Disrupting discourse

Chaos at Amnesty event, NIAC responds


Disrupting discourse
by Babak Talebi

On February 22, Amnesty International hosted a panel presentation and discussion titled, "Human Rights in Iran: How to Move Forward," in Beverly Hills, California. The event was disrupted by Mohammad Parvin’s MEHR-Iran organization, various monarchist factions, and members of the outlawed Iranian Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK); and was cancelled after the opening remarks.

The Amnesty event featured four Iran specialists (including National Iranian American Council President, Trita Parsi), and was organized to highlight Iran’s abysmal human rights record. Amnesty International organizers hoped to use this event to initiate talks with the Iranian-American community in Southern California about Iran’s human rights situation.

The MEHR-Iran, monarchist, and MEK groups in attendance rejected Amnesty International’s extended hand of cooperation, and instead embarrassed not only themselves, but the entire Iranian-American community. By setting back the efforts of one of the world’s premiere human rights groups, these radical Iranian Americans managed to do the Iranian government’s dirty work for them.

As an extension of our working relationship with Amnesty International—including NIAC’s own July 2007 conference, “Human Rights in Iran and US Policy Options,” held on Capitol Hill (transcript here)—Trita was invited to participate on the February 22 panel. In the days prior to the panel discussion, MEHR-Iran (a self-described Human Rights organization) demanded that Amnesty exclude NIAC from the event (a tactic they tried at NIAC’s July conference as well). Their belligerent harassment of Amnesty staff in July reached so high that Amnesty’s lawyers had to step in and put a stop to it.

Still, MEHR-Iran and its friends pressed on, intent on disrupting the efforts of a leading human rights organization. They organized a counter-event in the same building as the Amnesty event. This MEHR meeting became the breeding ground for their plans to demonstrate against and disrupt Amnesty’s panel.

An Iranian-American (and former Amnesty International board member) acted as the event’s moderator. His introductory remarks (in English) were met with a loud outcry from the Iranian oppositional groups, complaining in Persian that they do not understand English and demanding that he speak in Persian. Amnesty, an American organization whose events are always in English, had six staffers present, only one of whom spoke Persian. Similarly, the audience included dozens of non-Iranian guests that had come to learn about the deteriorating human rights situation in Iran.

When the audience settled down a bit, the moderator, continuing in English, reminded the audience that Amnesty was videotaping the event, and that no other recording of the event was permissible.

Chaos commenced.

Standing up and shouting in Persian, a producer with PARS TV demanded that, “on behalf of Iranian media outlets in Los Angeles,” Amnesty International must permit PARS TV to tape the event. As he finished, a few dozen people started shouting at the top of their lungs “Maarg bar Jomhoorieh Eslami” (Death to the Islamic Republic), very reminiscent of the “Death to America” chants we still hear in some quarters in Iran. People started marching around the room with placards held high, continuing to scream and yell. A few members of the audience started yelling back. One woman came to the front and insisted, “I drove two hours from Orange County to hear this talk; you are taking away my right to listen to this panel!”

Police officers, library staff, Amnesty’s own staff from DC, and about half of the audience in the 150-seat hall were all in shock, and were not able to control the demonstrators. It was obvious that the protesters only attended to disrupt the event—not to create meaningful dialogue. Amnesty International was forced to cancel the event.

With the announcement of the event’s cancellation, the most bizarre incident of the night erupted: Sparked by some of their own chants, the demonstrators started to scream at one another. Only minutes before, these groups were on the same side of the battle. Now bitter foes, the monarchists lined the room on one side, and MEK supporters lined the room on the other side. Profanities flew, as people chanted, screamed and yelled at each other. It was absolute chaos and an absolute embarrassment to the Iranian-American community living in California.

This incident illustrates the great frustration that legitimate human rights organizations have when working on Iranian human rights issues in the United States. Instead of being able to tap into the expertise and experience of the Iranian-American community, these organizations have learned to keep a healthy distance from our community—from the radicals still mired in the mindset and tactics of a bygone era.

And it’s no wonder why.

The destructive and disruptive behavior exhibited by MEHR Iran, an isolated human rights organization, does not legitimize the cause. Instead, by stifling the ability of internationally recognized human rights organizations to function in our community, these groups are actually providing a cover and a service to the very same Iranian theocracy they profess to oppose.

