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Darisuh aziz, you

Darisuh aziz, you misunderstood me again. The reason that I asked why you were here is not to attack you personally, I mean I lived under the regime in Tehran, because I had to, so sometimes you have to, doesn’t mean you have to be happy about it. What I’m saying is when you claim that the U.S is anti Muslim, and anti Iran, and is the enemy of Muslims and Iranians, well, by you being here and being successful and by watching millions of Muslims coming here WILLINGLY and living here and making it using the facilities provided by the U.S, that kills your claim. Cause if you are anti somebody, you don’t provide the best resources for them to succeed, especially in your own country! If you are anti somebody, you don’t let them swear on the Quran when they get elected. What I’m trying to say is lot of claims that has been made in the Iranian intellectual arena for the last 50-60 years or so by leftists and Islamists that have been proven untrue and ideologically driven, by HISTORY and facts. And the problem is now that those people who were claiming these still try to hijack the Iranian intellectual movement by parroting those outdated, inaccurate and false claims. But a new scene has and is happening among Iranians which is liberal and democratic minded Iranians who were marginalized and oppressed by leftists and Islamist forces for the last 50-60 years by being intimidated, bashed and physically harmed, are increasingly waking up, speaking up and taking control. Main reason they’re getting support inside of Iran is because the other side’s argument has proven false, and the people in Iran do not want to go the same path they did in 1979 when leftists and Islamist allied hijacked the revolution and destroyed our country. You wrote” and the killing by some governments in Africa, that shows just how true these polls are!” my dear friend, if those polls were done by Fox News or Al Jazeera or Keyhan or what have you, then no one would even waste time listening to them. Those polls are done by neutral, well respected human rights organizations around the world that do not spare anyone from criticism, including Western nations. So the question is really whether you believe those organizations such as Human Rights Watch and Amnesty Int and Reporters without borders are neutral or not. You wrote” Has number 169 done crimes against political prisoners? Yes. But, by far less than crimes that number 12 has, yet look at your polls result.” Now it’s when you make up numbers. First of all that goes back to the argument about whos really SYSTEMATICALLY killing people in Iraq. I already talked about that. And then, how can you claim there are American political prisoners here? Why do we have to resort to making up stories? Show me one neutral report that shows there are political prisoners in the U.S?

Farhad

My questions and answers were in respond to both you and Ben. If you saw a question to something that you didn't say, that means that question was for Ben.
About me being here every one has a reason. My being is that I have investments that I must manage. That doesn't mean because I have done well I should deny the history and what they have done to Iran and are doing to other countries. I don't think any goverment is perfect. Just as Iran's goverment has some problems so does U.S.'s. Just because some people are willing to deny it and be quite doesn't make them right. It seems you and I are different. You see, self interest makes people to cover their ears and close their eyes to the truth.
My point of writting this was that nobody wants to blowup himself for money and bad economy. It is the injustice that convinces them to do that. About the polls? When they say Iran is number 169 and U.S. is number 12 and you see what united stastes and Israel and England are doing killing hundreds of thousands! and the killing by some goverments in Africa, that shows just how true these polls are! Yes there are alot of people killing each other. That is wrong and most of it is the result of the divide and concur strategy and some very hardliners like Ben (I mean ladin bush's body). Who killed over 100,000 civilians by shock and awe and thousands more in different cities? Same country hat polls show number 12 as you say. Has number 169 done crimes agains political prisoners? Yes. But, by far less than crimes that number 12 has, yet look at your polls result. Even one is too many and they should be hold accountable. That goes to both sides by a none corrupt and just institute! Not an injust court. But you seem to judge one-sided as well. It is amazing what a piece of pie can do.

