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Farhad Kashani

We could have a good debate, if you (1) stop being inconsistent, and (2) stick to the points, and not deviate from them.

You are inconsistent, because on the one hand you take what the IAEA has said on its face value and assume that it is true and correct and use it to attack Iran's position regarding the nuc problem, but on the other hand, you call the same IAEA (and the fifteen US spy agencies that wrote the NIE on Iran) "incompetent." So, what gives?

You do not stick to the points, but instead give me lecture about the nature of the IRI, instead of thinking about and giving me a thoughtful response about the inconsistencies of the documents that the IAEA explains explanations for.

As I said in another comment below, Iran's nuc problem has two aspects: Political and scientic/technological. One can oppose nuc for Iran under the present conditions on political grounds. Anyone can, and should be free to, do it. But, when it comes to the scientific/technological aspects, one needs more than just ideological lectures, rather knowledge of the subject and scientific objectivity. I respect your political opinion, but with all due respect - and the emphasis is on respect - you lack knowledge and scientific objectivity regarding this particular subject.

Anonymous500

You deny all the evidence presented by IAEA and even United States agencies about Iran's nuclear energy being for peaceful purposes and yet you claim to be an Iranian. If YOU had a drop of Iranian blood you should stop countries that have nuclear bombs who are threatening Iran and Iranians. Countries that have and are using them.

Isn't this more logical and more Iranian?

Any report by west and Israel toward Iraq has been proven to be lies. The same has been proven in reports about Iran. Their crimes against humanity around the world in known to everyone beyond any doubt. Yet you keep saying Iran shouldn't have access to nuclear science, but Israel show have bombs and use on others?

You keep pulling your hair and tear yourself apart! That doesn't make false allegations right.

Mammad, the more and more I

Mammad, the more and more I listen to you guys, the more I realize how naïve some of you guys are.
1- IAEA clearly stated that IRI is not providing all the information we’re asking them too. Now this is very simple to understand my friend, have you ever asked yourself why the IRI doesn’t provide all the information requested? What do they have to hide?
2- What you guys are totally and absolutely disregarding are the facts, the logic and the history regarding the nature of the IRI. It just sounds like you guys read some newspaper which has a biased article written in it, and take it as face value. What you guys don’t even try to understand is what is the true nature of the IRI. What are its policies? Why does it say and do all the things it says and does? Mamad, once you look at the bigger picture, the smallest pieces of puzzles are gonna come together for you.
Once you do that, you don't have to worry about or listen to what IAEA, Bush, Khamenei, ..or anyone else say or do. Instead of spending your time reading and taking at face value what incompetent organizations such as IAEA or the NIE are saying, just try to analyze IRI’s past and present actions. Even if for the sake of the argument we believe that the IRI is a “victim” and the rest of the world are the “guilty parties”, then the IRI has a vital interest in acquiring the state of art weaponry to be able to defend itself against the rest of the world where itself and the world consider enemy. What are you guys, to my incredible surprise, are not even trying to think for a second about, is that the IRI is the master of deception and propaganda and leaving no evidence behind. Have you ever heard the “choopan dorooghgoo” story? Well, the IRI is that choopan. It has left zero room for Iranians and the rest of the world to be able to trust it.
3- I, before anyone else, totally understand that the IRI will never ever use nuclear weapons even if it acquires it. Not because its “humane”, but because it doesn’t want to get retaliated against. The biggest threat though, comes from the regime A- manipulating and threatening the world by using the nuclear weapon card at every attempt B- handing it off to Islamic fundamentalist groups.
4- At best ,Mamad, the nuclear weapons issue is an excuse by the world community to pressure IRI to maybe try to weaken as possible so its threat level goes down. Now the essential question is why is the world after the IRI? Why does the world public opinion (According to numerous polls), consider the IRI as the biggest threat to world peace although the IRI’s main policy since day 1 was to show itself as the real anti U.S force? Mamad, stop being naïve for once.

Anonymous500

First of all, think of me anyway you want, but without knowing who I am, the only thing that you can go by is what I write. So, just respond to my points, without calling me "some kind of expert," or "pretender," or questioning what I might know, or whatever. Is it possible for you to do that? I respond to you without questioning who you are; without labeling you being for- or anti-Iran, or anything else. Can you do the same?

