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Jahanshah Javid, Hezbollah in Disguise!

Jahanshah Javid, Hezbollah in Disguise!
Hezbollah's Front Businesses in America!
Part one
//iranpoliticsclub.net/politics/shiite-season...
part two
//iranpoliticsclub.net/politics/shiite-season...

Dear Behrouz, I’m very

Dear Behrouz, I’m very clear on where I stand, I think it’s you, and many of our fellow Iranians ,who have totally mistranslated and misused the definition of racism. I am simply stating the fact that the post-Islamic Iranian society was inhabited of people from a mixed race of Arab and Iranians races. And since Islam and Arabism was the dominant religion and culture, it, till today, influenced the Iranian psyche. There is no “fuss’ about anything. It is obvious that since you do not agree with my argument, you have started a “fuss” within yourself. I stick to my opinion that there no “better” cultures. All are different and have contributed to humanity. I am not one of those typical Iranians who see everything in absolute terms. Concept such as politics and culture and religion are relative concepts. With regards

So where do you exactly stand???????????.

Dear Farshad

I have no problem continuing with this discussion as long as you clear your position and stick into it.
However when you keep jumping between the polls and shifting you position there would be noting to discuss, as yourself are not still sure where you stand.
In your first positing you claim
"the Arab tribe inbreeded the Iranian women and at the same time, killed as many Iranian men and boys as possible. So the next generations of Iranians had Arabic blood "
You continue

“ So it’s not about whether Iranians embraced Islam or not; the fact is, there were no “Iranians” in the pre-Islamic terms to speak of. It was a race of mixed Iranian and Arabic genes who, since the conqueror’s culture was the supreme one, were Muslims to begin with, even though they spoke Farsi.”

Can you state to me what is your intention by such an statement. to any observer this indicates that you have a problem with Arab blood in Iranian vanes. Now if that is not racism then what is it?
In your next posting you claim that

“I do not believe there is any culture “better” and “richer” than another one.” Well if that is the case then why the first statement and why all the fuss about Arabic culture and Islam taking over

So where do you exactly stand. Are you for Islam or against it?
If you are against it, is it because you studied the religion and saw something that people like Hafez, Saadi and Abu Ali Sina misses and so did not find it a worthy or human religion, or is simply because it is a religion which originally belonged to Arabs and you hate anything to do with them.
But if you are for it then why all the fuss about how it got here????????

Dear Behrooz, I did not

Dear Behrooz, I did not insult you or anyone else. I never do that when trying to have an intelligent conversation. Nonetheless, do you think calling someone from an Arab ancestry is an insult? Furthermore, the Native American population has not been annihilated. Marginalized yes, but not vanished. A good, probably majority, portion of the population is of a mixed Spanish-native American ancestry. Also, I did not say I was a “pure Persian”. Please read my reply again. It is true that one of the reasons that the Iranian culture survived was because of the fact that our ancestors were proud of their roots. I do not believe there is any culture “better” and “richer” than another one. Every culture is “different”. Egypt has a much longer and ancient civilization than us. I did not claim otherwise. I touched on the systematic racial integration policy imposed by Arabs, like some other conquers throughout the history, in the territories they occupied. That is a fact, not a racist statement. It amazes me how Iranians twist and tweak the definition of racism and racists! Thanks.

You simply cannot have it both ways

Dear Farshad
Thank you for the reply
However remember that It was you who first started this insult not me.
But as for the main point that you made
The change of population in America was due to mass migration from Europe, which ended up in annihilation of Native Americans and in case of Iran it did not happen.

You simply cannot have it both ways. One cannot claim that the population and generations of Iranians have been diluted or mostly over came and replaced by Arabs and also claim to be a pure Persian himself and that was the point I was trying to make.
In the case of other civilisation such as Babylonia, Egypt and Figighiyye (today’s Syria) the reason for their Arabization was the deep influence of Arabic language which became the scientific language (same as today’s English)and Arabs military and economic dominance but more importantly it was disintegration of those society and loosing touch with their roots, values and culture rather than a change of race.
Something that more or happened in Iran. In fact if it was not for the province of Khorasan and people like Ferdosi the Persian language would have been lost forever.

