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Interesting points...

Interesting points. I would like to add a few comments.

First, pro-IRI Iranians here in the US will be ordered by IRI NOT to attack US installation. I am certain of it. The mullahs are stupid, but they are not that stupid. An attack by Iranian agents here in the US will be retaliated immediately by the US in the form a full invasion of Iran and complete anihilation of the IRI regime. And this with the full support of the congress, the American people and the rest of major players including China and Russia.

Second, if the US makes it clear through its propoganda machine that it does not intend to invade Iran, but only to anihilate the regime and give a chance for Iranians to finish the IRI off, the majority of Iranians will support it. This includes a good majority of the Kurds, many Azaris and definitely the Balooch and Khuzestan's Arabs who are greatly aliniated by IRI. As for the rest of the Farsis, many of them would support it too, but not as many as in other ethnic groups.

Remember when the US invaded Iraq? Remember how the Kurds and the Shias welcomed it? You may counter that Iraq suffered greatly as the consequence of the US invasion, and I agree. But historically, we middle easterners are well known not to learn our lessons.

Jamshid

War scenarios

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The real reasons that Bush/Cheney warmongers have for attacking Iran is not because of the enrichment facilities but we will assume they are the only targets. What will happen is that Iran will respond with all it has got, including hitting American bases and forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. It may even lay mines in Straights of Hormuz and be able to keep it closed for a short period of time. Because America can not allow such a response it is forced to eliminate all possible forms of retaliation, which the above report I have provided a link for goes into great depth.
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Two:
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Americans would be stupid not take out all of Iran’s military forces in the first wave of attack, and they are fully capable of doing so. But it will also include the military infrastructure, and this means armaments factories, barracks, communication centers, which most of are located near residential areas. The target lists include power stations, transportation facilities, and may even include dams and water purification facilities. There are many in-depth reports going into all of this in detail and a quick search on Google will bring it up. Anthony Cordesman has done a 105 report and The Atlantic conducted a war game. www.campaginiran.com has a great deal of information on its site. The use of nuclear devices is also being considered by the Americans, the consequences for which have been reported on.
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Three:
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There will be no ground invasion. The American army is already over-stretched but the navy and air force are capable of totally crippling Iran in a period of two weeks, essentially setting Iran back by at least fifty years.
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Whatever the scale of attack, Iranians will turn towards the regime for protection and the support for the regime will greatly increase. It is a fantasy to think Iranians will be able to remove the regime after an attack. When there are no telephones, water, electricity, and gasoline you can be certain that it will be everybody out for themselves so as to survive, and regime change will be very low on the list of priorities.
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Any attack on Iran will our September 11th and will turn Iran into a warrior nation. It will turn everybody’s attention towards taking revenge on the Americans.
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In the United States there will be moves to place Iranian-Americans into detention camps (being built by Halliburton) given that it will be almost impossible to distinguish between which Iranians are on American’s side and which are on Iran’s side.
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It is simply wrong to think the regime will not respond to an attack. And it will not only be the regime, it will be 98% of the population, and you can include me in that figure, even though I have lived most of my life outside Iran. An attack on Iran will be the start of World War Three given that China and Russia will start an immediate flow of sophisticated arms to Iran. China receives 12% of its oil from Iran and it will not allow the Americans to gain total control of the Middle East, which is the real objective of the warmongers.

Mohammad Alireza

Scenarios

Ok. Let's say the US did attack Iran. Now, why don't you give me a few examples of the aftermath for the following in order of escalation:

1. Only Iran's nuclear facilities are bombarded.

2. The above plus most of Iranian army/navy/etc is annihilated too.

3. Both of the above plus invasion of Iran too.

Don't just tell them it's bad for Iran, show them with descriptive details so you can get your point across easier.