(1) Many people, including myself in my articles, have already pointed out the danger of the Bushehr reactor in the absence of sophisticated safety training. This is not new, but has nothing to do with my previous comments regarding Iran's nuc, because the Bushehr reactor cannot be used for bomb making.

But, if we were to make decision based on rare events, then the world would come to a halt. We should also not fly because the aircraft might crash. We should not drive because every year 25000 people are killed on Iran's roads, and 50,000 in the US. We should, in fact, not leave home, because a piece of rock from outerspace might crash on our heads. But, that is not how the real world works.

(2) The other point that you raise is totally new. There is no mention of this anywhere, except your source. I have access to the IAEA meeting details on Iran, held in February behind close doors, when they discussed the documents of dispute. there was no mention of this.

If the US knew about this (which it should, if it were real), it would have raised hell by now. That would have been the smoking gun that they are looking for. But, neither IAEA, nor the US, nor the UN, nor the EU have ever said anything about this. Therefore, this is nothing, at least at this stage, but lies, propaganda. Just because somebody somewhere says something does not mean that it is true, or plausible, or credible.

Iran's nuclear program has two aspects: One is scientific/technological, and one is political. People should be free to oppose or support the program based on their political views, but when it comes to scientific/technological aspects, only experts are credible, not everybody. Unfortunately, most of us Iranians allow ourselves to speak about practically every subject, even when we know practically nothing about it.

Mamad Agha, read and see if this agrees with you?

Mamamd, you pretend that you are some kind of expert on Iran's nucs; here is what the Le Soir has just disclosed about your Mullah's nucs:
مخفی هسته یی رژیم ایران انفجارهایی صورت گرفته و خساراتی به بار آورده است:
منابع مطلع در وین مقر آژانس بین المللی انرژی اتمی از گزارشی پرده برداشتند كه توسط آقازاده رئیس آژانس انرژی اتمی رژیم ایران تهیه شده و در آن برخی جنبههای برنامه هسته یی رژیم تشریح شده بود. به گفته این منابع كه اظهارات آنها توسط روزنامه بلژیكی لوسوار درج شده احمدی نژاد رئیس جمهور رژیم این گزارش را به دلیل عواقب زیانبار آن برای رژیم از بین برده است.
در این گزارش به تعداد زیادی حوادث و سوانح اشاره شده كه در سایتهای اتمی رژیم ایران رخ داده و همگی آنها توسط سپاه پاسداران پرده پوشی شده است. در این گزارش. راكتور هسته ای بوشهر، یك فاجعه مهیب زیست محیطی توصیف شده است. شركت روسی اتم استروی اكسپرت (Atomstroiexport) كه مسئول راه اندازی راكتور اتمی بوشهر است، این راكتور را بخاطر بی كفایتی و بی توجهی كارگزاران رژیم ایران و ناهمخوانی ساختمان اولیه این نیروگاه كه توسط آلمانی ها ساخته شده با تجهیزات مدرن روسی، یك بمب تأخیری ارزیابی كرده است در این گزارش همچنین آمده است: آزمایشی كه با مواد قابل انشقاق در سایت نظامی پارچین در حومه جنوب تهران در 13 نوامبر 2007 انجام شد، باعث انفجار شدیدی گردید. همچنین در سایت مخفی قدیر كه بین اصفهان و شیراز واقع شده، در ژوئن 2005 هنگام آزمایشهای رادیواكتیوی، انفجاری رخ داده است. بخش اورژانس بیماریهای سرطانی بیمارستان موسوم به بقیه الله سپاه پاسداران در تهران، در آن زمان 12 دانشمند و تكنیسین اتمی را كه بطور شدیدی مورد تششع اتمی قرار گرفته بودند بستری كرده است. اكثر این افراد در سایت قدیر كار میكردند. به نوشته لوسوار موارد مشابهی نیز بتازگی در مركز تحقیقات هسته یی تهران رخ داده است.

Now read this one and see if it agress with your "experties" in Iranian nuke?

To the Moderator: Please, if you have a drop of Iranian blood in you, don't censor this.

Farhad Kashani: Think first

You are grossly misrepresenting all the facts:

(1) All the documents that the IAEA presented to Iran was for 2003 and earlier period. This is totally consistent with the US own National Intelligence Estimate that stated that Iran stopped work on nuclear weapons in 2003, although they actually did not present any evidence that Iran was doing it in 2003 or before.