The reason for our survivor was that our Persian ancestors had much richer language, religion and culture than those other nation and were more importantly they were more in touch with those aspects. They simply did not forget their roots and the main assets of their Culture and Identity. That was the reason their loss was significantly less than the other nations.

I have never accused you of being a racist.
However your remarks to claim that Persians are better than Arabs or the only people who can be Muslim are the ones with impure Arab blood in their vanes certainly leaves one wondering

Baa Sepass

Behrooz, thanks for your

Behrooz, thanks for your kind remarks! Shows how much you guys believe in respecting other person’s opinion! Anyways, I could be, just like you, from Arab origin. I don’t know that. As far as I know, I’m Farsi and Turkmen. Nonetheless, what I wrote wasn’t racist. The definition of Racism is when you prefer a specific race over another or believe in the superiority of one against another. As I said, just look at Egypt and Syria. And by the way, this policy wasn’t implemented by Arabs only. The Spaniard committed the same atrocities in South America. The population there was from Indian origin pre Spanish occupation. Do you think that’s the case now?

to Farshad Kashani

Dear Farshad
Does this mean that you are a decedent of rapist Arabs too??

In which case I do not see what is all the fuss about.
Why the bustard son of a rapist Arab should be concerned about our Persian Heritage and Identity

Isn't it the same as KAASE AZ ASH DAAGH TAR syndrome

Or May be you are arrogant enough to claim that you are the only one with the pure superior Arian blood and the rest of us are inferior Arabs

Tell me my friend. when are we gonna grow out of this racist bigotry and move into 21th century, just like the rest of civilized world did

These remarks are an insult to our ancestors and a disgrace to our Persian Heritage.

At the end of the day none of these are going to resolve our real problems on the ground(such as unemployment, poverty and so on)
Time to grow up mate

Arezou, it is sad that you

Arezou, it is sad that you like many Iranians, always relate every issue about your country and culture to the U.S and are infected with I what I call a “love-hate America disorder”. We can’t get enough of U.S. Just look around you and see how many things are happening now in the American society such as homosexuality, abortion…among others which are non-Christian. Yes, that is the SECULAR U.S that you are bashing because of that disorder and is the same SECULAR U.S who has been the strongest force of the spread of SECULARISM throughout the world since it was formed, please look at WWI,WWII…. and the undeniable support of U.S government and NGOs of the secular movement and organizations around the world even today, under the “Christian” Bush. We Iranians don’t seem to understand that in the U.S., religion might be a strong force among some, but the attitude of its citizens and government about the importance of separation of Church and state is much stronger. The first cure for our country is for our people to stop being obsessed with the U.S. The topic of this Article has nothing to do with America.

Here is how the

Here is how the Islamicazation of the Iranian society went. After the invasion, the Arab tribe inbreeded the Iranian women and at the same time, killed as many Iranian men and boys as possible. So the next generations of Iranians had Arabic blood in them and were raised according to the Islamic traditions and religion. That systematic genocide was very much planned by the Arab invaders and was adopted in all occupied territories such as Egypt and Syria. That is the same thing that happened to them. So it’s not about whether Iranians embraced Islam or not; the fact is, there were no “Iranians” in the pre-Islamic terms to speak of. It was a race of mixed Iranian and Arabic genes who, since the conqueror’s culture was the supreme one, were Muslims to begin with, even though they spoke Farsi.

poll

//www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1147

//www.usip.org/iran/iran_presentation.pdf

//www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=9303

young iranian

in iran we still loves imam Ali justice, he is still a man that young iranian want to follow, and emam hossein = brave man a revolutionary man
we love our country and it has nothing to do with our religion. the iranian were the first who follow imam ali. mokhtar and his companion who killed yazid and teh rest of the yazidi were all iranian.
plz come to iran and see even that guy who drinks and want come out of iran, ask him what he likes about emam ali and hossein. he would say they are nobles!
before you talk come to iran and ask ous

To: comeonnow

There are thousands of Persians that want to know the truth about Islam and Persians. Islam is not forever in Iran. Persian need to know about their past, their present and options for their future. You want to sit on your rear and waive a white flag that benefits only the mullahs.

