How do the Baha'is explain this?

Pure Bahai bull!

It is very obvious that there are some rules of membership in any community,

But these specific directives are about people who are not in your community or members, i.e. they have been put out, so your argument falls and demonstrates the criminally liable nature of the directive.

Somebody, who has called himself Wahid Azal, expressed extraordinary joy that this document has been posted, while he forgets the orders of his master, Yahya Azal, to kill those Babis, who were not on his side (like the cousin of the Bab).

Provide the documentation while getting your history right. Which cousin of the Primal Point are you talking about and which Babis? You seem to have Mirza Asad'ullah Kh'ui Dayyan confused with someone else, which in any case your proft Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nari was directly and personally responsible for murdering, as detailed in Tanbih al-Na'imin and elsewhere.

Wahid Azal

Great Response "Reader"

Alborz

Don't overlook this

It is very obvious that there are some rules of membership in any community, whether religious or secular, the violation of which leads to discharging the violator. Any community has its own regularities to protect to unity among the followers, and that is not scary at all. I don’t understand why it should be so scary for the Baha’i Community.

The nature, itself, has provided the same system for our bodies. When a traitor cell starts growing unusually, the immunity system, which is watchful over the whole body, copes with it and stops it from growing and harming the rest. Now, why is it not scary about the natural phenomenon?

We see, for instance, Jesus Christ called the enemies, “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” (Matthew, 23:33). And also we see Judah Iscariot was expelled at the very beginning of the Christian Era from that community.

Then we see the same in Islam. For instance it was ordered by God, “So wrong not yourselves therein, and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together” (9:36). And even God prevents any believer from marrying those among pagans, or infidels (2:221). We see there is a prohibition even to take friends from among Jews and Christians (5:51), even if they are your fathers or brothers (9:23).

Somebody, who has called himself Wahid Azal, expressed extraordinary joy that this document has been posted, while he forgets the orders of his master, Yahya Azal, to kill those Babis, who were not on his side (like the cousin of the Bab).

Now, we see the same regulations in any community or political party for the members who do not observe the rules or try to make conflicts inside the community. I don’t know why it is not so scary for the other institutions, but it is considered so scary about the Baha’i Community. While the others act immediately, the Baha’i Community warns, advises, and if the violating member doesn’t want to conform oneself with the regulations, will be expelled (neither is killed nor is named serpent and viper).

Sounds Familiar?

The document feels as scary if it was written by scientologists.

opinion

This isn't right in any religeon.
I hope this is a fake document.

malijak

I am not going to try to dissuade you paranoid Baha'is anymore that all your detractors and opponents throughout the length and breadth of the internet are so many manifestations of me. Think whatever you like. Yes, Omid and I are of One essence. Yet Omid and I are also physically two completely different people separated by the span of two continents. We agree on this topic and see eye to eye 100%. We disagree on other things, however - like religion and my view that esotericism constitutes a different trajectory of the religious universe. He is one of several people who pleaded I come back here and post. My condition was that if he or the others posted something as a blog (such as the quote from the 2001 Continental Board of Counsellors letter by the uhj), I would weigh my options and consider it. They followed through. True to my Word, so did I! 

Of course, as before, Mr Javid is always welcome to publish the IP addresses of all parties concerned to prove one way or the other. Failing that, all of you meanwhile go see shrinks for clinical paranoia since your accusations, as is typically the case with all Baha'i oriented accusations, has absolutely no substance whatsoever and reveals more about the nature of your own fertile, fear ridden minds. However, with that, one has got to wonder sometimes about Faryarm and Alborz and whether in fact they aren't the same person, hmmmm?

That said, I'll let Omid pursue matters with you himself from here on out since I do not have the time or the inclination to post here as before. Frankly, I'd rather not be here at all so consider my contributions today as a sort of Johnathon Livingston Seagull sort of visit.

Omid jan, over to you, buddy. Give 'em hell!  Any serious trouble, give me a holler, 'aziz!

Ghorbanat, 

Wahid Azal

Thank you,

I don't bother if it's Noor or anybody else. What is important - the material posted. This exposed the negative aspects of Baha'i faith. Thank you guy for posting this.

NUR

I guess everyone was right from the beginning: It Was You, All Through And Through!

People are so used to you, that they can identify you right away: Regardless of what username you use, or whose language and words you try to imitate and mimic!

I guess it's time for you to find a new bag of tricks .. Right? - Very sad, but funny ......

Right on, Omid jan!

Dearest, dearest Omid jan,

Damet khayli garm, agha!  I really must thank you for posting this material and holding your ground under the predictable barrage of malicious assaults of these glaze-eyed cultists. Did I or did I not tell you that this material is all too real and that these Bahaim would completely justify this sort of Stalinism? See what I mean now?

Although I left this site a couple of weeks ago, I'll be here watching your back from here on out in case you need me, brother. Don't let these so-and-sos get to you. 

Ghorbanat o damet garm! 

Wahid

Bahai religionm is harsh...