(2) In 2005, Rafsanjani told George Perkovich of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace that Iran decided that it does need a nuclear weapon, but that if it sets up enrichment facility for fuel, Iran's neighbours can draw their own conclusion. This is again consistent with the NIE.

(3) In its latest report, the IAEA certified once again that it has found no evidence of a nuclear weaponization program in Iran.

(4) The only existing dispute between Iran and the IAEA is over documents the authenticity of which is in doubt. I have followed this closely, and published articles on it. There are many inconsistencies, to say the least. A few, but not all the, examples:

(i) When the existence of some of the documents were first leaked to the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post two years ago, it was said that they were all in English, which made experts doubt their authenticity, because there was no reason for them to be in English. Now, the IAEA says that it has Farsi copies!

(ii) None of the documents has a seal of "top secret." Why?

(iii) One document is a resume of a person in which there is a picture of the nuclear explosion on the Trinity island in 1945. Why? Why would anybody put such a picture in his CV?

(iv) Why would anyone who works for a supposedly secret organization in Iran which supposedly works on nuclear bomb needs a resume in the first place? Is he looking for a job with another organization in Iran, also working in secret on nuclear bomb, which is totally separated from the first?!! Or is he looking for a job outside Iran?!!

A scientific inspection of the documents only reveals that they do not hold much water. A biased examination, on the other hand, will find something out of nothing.

The IAEA has to ask such questions, because according to its bylaws it has to. But, just because the IAEA asks such questions does not mean that everything is suspicious. Iran was also found in six minor breaches of its Safeguards Agreement. A lot of noise was made, and a lot of accusations flew. Now, all those have been clarified, and nothing came out of them.

Priority

All the counties must be disarmed from nuclear and chemical weapons! Starting with America and Israel since they have used and killed millions!
IAEA and UN are being played and kept busy with false allegation toward Iran so the west and Israel can continue their genocide.
Disarming and stopping these genocides should be the priority not Iran's nuclear energy.
West and Israel should be punished for all the crimes they have committed by the international community!!!

Any Iranian who feels

Any Iranian who feels sympathy for the IRI, who thinks the IRI is a victim of “Western” powers, who think what IRI is doing is justified, is the biggest warmongerer of them all for plenty of obvious reasons. Just to say one of them, because of the fascist nature of the IRI, the world community, including the vast majority of Iranians, have realized that this regime needs to go. Obviously the world lets the people of Iran themselves take action in overthrowing this regime, who has hurt Iranians first and foremost more than anyone else. Now if we don’t take action, or if more articles like this is written and published, the world will simply wash their hands of any hope depending on the Iranian people. So, they will interfere and as result, death and destruction and war will be brought upon us. And for all of you that either naively or out of ill intentions claim that IRI is not pursuing atomic bomb, couple of days ago IAEA clearly stated that Iran is not releasing all the information we’re asking them to regarding questions they have about possible nuclear military activities.

Standing for our rights

What we are standing for, is our rights not what anyone including Obama's opinion on Iran. Obama seems to be the best hope for peace. As much as we like to see him and others to have a reasonable approach toward Iran, they can very well under pressure suddenly have a radical opinion toward Iran. Then Obama's public support and anti Iraq war speeches can be used against Iran.
That is why Americans and Iranians should go with what is right and actions not just what is said.
Same goes to Al Baradei. He has been standing for truth so far, but under pressure he might give up. So just as we give them credit, at the same time we should not give them too much credit that if they turned against us, it doesn't affect us much.
We should emphasize that nuclear energy is every countries rights specially ours, since we are a member of IAEA. We should push for disarming other countries from use and manufacturing of nuclear and chemical weapons through UN and IAEA. This will also prove that we are against manufacturing of such weapons.

That is why the mullahs

That is why the mullahs supported Ahmad Shah Masoud in Afghanistan, and support Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in the occupied Palestinian territories, various factions in Iraq, and made strategic alliance with Syria."

What a load of crap! What do you take us for??? We are Iranians not Lefty Americans.

Here is the link to Trita

Here is the link to Trita Parsi's excerpt:

//www.nybooks.com/articles/20651

P.S, my extended evisceration of Nima was censored. I guess Nima can call me a shill on neocon's payroll but I can't comment on his unoriginal underthought incandescent rage of khodi.

