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Where is Princess Farahnaz?

We lost two of our children of Iran, Laila and Ali reza. Now where is Farahnaz?  We should be concerned now about her. She is a beloved Princess of Iran, too. All of them were just kids as they left Iran. The Iranian should support them with love and unity. They belong to our family, like other Iranian children. We are responsible for the life of all Iranian children. Farzadan Iran must progress and not be killed?

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opinionpost,

Your concerns are valid and are not yours alone. But in this case, depression is a very very private matter no matter who you are and what social status you possess. I don't think personal life of Alireza is any of our business, beyond what he himself was willing to share with us. The sad magic of his suicide is exactly in this, that non of us knew anything about him, yet it touched us so deeply.

But what triggers your frustration, is not the current story of prince Alireza and I don't think it has anything to do with him. It is the accumulation of mishandling and tight handling of public affaires of the secretariat of Reza Pahlavi. Because if his personal life is his to live, his role as the crown prince is a public matter and it doesn't flow as it should. I can think of many good reasons why it is that way but that is not the point as you mentioned. There is a deep lack of communication, not necessarily to open up, but at least to clarify why he doesn't open up more than he does.

But this criticism of a concerned citizen is one thing, and I should mention that our own DK in Iranian dot com has expressed the similar criticism several times... And the critisism of those opportunists who jump on the wagon to add their filth to the story is completely something else. These nasty people are the main reason Reza Shah is not as open as he should be. At least this in one single -and major- reason that is obvious and we all know about it and Reza Pahlavi doesn't need to explain.

As for your first post about Alireza being 'political', I don't know anything about this but of-course he was political. Any Iranian who cares about his or her country is political. But he was not publicly active in politics otherwise we would have known something about it.

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SamSam,

That groundhog day cracked me up and I still can't get over it! 

The dictatorial nature of monarchy is showing its ugly face

The Pahlavis are public figues . They need to do away with secrecy and show some transparancy . As Moshiri points out , Honesty and truth is what the public deserves to receive . .

At the expense of  disregard for the public , Pahlavis are concerned with their own privacy . 

Love to know ur opinion (Except Tavana)

I love AliReza, and I respect Reza Pahlavi and his mother, Shahbanou.

But If they are not open with me, and as facts show they have not been engaging with me as an Iranian, how could I feel right to call him my representative and leader? Why should he be my leader, if we don't even communicate in a societal level?

I remember, once I sent an email to kambiz Hosseini in Voice of America ( Parazite) and asked a question. he sent an answer within 10 minutes from his black berry. So, I don't say I agree or disagree with him, but I will not follow a Royal member, because of his blood, if he has kept it "hash hash" and "hiss hiss". Of course I repect, those of you who will. THis is the meaning of Democracy, I dream for my country. I dislike Mousavi, and Karoubi, Khomeini's orphans, but whomever wants to follow them , feel free.

I would love to work with Prince Pahlavi, for Iran's democracy. I would have hard time become friends with him, because I don't feel being communicated to, or counted for. His posting in respond to explanation of his brother's death, sounds like shah's lecture n Jashnaye 2500 Sale. I love reza Shahe Kabir, And Mohamad reza Shahe pahlavi, and Alireza jun. But I deserve to be communicated with and to be open with by Prince Reza Pahlavi.

Some say, they are under pressure from United States... Sooooooo, what are you afraid of?  What pressure? Let us know... if not excuses...

I read from Neighbours Ali reza had aljazirah Dish

Now, How on earth!

he is not political? some one explains this to me....

Tavana, you may refrain...... 

Ben

Welcome to my world where its groundhog day every day starring serial clone actors marching to the same Qadessi tone day in & day out. & then u wonder why Hedayat killed himself. I dont even call folks like that Mossadeghists but "herdist" victim to status quo trends, so irrelevant & so bankrupt of ideas that cling to late Mossadegh to give their pointless sermons a bit of legitimacy . cheers pal!!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

It has certainly been a very sad and tragic event

And it is certainly much more sad to see all the speculation on both sides, the anti Pahlavi blaming the family for not taking care of them (both Leila and Alireza) and/or applying pressure to keep him out of public eye in favor of his older brother. On the other side the pro Pahlavi family, including RP, blaming this tragic event on dictatorship of IRI and comparing his passing with so many young who have been fighting so bravely and dieing in the IRI prison.