The February 22 Amnesty event, though shameful and tragic for the Iranian oppositional groups involved, has revived our conviction that NIAC has to step up to the plate. We have to work twice as hard with organizations like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch—as well as with groups in our own community who legitimately work for human rights—to correct the wrongs of groups like MEHR-Iran, radical monarchists, and the MEK.

NIAC urges the Iranian American community to engage in the same kind of pluralistic discourse we all wish to institute inside Iran. We can, indeed, make a difference. First, however, it seems we have to institute these democratic values inside our own community here in America.

Babak Talebi is Director of Community Relations at the National Iranian American Council.


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For the life of me, I don't

by Anonymous??? (not verified) on

For the life of me, I don't know why everybody here is "Iranian people's" self-proclaimed representative and wants to convey this idea that he/she is speaking on their behalf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



by Ali (not verified) on

I don't know why Babak Talebi would want to WASTE his time arguing with someone like you, who is ONLY interested in sticking labels and making false and baseless accusations against him and his organization and who is even questioning what his real name is?!

The Iranian people have lost too much time trying to reason with people of your mentality. I think it is time to just ignore those who don't know any other way of communication rather than making baseless accusations and sticking labels to others.

I know I will never be able to convince you that your methods are old, wrong and destructive...if anything, in your next post, you will probably accuse myself of being either being on "NIAC's payroll", working for the I.R or some other nonsense!


To John Carpenter !

by masoudA on

I can see that you have the best in mind for Iran - but trust me, your plan won't work in dealing with a country of peaceful Persians being governed by "having nothing to lose" Arabs.   


Babak Talebi

by masoudA on

First of all - save us with your "We are so busy" bullcrap - it is so annoying.    You dare call yourselves the "National" council of Iranian Americans - so you better make time for what "Real" Iranian Americans have to say to you.   I am sure you already learned enough - but here is a couple of more things you need to learn.

1- Only "Junior" level managers and salesmen in America use the "We are so busy" card in any environment.   Most class executives exhibit joy and anxiousness to be present in any room. 

2- The situation in Iran is dire - nobody in Iran is safe or capable of making any promisses they can keep - therefore the IRI officials will not and could not bring anything to any negotiation tables.   Non Iranians may fall for your "Democraticaly Coated" nonsense, but us Iranians know very well that negotiating with IRI is just as possible as playing chess with a monkey. 

3- I hope You Babak (if that is your real name) are involved with NIAC for $$ only - they offered you a better job that you could get in the job market -  if so, thaink of a Plan B - before it's too late.  



Dear Jamshid, You are spot

by Anonymous347 (not verified) on

Dear Jamshid,

You are spot on!

Personally and logically I cannot see how The Islamic Republic of Iran can one day deny its raison-d'être and the bases of its foundation, which are: the destruction of the state of Israel first and foremost and eternal animosity with the so called "Great Satan" and blaming it constantly for all their incompetence, corruption, mismanagement, and country's shortcomings!

If the Islamic Republic GENUINELY stops supporting (Financially and logistically) all the anti-Israeli terrorist groups such as Hizbullah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and once and for all stops its deep animosity with the U.S., it simply ceases to exist.

A lot of people who might or might not be lobbyists for multinational oil companies and/or with vested economic interests in resumption of ties between Mullahs and the U.S., seem to believe themselves(or want everybody to believe) that the establishment of full economic and commercial ties with the U.S. will automaticlaly eliminate all Iran's problems.

Then I ask why did the Shah's regime collapse in spite of having full economic and commercial ties with the U.S. and the whole world?


Iran is far from being a

by Britain lover (not verified) on

Iran is far from being a full democracy, but it is a great deal more democratic than almost any country in the Arab world or Central Asia.


Babak Talebi

Constructive Discourse

by Babak Talebi on


I must say, I am quite happy to see that there is a far more constructive discussion taking place here then I previously saw (specially Ali, Jamshid, and B-naam - and sometimes MasoudA). Maybe that is just because I have not spent enough time on the site, but overall, I think the discussion has visibly improved, and that is something we can all celebrate.

