Anyway

Toofan

I guess what you are speaks so loud people cannot hear what you say.

You criticized IranDokht for a video Party Girl submitted. Then you criticized Party Girl for a caption JJ selected, and finally you call me a moron for something another user posted.

It's no wonder with such a firm grasp on the facts, and elaborate attention to details you are able to draw such outlandish and unrelated inferences from the submitted video.

Insofar as my feelings being hurt, I am not personally vested in the discourse on this site. I make my point, and it is for the readers to draw their own conclusions. How vested I am in my responses to you is apparent from my basic mistakes in grammar and spelling in my replies.

Obviously if I am not even bothering to proofread and spell check my communications addressed to you, I can't be that concerned with what you have to say.

Inasmuch as my pointing out your complete disconnect with logic is an avocation not a vocation, I will not dignify your sophomoric name calling with response in kind.

I have no interest in creating propaganda as you suggest. I simply thought that your original silly and off base comment to Party Girl (since she did not choose the caption) was worthy of clarification (even though your replies following my original post suggest I may have mistaken you for one capable of a mature conversation).

Finally you argue a moot point that he does not directly state that "A hand of God" is the the 12th Imam. Apparently your "logical" assumption is that he talks about a hand of God, and then in a completely unrelated sentence following that reference he starts talking about.

Under your warped reasoning if one is talking about baking cookies, and in the following sentence starts talking about alternatives to sugar in baking recepies, the two sentences are unrelated because he does not mention sugar in the same sentence as cookies. . .so he must be takling about sugar independent of cookies!

Frankly I am taken aback by your seeming inability to think in a linear manner. In full disclosure I make my living making arguments, presenting facts and drawing inferences.

You are constitutionally incapable of making an argument without degenerating the discourse into a prepubesent sandbox name calling session.

A president with such disconnect to reality truly diserves an apologist with such disconnect to civility.

Now. . .back to Wheel of Fortune.

B :)

RE: Anomouysas.. whatever please register

""It is true that on the surface it appears that they have come to
plunder the oil and win over the territory. But you go level behind
this (yes he speak slang) and you see that these people are well
researched. They have become informed that something is supposed to
happen in the region, that A HAND OF GOD IS SUPPOSED TO COME AND TEAR
OUT THE ROOT OF INJUSTICE IN THE WORLD.""

"Immediately following the sentence above he talks about the 12 Imam.
. .the clear inference to "a hand of God" and immediately afterwards
discussing the 12 Imam's attributes establishes that the "hand of God"
in question is the 12th Imam."

Bla bla yeah I hurt your feelings and you need a hug, I got it, BUT..

He discusses the 12th imam after that part, but he does not say that the "Hand of God" is the 12 Imam. THIS IS MY F'ING POINT THAT DOES NOT GO INTO YOUR HEAD. The Hand of God might very well be the "muslims in the region" which he has said numerous times in his speeches, or "The Islamic Revolution" (Which also makes more sense logically speaking). You are still guessing and putting words in his mouth, and based on that, you are wrong, flat out, so clearly, thats why Im calling you a moron, because its called propaganda what you and Party Girl are doing, when taking out 10 seconds of ones speech and placing your own meaning into it making the speech mean something else than its original meaning. Comprende? Understand??

He might have well been speaking about the Islamic Revolution before that first part, ever consider that? Or that maybe when he starts to talk about the 12 Imam he was changing the subject? We dont know, the clip is to short, but based on this clip, the title Party Girl puts on this vid is wrong, its like your trying to argue that the world is flat..

Buh Bye

He clearly talks about Emam

He clearly talks about Emam Zaman, but to mix the usual religious mambo&jumbo in politics is genius. The main purpose perhaps is to divert the attention from failing economy, rising basic commodity prices has sent even the middle class families into poverty. Thank you Mahmoud khan for making people's "sofreh" colourful, he is truely a student of the old goat, quote: "ma na tanha zendgi maadee shoma ra behbod khaeem dad, balke zendegee maanaavee shoma ra ... shoma be maanaveeiat ehteeyaj dareed" and some 3 decades passed, still the same BS ! Mahmoud you need a crash course in management, like managing an economy with high oil prices OR an economy with steady oil income. Come to think of it, actually GWB has done Mahmoud and the Mullahs a great service. Made IRI stronger then ever, high oil prices, what else do you need from an enemy? Otherwise, I am with Kababi, you are so right and straight to the point.