Bahai religionm is harsh... who said anything about nice???? It is all in their book, just like other religions... descrimination against women, against gays, unfair inheritanace laws, harsh criminal pernalties... you name it. They can't even publish a book about their faith, without group approval. Buh-bye freedom of expression!

Baba maz-hab hamash shero-vereh. 100% chert

I wouldn't expect more from a polygamist man.

Thank you

Thank you for that wonderful demonstration of Baha'i paranoia. That you justify spying on people and dividing the world into your sharp dualistic categories pretty much testifies to a deeply ingrained collective Baha'i paranoia very much a mirror image of the paranoia of the mullahs in Iran.

As for Mr Javid. I assume you are speaking of the webmaster of the site here. I was told that this individual and his site is beholden to the Baha'i Faith agenda. Seeing how every other blog on this site is devoted to Baha'i topics it would not surprise me if this person has no tolerance of any justified critics of the Baha'i Faith or those who submit evidence of its reprehensible practices such as spying.

Omid

Truth seeker , unbelievable??

Unbelievable is the show and tell that your having on this site!!! and specifically on this blog. just have to say that Mr javid  is a patient man, and loving . If it was me, I would have exposed you by now.

I will pray for your health, honestly I do,

Now ,lets see how many characters you can come up with?? to attack me.

Tahirih

I get it

I get it that your group justifies spying on people and neatly divides the world into friends and enemies, the saved and the damned, just like every other fundamentalist religion and especially like the mullahs Islam does. You should perhaps collectively examine your own heads and also stop falsely advertising your religion as some liberal and open minded beacon of light in the darkness out to unite the world and eradicate differences and establish harmony. It would appear that the Baha'i Faith is adding yet another layer of division, disharmony and difference, and justifying it. It is as "evident as the noon day sun."

Omid  

Truthseeker...do you realize how much explaining you have to do?

Don't you get it?  Its all in your head and your head alone.

Now back to to the question I asked you. Thanks for answering it.

As for your fears,  you need to talk to your parents about the reasons. Clearly you are seeking something that you were derprived of earlier in life and they certainly thought you could do without.

The fact that you reading and drawing these conclusions, is more of an indication that you view the world through prism that can in no wise lead you to any other conclusion but the one you were seeded with.

Jebhe Melli is not a spiritual orientation.  But then again I promised that I won't comment on your answer.

Keep looking for things to support your theories, and you will find them.  On the other hand you could learn to educate yourself and then reach a conclusion!  I know that is more work and not in your nature, but still worth a try.

Alborz

Unbelievable

The comments left here by the Baha'is have all confirmed my initial suspicions and fears that the Baha'i Faith is a cult and a close minded fundamentalist religion like all the others, and possibly worse as someone here earlier pointed out.

Sima Bana'i says that I am twisting facts. Can she please point out exactly how and what facts I am twisting? I quoted verbatim from a letter by an official Baha'i body which sounds like some Communist Party directive of 1930s Russia. In this letter Baha'i councillors are being told to spy on those they determine to be trouble-makers by the highest Baha'i body. How is this twisting facts? This is what the letter says. 

Alborz asked about what religion I was raised up in, as if this is remotely relevant to an assessment of the fact that just like the Islamic Republic the Baha'i Faith encourages spying on "trouble makers". But I'll answer. I was raised with no religion. We have Muslims in our family. There are Jews and even Baha'is. The political views of my parents have always remained secular and we even have an uncle who was a long time member of the Iranian National Front, the Jebhe Melli, before the revolution. We are mostly living abroad now due to the fact that several close relatives had warrants issued for their arrest in the 1980s by the Islamic Republic because of their secular political views.

Coming back to the issue. I was not fully aware of the ugly nature of the Baha'i Faith or any of this material until I started privately corresponding with an individual who occassionaly posts on the forums section of an online dating site I frequent. The handle they use over there is the handle I am using here. In a recent correspondence this individual showed the document I have quoted while highlighting the item I put up. So I opened up an account here to discuss this matter with you all initially hoping that this document was either a hoax or something else. I am afraid to say that your rumor mongering, insults and the matter of fact justifications you are giving for such reprehensible practices as instituional spying have completely confirmed and validated everything this person has thus far said to me about  the dark nature of the Baha'i Faith.

Omid

Gossip .. Gossip ..Gossip

In all due respect, Don't You Guys (or Ladies) Have Something Better To Do???!!! Excuse me for saying this, but this place sounds just like a HAMAME' ZANANEH (A Women's Public Bathing Facility) - Wow ...pffff ... I'm getting out!!!!!

I agree with you curly ...

It's obvious that it's NUR ... who else??? As he calls himself, Hazrat Wahid Azal :) :) :)

souri joon i love you too

if you are right and there is a club it does not take much to be a member I mean mental capacity :DD they are verrrrry obvious.keep well darling.

souri joon i love you too

if you are right and there is a club it does not take much to be a member I mean mental capacity :DD they are verrrrry obvious.keep well darling.

