to shoot at unarmed civilians peacefully protesting­. They are ok'ed to make sure order is kept and looting is prevented becuase if Egypt's infrastrac­ture is destroyed, it will take a generation to rebuild and the US cannot spend more on Egypt. They probably agreed on some sort of timetable for democratic elections in which an interim figure will rule and create some semblance of order and continuity­. Of course we probably won't know this went down util like 50 years from now when the files are declassifi­ed. Does that ring a bell??

Al Jazeera Magazine reports that sources at the Egyptian Embassy in Tel Aviv, Israel are preparing to welcome Hosni Mubarak into exile.
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Of Khamenei's fate

We will fight him. no question asked. But he(read they) won't flee. If you (read we) choose the military option, it will be bloody and long. That's why without an iota of shame and hesitation I go for change within. That too will be long, but less bloody; far less.

And by the way, I don't see Mubarak as a dead man walking, yet. 

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.

Comrad??are you trying to

Comrad??are you trying to say Khameni will not suffer the same fate? Or Khamenie is better than the Shah or Khameni is not a vile, brutal dictator?

"Everybody­, sooner or later, sits down to..."

Why should we look at a foreign president when we have the perfect example of our own Persian Shah?!! 

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.

Vildemose

I'm sorry but I tried to find a link to a documentary by the Guardian newspaper which interviewed an ex-Basiji who claimed that Khamenei intended to flee to Syria at the height of the demonstrations in '09. An airplane was on standby. 

Vildemose

I'm sorry but I tried to find a link to a documentary by the Guardian newspaper which interviewed an ex-Basiji who claimed that Khamenei intended to flee to Syria at the height of the demonstrations in '09. An airplane was on standby. 

Death To IR

There will be no end to thsese heinous crimes as long as the murderous regime of IR is in power. IR terrorists must go!

"Everybody­, sooner or

"Everybody­, sooner or later, sits down to a banquet of consequenc­es." -- Robert Louis Stevenson

Just look at Mubark. At least, he can go to other countries. Where would Khamnie et al go??

Azadeh

I do not want to flout Iranian.Com rules but look at the following link and read the comments by FuzzyGorillaz and Nioufar Parsi:

 //iranian.com/main/news/2011/01/28/iran-hangs-iranian-dutch-woman-drug-smuggling

How FuzzyGorrilaz can justify the execution of this woman and look her child into her eyes and say it! 

Death of Zahra

The unjust hanging of Zahra Bahrami is part of the recent savage massacre of the Iranian people in the hands of a small bunch of Islamist thugs who rule Iran against this same people's will and are becoming more and more brutal as they come closer and closer to their final demise. Supporting Zahra's execution is beyond my imagining. It demonstrates nothing but a total lack of conscience.

We shall overcome,

Azadeh