Below is an excerpt from

Below is an excerpt from Trita Parsi' book. He unintentionally builds a case for why the US should see Iran as a threat to its national and economic security:

Of all the unintended consequences of the Iraq war, Iran's strategic victory is the most far-reaching. In establishing the border between the Ottoman Empire and the Persian Empire in 1639, the Treaty of Qasr-i-Shirin demarcated the boundary between Sunni-ruled lands and Shiite-ruled lands. For eight years of brutal warfare in the 1980s, Iran tried to breach that line but could not. (At the time, the Reagan administration supported Saddam Hussein precisely because it feared the strategic consequences of an Iraq dominated by Iran's allies.) The 2003 US invasion of Iraq accomplished what Khomeini's army could not. Today, the Shiite-controlled lands extend to the borders of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Bahrain, a Persian Gulf kingdom with a Shiite majority and a Sunni monarch, is most affected by these developments; but so is Saudi Arabia's Eastern Province, which is home to most of the kingdom's Shiites. (They may even be a majority in the province but this is unknown as Saudi Arabia has not dared to conduct a census.) The US Navy has its most important Persian Gulf base in Bahrain while most of Saudi Arabia's oil is under the Eastern Province.

America's Iraq quagmire has given new life to Iran's Syrian ally, Bashir Assad. In 2003, the Syrian Baathist regime seemed an anachronism unable to survive the region's political and economic changes. Today, Assad appears firmly in control, having even recovered from the opprobrium of having his regime caught red-handed in the assassination of former Leb-anese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. In Lebanon, Hezbollah enjoys greatly enhanced stature for having held off the Israelis in the 2006 war. As Hezbollah's sponsor and source of arms, Iran now has an influence both in the Levant and in the Arab–Israeli conflict that it never before had.

The scale of the American miscalculation is striking. Before the Iraq war began, its neoconservative architects argued that conferring power on Iraq's Shiites would serve to undermine Iran because Iraq's Shiites, controlling the faith's two holiest cities, would, in the words of then Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, be "an independent source of authority for the Shia religion emerging in a country that is democratic and pro-Western." Further, they argued, Iran could never dominate Iraq, because the Iraqi Shiites are Arabs and the Iranian Shiites Persian. It was a theory that, unfortunately, had no connection to reality.

Iran's bond with the Iraqi Shiites goes far beyond the support Iran gave Shiite leaders in their struggle with Saddam Hussein. Decades of oppression have made their religious identity more important to Iraqi Shiites than their Arab ethnic identity. (Also, many Iraqi Shiites have Turcoman, Persian, or Kurdish ancestors.) While Sunnis identify with the Arab world, Iraqi Shiites identify with the Shiite world, and for many this means Iran.

The Bush adminstration's collosal debacle in Iraq has weakened Americas geopolitical position in the region and democrats and Republicans unanimously realize that this trend should be reversed... Meddlings of Iran in the Israeli-Palestinain and Lebanese problem does not help the nuclear standoff either.

The Islamic republic's acting out hegemonic in the name of religion, "Cause" will not benefit the nation of Iran and the Iranian people. The Islamic Repbulic is on a fools errands temporarily intoxicated by high oil revenues. The US can afford and will wage proxy wars for years as they did during the cold war but how long can the Islamic Republic afford to do that before the nation is bankrupt or vaporized into smitherenes?? The Islamic Republic needs to come to the negotiation table with the US --realizing her limits and the cost of war on the Iranian nation. Is the regime survival worth bobming Iranians with depleted uranium in which IRanians will suffer the effects radioactive material long after the Islamic Republic has supposedly consolidated his power and crushes the internal dissent?

Anonymousinc: Read, do not label, and respond

I posted a long comment in which I listed the problems that Iran has with the IAEA. At the end I also said that Iran must respond to all the legitimate questions. Before labeling me anything, tell me the problems that you have with what I said. The fact is, what I said is factual, based on the IAEA's own reports, and analyses by many experts.

Regarding the problem that you described:

Every country is concerned about its national security and territorial integrity. This is particularly so about Iran, a multiethnic nation, with rich resources, sitting in the most strategic area in the world.