Jamshid

No, it's a crime to stay uninformed

Since when wanting to think, wanting to know, wanting to analyze something, whatever it may be, has become a crime? (Please point to the exact sentence where I said anything about “a crime”.)
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The guy was just asking for a good analysis of the consequences of the war and he submitted some pros and cons as a thought exercise. Since when this has become a crime? (Read all of Rostam’s comments, from start to finish, and ask your self if he is not trying very hard to justify the use of military force as a means towards regime change. He asked for a good analysis and I provided a link. He obviously did not even bother to “click”, which you obviously did not bother to do also.)
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Mohamad Alirreza says that the death of one single Iranian child due to a war is sufficient to prevent a war. What about hundreds of thousands of under age children IRI sent to their death in the Iraq war, and hundreds it is executing even now? (I am not defending the IRI’s behavior. The issue is warmongers in America getting very close to bombing Iran and preventing this from happening. You are confusing issues.)
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Mr. Mohamad, NOBODY WANTS A WAR WITH THE US. I know you won't get it if I say it only once. So here I will repeat it again: NOBODY WANTS THE US TO ATTACK IRAN. Did you understood my last two sentences or shall I repeat them to you? Perhpas copy and paste them a thousand time, will you then get it? (This is your subjective opinion. I think you would be very surprised to discover just how many Iranian-Americans would support military action so as to bring about regime change. Maybe iranain.com can conduct a poll to find out. My guess is that close to 30% of Iranian-Americans would be in favor of military action. I have a vague memory that such a poll was taken once.)
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Iranians already ARE at war with an enemy that is committing so many atrocities against its own people. Your reasons for not opposing the IRI because of the threat of the war with the US is meaningles. Yours is just an execuse to allow the IRI's miserable life to continue for a while longer. (It is obvious both you and Rostam do not live in Iran. When I was in the United States I also had an extremely negative perception of today’s Iran. After six years of being back it is impossible to see things in just black and white. But this is not the issue. The issue is: A very powerful cabal within the American power structure is plotting to destroy our country and if you can not see this it is because your hatred of the IRI is blinding you to this fact. We in Iran are like passengers in a bus. We don’t like the driver and we don’t agree with where he is taking us. Outside, hiding around the curve, is a cowboy about to blow up the bus. The problem is how to stop the cowboy from blowing the bus. Changing the driver is not possible and can not be done in time. Those not on the bus keep screaming at the passengers that the problem is the driver even though the cowboy has lit the fuse, which they don’t even want to acknowledge. Just because they hate the driver they don’t even lift a finger to try to put out the fuse. Maybe when the bus blows up their eyes will open.)
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Iranians who are NOT "sitting comfortably outside Iran" and who are "sitting UNcomfortably in Iran" won't buy your arguements. The opposition to the IRI must be pressed on. The IRI's crime against Iran must be stopped. (I agree that the opposition to the IRI needs to continue and I am confident that Iran will not remain a theocracy but if it is destroyed by American bombs and missiles and poisoned by depleted uranium what exactly will we have to work with besides a shattered land where anarchy will prevail. Will those sitting comfortably in Orange County return to rebuilt Iran? I don’t think so.)
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At the end, just in case you didn't get it and you want to label me, I will repeat again: WE DON'T WANT THE US TO ATTACK IRAN. GOT IT? (Then do something about it. The more you scream at the driver and passengers the more the cowboy feels he is doing the right thing.)

Mohammad Alireza

When it becomes a crime to think....

Since when wanting to think, wanting to know, wanting to analyze something, whatever it may be, has become a crime?

The guy was just asking for a good analysis of the consequences of the war and he submitted some pros and cons as a thought exercise. Since when this has become a crime?

Mohamad Alirreza says that the death of one single Iranian child due to a war is sufficient to prevent a war. What about hundreds of thousands of  under age children IRI sent to their death in the Iraq war, and hundreds it is executing even now?

Mr. Mohamad, NOBODY WANTS A WAR WITH THE US. I know you won't get it if I say it only once. So here I will repeat it again: NOBODY WANTS THE US TO ATTACK IRAN. Did you understood my last two sentences or shall I repeat them to you? Perhpas copy and paste them a thousand time, will you then get it?