We are doomed!!!

من اول ایرانی هستم.

I don't know about you guys, but what I just heard...I am now sure they are stealing our gas and oils,,, that idiot talks about emem 13 or 14? i don;r care which, and all those zambies sitting there waiting to eat  some   more "zahare Mar" .That is the bottom line, You know what?  Iran is infected with islamic vermints--- maybe Mrs. Clinton didn't say a bad thing after all...to wipe iran? like when you get rid of termites?

NAAH..JUST KIDDING ..I hope they find a bomb that kills Just akhounds,

Mass delusion!

He is suffering from mass delusion!
If he was alone in that delusion he would be in mental hospital. But because lots people share tht with him he is out. He is not alone though. If you believe Messiah is comingfor his first visit or second you are crazy too.

John Hagee, Jerry Falwell and veryon who believes in virgin birth and rest is also delusional. So he is the norm not exception!

Amazing how these guys take things so personal

He seems to be in a defensive mode, fighting back probabaly shadows. Somebody needs to calm him down.

Speaking like this is an Art

I loved this clip

It reminded me so much of when I was a kid and went to “Tekyeh” or “Rozeh”

Whilst every one is getting hung up over which Emam (and its clearly Emam Zamman) Mahmoud is talking about a neat trick is missed.

First, the style in delivery of the speech and ambiguity used in these sermons. Nothing is ever exact and there is lots of hand movement which I have to say is captivating. Its almost “Naghally”.

Secondly and really amusing is his reference to the “Doshman” and how using some spiritual supercomputers they have figured out that something “Godly” is going to happen.
Doesn’t he sound like he is saying, even the Americans who are so smart etc know something godly is going to happen.

I am sure we have heard other Iranians make references to smartness of Kharejiha, especially in Iran, in this manner.

Actually what he is saying is quite worrying because he is insinuating that there is a proxy war against his brand of Shiaism

Imam zaman, imam khomeini, what is the difference?

You are talking about couple of dead people. Who cares, Mehdi, Rohullah, Hassan, Hossien, whatever?

Mahmood is in-love with all of them. He thinks, they are managing the world and Iran.

With 20% infalation and 30% unemployment. Emam Zaman and Emam Khomeini are excellent Managers. They know, what they are doing or what.

Mahmood must be watching the movie "Six Sense". I am seeing "Dead People"..

Allah Akabar, Oil Price is $135 and here are the price of goods in homeland:

Rice 6,000 Toman Per Kg

Meat 14,000 Toman Per Kg

Chicken 8,000 Toman Per Kg.

I think Mahmood is asking people, since Imam Zaman is managing things. You should not eat food, rather draw them on paper and eat the paper. It will be the solution to your problem.

Rice. Meat, Chicken are like Emam Zaman. You don't see them, but believe him, they are there...

LOL! JJ new test is needed!

Dear JJ,

Obviously understanding "Farsi" is an issue
here! :-)

May I suggest you chage the test before commenting from aithmetic to something like:

"Baabaa Aab Daad"!!! :-)

Hope everyone enjoys the weekend.
mb

Why do their work?

Why do Memri & the Zio-con's work for them?

Spreading spurious lies only causes more problems for ordinary people.

Yes Amadinejad is cynical in invoking religion to appeal to his powerbase.

He may be crass, but he is not as big a stupid zealot as Bush.

almo5000

almo5000: if you are going to have a dig at someone, try at the very least to get your facts right!. You may know Farsi, but you clearly fail at comprehension!. About the 40 seconds mark into the clip when Ahmadinejad starts talking about the "Emam", he follows it up (around the 43rd second) by saying, "Dar Dorran-e-Ghaibat". Now what does that say to you?. Which Emam is he talking about now?. Ghaeb and Ghaibat both originate from the same roots ;-)

Toofan&Co and why we are where we are today.

For the love of God, look at the address postings before you go off confusing eveyone, and then calling me a moron. I have not named called anyone... even you. I have only posted as AnimusMoos and signed my posts off with B.