The Shah made alliances with the U.S. and Britain to, in his view, protect Iran. Due to this alliance, he sent forces to Oman to fight the leftist forces, acted as the police of the Persian Gulf on behalf of the US, sent Iran's jet fighters to Vietnam, etc. All of this was to give Iran a strategic depth. One can agree or disagree with them, but one can see what the motivation was.

The mullahs are doing the same type of things. Iran can no longer receive the most sophisticated weapons from the US and the West, the way the Shah did. Therefore, with relatively weak armed forces, Iran needs strategic depth in order to protect its territorial integrity. At the same time, the threat of U.S. and/or Israel attacks on Iran has had a constant presence over the past 28 years.

That is why the mullahs supported Ahmad Shah Masoud in Afghanistan, and support Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in the occupied Palestinian territories, various factions in Iraq, and made strategic alliance with Syria.

Many of the things they do are, in fact, similar to what the Shah did. He supported Mohammad Zaher Shah, the Mullahs Ahmad Shah Masoud. He supported the Kurds, the mullahs both the Kurds and the Shi'ite. He did not allow United Arab Emirate claim the three islands, and neither do the mullahs. The reason is clear: These are all in Iran's national interests, which are those that are independent of the type of the government a nation has.

Before jumping on me, let me make it as clear as I can: I agree with some of the things that the mullahs have done, such as supporting Ahmad Shah Masoud and the Kurds and Shi'ites in Iraq, while not agreeing with some other things, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas.

But, we must also consider the following: The Shah did not have to worry about Israel, the mullahs must. Hamas, when it was created in 1989, was actually supported by Israel, because at that time Israel wanted to counter Fatah. It was only after the Oslo agreement that Israel started opposing Hamas. At the same time, whether anybody likes it or not, Hamas is far more popular than Fatah.

Hezbollah in Lebanon was not created BECAUSE of the mullahs, but with the SUPPORT of the mullahs. It was created in reaction to invasion of southern Lebanon in 1978 and 1982 by Israel, which created hundreds of thousands of Shi'ite refugees, tens of thousands dead and wounded, and a devastated Southern Lebanon. Amal, the main Shi'ite group in Lebanon at that time, had became complacent. It was not capable of fighting with Israel to expel it from Southern Lebanon.

Both Hezbollah and Hamas receive aids from Iran, but not orders. They pursue their own interests.

Now, without labeling me, if you can respond to these, we have a good debate.

Finally, I am not a Marxist. I have been a leftist all my life, and am proud of it. The left that I belong to has always stood for progress and democratic values. Not all leftists are Marxist. I am a practicing muslim and, therefore, I do not agree with what Marxism is based on, namely, materialism.

Nima: False bravado

Nima: I'm not going to be bullied. If you don't see killing Americans in Iraq, supporting and funding terrorists, and destablizing the region (see, Obama's stance on Iran below thread on his website) as a problem then you agree with the Islamic Republic's foreign policy against the US, then you should not decry vicitimization. If the Islamic Republic has appointed itself to take the "Great Satan" and the "Little Satan" to task, it is their perogative and nothing pleases neocons more than a little war on the mullahs. It is people like you with false bravado and hubris who will take Iranians to the slaughter.

Here is Obamas website:

//www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/#i...

what are the real issues?

Hey, Anonymousinc, we are jumping in our skins to be enlightened about the "real issues" you are lecturing "Mammad" about, but it seems that they have got stuck in your throat! So, now you are given a last chance to clarify yourself instead of making personal attacks on someone else's supposed ignorance about something that is still unclear!!! You are a cheat and a not a very bright one either. Your gangster NeoCon friends have wasted their money on you!

mamad: if you were not

mamad: if you were not deeply vested in your ideology, you would have had no problem to see the real issues. If you can't distinguish the ficitional narrative you have manufactured for yourself vs the realties of the world, then you're suffering from what's becoming more and more obvious that you suffer from what's possibly the most common Leftist failing next to BDS. You are obdurately, willingly ignorant of anything you choose not to notice. The actual existence of a fact or an event has no bearing on whether or not you will admit that it either exists or has meaning.

I suspect this attitude is essential to maintaining a proper Marxist/Progressive state of mind.

I suggest you read Obama's statement on his website:

//www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/#i...

Iran
The Problem:

Iran has sought nuclear weapons, supports militias inside Iraq and terror across the region, and its leaders threaten Israel and deny the Holocaust.

Anonymousaq

Since you know the real issues, why don't you enlighten the rest of us, and teach everybody - IRI propagandist and otherwise - about the real issues.

It seems to me it is you who is in the business of propaganda, because your comment is devoid of any substance.

The real issue is not the

The real issue is not the nuclear stand off between the two countries. It is much deeper than that. However, the IR propagndist conveniently refuse to disucss the root of the problems and inadvertantly guarantees the looming disaster over the horizon. Their hubris and ideology in seeing the realties of geopolitics in the region spells doom and gloom for the masses of Iranian people. If these people were really interested in averting the war, they would discuss the outstanding issues without resorting to deception and distortion of the facts. It is sad that we don't have one person on this site, who is interested in Iran rather their tired old agenda of saving the status quo.

potential mayday

whispering winds whispered a cloud threatening to burst in the vicinity of Ir horizon, your place I believe before the year ends. Prevention is better than cure. Pray to Allah for deliverance. If Allah be for you, who can overpower you?

UNITED WE STAND,DIVIDED WE FALL. 17P

The only response to these anti-Iranians is to disregard them!

All of the peace loving Iranians who aim at awakening our hamvatans from their deep sleep are wasting their time. Sadly, but true.

How many times do we have to repeat that the IAEA has found not one single proof about a weaponization program in Iran? How much evidence do you need to provide that all the reporting are the same propaganda that was used as a "pretext" to invade Iraq? How much proof do you need to provide that this so called "War on Terrorism" is a farce? How much proof do you need to provide that U.S. has absolutely no evidence that Iran is destabilizing Iraq or has provided arms to the Iraqis? How many times do you have to provide proof that Ahmadinejad never said he or the Iranian government wants to destroy Iraq?

These people don't give a damn about the truth, they want the U.S., Israel or any other country as well as any terrorist organization be it the MEK, Jundallah, PJAK, Al-Qaeda, Talibans etc. to bring about regime change at any and all cost.

You have the same chance of changing the mind of Dick Cheney, Bush, and the rest of the neocons as you have with some of the Iranians on this site.

Forget about this minority Iranian group. The American public is far more open in learning the truth, about all the lies, and propaganda that the Bush Admin. has been feeding them. They have no interest in going down the same path of an Iraq redo.

The US economy is in a mess (an understatement), the country has to print paper with no back-up to pay for the the catastrophic war in Iraq, all the while they are losing their homes, their jobs, there is no infrastructure rebuilding in the U.S., they have lost many of their rights under the U.S. Constitution as a result of the Bush White House and neocon policy of instilling fear to silence the American people; the U.S. has become a pariah State and a once proud people feel the pain of how much they are hated and blamed for their governments disgraceful actions.

I would advise you to re-direct your attention, time, energy, resources on educating the American majority.

Sometimes there is no cause

Its interesting when some one (especially a child) comes down with leukemia. You scratch your head, genetics or exposure in the environment and so on..., yet it comes down to no sure answer. Its the same here, israel has over 500 bombs ready, USA has 10000+ they also have precise delivery system, many redundant systems, even if Iran develops a bomb (5+ years CIA estimate) it will be weaker than Hiroshima (60 years ago), now anyone who feels such a disaster is justified, likes Iraq war too, it will be a genocide and there is no doubt about it. Any reasonable person can deduct that it will NOT be any threat to USA, but they may try because of neocon belief for hegemony. However I think the American people have had it with these jokers. o-o

amerika va esraeel goh mikhorand !!!

khomeini

Hey warmongers, at least learn all the information

Iranians or ex-Iranians who favor military attacks on Iran can be divided into two groups:

1. Those who are "brave" and say so explicitly.

2. Those who are embarrassed to says so. So, what do they do? The next "best" thing: Attack viciously those who are trying to prevent the war, labeling them IRI agent. In other words, anybody who opposes military attacks is a mullah agent! The absurdity of the argument has no limit.

Most of these "nuclear experts" do not know the first things about the IAEA report, or the history of Iran's nuclear program.

After 5.5 years of the most intrusive inspections in the history of the IAEA of any country, the IAEA has not been able to find a shred of evidence that Iran has a secret nuclear program.