Just shameful on both side that they can not leave this family in a bit of privacy and in their sorrow.

Mehrdad

politicians!

 I think Islam which came to Iran was actually 700 years behind!

That makes it 2011 as of now.  

catch up!

A

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 Nowonder Ali Reza  did not  get involved! 

Five surgeons from big cities are discussing who makes the best patients to operate on:

The first surgeon from New York says, "I like to see Accountants on my operating table; because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered."

The second surgeon from Chicago responds, "Yeah, but you should try Electricians!Everything inside them is color coded."

The third surgeon from Dallas says, "No, I really think Librarians Are the best. Everything inside them is in alphabetical order.

The fourth surgeon from Los Angeles chimes in, "You know, I like Construction workers. Those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over."

But the fifth surgeon from Washington, DC shut them all up when he Observed, "You are all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on.

There’s no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains, and no spine; plus the Head and the Ass are interchangeable." 

SamSamIIII

What a subtle remark you did!

I actually didn't watch the video because I know all about Mossadeghi filth. But I saw your comment and watched it this time. Because of the voice similarity, try this: watch the video with closed eyes.

You can not tell this speech is not coming out of the filthy mouth of Ali Khamenei! 

Leila and Alireza

They should have never been left alone.  Both Leila and Alireza.

Where was the family and the mother to be around her son and daughter ? Why didn't they take precautions? They were both depressed whether from childhood or other reasons, the family should have taken major steps. Leila died alone in a hotel room and I know for a fact that the Royals did not lift a finger to help her. Therapy, medications, the love of friends and family and doing good deeds could have helped both of them

Depression is a terrible disease but it has cures, there are medications.  I think Moshiri is quite correct nevertheless a young man killed himself, something that could have been avoided.  May he rest in peace. 

"Shah was 100 years behind "

Yes & you & omaru shaikhaks like this akhoond are 1400 yrs behind. So work harder to catch up ommaties & thats that. Cheers!!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

Moshiri????

Why should I explain Moshiri's  position? ask him!

I was addressing you, which I found was pointless.

A

privacy

I am not inserted in reading his private message to his family or to anyone, but if it has political implication, it needs to be revealed.There is no trust in that dynasty anyway and I do not seek reasons to  trust them! Shah was 100 years behind and his successor could use some help in public speaking.  Read Foucault who talks about the tip of the ice.   A

BTW, I found this one very unbias ......

//www.aolnews.com/2011/01/08/alireza-pahlavi-the-lonely-life-of-an-exiled-prince/

The good behavior of the people, warms our heart and make us thankful.....  And the bad ones, just make us to recognize and appreciate the good ones!

Atefeh

Ari's statement is the most valid one:

"if suicide note contains infromation that may politically damage or
weaken the institution of the monarchy in exile, then keeping it a
"state" secret is politically reasonable." 

Couldn't be said better than this.

Why private life of the political persons should matters so much? Why should RP air his brother's private life, just to gain the trust of the people? How about his "dignity", then? Do you vote for a politic man who sells his own deceased brother,  just to gain more votes?

The late French president, Jacques chirac, also had lost his daughter to suicide, while he was at service. Nobody questioned him about that! The family took a week to mourn in silence and then they came back to their usual activities, both father and mother were politically active at that time. None of the serious magazines even tried to interview them about that matter.......just the janjali journals and the paparazzi who wanted to gain more money, have published arbitrary stories about that, and it ended as that!

A very prominent journalist (who was also very active, politically) had to announce his own daughter's suicide, at his daily news program at the French TV1. His name is Patrick Poivre d'Arvor. Only two hours after his daughter killed herself, he had to air his program on the TV at 8 pm. So he said this: A young girl committed suicide two hours ago, by throwing herself under the metro vehicle, the reason remained unknown as we are diffusing this program!

Nobody never questioned him about that, and the next day he came to TV1 and continue his program, like nothing had happened. But the noisy magazines did lots of speculation about that, too.

Another story is about Frédéric Mitterrand, the ex French president. Right after died from cancer, some magazines divulged an information about his private life. As he had been married once he was a military in Algeria. He had a 30 year girl from that marriage and kept this secret from the media and the people, for more than 30 years! They went to interview his wife. She refused to talk about that and said only: He was the man whom I loved whole my life!

