Beheshti on constitution

1979 interview

01-Jan-2008
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The Snake Who Got Killed By Rafsanjansnake

by ShamshirH (not verified) on

If I remember correctly the tie-wearing interviewer was a member of Mojahedine-Khalgh and he later escaped or executed. Also the girl who was hosting childrens programs during 1978-79 was a Mojahed and disappeared later.
As it's common with all Mollahs, Beheshti talked and talked without a whole lot of "Mohtavaa."
His whole interview can be summarized into 3 lines:
The constitution cannot take form until first a house of Khobregan(wise-Mollahs)takes form & without us all other representative are incapable.


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glad he is dead

by MRX (not verified) on

smart, corrupt, degenerate he was. he was a competeitor of rafsenjani and the end rafsenjani eliminated him through a group that he had nice affilcation with grouhe forghan.

when nazieh became oil ministerafter after the islamo facist coup of 1979, this clown and rafsenjani asked nazieh to allocate five dollars per every barrel of Iranian oil sold to rafesanjani and beheshti so they can spend it on people!!!! ya right. Nazieh who was an honorbale person and a natonalist said no, and soon he got booted out. the rest is history....


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To Naazokbin

by Amir Sanizad (not verified) on

Dear Naazokbin:

Regarding yoru question about Bassij, until the end of war (1988) Bassij had almost no role in internal security or arrests and such. The term Bassiji back then was primarily used for those who volunteered to go to war fronts, and it was a noble and proud title back then. Most bassijis of 80s were those who shed their blood to defend Iran against Saddam.

After war, for a couple of years the role of bassij was quite unclear and diminished. In 90s the organization was regrouped by the hardliners and got involved in street patrolling and attacking the demonstrations and such. From that point on, Bassij has become the symbol of oppression, fanaticism and darkness.


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Who is the guy interviewing??????

by Anonymous2222222222 (not verified) on

Can some one tell me his name? Is he dead or alive?


mash

Ey Baba.....

by mash on

To Dahane Har Chi Mollah. Dahane Hamashoon. In Cherto pert Digeh Chieh.


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Who Killed Ayatollah Beheshti?

by Mammad (not verified) on

Dear Naazokbin:

I thought you were interested in a good discussion. Obviously not. After calling my original comment a "fine analysis," you finally resorted to what most of us Iranians do: Slogans and repeating the repeated. You seem interested in arguing for the sake of arguing. If you wanted me to reach your a- priori-decided conclusion, you should have told me so, so that I would not have spent my time writing back.

I was only referring to the fact that Basij could not have been involved in killing Besheshti, and you gave me the standard slogans about how bad they are. I said nothing about what they have or have not done over the past many years. What does what you said have anything to do with what I was saying? Nothing. Unlike you, I did not lose my focus.

I was only referring to Paasdaaraan
not being involved at that time, due to Iran/Iraq war, in such assassinations, especially of those in the top leadership of the IRI, and you gave me the standard litany of their crimes. What does what you said have anything to do with what I said? Nothing. Focus on the narrow discussion that we had about who might have killed Beheshti, and nothing else. We can argue, if there is any argument, about what Basij and Paasdaaraan have or have not done another time.

You can think of Paasdaaraan and the Iran/Iraq war any way you wish, and your opinion is respected. But, the first two years of Iran/Iraq war was patriotic, and Paasdaaraan did most of the fighting to expel the Iraqi forces from Iran. Just because we want to rewrite history does not remake history the way we want it to be.

That is it. No more reply. Good luck to you.


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Who Killed Ayataollah Beheshti?

by Naazokbin (not verified) on

Mammad,

You wrote:

"Basij, as we know it today, did not exist in 1360. The order for its establishment had been issued by Ayatollah Khomeini in early 1359 after the take over of the US Embassy (an order that, by the way, was praised by Mojahedin at that time, who were still referring to Ayatollah Khomeini as "pedar"), but Basij was in its infancy."

What else is new? And what does infancy mean? Isn't that a fancy term to whitewash the crimes committed by the Basijis?

Did Basij exist or not? Cannot the same things be said about almost any organization and its members?

You wrote:

"Paasdaaraan were totally preoccupied with defending Iran at that time. Remember that the Iran/Iraq war had started a year earlier, and major parts of Iran were still occupied by Iraq at that time. Only after Mojahedin started their assassination of the top leaders, Paasdaaraan got involved. Plus, at that time, Mojahedin still had many sympathizers within Paasdaaran, who were purged later on."