I read the IAEA report even before it was widely distributed, because I am writing a major portion of a report on Iran's nuclear program by an international group. The IAEA certifies once again that all of Iran's nuclear materials and facilities are accounted for, and there is no evidence of a nuclear weaponization program.

The dispute between the IAEA is, at this point, suspect, at best. What is the dispute?

The IAEA was given some documents that indicated that Iran had done some work on nuclear weapons 5 years ago. Now, here is the catch:

(i) The IAEA does not have the original, printed copy of some of the documents. Only, electronic files. Hmmm! It is child's play to create an electronic copy of anything.

(ii) The IAEA has not even been allowed to have any copy of some of the documents, printed, electronic, or otherwise. It has been "told" what they are! Amazing, is it not? Go ask Iranians this, but, hey, you cannot see what we have. Just trust us, especially after all the things that we said about Iraq turned out to be fabrications!!

(iii) Some of the documents are supposedly from a laptop stolen in Iran, and taken outside. Yeah, sure. There was a laptop, with all this sensitive information, just sitting around somewhere, with no security. Why the information should be on a laptop, God only knows.

Then, someone stole it, and left the building. No one noticed it. Then, it was taken out of Iran, and still nobody noticed it, and this is with Iran's intelligence services, that even Mosad says are most efficient.

If the laptop was real, is it not rational to think that the Iranian guys who knew its contents would be revealed, would start immediately developing explanations for the contents? These are the same guys who hid Natanz for 18 years, and that is a huge facility!! These are the same guys who have developed the sophisticated IR-3 centrifuge, which even the West is amazed at, the Same West that believed Iran could not do such sophisticated work!!

(iv) When there was the first talk of the laptop in the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post, it was said that the documents in the laptop were in English. Experts immediately doubted their authenticity: Why should they be in English?

Now, since this inconsistency was pointed out, the IAEA says that it has some documents in FARSI. Wow! fast translators at CIA provided the translation! Which explains why there are only electronic copies, or cannot be seen at all by the IAEA! It is even beyond science fiction!

(v) Iran is not even allowed to learn which intelligence service has supposedly given the IAEA the documents. Naturally, Iran knows that the West is spying on them. So, why is it important to hid the source? Its revelation would provide a check on the plausibility of the authenticity of the document, because naturally Ghana, or Boukina Fasso are not doing it, and only a Western country with extensive contact in Iran, or extensive Iranian emigrant community might have done this.

I believe that the Iran must respond to the IAEA legitimate questions, so long as those questions do not violate Iran's severeignty. But, these documents showed up ONLY AFTER Iran clarified all other aspects to the IAEA satisfaction. The West had nothing else to cling on. At this point, the only dispute is about these forged documents. That is it.

So, dear warmongers, first inform yourself, then start screaming. Also, have the honesty to say that you want military attacks on your native lands.

Unless someone produces eveidence of Iranian nuke weapons

or any kind of actual weaponization, all else is BS and Iraq-war style propaganda.

Don't believe anything you read from standard US media outlets, especially the stooges at New York Times.

akhoond loverz....

it seems that the mullahs payroll is getting bigger...
It baffles me that these "peace lovers" do not mention ANYTHING about the brutality of the mullahs who have taken our homeland hostage for the past 30 years. And when someone criticizes them for leading a one-sided discussion, s/he is called a war-monger and supporter of bush.
No one in their right mind wants iran attacked- by bush or anyone for that matter; BUT, and this is a BIG BUT, the fact remains that iran in the hands of the mullahs is being destroyed on every level- so for those who claim to be TRUE PATRIOTS, and want this nightmare to continue, YOU ARE THE ONES that need to go and test your blood to see if there is any persian blood running through your veins.
now we know where the mullahs are spending iran's oil money!

From: //wolfhowling.blog

From:

//wolfhowling.blogspot.com/

The IAEA has issued yet another report on Iran's march towards a nuclear weapon, apparently now frustrated with Iran's continuing prevarication and stonewalling. The report lays out the evidence that Iran is developing a nuclear weapons program, yet refuses to say so definitively.
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//www.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/world/middleeast...

This today from the NYT on the latest report from the IAEA on Iran's nuclear weapons program:

The International Atomic Energy Agency, in an unusually blunt and detailed report, said Monday that Iran’s suspected research into the development of nuclear weapons remained “a matter of serious concern” and that Iran continued to owe the agency “substantial explanations.”

The nine-page report accused the Iranians of a willful lack of cooperation, particularly in answering allegations that its nuclear program may be intended more for military use than for energy generation.

Part of the agency’s case hinges on 18 documents listed in the report and presented to Iran that, according to Western intelligence agencies, indicate the Iranians have ventured into explosives, uranium processing and a missile warhead design — activities that could be associated with constructing nuclear weapons.

The NYT - and the IAEA - seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room. Not only is Iran working ever more feverishly to enrich uranium, ostensibly for fuel for a nuclear reactor, it has no use for the fuel. The same is true of their heavy water plant. To pretend that Iran's uranium enrichment program is for anything other than the development of a nuclear arsenal is suicidal leftist fantasy that ignores all of the inconvienient facts and the obvious inferences therefrom. They have not even built any power plant to use the fuel in it.

//www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2137598,00...

The agency also said that during a visit in April, it was denied access to sites where centrifuge components were being manufactured and where research of uranium enrichment was being conducted.

Why IRan cannot go nuclear besides supprting terrorism and teaching its population to get ready for a global Jihad:

Discussion Panel on "Iranian Textbooks: Preparing Iran’s Children for Global Jihad"
Hudson Institute, Washington, DC, March 10, 2008

//www.edume.org/research/iran/index.html
//www.edume.org/docs/reports/Iran/Iran_presen...

Tehran University to Host Int'l Conference on "Israel's End"

May 22, 2008
IRNA
Mathaba.net

Iranian Justice Seeking University Students Movement and University Students Mobilization Basij will jointly sponsor International Conference on Israel's End on May 26th, 2008.

According to public relations of the above mentioned Students Movement, the timing of the conference is adjusted to coincide with the sad 60th anniversary of Palestine's occupation by the Zionists.

//www.mathaba.net/rss/?x=592982

//wolfhowling.blogspot.com/2008/05/obama-iran...

thank you for your detailed

thank you for your detailed analysis. I am curious to meet those lunatics who are criticising the author for advocating peace and opposing war. How can anyone with the least bit of dignity and humanity not oppose war? whatever personal grievances you may have with Iran's current rulers it should not blind your eyes to the horrific reality of war and sanctions. Fact based pieces and well researched articles like this go a long way in countering the pro-war arguments out there and deserve to be praised and promoted. thank you mehrnaz and keep up the good work!

Thank you for an excellent article!

Dear Mehrnaz:

Thank you for taking the time to provide us with such a detailed, well researched article. Unfortunately, I used to think that it is the American majority who are not interested in politics and crimes that U.S. Gov. is doing under our names. Sadly enough, I think many of our own compatriots are either far more ignorant, have learned nothing from the lessons of Iraq or are far too happy for see another illegal invasion by either the Bush Admin. or Israel against their mother-land simply because of their hatred for the regime.

This is truly a disgrace!

Please continue to write we need individuals who will not give up fighting for the security of our homeland.

The threat of war and

The threat of war and warmongering against Iran is unacceptable! No Iranian with decency would accept it! Iraq makes an excellent study. They began to suffocate Irak slowly since early 1990's and their house came down tumbling on them in 2003. I thought Irak was after Kuwait's oil then, but now it seems it was the other way around! And the nightmare wouldn't seem to stop for Iraqies! By the way, Iran compared to USA is like 15 adults trying to beat a 12 years old with sticks and knives! And yes, yes I am an IRI agent at worst and a Mullah apologist at best? Thank you!

The IAEA Report

Wow Truth-Seeker! You say that you have read it through the Fars News Agency and in Farsi, right? Well buddy, that is ENOUGH for me. You've got at your disposal what we call in this "decedant" American culture of journalism: The truth, all the turth, nothing but the truth.

:-)) Teflaki, now you can go home and smoke some more of the same Afghani Hashish believing that there is no danger to your mullahs' ocotapusian hold on our people, for after all it is the Fars News Agency, it is not Barg-e Choghondar, right? Right.

Ommate Hezbollah chanting:

Ma hamaeh sarbaze toim Khomeini
Goosh beh akhabar-e toim Fars New Agency (ghafiyeh bi ghafiyeh, it is the Fars News Agency in Farsi).