Dariush, You wrote: “ou

Dariush, You wrote: “ou admit U.S. wrong doing causing not tens of thousands” I never admitted that. This is very simple Dariush, in Najaf, Karbala, Mosul and other places, the guy (and now these days, the girl) who straps herself to a bomb and blow her self up, 1- what is their nationality? 2- What is their stance towards U.S intervention in Iraq? 3- Did the U.S government give instructions or is it supporting their action? 4- What is the result of these suicide and car bombing? Who is getting killed? Do innocent Muslim Iraqis get killed or not? 5- What is the nationality of most of the militia groups in Iraq and what is their stance towards U.S intervention? How about you answering those question to yourself before making claims that the U.S army is killing “hundreds of thousands of Iraqis”? you wrote: Has Iran invaded any country and committed such crimes? who is the more danger to the world as you put it?”. Answer these following questions. 1- is invading countries the only threat a government can pose? 2- do you consider inspiring Islamic fundamentalism ideas, promoting and supporting guerilla war techniques among fundamental groups around the world, bashing and provoking major powers for absolutely no benefit to our people, initiating and inspiring a clash of civilizations, promoting hatred for non Muslims, brutally oppressing your people and keeping your country in a revolutionary state for 30 straight years..Just to name a few…a threat to stability, at least to your area of the world or not? Furthermore, I will refer you a world public opinion issues awhile back that most people around the world considered Iran to be the greatest threat to world peace (Offcourse the same poll said U.S is number 2, but that’s a different story why), so please explain how come such a peaceful, wonderful government like the IRI has led the people in the world to belief that they are the biggest threat to peace? You wrote” How is that you and farhad accept the flaws in united states, but you think Iran shouldn't have flaws? Has the constitution and freedom and democracy not been much much worse in united states in past decades than in Iran?” this must be joke, but let me answer you this way, because no more how ridiculous and outrageous, can make claim and define things based on their view, so let me ask you, what is freedom and democracy mean to you? Before you or I could talk about it, we need to make it clear how do we define democracy and freedom. I mean we’re not even gonna go to infinite number of reports published by various human rights organizations every year putting U.S in places like 12 in democracy index around the world and Iran somewhere like 169, but lets begin on how you define those terms. You wrote” You said other countries are copying U.S.'s constitution. Didn't U.S. copied that from Koorosh?” some aspects of it , yes, and we should be proud of that, but what has happened in Iran and what some Iranian leftists and IRI apologists are doing to our country is a betrayal of our humane ideas. Also, its interesting that you say that the U.S constitution is copied from Koroosh, which you believe was a humane individual, but you don’t consider the “copied” constitution humane?!!! Hmmm???!!!You wrote” who is copying their system? Only Israel” I beg you to do some research. The answer is NO. Many European and South American constitutions (now whether they apply it or not is a different story) is copied from U.S. you wrote”
What do you mean they created UN and etc? Who have and are these institutions serving?”.i’m only gonna give you one, out of thousands of example, was the U.S able to get an approval vote to attack Iraq in 2003 from the U.N? Dariush jaan, your argument is extremely misguided. By the way, one final question, if the U.S oppresses its people, and minorities like you, (As you claim), my friend, why do you live here? Isnt you living here a sign that everything you said about this country is false? If I had our world view, I would be living in North Korea now. But don’t worry, U.S is kind enough to help even countries like North Korea so their people don’t starve by their “people’s regime”.!

Reality still sucks

Rest assured there ara a lot of Iranians who do not support Obama!

This site and those who post in here are certainly not representative of ALL or even majority of Iranians or Iranian-Americans.

Re: Facts

I think the mullahs would rather have Obama as president indeed, but I don't think they would like him after he (if) would become president. I am one of the very very few Iranians who does not support Obama as president, but I'm not for anybody else in the race either, for now.

Reality sucks ...

Ben you said

"A future US administration that may leave Iraq hastily, or one that may be soft on extremism and terrorism can be worse than the current Bush administration that has proved itself to be incompetent in so many of the endeavours it has taken."

True but that is exactly why Mullahs and a lot of their closeted, semi-closeted, and open supporters on this site want a certain black man for president and accuse everybody who does not want him for president as warmongers, traitors, etc.

I certainly hope Obama is not REALLY as naive, as gullible and as inexperienced as mullahs expect him to be!

Mullahs want to take over Iraq and make it their own satellite state, then of course the entire ME will be in a perpetual state of war. Can't you see what they are aspiring for?