I don't understand what you are refering to, but it's not that important. I can tell you some first- hand stories about how UN-preoccupied they were with the war and how the organization had been turned into an apparatus of suppression for the regime. but that can wait.
Had it not been for the Iranian military forces and Sadam's mistakes Khuzistan would have fallen in the first few weeks. Ahvaz airport was hit on the first day of airraids and was unusable. Iraqi forces were within 15 kilometers of Ahvaz. They stopped their march towards Ahvaz only because Sadam's generals could not believe they could reach Ahvaz so easily and thought they were being entrapped.
Paasdaaraan did not have sufficient tarining to engage in traditional warfare and could not have stopped the Iraqi forces. They were only trained to deal with domestic uprisings or guerrila warfare. In the deserts of Khuzistan guerrila warfare was not possible. Read Mohsen Sazegara's account of how Sepah was established and for what purpose. He was one of the founders, I hear.

You wrote:

"Mojahedin, despite all of their leadership's claim to being a democratic organization, were being (and still are) run by the iron fist of Rajavi/Khiyabani (Khiyabani was killed in Winter 1360 in Tehran). They themselves called their Stalinist rule "democratic centralism," meaning everybody had to obey them. It is totally inconceivable for such an organization, especially under the harsh conditions of those times, to claim responsibility for something, and then take it back, i.e., make such a huge mistake, especially since, as Naazokbin said, when they proudly take responsibility for things that they have not even done, such as assassination of Evin's butcher, Asadollah Lajevardi. That goes to show, in my opinion, that the first claim was correct, and the second was due to some circumstances, about which one can only speculate, as I did."

What has the undemocratic nature of the Mujahedin organization have to do with my original statements.
Did I ever state or even imply that Mujahedin ran a democratic organization? Also I never said, Mujahedin took responsibility for the acts they had not committed.

You wrote:

"By the way, contrary to what Naazokbin says, it is not true that AT THAT TIME people were afraid. Remember that a war was going on, especially at that stage which was still a patriotic war, as parts of Iran were still occupied by Iraq and, therefore, people were totally against such acts at a time of war, like any other nation, such as the US after the 9/11/01 events."

Sorry to disappoint you Mammad, it was nothing like a patriotic war. It seems you weren't even in Iran. The Iranian military had been trained to defend Iran and they did a patriotic job. Many people in Iran, especially, those living in border cities hated the mullahs as much they hated Saddam. Some Khuzistanis used to say: "Down with our own Saddam Yazids!" Because they knew had not the mullahs taken over Iran, there would be no such war.

People were not stupid. They were rendered helpless by constant crackdowns and masacres. The Torkemans, the Baluchis, the Kurds and the Khuzistani Arabs felt no attachment to the mullahs, otherwise there would be no reason for crackdowns. Like the Pakistani kids you described in another piece, it was easy to buy some and terrorize the rest. People, in general, don't know how to defend themselves against the tyranny of the security forces which are supposed to protect them.

The so-called moderates on whom you seem to be pinning your hopes had the country under their control for sixteen long years and did nothing to help create an open society where democratic institutions and NGOs you talked about in another piece, could flourish.

Yes, in the beginning the mullahs used the shallow anti-Arab sentiments of many unsuspecting Iranians, but that only lasted a short while and people found out the mullahs had other plans for them.

You wrote:

"I cannot claim to know for sure that Mojahedin killed Beheshti, but all evidence points to them. Without meaning to brag about it, I know much about Mojahedin."

Then refrain from saying it.
I hope I am not insulting you by saying you sound more like Hoder when he claimed he knew the Iranian philosopher Jahanbegloo and said something outrageous about him after Jahanbegloo's release from the IRI prison.

You know why they have strict laws against slanders and false accusations in democratic societies? It is the only way to stop people from saying whatever they please.

This perfunctory business of pointing the finger in the direction of the "usual suspects" has become a precarious affair, you know!

You wrote:

"I also do not buy conspiracy theories, such as a plan by Rafsanjani, or that he knew and that is why he left a few minutes before the explosion. The clerics were under huge pressure at that time, both internally and externally, and at such times they close ranks, as the experience of the past 29 years indicates."