But none of this is relevant to the post and the discourse surrounding the video (if we can call it discourse)

One more time:

"It is true that on the surface it appears that they have come to plunder the oil and win over the territory. But you go level behind this (yes he speak slang) and you see that these people are well researched. They have become informed that something is supposed to happen in the region, that A HAND OF GOD IS SUPPOSED TO COME AND TEAR OUT THE ROOT OF INJUSTICE IN THE WORLD."

Immediately following the sentence above he talks about the 12 Imam. . .the clear inference to "a hand of God" and immediately afterwards discussing the 12 Imam's attributes establishes that the "hand of God" in question is the 12th Imam. Furthermore look at the first sentence above. . .he talks about "a hand of God" emerging as the "layer behind the layer" reason for the occupation of Iraq!!!

Unlike the poster that asked you if you understand Persian/Farsi. I would ask you if you can understand my posts.

Then there is Almoo, who asks JJ if he has forgotten his mother tongue. Almoo states that Ahmadinezhad is speaking of Khomeini, when Ahmadinezhad is clearly stating that during the time of "Ghaybat" the Imam is still managing the affairs of the world (not something Khomeini would be doing).

All of these exchanges clarify for me how we got here in the first place. People do not listen, do not read carefully and interpret what they like to interpret in what they see. Khomeini came to Iran stating that following a long period of exile he had "heech" feelings coming back. People heard that too and said that is not what he meant. It is amazing to me that people can hear something in Farsi/Persian (mother tongue) several times... read the translation in English (another language they have familiarity with), and STILL struggle with the meaning of the man's words!

No wonder he won the election in Iran. . .if all of my fellow hamvatans exercise the same degree of attentiveness during the political process that they have watching this video and posting comments, we stand for a long line of such leaders.

Obviously Toofan, you will continue not to read the name on the posts carefully, not pay attention to the words written, or who is submitting or posting what, and fire back another off-point reply.

Now, Back to Breakfast. . .AGAIN.

B.

And this man rules over 70

And this man rules over 70 million Iranians. What a tragedy! If we were living in the Middle Ages, then this might have been ok. but for God sake, this is the 21st century.

It doesn't matter which Imam he is talking about. He is deranged and should be taken to the insane asylm. We have a lunatic or perhaps a hallucinating schizophrenic running the country. This sounds more like a fiction than reality.

LOL

You've got to give the guy credit, yeh omreh akhounda raftan bala manbar o chertopert goftan, now he's the one who's giving it back to them! and he's saying that with a straight face too I bet a little later he made them all cry...

you're killing me Party Girl! :0)  

IRANdokht

Re: Translation

JJ

Have you forgotten your mother tongue? Shame on you! He is refering to "Emam" which in Iran is  "Imam Khomeini" leader of the revolution in Iran. IF he was refering to 12th Imam, he would be saying, "ghaeb" , or "mahdi", or some such. In that case the crowd would be chanting "sale ala mohamad va ale mohamd", or some such.

to ToofanZeGreat and

to ToofanZeGreat and others,
we undrestand Farsi. Stop translating.

RE: Anommous

My mistake, be it partygirl or iraniandokh or javid or Samad Agha, the title of this clip is wrong.

The hand of God can be so many things, you are guessing he is talking about the 12 Imam, why Ahmadinejad would think like that.. or a better question, why you think he would think like that is beyond my understanding. The guy is a fanatic, but he's not stupid.

The point is: We dont know what he is referring to, the clip is something like a minute long, and the fact that he speaks about the 12 imam afterwards of the first part does not prove anything.. your guessing and putting words in his mouth and making a fool out of yourself

RE: anonymous the meek

Yeah I do you, he does not claim that the US invaded Iraq for the sake of the 12 Imam as posted in your own translation and as its obvious in the clip, the poster under you explains what he might be saying. I answered your argument and you flip back by saying ke man farsi harf nemizanam? You are a moron, and its Toofan, not Toofun. You know thats a regular name in Iran, right?

I know people want to make fun of the clerical regime in Iran, but there is a fine line between hearing what they are saying and arguing against it, than making up stuff and making yourself look even more stupid.

I..

I wish I was dead.

to Toofunzegreat!