BEN / FARHAD

Ben, What do you mean exact quote? Read it again! It is clear.
You admit U.S. wrong doing causing not tens of thousands but hundreds of thousand death and millions injures and homeless and you say it is irrelevent?
You say it is U.S duty to take care of Iraq. That was not and is not the inention. Most people say it is united nations duty to take care of problems in countries like Iraq. U.N. which was against the invation and yet west invated Iraq and commited an international crime!
Has Iran invaded any country and commited such crimes? who is the more danger to the world as you put it?
How is that you and farhad accept the flaws in united states, but you think Iran shouldn't have flaws? Has the constitution and freedom and democracy not been much much worse in united states in past decades than in Iran? Doesn't the flaws of discrimination and crimes and injustice today exist in United States? So why when it comes to Iran we expect it to be perfect? You said other countries are copying U.S.'s consttution. Didn't U.S. copied that from Koorosh? who is copying their system? Only Israel. That is why they are commiting genocide against other countries without regards to human rights and aggrements signed, just as U.S. has violated many agreements they signed from American Indians till today! What do you mean they created UN and etc? Who have and are these institutions serving? Anyone but U.S. and her allies? Yes you are right about Iraq being extremely fragile for west but not for Democracy and peace in Iraq and region. For pumping millions of barrels of oil almost for free and creating a negative competition to crush OPEC and destroying oil producing countries economy. Mean while making them false promises and creating division for destruction and invation of every single one of them! Starting from Afcanistan to Iraq, palestine, lebanon, Iran, syria for now,then to other Arab countries and any country who does not support the "ONE WORLD ORDER". That includes south american countries, Korea, china, Russia and etc. Once west has the oil and crushed OPEC, they will stop imports from China and increase domestic manufacturing. This will crush china and improve U.S. economy and they stop paying the trillions of Dollars they owe to China, by simply accusing china to help terrorists and being undemocratic. That is why Iraq is very important. It is about "ONE WORLD ORDER,RULED BY ZIONISTS AND SLAVERY FOR THE REST"!
There is a big difference in what is said and what is done. I belive what is being done. It is not unusual for one tyrant to be replaced with another.

Dariush, eventhough its

Dariush, eventhough its democracy had flawes, and all systems of government, from far right to far left and everything in between, have had and always will have, flawes, there is no question that the U.S system of democracy has stood up strong for centuries. Just one, out of numerous, examples hwy, is that many developing nations around the world, have adopted the U.S system and U.S constitution. The U.S created the U.N, the U.S liberated tens of countries from tyranny. How can you be a tyrannical system if you go and liberate countries and assist them in writing a constitution for them that is in line with the universal declaration of human rights and principals of human dignity?

Re: Dariush

Can you please quote me where I have written those? I mean exact quotation? Thanks!

FALSE

Ben, I see a few errors in your posting.
1. You say U.S is the most democratic country in the past decades.
Then what do you call these discriminations in U.S. today and the slaying of blacks in the passed decades. Their whole history is full of injustice. You can find many countries in the world that are much much more democratic without comiting so much crimes and injustice.
2. You said Iraqis have been mistreated by Iraniand more than Americans. I can tell you first hand that is not true since I was in the war and we had hundreds of them in our camp. But when the Iraqis attacked Iran, they destroyed many villages and cities and raped and killed many civilians with the help of your democratic friends.
3. Ben? Iranian? your position? It is a shame!
This is not about peace and democracy! It is about "ONE WORLD ORDER, RULED BY ZIONISTS AND SLAVERY FOR THE REST"

If America could defend freedom, why .....

Ben
If in your thought America could defend freedom and in your argument America should be the bearer of freedom in the ME, why are Americans losing their freedom? America today is not much different from a third world country when it comes to freedom; a country that slowly but surely has lost its values and freedom in the hands of very few. As we Iranians say "cheraghi ke be khaneh ravast be masjed haroom ast". You should tell Americans, what it is that they are losing in the hands of a few and tell them to defend it. Us iranians know what it means to lose freedom amd we know how to appreciate it, but I don't think americans do.

Thanks,
Ren