Not anymore. Because their common enemy, that is the people of Iran, is becoming increasingly aware of mullahs' machinations. They've had enough of the mullahs and they are desperate to get rid of them. That's why many of the mullahs are changing sides/colors.

P.S.
I used to enjoy seeing Darius Kadivar's photo with his trademark smile. Not anymore! It looks more like a grin, now!


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I know who did it

by x-pasdar (not verified) on

I know it because I was involved with the investigation of the suspects. Rafanjani had a direct hand in killing all the main rivals including Beheshti and Motahari. Mojahedin wanted to take the credit for thesmselves but later realized that it would not suit their image so they dropped the claim. But they were inncent of kiling Beheshti

By the way: Zende baad Khatami


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to Shah of Iran

by Head of Savak (not verified) on

Shahanshaha – you are in the hell because everybody including me were fooling you, and taking advantage of your stupidity. Now sit down and do some calculation, if you need help any help, Dr. Beheshti is there. Let him help you!


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He was killed by Ferghan or Forghan group not MKO!

by Sheila B (not verified) on

They were a group on a killing spree at the time. They were alive for a short time--and soon captured and subsequently all executed. But don't know of their validity. It could've been a clean up job by the hardliners.


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to Questioner

by Response (not verified) on

Shoma ham khylie hall dari, va feker mikoni ma ham khylie bikarim.
So what will you do with the survey?


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Head of Savak

by Shah of Iran (not verified) on

Who gave you the Final Authority. Don't you forget that I was the Shah.
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I am writing this Comment from "Heaven". Savak agent# 2 is absolutely Correct.
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By the way, Your Mother (Head of Savak) WAS my Whore :):) Don't forget that either !!!


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to Savak agent# 2

by Head of Savak (not verified) on

Hey kido (Savak agent# 2 ), this is the head of savak and my word is final.

I agree with Savak agent, He is absolutely right, although he forgot to mention that your mom was also a Sigheh for Beheshti. :)

All of you, enjoy the New Year. Ha ha ha ha ha


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Survey for the new year

by Questioner (not verified) on

Please fill out the following imaginary survey:

Iran is to be run under a two-system state starting on March 21, 2008:

(1) Province of Qom inherits all the laws of IRI and is run under shariah law by the current IRI leaders and representatives to begin with, and then elect their leaders based on the IRI laws that they inherited. Qom acts like Vatican within the country of Italy.

(2) Province of Iranzamin is the rest of the country and is run under laws of 1979, to begin with, with the following modifications:
(2a) It is a republic rather than kingdom.
(2b) All leadership positions, from village kadkhoda to president are elected with total freedom to elect anyone the people desire. The only requirement for being a candidate is to have a high-school diploma. You can assume a system similar to Switzerland's for this purpose. A radio and TV station provide free air time for candidates to convey their messages to the people within 3 months of any election.
(2c) There is total freedom of press. Accountability laws will be passed by the majles to enforce truth in the press.
(2d) All citizens are equal in the eyes of all laws of the state, no discrimination based on ethnicity, religion, or gender exists.

Resources of the country (oil income, etc.) are distributed between the two systems proportional to their populations.

Please provide the answer to the following two questions:

(I) Which Province would you like to live in:

(a) Qom
(b) Iranzamin
(c) Neither.

(II) In 10 years, which province will be more prosperous, as measured by a combination of satisfaction of its residents + per capita income + less distance between wealthy and poor.

(A) Qom
(B) Iranzamin
(C) The same.

Thank you. (be polite)


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Who killed Beheshti?

by Mammad (not verified) on

With all due respect to all the commentators, should we not be serious about an important period in Iran's contemporary history? Is it difficult to be polite also? Why are some people willing to use profanity against someone's mother, because that someone said something against Ashraf Pahlavi?

But, in response to Naazokbin's comment:

Basij, as we know it today, did not exist in 1360. The order for its establishment had been issued by Ayatollah Khomeini in early 1359 after the take over of the US Embassy (an order that, by the way, was praised by Mojahedin at that time, who were still referring to Ayatollah Khomeini as "pedar"), but Basij was in its infancy.