The French remained completely indifferent to that news. When the TV journalists questioned the people on the street , they answered like this:

- So what, he had a daughter from a previous marriage? What does it have to do with his politics?

- We don't care about people private life. We are in France here, not  England!

etc, etc.......all this to say, that politic men, are human too. If you respect human rights and the privacy of the people, then you must respect their privacy too. Too much curiosity is not a valid argument for forcing celebrities to divulge all their private information.

I give you a few fictive scenarios about ARP's suicide. Of course they are all fiction, not true , but that might include the true reason, who knows?

1) He killed himself cause of an impossible love affair

2) He did something really wrong and got black mailed by some individuals

3) He was gay

4) He learned something very bad about his father's past deed and he became disgusted to the point that he preferred to kill himself

5) While in France with his mom during the holidays, they made a fight and in the heat of the discussion, her mom said: you are not even the true child of the Shah. You are a bastard.....

Now, if he has killed himself for one of those reasons above, do you think it is RP's duty to come clean and talk about that matter to the public, just to gain their trust and their vote?

If I were him, I'd say: Fuck em those people who don't even respect my privacy. Who needs their vote?

Very valid questions

Moshiri as one of the most courageous Iranian intellectuals is asking very valid questions and voices the concerns and questions of many other Iranians.

His statement that Alireza was prevented from undertaking political action is either based on his own assumptions or some inside information. In the former case, he has just gone too far this time, and in the later case he has aired some information that people has the right to know.

This is unfortunately not a private affair and if the Pahlavi family has any claim on the throne then they must recognise that such matters are not private and the truth needs to be told to the nation in order to prevent conspiracy theories. This is the nation that is still speculating about the Bardia's death. 

شماها بکلی از مرحله پرتید

علیرضا را تختی کشت.

چه عکس برازنده‌ای هم روی میزش گذاشته است! 

Atefeh, show your work.

2. What is your legal basis for demanding access to Pahlavi family private information, even if political in nature? 

3. Explain why Moshiri's speculation about Alireza's public absence is less destitute of a solid foundation than the following totally made up one:

The Pahlavi family begged Alireza to get into public life and use his charisma to gain more support for his brother but he refused saying, I don't want to be involved!

" threat to national security"?

 ".ifsuicide note contains information  thatmay politically damage or weaken the institution of the monarchy inexile, then keeping it a "state" secret is politically reasonable. "

what a dictatorial position!! In fact if the note was political ( even slightly) people need to know about it . Are you repeating Savak's mantra: " threat to national security"? 

 “If Alireza wanted to set up a website--or giveinterviews--his family could not by law prevent him from doing so"

Oh Brother! who  has  ever seen laws and political aspirations  lovy dovy??  You seem too naive! and  unfortunately that pony tail is not helping.   

 It is quite suspicious that nothing was ever publicabout this most educated (or the only educated one) of this dynasty.

I am not stating any conclusion but cannot  silence this nagging thought:  Isolating is killing and after all Iranian history is filed with prati/frati/ homo cide.  

  get a grip, 21st century monarchy needs ( even deserves)  better than what you are offering!

A 

Weak reasoning! Ignores Western culture.

2. If Alireza caved to alleged family pressure in not making himself a public figure, then Mr. Moshiri's speculation about Alireza killing himself out of frustration loses steam . In the West celebrities with a strong desire to participate in the public sphere not only have ready access to the exposure but are assisted by the media (psychologically as well as financially) in doing so. 

This leaves Mr. Moshiri with only one valid criticism: The Pahlavi family is presenting Alireza as a man keenly interested in pubic issues when in fact he was probably average in this regard. I chalk this up to the tradition of over praising deceased loved ones; the custom is observed in every culture. 

Two other points:

1.if suicide note contains infromation that may politically damage or weaken the institution of the monarchy in exile, then keeping it a "state" secret is politically reasonable. 

2. Mr. Moshiri downplays the least speculative piece of evidence explaining the suicide. Alireza verifiably suffered from clinical depression.

Moshiri's questions are perfectly RATIONAL

Moshiri is right. Iranians have a right to know what happened to the  prince.

The announcement on SUICIDE went out few hours after the death and before the coroner's office had issued a statement.

Staging a suicide with a gun is probably the easiest. How do we know for certain that it was a suicide?