Iranians already ARE at war with an enemy that is committing so many atrocities against its own people. Your reasons for not opposing the IRI because of the threat of the war with the US is meaningles. Yours is just an execuse to allow the IRI's miserable life to continue for a while longer.

Iranians who are NOT "sitting comfortably outside Iran" and who are "sitting UNcomfortably in Iran" won't buy your arguements. The opposition to the IRI must be pressed on. The IRI's crime against Iran must be stopped.

At the end, just in case you didn't get it and you want to label me, I will repeat again: WE DON'T WANT THE US TO ATTACK IRAN. GOT IT?

No War!

Only somebody sitting comfortably outside Iran would make the comments you have made regarding consequences of a war between Iran and America. Are you sure you are an Iranian?

The death of one single Iranian child due to American bombs being dropped on Iran is sufficient reason to work to prevent an attack on Iran. How can you possibly think that dropping two atomic bombs were a good thing given where Japan is today!?!

Have you heard of depleted uranium weaponry? They will be rained down on Iran during an attack.

And if it is a study you need before deciding if an unprovoked attack on Iran is a good or bad thing then click on the link I gave above and download the Acrobat Reader file "Considering a war with Iran: A discussion paper on WMD in the Middle East".

Maybe you need to get better informed before you discuss these matters any further because you are way off base. I suggest taking a look at www.campaigniran.com for the best coverage on Iran and what is happening.

Mohammad Alireza

War

I have not read anywhere a comprehensive analysis of what the consequences of a US-Iran war may be. Is it...

1. Is it possible that the regime is overthrown and a progressive and liberal regime takes its place? Japan and Germany were defeated after the war, and the US had a big say in their country for a decade, but look at where they are now.

2. Conversely, look at where Iraq is now. But Iran is no Iraq which was a country invented by the western powers. Or... Perhaps we are worst than the Iraqis???

3. Is it possible that the US "temporary" occupy just Khuzestan, and then before we know it, with the support of the US and all the arab countries, we find that khuzestan has become an independent arabic republic? Never to join back with Iran.

4. What will be the extend of the war? Just bombardments to delay atomization of Iran? Occupation of Khuzestan? Occupation of entire Iran? ....

Anyway, these need to be discussed among Iranians. We just either hear that the war is bad, period. Or that it will be to Iran's disadvanatage in the short run and to its benefit in the long run. I am yet to find a good analysis.

Nojheh reply

I was three blocks away when the students were being beaten up in 1999. That was no uprising and it was not a viable opposition, and I still think we have never had a viable opposition movement able to bring about change in Iran.

The most important issue facing Iran is not regime change; it is preventing an American attack. Take a look at this and the link to the pdf file and ask yourself what is more important for Iranians to focus on.

//rawstory.com/news/2007/Study_US_preparing_m...

Mohammad Alireza

Nojheh

Mohamad you say: "Neither today or in the past has their been any viable opposition ready and able to bring about regime change in Iran..."

What about the failed Nojheh coup? One of Dr. Bakhtiar's closest compatriots stated that it was difficult to recruit outside of the Shah's army remains because most people thought like you: It is not time to oppose the IRI yet.

What about the 1999 students uprising? The massive executions in the early 90s?

Dont forget

Not just fitting both feet in his mouth, but fitting his head in his a** as well.

Response to Rostam and David

Rostam:

Neither today or in the past has their been any viable opposition ready and able to bring about regime change in Iran so making excuses for not having regime change is a non-issue.

I hope I am wrong but it is hard not to conclude that you are an advocate of regime change through military action by the Americans given the tilt of your comments so far.

Regime change in Iran can not take place through political or military means. Any real regime change in Iran must happen through Islamic reformation. A large majority of Iranian’s that perform their namaz and practice roozeh do not consider those in power true Muslims. By offering these Iranians a well thought-out program of reformation through a sophisticated campaign that reaches all sectors of Iranian society it will be possible to bring about change that will be peaceful, long lasting and a genuine contribution to Iran’s natural cultural evolution.

(David, what gave you the idea I like Mr. Ahmadinejad? Besides, any applicant for speechwriter would first have to be able to fit both feet into his mouth, a skill that Mr. Ahmadinejad has perfected.)

Mohammad Alireza

look whose talking!!

You should apply to become his speechwriter if you like him so much.

RE: Response

You remind me of those who said the same things, namely to delay opposition efforts against IRI, in several periods:

1. The first two years of revolution: The reason for wanting to delay the opposition agaisnt IRI was that the remains of Shah's army may do a coup d'etat.

2. The eight years war against Iraq: The reason for wanting to delay opposition to IRI was obvious. We had a war at hand.

3. Khatami so called reform period in the 90s: The reason was to give the internal movement within the Mullhas ranks a chance.

4. And now the threat of war against the US which may continue even under the next US president.

So Mr. Alireza, 28 years passed. With your attitude another 30 years will pass and we should not be taking any action for one excuse or another. You are either a IRI lackey or anti-IRI but indeed naive.

Response to "Mohammad Alireza EXPOSED..."

To Rostam:

Besides the parts that were a little over the top and silly most of your comments I would agree with. However, don't you think you come across as being a lackey of the American military industrial complex and the Zionist? For those of you that have "katj doozarees" I'll spell it out for you:

Threatening an attack on Iran only strengthens the mullahs. An attack will make them even more entrenched. When Iran is out of danger of a war the Iranian people can begin to work towards change. The "speech" is part of an effort to prevent war, which all Iranians need to work towards. When that danger passes other problems can be focused on.

Mohammad Alireza

Mohamad Alireza EXPOSED...

Here is the EXPOSED version of Alireza's article. The normal text are his words exactly as he wrote them. The bold text is what I interjected into his text to expose this IRI lackey. Here it is:

Thank you ladies and gentleman of the press for accepting our invitation to attend this news conference.

For your information we invited many news organizations to this news conference but as you will note quite a few chose not to attend, for instance the Iranian opposition journalists. We consider this another piece of evidence of how scared they are to attend since the IRI would immediately arrest and execute most of them. 

We believe journalists should remove themselves from the process of generating propaganda for the military industrial complex and not allow their hands to become bloody, of course with the exception of the Pasdaran military complex. In that case, it is ok to generate propoganda.

Today we are announcing the suspension of our enrichment activities for a period of six months. (However being the king of liers, we would secretly continue enrichment.)

We have decided to do this because it has become clear to us that the warmongers in Washington have gained the upper hand and are plotting to start a war with Iran. We are scared to death about this but we try not to show it and to keep our composure.

We suspect those behind this plot are Zionist moles imbedded in the power structure of Washington and are manipulating the Americans into taking actions that will benefit the expansionist and racist policies of the Zionist regime holding power in Israel. I declare the IRI should be the only ones with expansionist policies in the middle east.

The billions of taxpayer dollars that have been spent in Iraq are always labeled as a cost. We label the billions that we spent in Lebanon also as a cost. Ain't it great that we are so alike? But exactly where is this money going if not into the pockets of the American military industrial complex, or in our case, in the pockets of the Pasdaran military complex? Has our greed at IRI reached a point that it does not matter to us if the Persian Gulf is turned into an inferno and the price of oil reaches two hundred dollars per barrel?

These two very powerful forces in Washington, the military industrial complex and Zionist agents, have been trying everything in their power to start a war with our country. And the two very powerful forces in Iran, the pasdaran military complex and the hard liner agents have been trying everything in their power to stop the war without losing face, you see, we are so scared but we try not to show it. It is time the American people woke up to this reality. It is time that the American people exercised their democratic and legal rights because if they fail America will be hoodwinked into starting World War Three. But we do hope that the time for the Iranian people to wake up and exercise their democratic legal rights has not come yet and will never come, because we will never allow it to come, since if the time does come then that will be the death of IRI.