Paasdaaraan were totally preoccupied with defending Iran at that time. Remember that the Iran/Iraq war had started a year earlier, and major parts of Iran were still occupied by Iraq at that time. Only after Mojahedin started their assassination of the top leaders, Paasdaaraan got involved. Plus, at that time, Mojahedin still had many sympathizers within Paasdaaran, who were purged later on.

Mojahedin, despite all of their leadership's claim to being a democratic organization, were being (and still are) run by the iron fist of Rajavi/Khiyabani (Khiyabani was killed in Winter 1360 in Tehran). They themselves called their Stalinist rule "democratic centralism," meaning everybody had to obey them. It is totally inconceivable for such an organization, especially under the harsh conditions of those times, to claim responsibility for something, and then take it back, i.e., make such a huge mistake, especially since, as Naazokbin said, when they proudly take responsibility for things that they have not even done, such as assassination of Evin's butcher, Asadollah Lajevardi. That goes to show, in my opinion, that the first claim was correct, and the second was due to some circumstances, about which one can only speculate, as I did.

By the way, contrary to what Naazokbin says, it is not true that AT THAT TIME people were afraid. Remember that a war was going on, especially at that stage which was still a patriotic war, as parts of Iran were still occupied by Iraq and, therefore, people were totally against such acts at a time of war, like any other nation, such as the US after the 9/11/01 events.

I cannot claim to know for sure that Mojahedin killed Beheshti, but all evidence points to them. Without meaning to brag about it, I know much about Mojahedin.

I also do not buy conspiracy theories, such as a plan by Rafsanjani, or that he knew and that is why he left a few minutes before the explosion. The clerics were under huge pressure at that time, both internally and externally, and at such times they close ranks, as the experience of the past 29 years indicates.


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To "Savak agent"

by Savak agent# 2 (not verified) on

My fellow "Agent", you are wrong again. Don't you Remember: We used to use your "Mother" as "Bait" for Beheshti in both Germany and Tehran.
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It was neither Miz Mammad Mojtabazadeh's nor John Carpenter's Mothers. Please "Correct" your documenst :)
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By the way, Happy New Year to you too !!


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John Carpenter & Miz m. Mojtabazadeh

by Savak agent (not verified) on

Both of you are wrong!
On the documents it was your mothers’ name as Beheshti's "Sigheh".

Have a happy new year to both of you, enjoy the memories!


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John Carpenter

by Miz Mammad Mojtabazadeh (not verified) on

Your "Savak" agents I am afraid were wrong. Rosie T. (Robyn Goldsmith) was actually Beheshti's "Sigheh" :) !!


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Ashraf Pahlavi was Beheshti's Temporary Wife

by John Carpenter (not verified) on

Many SAVAK men I have spoken to have said they knew that Ashraf Pahlavi was Beheshti's temporary wife (Seegheh).


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Threre is a governmental

by sadeg nia (not verified) on

Threre is a governmental archives in US that show intelligence report indicating that Beheshtii was killed by Zionists with the help of their Bahaii informants in Iran.


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Ayatollah Beheshti!

by Naazokbin (not verified) on

Mammd,

Not very logical.

Why would a terrorist organization whose aim is to overthrow a regime all of a sudden chnage its words. If they were so concerned with people's reaction to their terroist acts, why would they go to Iraq to fight the regime AND the people? Of course, they claim they did not fight the people and that's their view.

You seem to have forgotten regime's use of the incident to crackdown on all organizations. Members of the Revolutionary Guards and Basijis were breaking into ordinary people's home in search of the usual suspects. They arrested and executed so many innocent young boys and girls only because they were at a wrong place at a wrong time and nothing else!

As if everything had been planned ahead of time.

Most people were more fearful of the regime than angry at the Mujahedin. They were not given a chance to find out what had really happened.

Why such lapses when you seem to know so much about the history of the revolution?


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There is a Moosh Mordeh

by ghormeh sabzi (not verified) on

There is a Moosh Mordeh called Rafsanjani. According to Rumors
he went out few minutes before the explosion, probably for an urgent pissing.

Some people say: Hamash kaare een engelissaast.


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Baboo jaan you are welcome.

by Hassan Kachal (not verified) on

Baboo jaan you are welcome. Happy New Year from
yours

Hassani


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Mammad Agha

by Gholam Hossein Rabani (not verified) on

Every body know that Mujahedeen was behind the "Explosion" and The "Killings". There is Not even a "Debate" about it.


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Who Killed Beheshti?

by Mammad (not verified) on

Dear Naazokbin:

First of all, how do you know that I would not answer your question? I decided to enter such debates simply because I believe we should make available to people as much correct information and objective analysis as possible.

Second, while no one knows for sure who was behind the 7 Teer, 1360 explosion that killed Beheshti and over 100 other people - and I did not say so in my previous comment - evidence indicates strongly that it was carried out by Mojahedin. The fact are,

(1) that the explosion occured right after Mojahedin declared their intention for armed struggle and a week after the huge demonstration and counterdemonstration of 30 Khordad, 1360.

(2) Except for the late Mohammad Reza Sa'adati, who was later executed, the central leadership of Mojahedin (Rajavi, Rabiei, Khiyabani, Zarkesh) wanted to overthrow the regime through assassination of its top leadership.

(3) The fact that Mojahedin first claimed responsibility for it and then denied it only goes to show that the scale of that terrorist attack was horrible even to them, especially since it really provoked people and created a huge wave of support for the regime.

(4) It has been speculated, with some credible evidence, that Kashmiri, who was for sure the terrorist who assassinated Mohammad Javad Bahonar (the Prime Minister) and Mohamad Ali Rajaei (the President), was also involved in that explosion. Kashmiri was a member or a sympathizer of Mojahedin.


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Ayatollah Beheshti!

by Naazokbin (not verified) on

Wow Mammad!

A fine analysis! You seem to be in the know.

Could you tell us which members of the Mujaahedin carried out the bombing? Oh, plus their addresses.

What a joke!

I know you will leave my question unanswered, but:

Why would Mujahedin deny involvement in this particular case when before and after that they proudly took responsibility for other terrorist acts they carried out?


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khar hamoon khareh

by Aibaba (not verified) on

Aibaba, khar hamoon khareh, faghat paloonesh fargh mikoneh. inha to ghoom sigheh mikonand, in toyeh germany blondash ro sigheh mikardeh. hala ye madrak dar elaheeyat ham gereft so what!
akheh motekhases baraye blonda ham ehtiyaj dashtan!


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Has was neither Rasputin nor an angel

by Mammad (not verified) on

Ayatollah Beheshti was neither a Rasputin, as Changiz Khan says, nor was he an angel. He was a relative moderate who had lived in Europe for several years and, therefore, was familiar with good and excellent aspects of Western culture, as well as its weaknesses.

He was well-read. Those who recall his debates on Iranian TV with leftist seculars may also remember how he "man-handled" them through debate and his knowledge. Unlike what one of the commentators says, he was not a junior in the hierarchy of the ayatollahs and hojatoleslams. Mesbah Yazdi, the most reactionary and brutal of all the present ayatollahs and the spiritual advisor to Ahmadinejad, had a big break with him before the revolution. That only goes to show his relative openness to new ideas and interpretations of Islamic teachings.

Whoever or whatever organization killed him and others in the explosion had one thing in mind: Eliminating the relative moderates in the newly-established IRI, so that the most reactionary, the most brutal elements of the regime would rise to power. This tactic had been used in the 1960s by lestists fighters in South America with much effectiveness. When the regime is somehow accepted, which the IRI was at that time, and when one cannot win the elections, which Mojahedin and leftist groups could not, one pushes the regime to get brutal. To do so, one eliminates the relative moderates, the relatively reasonable people in the regime. Then, the reactionary elements ascend to power and start killing the opposition. Then, the opposition says, see these guys are brutal and murderers.

I believe that if Beheshti and people like him had not been killed, the IRI would have been quite different today. It may not have been the way most of us wanted to be - democratic and peaceful -, but not as bad as the reactionary right of today.

The problem with some of us is that, when we look at Iran since the revolution, we tend to look at things in absolute terms: People are either absolutely bad or absolutely good. They are either with us or against us. The real world does not work that way.


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mottaqins....

by maziar58 (not verified) on

I couldn't comment on his foreign languages' fluency But do remember his sun bathing at the park in ULSTER..... WITH MARTINI on the side
check the pic on efshagari by peykar groups.


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To:Hassan Kachal

by Baboo (not verified) on

LOL...
You, my friend, gave me the first and best laugh of 2008. I am going to remember you throughout the year!
LOL...