At the very least, the SUICIDE NOTE needs to be made public and authenticated.

very good questions, but we will not know the answers

But first, Bahram needs to come clean on how he holds a full dark set of hair in his 60's-70's!  Not a single gray hair.....

No Rosie (NY)

That was his firt girl friend (Shirin?? Azmoudhe) who died some years ago. But his fiancé, Sara Tabatabai, is till alive. I believe she was studying at Arts, at Boston Universtiy (not sure)

The good behavior of the people, warms our heart and make us thankful.....  And the bad ones, just make us to recognize and appreciate the good ones!

Suicide is VERY common side effect of psych drugs

In fact any psychiatric "treatment" directly raises the potential for suicide. This is a proven fact that psychiatrists, with their infinitely wealthy lobby have been able to hide or have ignored by authorities. Most people on psych drugs commit suicide or become violent - school shootings are mostly done by kids on anti-depressants. In all cases the psychiatrist is right there to blame it on "lack of psychiatric care." But in reality it is the psychiatric care that increases the incidence of suicide many times over! I bet you any money Alireza was on some sort of psychiatric "treatment/medication."

Please note that "Depression" is a made up "disease." Scientifically speaking, being sad or extra sad for long periods of time has NEVER been proven to be a disease. It is a made up disease that makes billions of dollars for the big pharma. with absolutely no scientific basis whatsoever. 

It is said Alireza's girlfriend died in scuba diving accident

I read somewhere that Alireza lost his girlfriend (probably his fiance) in scuba diving accident around two years ago.

Jus out of curiosity.....

Why nobody raise the question about his commitment to the fiancé? That long period of engagement, was very mysteriously silent. Even now, after his suicide, nobody talks about the ex, nobody interviews her, nobody asks what she is doing now?

All I have heard was the testimony of a woman (at TV) who seems to be a family friend of Sara Tabatabi. She said, Sara always told her that Alireza and she, were deeply in love, but Alireza always refused the question of marriage. According to her, Alieza never felt to be ready for a marriage and he was saying: I don't want to make children as miserable as myself in exile.

I don't know how much this statement is true, but still I am very curious about that relationship which is still a taboo, nobody wants to talk about that!

The good behavior of the people, warms our heart and make us thankful.....  And the bad ones, just make us to recognize and appreciate the good ones!

Disappointed

I am disappointed in Mr. Moshiri. Why does he keep speculating, that the late Ali Reza Pahlavi was forbidden from doing interviews or having a website. Is this another conspiracy theory?

He seems to find it hard to believe that Shah's second son committed suicide, due to his grief over his sister's death(9 years ago), and his father's, some 29 years ago.

The fact is that these are contributing factors. Anyone who suffers from depression and contemplates suicide needs only a few sources of sorrow, to trigger the gun for him. It could be the loss of a job, yesterday, or loss of a parent, many years ago.

I find his remarks insensitive. Sadly, Mr. Moshiri- whom I usually find resoureceful- went down a notch or two, in my book. 

This guy is out of mind

Contrary to what Dr. Moshiri claims most suicides are not premidated. It is very possible to fall in deep depression over sudden loss of a loved one and become self-isolated. Both Farahnaz (Master degree) and Leila (bachlor degree) graduated from good schools. So Alireza was not the only member of Pahlavi family to graduate from university. 

Only a gullible class of parrots

Would fall victim to the likes of pseudo-Einollah-distortionists like Moshiri, Dr Abbassi who thinks Achamenead were zionists, Al Ahmad who thought Imam was resurrection of Lenin,  The Arab dude who claimes Jews drink Arab blood, Zarghami who thinks moon landing was fake or the dude who thinks that the couple of pigeons over Natanz are US nuclear spies. Issue is not about the cause behind ARP death or what Pahlavis are guilty of or not but the sheer stupidity of the ommatie herd who like parrots repeat what is fed to them just because Akhoond Moshiri uses some obsolete Arabic jafang lingo to sound in the know ,drops a few lines on Erfan and narrates a few verses of Attar and all of a sudden he is a sacred prophet or better yet God almighty himself. There are 2 types of charlatans;, the amateur type who always lies to tell a lie and the kniving type who tell a half truth mixed with a half lie to look legit. This akhoond is the latter type. 

Cheers!!!

nonsensical paranoia .

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia