Quiz

Iran

خودش به من گفت .چی گفت؟
در گوش من گفت.چی کفت؟
تو زیر زمین گفت.چی گفت؟
کاری که ملا می کنه با قل هوالله می کنه.
never mind a dictator is a dictator.
Shah was also a wrong doer and unrealistic.
this country always is rulled by who?...
Those who have the money and have a ability of
doing the job clean:yani chi?
yani ke ham dardesh miyad ham khoshesh miyad.
It not only hurts but also enjoys it well.
You outside Iran are enjoying yourself and
we here suffer too much.
baba to dige ki hasti.

Re Abbas Mirza

Dear Rosie, there are intangibles that can not be measured in physical terms which are what sets someone like Abbas Miraza apart from other statesmen. The significance of Abbas Mirza's actions should be considered in the context of his era. At a time when Iran was practically a failed state with ineffective leadership and no oil revenue, tribal insurgencies around the country and foreign powers exerting their influence (directly or trough proxy) in advancing their interests throughout the region, he sparked as a beacon of hope and promise. He stands out in our history for his maximum efforts while minimal resources at hand.

In early ninteenth century, when Persia had previously suffered defeats at the hands of technologically superior Ottomans, He managed to defeat them and establish our western border as it stands now. In fact, in his second attempt, he pushed Russians back to beyond caucasian territories and if it weren't for betryal of the royal court in cutting the finances he had requested he would have succeeded. Nevertheless, in spite of the pressure from the British and his father's henchmen (who declared him a rebel) to retreat, he chose to fight on to the very end.

Valor is not the only attribute distinguishing Abbas Mirza from the leaders of his era, his open mind and democratic tendencies in forming a Divan (an assembly) for people to consult him and and the government ministers about their problems (almost a century prior to the formation of the modern parliament, Majles-e Shora) is no less significant from his acts of bravery in the battle-fronts!

The reason our people are passionate about their noble sons such as Dr. Mossadegh is not in a religious manor but rather as manifestation of thier ambitions for freedom and INDEPENDANT from foriegn influence. I do not expect you to understand this since you consider dictatorship as a ntural course of events in developing countries and modernization process for "Brown people." But Mossadgh's era coul've been an example contrary to your prescriptions, substantiating our nation's entitlement to freedom and democracy had the CIA and big oil interests not brought it to an abrupt end!

Karim

I am most honored by your attentions but unfortunately I am wedded to the Church, and to Our Lord, Jesus Christ, Our Saviour. Besides which I am perimenopausal which you would not find attractive, preferring as you do (so unusual for an Iranian man). And finally you would find my fashion sense objectionable--my habit looks too much like hijab.

But I shall pray for you, brother in Christ. Go forth and be fruitful,
Sister Mary Rosie

To Jenab Sarhang

Jenab Sarhang,

As a fellow cab driver, I would like to ask you a question.
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What kind of deodorant do you use in your taxicab?
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Golab-e-Ghamsar or Chrisitan Dior of Paris?
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I find golab to have more longevity.

Rosie are you shy?

Rosie darling my offer of private tution under the bedsheets is still open. Jump on it while it is hard honey.

Thanks, Yo/Shim

Yo, I did read Kinzer's book but I didn't recognize Shaban Bimokh. I will look at it again. Everyone has their own version of history, you and I have been through this before. But given the current political situation, I can't see how they could have fun with their versions.
Shim, please read through my post on this thread on Ajam/Abbas Mirza to understand why I want to listen to the Colonel. I agree though, moderates are sadly lacking, at least here.
Best regards,
Rosie

Rosie joon

Don't worry darling if you don't know anything about Shaban khan. Come slip under the sheets with me and I will give you a taste of what Shaban khan used to do.
If you don't know who Karim Keerkoloft is, look under the bed sheets and you won't miss it. AAkh joon I am getting hard already :)

Rosie

Rosie, I don’t k now how sincere you are over this whole thing
But if you want to shed more light on this and don’t know about Shabban e jafari (known as Shaboon Bimokh) the book "All The Shah's Men by: Stephen Kinzer will give you a summery of past 50 years.(search the net Amazon.com has it)
Most of these people here are well familiar with the historical facts, but want to have their version. And that’s why everyone is having fun with it.

Ajam/Abbas Mirza

Please forgive for my ignorance. I know little about Abbas Mirza and nothing at all about Shaban Bimokh. But I promise you that I know more about Iran, ancient and modern, than any American I know who is related neither professionally nor by family (blood or marriage) to anything or anyone Iranian. And I have learned it all in a short time, on my own. I cannot tell you here exactly why I undertook to learn it; I can only say it has been a labor of love. There are things I am trying to understand, and the more I know, the less I know. But since that is the nature of knowledge, I am going to continue to try.
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I find the following summation at the end of Wikipedia's article on Abbas Mirza:

"He is most remembered for his valor in battle and his failed attempts to modernize the Persian army. He was not successful in part due to the lack of government centralization in Iran during the era. Furthermore, it was Abbas Mirza who first dispatched Iranian students to Europe for a western education"

And I cannot fail to notice that on all three counts, the Pahlavis completed this brave man's vision: to modernize the army, centralize the government and educate the students in a modern way.
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I am not a Monarchist. I am a secular American Jew. I see myself as a "soft leftist", somewhere in between a Carter and a Chomsky. Perhaps it is because of the untold suffering my people endured and then, traumatized, began to inflict on others in Israel, that I do not see the world in terms of oppressors and oppressed, but in terms of one common struggle only.

I am also not an Islamicist. But I do believe in the interpretation of Jihad as the struggle of the human heart over itself. And I believe that those South Africans, black and white, who sat together to face their past in Truth and Reconciliation Committees, were the real Mujaheddin. And I wish these Mujaheddin to come to Palestine/Israel, and to Rwanda, Sudan, Iraq and America, and of course to Iran.

Is it possible that you and the Colonel have more in common than you know, and that the only thing missing is Truth and Reconciliation? Or am I simply delusional? Perhaps the Colonel is so hard-headed simply because his heart is broken. Perhaps I should ask Abbas Mirza.
Rosie

Re Sha'ban Bimokh (Tajbakhsh)

Savak, like any other spy agency, had smear campaigns and diversion methods to spin the truth into lie and vice versa. You, Mr. Sarhang Sooti, are fooling no one! If Sa'ban Bimokh had any association with Dr. Mossadgh, then why did he stab Dr. Fatemi (MOssadegh's foreign minister)? You probably have a spin for that too (e.g. it was their own plot...). And after all, why did Shah give Sha'ban Bimokh the title of "Tajbakhsh" (restorer of the crown) and invited him to his birthday bashes every year? What could an illiterate thug have done to restore Shah's throne? I guess a throne whose restorer was a knife-wielding thug was doomed to end up down the drain!

To colonel Hemaghat (H.I.M's pimp)

You, who must've been Shah's pimp (since you claim to know shah's taste in women), have no leg to stand on! With a filthy, gutter mouth like that, who gave you the right to rewrite history? So what that Dr Mossadegh was from Ghajar family? Is it guilty-by-association condemnation?! Abbas Mirza was a Ghajar prince, and yet the entire Pahlavi dynasty has done nothing compared to what he did for Iran (giving his life in defending our soveriegnty).

Dr. Mossadegh was a nobel man who was given a mandate by the people in a free vote. He successfully led our nation in a bold movement to nationalize our oil while Shah, Ashraf and Shapour Gholamreza treated the oil revenue as their heirloom! He defended our national interest against one of the biggest colonial powers of the time (i.e. Britain) in the Hague court and won the hearts and minds of the participating nations, while Shah ordered "those who want not to be a member of my Rastakhiz party should leave Iran" as if Iran was his private property.

Dr. Mossadegh is the champion of our nation's struggle for indepencance, freedom and democracy while Shah at best would be looked at with pitty. Just look and see whose picture our students, teachers, workers...hold up in demonstration. Yes, that's right...that of Dr. Mossadedgh, and if you want Shah's picture look in the dus-bin of history!

Saam-aleikom!

Yes it's me again, you very own Karim. Is there any koss or even a koon around here to be fucked? There are a few juicy names I see. Who is this Rosie? 48? Hmm..... A little over the limit for me but being a little desparate I may give it a go. So all those idle kossokoons - give Karim a call. I am hard and ready.
Nokare hamatoon Karim.

huh?

How do you plan to fuck a corpse?

fuck shah

fuck shah

no moderates

"colonel" is part of the problem and not the solution. King/Ayatollah worship is bad. worshipping a leader is unhelpful to bringing about change and progress. I dont think the shah was a shame - he was just a politician - it's the worshippers like colonel, who still worship and praise him and his kids, (even know his sex habits), despite living in the USA democracy. Haven't you learned anything? is the question that comes to mind?

Iranians are not a bunch of lambs. Inshallah ayatollah will be removed from power, but Iranians cannot depend on rahbars or kings. Just let them have a nice 60-80 years life of simple prosperity without having to look up to divine or ultra-chic/bejewled kings and clerics - is that asking too much for such an oil rich country? or maybe iran is just desinted to always have dictators because of the cruelty and threats of iranian politics che shahi che eslami.

Aah!

Mifahmam!

Blondes

H.I.M. had a thing for blondes.

Wow...

...too bad for him! I think Yvonne was hotter than Grace.
Rosie

Yvonne De Carlo

BTW, Rosie:

H.I.M. never boned Yvonne De Carlo, but he did have a fling with Grace Kelly, and an Austrian actress who is still around but I can't remember her name, FOAD can you call home and ask around about that please?

Vive Le Roi and Rosie Khanoum ;0)

I like this Rosie, and you come across as a person with a great sense of humor. Bravo ! Kudos ! VIVE ROSIE !

Below some interesting links I think for anyone interested in history.

 Video Footage of the Pahlavi Coronation October 26th,1967 narrated for the BBC:

//video.aol.com/video-detail/coronation-of-pahlavi-in-oktober-1967-in-tehran-iran/4045285778

US President John F Kennedy and First Lady Jackie Greet Iran’s Royal Couple in Washington 1962 (youtube):

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1a5TAepYXs

An excellent pictorial

History of the Coronation and Persepolis Festivities created by Portuguese fan.

//www.angelfire.com/empire/imperialiran/

Crown Jewels of Iran website:

//www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1406/jewel/imperialjewels.html

And VIVE DEBORAH KERR and The KING OF SIAM (Private Joke)

Old Fart

Dear Yo, Please examine your well-intentioned remarks:

"Don't worry about this Colonel...he must be in his eighties." What do you mean don't worry? I assume you don't mean don't worry about his health because since he's old I should worry about it. So I guess you mean he should be ignored because of his age. In politically correct USA, this is called ageism. In traditional China, this is called foolishness. Perhaps I am Chinese.

"And has his own version of history".

So do we all my dear, so do we all. I am 48. This much I have learned.

" I deal with his friends at their annual meetings Bunch of twisted minded old farts....What surprises me with this one is his vulgarity; most of them are decent people."

If they are decent polite people, why do you refer to them as farts? A fart is a malodorous emission preceding defacation; i.e. gaseous SHIT.

I am not surprised at his vulgarity at all. It seems to me it's tit for tat. Just that his much more honest.

Why does the Shah era cause so many "progressive" Iranians embarrassment? Everyone knows that dictatorship was the means by which the political apparatus was centralized to for these countries to catch up with industrialization, lacking as they were in such sacred secular democratic institutions as free elections and the RIghts of Man, which exploited and killed millions of brown people and led to two world wars. These 20th century third world dictatorships are nothing to be ASHAMED of, they are just a fact of modern history. (Unfortunately the same cannot be said of the Fascism of fabulous Europe and the Colonel is right, the Shah was Gandhi in comparison to his "Western" "counterparts").

Until/unless someone can prove otherwise, I am going to assume that the Colonel is exactly who he says he is and it wouldn't change a thing if he drove a cab or shoveled horse manure for a living. "This one" as you call him, as though you were squeezing tomatoes in a supermarker, doesn't just have his own VERSION of history, he participated in its making.

As for his foul toilet bowl mouth, I don't like it either but I find it less offensive than those whose language is just as hurtful but more devious because cloaked in niceties. I greatly admire Mossadegh but am relieved to have someone piss on him at last. Because he has become the Thirteenth Imam, and well, you know, nothing is sacred. So jeesh away, Colonel. Jeesh away.

And by the way, Colonel-joon. I'm not as much a hypocrite as you think. And just to prove it to you, you can kiss my stinking Jew koss koon, you motherfucking scumbag old fart prick. Okay? ;D

Enough toilet bowl mouth for now. Thanks for your conhsidered reply to my questions, Colonel. I'll get back to you on your answers later.
Cheers,
Rosie

so foul mouthed!

Wow, corporal Hemayat....you have such a filthy mouth! I've never met a persian man in his seventies that used such improper language. I don't buy your story for one second. you're disgusting!

That is right

His people, who still love and worship him, have a real election and see who people would chosse. motherfucker!!

and we have no reason to apologize, and ofcourse Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi "Ghoh" nemokhorad, he would give it all to you and your family to eat.

I am in my late Seventies, alive and kicking motherfuckers, running  a successful business becuase I was trained to survive, and I will live to see the day monorchy is back in Iran, you can bet your mother's cunt on it.

Gorohban Hemayat

Don’t worry about this so-called colonel if he really is one, he must be on his eighties
And has his own version of history. I deal with his friends at their annual meetings Bunch of twisted minded old farts. They can’t let it go. In that age may be there is no other choice. What surprises me with this one is his vulgarity; most of them are decent people.

at least JFK was elected

you're comparing shah to JFK? At least JFK was an elected president, not a dictator. The shah didn't have the balls to walk away after he knew people hated him - 2 assasination attempts and a revolution later you guys still say "his people". move on! shah toopeed. reza pahlavi hich goh nemikhoreh. get over this royal fantasy and evolve a little bit. you monarchists make us look so politically frustrated with your shah apologist attitude.

Regarding Shaboon Be Mokh

Shahban Jafari was a secret member of Mosadaq' city police

بدنبال واقعــهء 14 آذر 1330 و مضروب و مجروح شدن بسیاری توسّط عوامل شعبان جعفری و حملــهء آنان به روزنامه های مخالفِ مصدّق، در جلســهء یکشنبه 17 آذرماهِ مجلس شورای ملّی، تعدادی از نمایندگان، دولت مصدّق را مورد انتقادات شدید قرار دادند و جمال امامی، نامــهء استخدام شعبان جعفری در ادارهء شهربانی را برای نمایندگان مجلس قرائت کرد که بر اساس آن، شعبان جعفری «با ماهی سه هزار ریال حقوق از اعتبار محرمانه»، در خدمت شهربانی دولت دکتر مصدّق بوده و در ضرب و شتم مخالفان مصدّق، نقشی فعّال داشته است

He was also respected by Dr.Fatemi and other National Front Party members!!

بـاختـر امـروز (دکتر حسين فاطمی): شمارهء 914 ، شنبـه 29 شهـريـور 1331

« از ساعت هفت تا ده بعد از ظهر چهارشنبه، جشن آبرومندی در ورزشگاه شعبان جعفری (خیابان شاهپور، مقابل کوچــهء کربلائی عباسعلی، جنب سینما جهان) بر پا بود که بیش از چهل نفر از نمایندگان مجلس شورای ملّی و عدهء زیادی از رجال و محترمین و روزنامه نگاران در این جلسه حضور داشتند.

کاشانی زاده به نمایندگی از آیت الله کاشانی در این مراسم حضور داشت. سپهبد جهانبانی و صدری - رئیس تربیت بدنی- و مدیران باشگاه های ورزشی پایتخت نیز حضور داشتند. ضمن سخنرانی، از دکتر مصدّق و آیت الله کاشانی از طرف ورزشکاران و حُضّار، تجلیل خاصی بعمل آمد و کودک 7 ساله ای سخنرانی کوتاهی ایراد و او نیز با فریادِ «زنده باد مصدّق» به سخنرانی خود خاتمه داد. سپس مراسم ورزشیِ بی سابقه شروع شد و بعد، مهندس حسیبی سخنرانی مُهیّجی دربارهء ورزش و تندرستی و تشویق ورزشکاران بعمل آورد و مقارن ساعت 10، این جشن ورزشی که در نوع خود جالب توجّه بود، پایان یافت و نمایندگان جبهــهء ملّی –  بخصوص دکتر شایگان، حائری زاده، مُشار، دکتر مُعظّمی و مهندس حسیبی- از این پیشرفتِ باشگاه شعبان جعفری، اظهار قدردانی نموده و امیدوار بودند که بزودی، باشگاه آبرومندی به کمک ورزش دوستان تشکیل که خدمات ورزشیِ این باشگاه توسعه یابد.»

And here is a copy of the newspaper.

//www.mirfetros.com/images/shabanJafari.jpg

I piss on Mosadaq and Fatimi Graves!!

To Rosie.T:

Reza Shah was NEVER installed , declassified documents show that the British had nothing to do with Reza Shah coming to power. Keep in mind that they DID NOT oppose either, Generally speaking, Reza Shah had the backing of Brits yes, that is all.

Élites, such as Nafisi , Foroughi, Iraj Mirza, etc supported him. At the time, Iran was falling apart and she needed an Iron Man to put shit together and Reza Shah was that man and he did that.

Reza Shah was a victim of circumstances not miscalculations, Allies would have occupied Iran any way , it was the bridge they needed to defeat the Nazis.

The Young Shah came to power and took responsibility at the tender age of 21 , because his people wanted him, the Iranian Parliament wanted him and again the Élites wanted him.

He did his best for his country and his people no doubt, he made mistakes , he was not weak but perhaps he was not a man of crises either , alas he became sick and tired and had no good men around him in 1979.

He was not a tyrant but a benevolent dictator. I know secrets that you don’t, in 1979, four of his army commanders had made a plan to save the country , code name “Rooz Nejat”. A brutal killing of 10,000-15,000 of Islamic and Marxist thugs on the street was to be followed by a war with Iraq which would have nipped the revolution in the butt.

Shahansha sent a telegraph from Morocco to Tehran, NOT authorizing either part of the plan. He loved his people and his country, he did not want his throne to be established   on the blood of his people and ruins of Iran. Mullahs did that and established themselves. The telegraph is still in the safe boxes of IRI’s intelligence ministry.

As for that cock sucker bald piece of shit Mosadaq , he could have been like a father to the young Shah just as Foroughi was. The young Shah wanted to take part and take responsibilities but that old goat who was of Qajar dynasty hated the Pahlavi dynasty  so much he denied the  Shah everything.

As for me, I loved Shah, to me , he was my Father, my commander , my king. I truly believe he loved Iran and his people, and I truly believe he and his father were the best thing happen to Iran in the last 1400 years. I truly believe   the revolution of 1979 was a disaster and a tragic event for Iran and Iranians.

I have to repeat myself, We monarchists condemn ANY military action against Iran, Just as Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi stated “ We don’t need or want  American General to liberate us”, we have no military alliance with Neocons, but we do have an alliance with them. Commen ground is “NO IRI, NO IRI, NO IRI”.

I hope Iran will have a monarchist regime as it is suitable to our history and our country , different ethnic groups will be united , strength through unity, unity through monarchy. Crown Prince Reza is the only proper alternative to IRI, he is the most democratic leader among the opposition and he is deeply loved by the people of Iran and  true love for Iran and Iranians is in his DNA!!

And Rosie you are  such as hypocrite , you claim to be lefti, liberal, pro-clinton , etc yet you label Shah a “Play boy” !!! Shah was no more play boy than JFK or any other handsome, powerful man back then or even now for that matter.

My caption!

Een ghaza ro khar nemikhoreh!

they are all the same bullsh*t

Are you kidding? He may have been "better", but so what? Iran was never free! There weren't political parties. Why are Iranians so willing to settle for nostalgic crap? It's like regretting a second bad marriage because the first was "better". Iran must be 100% free - no kings, no dictators.

Turn the pages and learn from the past rather than indulging yourselves in it. This mofo the shah killed people, had them jailed, followed and yes, tortured. He was an ayatollah without a turban. He wasn't as ballsy, but that's not the point! He was no better. Bad = bad. You can't say less bad=good in this case either.

Caption

Farah:, Lets go and leave these people to themselves, they don't deserve us. They need a Molla to rull them, and find out what they had and did not care for it.