You assume I or others who feel the same way live in Southern California. In fact, most of us live in Iran. Many Persians do not like Arabs. They are disgusted with Islam. They find comfort with Persian poets of modern Persian history. They are searching for a way out of the contradiction in their lives. On the one hand, they claim they are muslims, but they celebrate Persian new year and other pre-islamic events. They are not accepted into the Sunni "clan." They know this everytime they travel to Sunni countries, like Saudi Arabia.

The Mullahs have slaughtered thousands of Persians with no end in sight. I rather the World bring the issues haunting Persians to a boiling point. Yes, there will be death when the Mulahs are bombed, but it is a necessary evil that must happen. Mullahs are counting on people like you that don't support an attack on Iran. They know if they get passed these rough seas they will be in Iran for more centuries to come.

Mullahs have held the Persian and the World hostage for 27 plus years. It is time to confront them. It is time to free Iran.

I kept the bombing of Mullahs to a minimum in this post, however, for good measure. Bomb the fuck of them Now!!! Have the run to Canada to apply for Asylum!!!

Reply to Come on Now

Who said anything about the Shah? Why do you automatically assume anyone saying anything against Mohammadism is a Saltant Talab (Pro-Monarchy)? What most of the reasonable comments ( And I emphasize "Reasonable") on this blog simply promote a Renaissence out of the ignorance and superstition born out of Mohammadism. What's so incoherent or wrong with people setting their minds free of this mental infection called Islam or Mohammadism as we like to call it? We should encourage our Hamvatans to check //www.news.faithfreedom.org
to see for themselves what a bunch pre-historic jiberish this tought system really is. Don't be so afraid of the truth, it'll set you free.

9/11 an Inside Job?

On 10/14/2007 there was an article in New York Times which states that the Qwest phone company's former chairman has submitted documents to court indicating that 7 MONTHS BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, NSA had been forcing his company and other phone co's to intercept phone calls without court warrent. Please see:

//www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/business/14qwest...

This along with all other evidence that we know exists adds another interesting angel to the suspecious that in fact US Government KNEW OR PLANNED (or both) the attacks of 9/11. Another interesting angel that has not received much attention was reported by Carl Cameron at the time I think with a local TV station in NYC and now a reporter with with FOX. In that report he stated LIVE on 9/11, a few hours after the attacks) that 15 (don't recall the exact number now may be 16) Israeli nationals who were working as truck drivers and elivery men in NYC were caught by police (tipped by an old woman neighbor) who were tape recording the 9/11 attacks. When the video tapes were confiscated and played by police, police noticed that the recording has actually started 5 minutes or so BEFORE THE FIRST PLANE ATTACK. While there are still hundreds in jails in NYC on supecision, from the 9/11 days, such as for expired visas, etc. these Israelis were let go back to Israel after only a week or so in jail. Peter Jennings followed up with that story on ABC and asked Dick Chaney's office why these Israelis were let go? The office of the VP said, "their mothers in Tel Aviv were missing them and wanted them back"!!! and so we released them!!!!
Folks, I am sure there are more documented evidence that indicate role and/or knowledge of US government and the Israleis in 9/11. Lets share and discuss. But please no made up stories. Lets go with documented and reliable sources.

Thanks

I agree with Comeonnow

Comeonnow the problem is that these people do not have any ideas about Iran and her history...They are so backward and think that being "anti" makes them openminded and smart. You said it. You should write an aritcle about your thoughts to educate these fanatics...

Comeonnow: you made excellent points!

very well said, excellent points. I am a secular Iranian and have been disgusted by some of these racist comments specially by this Kouroush guy (he is dropping with his droppings everywhere).

Wow, it's pretty amazing to

Wow, it's pretty amazing to see some of the incoherant nonsense you can talk, instead of just honestly holding a civil debate.

You sit here and tell us Islam is the ideology of doom and Persia needs to be freed of it, etc. etc.

Ok, fair enough. Where do we go from there? I know there's a high percentage of you that think that the Shah was God on Earth, so for you its fine for Iran to be completely dominated by America, as long as America isn't the Arabs.

Now we have an Islamic Republic, and I don't think we could have asked for a more incompetent government. Yet, through all that, Iran has become subservient to NO ONE. You claim we're being raped by Arabs right now. I beg to differ. None of our oil money goes to Arabs...under the Shah, did Iranian oil belong to Iranians? No. So as bad and ineffective as the IRI is, its just a horrible sign that the Shah was even worse.

Now to address your anti-Islamic leanings. I find it perfectly fine to not believe in Islam, or to think it a religion of death. But do you really believe that the majority of Persians only follow Islam because it was forced on them 1400 years ago? Yes, perhaps the majority of your friends in their LA mansions don't believe in Islam, and maybe the same holds for the bourgeoisie of North Tehran, but the great great great majority of Iranians are devout Muslims. If you were given the reigns of Iran today, the only way you could have your deIslamified Iran is to massacre the majority of its citizens.

Today, other extreme Iranians like you are actually pushing for war with Iran, because to you a personal vendetta with the IRI is worth the blood of the thousands of Iranians that would die as a cause of the invasion. Of course, that would probably be fine, because those were the Arab lovers, correct?

Your ideology, like that of the IRI, does much great disservice to Iran, and is a highly unfeasible ideology. The Iran you dream of existed 2000 years ago, and cannot be brought back. I hope that for the likes of your kind, living in the past is satisfactory enough, because if you were ever given the reigns of power in Iran, it would be total disaster. Zoroastrian Persia is dead and Islamic Iran is here to stay, for better or for worse.

Here is more....

Most of you arab bending scum don't even know what was taken from you and replaced it with that pedophile's book.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denkard

What was taken from you by Arabs, you don't even know!

Here is something your arab muslim brothers took from you, you worthless pieces of arab leftovers! Now, you bend over, claim your Islamic heritage and love your rapists!

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazand

Persians were so upset at

Persians were so upset at the movie 300, because it depicted Persians as monsters. They were upset at the movie Alexander, because it showed Darius as a coward. So, you cocksuckers are proud of your pre-Islamic past. If your past was so great, why the fuck did you readily and voluntarily give up your faith. That's selective cocksucking!

Alexander did not destroy the Persian culture, in fact, he embraced it. I am not saying that a city or two were not destroyed, but the language and the faith of Persian were not changed.

The Ayrabs slaughtered thousands of Persians and for 60 to 70 years after their invasion they continued to slaughter Persians if they did not convert to Islam.

The Ayrabs don't even consider Persians muslims, but you idiots want to belong to their camp when they do not accept you. Iranians claiming to be Muslims need serious therapy to deal with the fact that they are a product of rape and they no longer need to warship their rapists. They must suffer from the Stockholm syndrom.

My family held on to their pre-Islamic faith for the last 1400 years, as most of you either by force or the sands of time accepted your repeated anal violations. However, it is never too late to be free from your captures. You hold the key to your cells.

I know they are many Persians who have turned their back on Mohammad the child rapist and Ali the Persian slaughterer!

What do you expect from a pedophile

The head of a religion, the founder, the person to follow in Islam, named Muhammad was a PEDOPHILE (he was fucking a 9 years old as his wife), what do you expect from the rest of this cult when the head is rotten...

O' Contrare Johnny Boy

Dear John (No pon intended !)

Hatred of Islamists (Mohammadists) as we like to call them has nothing to do with wanting to set our beloved Pars free again. We as a nation have a duty to expose the depths of this evil idealogy to the whole world. That is why from time to time you see the point being made about all Mohammdist countries being some of the most backward and archaic nations on the face of the planet.

Furthermore, just because a thought system is gaining strength, it doesn't mean it is a rightous and just idealogy, if that was the case, back in 1933 we should all have closed shop and let the German Nzais and their 3rd Reich rule the world for the next 1000 years. Might does not make right.

Make no mistake about it, there is renessaince coming for the Mohammadist countries, and sooner than you think, and I have a feeling we Persians will be the flag bearers of this evolution to rid our minds of this cancer once and for all. You notice, I used the word evolution, not revolution, go think about that, and I mentioned renessaince, because this universal infection called Mohammadism will not and can not be eradicated by simple trivial means such as violence and warfare, it has to be conducted through a cultural and mental alteration.

If you are really john Schmidt, spread the word to your other western compatriots and may be just may be the word will get to the boards of BP, Shell, Exxon and the other sisters, and they will finally realiza the party is over and they can no longer use Mohammdism to keep the world wide igonrance alive.

Anyone visiting this site should spread the word about Faithfreedom.org

if they want the humainity to rid itself of one of the major sources of ignorance, inhumanity, violence, bloodshed, and backwardness.

To Killbush

Ignorants is the tool that have kept our nation in the dark ages. Who says that Iranian culture and tradition is "Shia-Islamic??? Not every iranian is shia. Almost all kurds and baluchs are sunni so please read some facts before you make a statement. Religion and politics can't work together. Lets hope for secular democratic federal Iran in future.

This is a great book for every Iranian to read...

//www.1400years.org/book1400/default.asp

To ultra right wing (racist) Persians

--Sunni Muslims have their extremists such as UBL
--Jewish people have their extremists such as Meir Kahane,(even Israel calls them terrorists)
--Shiite Muslims have their extremists such as Khalkhali,
--Ultra right Christians have their extremists such as Jerry Falwell,
--Socialists have their extremists such as Pol Pot.
--…….,
--…….,
--…….
But these religions or ideologies have been there for centuries, they have and will go through changes but they will not disappear any time soon.

Your argument is not sound

Reviewing your argument, I find it wrong. I see your hatred for the islamist is getting in the way of sound thinking. Islam has been growing for the past 30 years through out the world. You can see its clear influence much more today than 30 years ago. After a recent trip that I had to West Africa, I am convinced that it is stronger than before.

Start digging....

You must dearly miss being anally invaded by your fellow muslim brothers. I can arrange for you to get there at Gitmo! They would love to have you there. But, what I have in mind for people like you would put what the Monguls did to shame. Evilidealogies like Islam must be removed once and for all. A religion of hate and pedophilia must be destroyed. It has no room in our World.

MF like you are the same muslim arabzadehs that engaged in the destruction of Iran and continue to defend Islam so you can continue to rape 9 year olds and stone people to death.

I strongly suggest you all gather in the Kavir and look up in the sky and think of your pedophile leader mohammadeh bache baz for some special delivery.

Aryo Barzan: Winner of Fiction Writing in "$75 M Club"

Go enjoy the piece of shit..

Are you the Same Kourosh

Are you the same ass hole who wants to bomb Iran. Get the fuck out of the Iranians.com. You probably are either an Arab or ugly enemy of my country. Shame on you to even choose an Iranian name for yourself. Let me tell you something else, your stupidity is so clear from your posting, even here. Go read you traitor piece of shit. You attack Islam in here as an Iranian knowing that 98% of Iranians are Muslim and 100% smarter than you. You all are bunch of morons thinking that you have found "Something" new that no one has found previously! what a bunch of pathetic losers. Someone needs to grab your stupid ears and give you some books to read and learn. There is a politic behind the Iranian culture and tradition, that is "Shia-Islamic" and you ass holes who think your "Western" culture is so much better go fuck yourselves. If you talk about fanatics then your pure example is this Kourosh Susul dude. Just because he is "against" Islam you think he is open minded? or any one of you, most of the people who commented here are fanatics. Go read and see where the fanatic ideology come from, from your beautiful and civilized west you idiots. Go see why the west has fanatics, same reason. I mean why God has created morons like you? At least I thought most Iranians are smart...Damn, you are bunch of stupid ass morons. I can't sit here and educate you. See you never.

It is for the best the you neo-extrimists are not in power

Well

For the sake of our Persian Heritage I for one am glad that you people are not in charge.
It is obvious from your mindset that you are another set of extremists in making, as your reasons, justifications and attitudes are exactly the same as your Islamic counterparts . Now remember, I was there in 1979 and I have seen it all

I can vividly imagine you with your (Ettelaat va Amnyaat dogs) Agents going door to door censoring every book,web site and article shutting every opposition voice and
intimidating other people about their religious belief and they way they choose to live their life, and trying to distort another part of our history

I can see very clearly that thirty years from now the next generation using the same site to patronize and disvalues our Persian History and refer to our national heroes ad mass murders

And it would be all because their past generation chose to be extremist about their beliefe

So the same viscus circle will continue until some one gathers the courage to break out of it

However unfortunately it is not happening today and so the show continues