Hey bud,

sorry to burst or bubble but you clearly don't understnad Farsi.

Were you born in US or Europe?
I bet you did not live in Iran the first full 15 years of your life. True?

Don't have time to argue with you.
But if there are Native Farsi speakers in a forum pleas sit that one out!

Best wishes...

There is nothing about 12th emam in this speech !

I don't know how someone concluded that Ahmadinejad is talking about the 12th emam. Obviously he is refering to some sort of "awakening" of the masses in the region as the reason for US military action in Iraq. While this has nothing to do with 12th emam, I don't think he is wrong that people of the region are becoming more aware that what the real sources of their despair may be. That is my 2 cents.

Re: Mahmood IQ is about 100

You forgot to list "W"'s IQ:  68

Their Lies and our misery

یکی از رموز موفقیت در نظام "مقدس" جمهوری اسلامی، ریاکاریست، ریاکاری یکی از صفات پسندیده ایست که مکرر یادگیری آن را به همه ی مومنین سفارش کرده اند

Ahmadinejda = Iranian Bush

There are striking similarities between Ahmadinejad and Bush. Both are/ seem stupid. Both say stupid stuff. Both lie. Both are ideologically driven, Both will go down in history as two people who didn't care for their people or their nation's interest!

Mahmood IQ is about 100

According to world records information. Mahmood IQ is 100 which equal to Brintey Spears. George Bush IQ is around 98.

Mahmood and George are in the same IQ level as OJ Simpson

Shirin Ebadi is 188 same level as Sir Issac Newton.

And The rest

Albert Einstein IQ Score 160
Albrecht-von-Haller-IQ Score 190
Alexander-Pope-IQ Score 180
Andrew Jackson-IQ Score 123
Andrew Wiles IQ Score 170
Andy Wharhol IQ Score 86
Anthonis-Van-Dyck-IQ Score 155
Antoine-Arnauld IQ Score 190
Arne Beurling IQ Score 180
Arnold Schwarzenegger IQ Score 135
Baruch Spinoza IQ Score 175
Beethoven IQ Score 165
Ben Franklin IQ Score 160
Benjamin Netanyahu IQ Score 180
Bill Clinton IQ SCORE 137
Bill Gates IQ Score 160
Blaise Pascal IQ Score 195
Bobby Fischer IQ Score 187
Britney Spears IQ Score 100 (estimated)
Carl Linne IQ Score 165
Charles Darwin IQ Score 165
Charles Dickens IQ Score 180
Christopher Langan IQ Score 195
Copernicus IQ Score 160
David Hume IQ Score 180
Dolph Lundgren IQ Score 160
Donald Byrne IQ Score 170
Dr. David Livingstone IQ Score 170
Dwight Eisenhower IQ Score 122
Emanuel Swedenborg IQ Score 205
FDR IQ Score 147
Felix Mendelssohn IQ Score 165
Friedrich Hegel IQ Score 165
Friedrich Schelling IQ Score 190
Galileo IQ Score 185
Garry Kasparov IQ Score 190
Geena Davis IQ Score 140
George Berkeley IQ Score 190
George Eliot IQ Score 160
George Friedrich Handel IQ Score 170
George W. Bush Q Score 98
George Sand IQ Score 150
George H.W. Bush Q Score 125
George Washington IQ Score 118
Gerald Ford IQ Score 121
Gottfried Leibniz IQ Score 205
Hans Christian Andersen IQ Score 145
Harry Truman IQ Score 132
Hillary Clinton IQ Score 140
Honore De Balzac IQ Score 155
Hugo Grotius IQ Score 200
Hypatia IQ Score 170
Immanuel Kant IQ Score 175
Jayne Mansfeld IQ Score 149
James Cook IQ Score 160
James Watt IQ Score 165
James Woods IQ Score 180
Jean Auel IQ Score 140
JFK IQ Score 119
Jimmy Carter IQ Score 156
Jodie Foster IQ Score 132
Johann Sebastian Bach IQ Score 165
Johann Strauss IQ Score 170
Johann Goethe IQ Score 210
Johannes Kepler IQ Score 175
John Adams IQ Score 137
John Locke IQ Score 165
John Quincy Adams IQ Score 175
John Stuart Mill IQ Score 200
John Sununu IQ Score 180
Jola Sigmond IQ Score 161
Jonathan Swift IQ Score 155
Joseph Haydn IQ Score 160
Joseph Lagrange IQ Score 185
Judith Polgar IQ Score 170
Kim Ung Yong IQ Score 200
Lee Harvey Oswald IQ Score 118
Leonardo Da Vinci IQ Score 220
Lord Byron IQ Score 180
Ludwig Wittgenstein IQ Score 190
Lyndon B. Johnson IQ Score 126
Madame De Stael IQ Score 180
Madonna IQ Score 140
Marilyn Vos Savant IQ Score 186
Martin Luther IQ Score 170
Michelangelo IQ Score 180
Miguel Cervantes IQ Score 155
Napoleon IQ Score 145
Neil Peart IQ Score 150
Nicole Kidman IQ Score 132
O.J. Simpson IQ Score 89
Paul Allen IQ Score 160
Philip Emeagwali IQ Score 190
Philipp Melanchthon IQ Score 190
Pierre Laplace IQ Score 190
Plato IQ Score 170
Quentin Tarantino IQ Score 160
Ralph Waldo Emerson IQ Score 155
Raphael IQ Score 170
Reggie Jackson IQ Score 160
Rembrandt IQ Score 155
Rene Descartes IQ Score 185
Richard Nixon IQ Score 143
Richard Wagner IQ Score 170
Robert Byrne IQ Score 170
Ronald Reagan IQ Score 105
Rousseau IQ Score 150
Shakira IQ Score 140
Sharon Stone IQ Score 154
Sigmund Freud IQ Score 156
Sir Issac Newton IQ Score 190
Stephen Hawking IQ Score 160
Thomas Jefferson IQ Score 160
Ulysses S. Grant IQ Score 130
Voltaire IQ Score 190
Mozart IQ Score 165