Re: masssood

You are just being SILLY :p A Lot Of People leave the first comment in their blogs to clarify things for the readers ;) I have seen it done by Rosie, ebi, Shazde, SCE Campaign, samsam, etc.

Souri and others

In the past, I have left a number of critical comments regarding The Bahai Faith in blogs by people such as Mona 19, and others. Both as a registered user, and as a non-registered user. I have noticed that some of those blogs were deleted by the bloggers themselves. In one occasion, I even wrote a letter to Jahanshah Javid expressing my displeasure at the number of Bahai Blogs that were being featured.

However, I have to say, that this blog by Truthseeker is nothing but a farce. He is trying to twist and turn the facts, in the hopes of deceiving people.

I have no problem debating others regarding the merits, or the negative aspects, of the Bahai Faith. However, not like this. It is clear that he (Truthseeker) is distorting things for his benefit.

As others have indicated, he uses multiple user names. Also, again from what others have said, he uses the language and methodology of others, to demonstrate to people that they are him! I mean, how crazy does this get!!!!!

I sincerely hope that people are smarter than that to fall for such silly things. If he wants to have a legitimate debare on the Bahai Faith, then let's have it. But, for heaven's sake, not like this.

Souri Jan, and curly

I am afraid, our new friend 'Truthseeker', is the reincanation of our old friend 'NUR'. If you see his writing, and compare it to NUR's, it is almost identical.

Do you remember 'Mona Tahiri' a couple of weeks ago; again, the same thing!

He is trying to use other people's formats and language (words) to confuse everyone!

Don't get fooled!! - Honestly :)

"...he that feareth God shall be afraid of no one except Him,."

People have the right to know what you are about,
if that scares you then you got a personal problem.
You need to fear God and the consequences of wicked actions, and motives and liston to your own fear and paranoia and find the cause of this within not without and act with consciounce. I gaurantee you it will take care of your fears.

What you are scared about is the fact that Bahais have a mechanism to stop self serving egotistic individuals with arterial motives who are just there to inflict harm and you see it works very well.
Had an individual such as the deranged NUR been a moslem he would have become another clergy possibly exploiting and oppressing his own followers.
He was recognized, counselled and excused, no harm except loss for him and gain for the whole humanity.
You can walk away with your head on your shoulder even if you lose faith and disagree. What part of that scares you!

Truthseeker - One simple question, one simple answer - OK?

I promise to not draw any conclusions if you answer this question.

To what religion do you belong or were born into?

I reiterate that no comment will be made should you answer this question directly with one word. That's all.

Alborz

Truthseeker

Thank you for revealing how civilized the Bahais religious organization is. Just when I started to have doubts about Bahais, you showed up and cleared those "sacrey" doubts away by posting this wonderful informative blog that only shows good things about Bahais.

Keep up the good work and keep shooting yourself in the foot, it seeems that nobody minds.

Chill out!

When most people and especially people outside Iran accept the Bahai Faith, They are like young trees that must be protected from the egotistic people who since the beginning of the Faith have tried to divide it. At the beginning Bahaullah Himself Assigned The Hands of the Cause to propagate and protect His Faith and it is part of Bahai administration as Alborz explained it to you,All the assigned people have the task of either protectiong or propagation of the faith, eventhough it is a sacred task for each Bahai to do this up to their capacity, but of course not all Bahais have the same capacity to answer confusing questions like the one yourself are trying to make and create confusion. If your purpose is to protect people from being a Bahai, well you are doing what Mullahs and other religious clergy are doing around the world,and if you are trying to confuse fledgling bahais,it's even worse and you have your own name and you know what exactly that is.
Every religeous system has its own mechanisim of protection, I believe with all due respect that Bahai faith has its own which is very effective.There is no apostacy nor is there disimulation in the Bahai Faith.whoever does not find it appealing to its needs can leave without any resentment.
I remember many years ago in Iran The members of certain Muslim fanatical group to be exact Hujjatieh used to come to the Bahai gatherings as TRUTH SEEKERS and after a few sessions they eagerly pretended to register as Bahais, eventhough Bahais Knew what they were up to, then after a few months they would publish some notes in the newspapers denouncing the Faith by recanting and insulting it in order to weaken bahais or confusing and disturbibg otheres in order not to investigate it.
There Have been many tactics used by many to undermine the autenticity and the Truth of the Bahai Faith and I am sure the one U R using is one of them, instead of engaging into a civil dialogue you start by attacking it by posting a taunting photograph and defying Bahais.

Curly

:P)

Just a smile! I love you girl!!

I believe mostly that there IS a club. Not so many members however!

But they work together and give hands to each other. LOL.

truthseeker!!!???

I am not interested in the topic  i just like to find you:DD

you are using the same words " Rumor mongering" " hate mongering" " my hat goes off to you" " Dear so and so  then attacking them".it just is familiar and used by many registered users is there a club or your all one?

truthseeker

this blog looks familiar! it reminds me of a certain series of blogs that the blogger leaves the first comment. coincidence? may be?

Old Foe, 8 hour old New

Old Foe, 8 hour old New Enemy !