America has started two wars on our borders. We fought one of them for 8 years at a cost of Iranian lives, and enriching the American military complex pockets by buying weapons from them.

We Iranians have seen these games played before and twenty nine years ago chose not to participate in enriching the American military industrial complex. We decided we should wait one more year until it was 1981. Then we enriched the American military complex pockets by buying so much weapons from them that the even the Shah wouldn't dream of it. Ever since then the oil companies and weapon makers in America have been trying to find a way to "solve the Iranian problem". I must say that we helped them plenty by making sure the war continued for 8 years.

It is the duty of the American people to take back control of their government so that once again they can call themselves a government of the people, for the people, by the people. A government of warmongers, for the industrial military complex, manipulated by Zionist has already proven to be a disaster. However in Iran, it is our duty to take control of the goverment from the people insuring a goverment of the mullahs for the mullahs and by the mullahs. A goverment of hatemongers, for the pasdaran military complex, manipulated by the hardliner islamist has already proven to be a disaster here at home, but heck who cares.

We are placing our trust in the people of America and it is to save our very souls that we are suspending our enrichment activities, not because of the threats from the warmongers. Iran can defend itself, and will defend itself, we have 70+ milion lives to spare.

The brave Iraqi people have demonstrated to the world that crusaders can be defeated. If the crusaders want further proof that they will be defeated again then all it will take is for them to attack Iran. The cursades will very soon learn that the Iranian masses are waiting for them with chayee and shirini to welcome them in the hopes that the IRI will disappear from the face of this earth.

Iran has not invaded or attacked any other country for hundreds of years. You see, We the mullahs have made sure that Iran is always weak and backwarded so that she can only be attacked and invaded by foreigners.

We are willing to participate in talks that are open, fair, and based on justice and that do not trample on the rights of the Iranian people. We, the IRI are already trampling their rights aplenty right here at home. As it is clear to everybody it is time for the American military forces to leave the Middle East so that we can move in replacing them. and Iran is willing to assist towards making America's withdrawal less bloody then it could be.

A peaceful Middle East with an enforceable agreement to keep the region free of all weapons of mass destruction is our objective until we obtain that nuclear bomb, then we'll show you all how much we care for peace. and we trust that the people of all nations will play a part in making this a reality sooner rather than later.

Thank you for attending this news conference and we hope you will do your part in spreading this message far and wide and not allow the warmongering news organizations to manipulate this message towards their own ends, as manipulation of words is our unique talent and should only be our privilege and none other.

Response to Almost 10% there!

To Programmer craig:

A six month suspension will at least stop the burning fuse with maybe enough time to defuse the rest of the problems that could lead to war.

Mohammad Alireza

Perform operations on Ahmadinejad and 10000 mullahs...

I)I would prefer to hear that Ahamdinejad and the top 10000 mullahs, bacheh Mullahs, and their supporters are rounded up and arrested,

II) Then, I would like to have the unemployed/surplus MD’s in Iran perform surgical operation to stitch up closing the “sorakh koon” (anal cavity) of these 10000 two-legged criminal animals,

III) Next, I would like to see these animals to be force-fed with “khoresh ghaymeh = mordeh polo” until they explode from not being able to do #2,

IV) Finally, I would like to have the family members of these bastards to lick up cleaning all the leftover mess.

I prefer another announcement

I would prefer that Antarinejad announces that he and all of the Arab-parast IRI will commit mass suicide, to be preceded by the closing of all of the Swiss bank accounts where they have been hiding all of the money they have stolen from the people of Iran since 1979, the sum of which exceeds the imagination, and returning it where it belongs.

Almost 10% there!

Well, the Title was good at least!
But do you really think a 6 month halt to enrichment would be enough to calm anyone's fears? I don't. An announcement that the Iranian nuclear program was to be dismantled, under strict supervision, might be.
That might be enough to avert a war. But it still leaves all the past grievances unanswered.