Toofan

Not only you don't seem to be able to note the obvious, but you aren't reading carefully enough either.

Irandokht has nothing to do with this. . .Partygirl submitted the video, and JJ picks the caption.

Furthermore how can you hear, and read something and still draw the wrong conclusion. He is clearly stating that the layer behind the oil (meaning the reason behind the obvious reason) is the coming of the "hand of God". This means the reason for the invasion (the real layer behind the oil) that the US invaded Iraq is the coming of the Imam. What part of this is difficult to understand. The man is playing with the peoples' religiousity, or he's a moron, either way he states what he states and that is not difficult to comprehend. Oh and Anonymity has nothing to do with this, the words are up there for you to hear/read and comprehend regardless of whether I am registered or not.

Now back to lunch!

B.

Hahahaha...

The more I hear this guy the more I feel like laughing, though it is better to cry! Such morons are ruling Iran.

Pseudo Translation

Ashamed of the real transcript translation, here is the pseudo one:
“If rather than training under Mesbah Yazdi & receiving an honorary PhD from Khatami, I had studied for real & had learnt more about the world affairs I had not made a fool out of myself in Colombia & I was not blaming an unknown now for all my shortcomings in running the economy & the country??
PS: Are not the members of the current Iraq government like Maleki, Hakim, Chalabi & Barezani friends of IRI??

Party Girl, don't be a teaser.

Why post a mere 1 minute and 2 second snippet of an obviously longer speech by Ahmadinejad? My problem with the piece is that it is out of context. Knowing that Ahmadinejad is an psyop expert, a "smooth operator" and a shrewd politician - I know some of you are laughing out loud at my descriptions of him - I am sure he was discussing the subject of zohoor-e sahab-e zamaan and its implications in much more details and, perhaps, drawing some important conclusions. Why not the whole speech? I am hoping that would have led to more intelligent discourse about a subject that obviously LOTS of people in and out of position of power in East and West believe in.

RE: Some unregistered dude typing at me

yes I did listen, and your still wrong with iraniandokht, he still does not say that the US invaded Iraq BECAUSE of the Imame Zaman as she mentions in this title (read your own translation). He actually says because of oil. There is a difference of being informed about "the subject" he might be thinking the US might be thinking, than saying that the US thought of the Imam zaman when invading. I hope that made sense, either way, he has stupid beliefs, but he is no way a village idiot.