I could respond to each of you individually, but I really dont have the time. The staff here at NIAC's office, including myself, work very hard to accomplish our mission and do the best we can. Almost every day, you can see at least two of us staying in past 8 or even 10pm. And mind you, this is for NGO-rate sallaries (trust me, not very high). So to those who wonder why I dont post here more often(MasoudA), its simply because I have many more important things I am doing with my time in the office.

Meanwhile, now that I am here, I will try to address a few points -

1) Disagreement: this is a fully normal phenomenon. Every human society for all of eternity has had disagreements. Our community is no different. There are those, like PersianPAC, that see the overthrow of the regime in Iran as their number one priority. Great. They deserve and have the right to engage in civil society and the political process here in the US.

There are others, like many on this site, like our donors and members, and like millions of Americans and Iranians in Iran, who have noticed that this strategy has born no fruit for almost 30 years, and its time for a new policy towards that government. NIAC's views on this topic are no secret. we publish analysis pieces at least once-a-month and publish them on our website.

Our main posture is that without dialogue between the two governments, no improvement will occur. not regarding human rights. not regarding terrorism, not regarding the 'refaa' of Iranians living in Iran. Maybe you disagree with our position - then fine, do not become a member.

But MOST Iranian-Americans DO agree with our position on these issues. MOST Americans agree with our position. And MOST Iranians in Iran agree with our position. check the Berkley poll. Check the few polls out of Iran (by American pollsters).

2) Our funding: we have been very fortright about our funding. We have recieved no money from any oil companies or governments. In fact, almost 100% of the money we recieve from individuals has been from Iranian-Americans. You can view our tax-returns on our main page - scroll to the bottom.

3) The role of ex-pats: This too is an important point of discussion, and I personally think this quote by Jamshid was dead-on:

"... can successfully include the moderate elements of the
Shahis, Mosadeghis, Republicans, leftists and even religious Iranians."

But once again, I will repeat that this is not NIAC's role. Nor would these groups accept it if NIAC claimed that this is what we wanted to do. Our role is to help integrate IAs in America's system and to advocate, within the American political system, for the beliefs and positions that our members support us for.


In any case - posting here and reading your comments has been a very fun experience for me. As I have said before, feel free to email me in person. I hope I find the time to participate further in the future, and will certainly try to comment on here when I have the time (even if it is 3:30 in the morning)


Babak Talebi

Director of Community Relations, NIAC


"Promoting Iranian-American Participation in American Civic Life"


Direct US-Iran talks is the way to go

by John Carpenter III (not verified) on

The US should have direct talks with the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The MKO should be expelled from Western Europe and Iraq.

Reza Pahlavi should renounce monarchy once and for all. He should state that the Monarchy was abolished in 1979 in Iran for all time.

The Iranian governmnet should move towards a democratic republic.

Qom and Mashad should be given "Vatican" status.

Qom and Mashad will have their own government headed by a spiritual leader. And Iran will be lead by a President directly elected by the people. The Iranian president will be the head of the Army.

There should be an executive, legislative and judicial branch of government.

There should be two houses of Parliament. A Senate and a House of Representatives.


Re: B-Naam

by jamshid on

Thank you for your kind remarks.

I too believe that "real" change must come from within. However, this cannot be absolute. For example:

1. Khomeini and his entourage were responsible for moving the religious masses in Iran in 1978 while he and his entourage were living in Iraq. So those living outside could have an influence on those living inside.

2. The US "installed" a democracy in the defeated countries of Germany and Japan after WW2. Something that both the Germans and the Japanese people wanted but could not do by themselves. They are still enjoying and prospering from those "installed" democracies. However, this was one rare occasion where the interests of the US and Germany/Japan were intersecting and were the same. Because of oil, the same may not be true for Iran today.

My personal opinion is that those of us who are living abroad can have a great positive influence in the future of Iran. However, as long as we are stucked in the past (1953 and 1979 events) and as long as we are stucked with a negative attitude (lack of trust, unwillingness to take personal risks, etc), our impact will be at best a minimum.

I think the only successful movement among Iranians living outside that could have a positive impact in Iran, is one that can successfully include the moderate elements of the Shahis, Mosadeghis, Republicans, leftists and even religious Iranians. This could easily be achieved, despite of IRI's constant sabotage, if the past and personal attachments are collectively set aside and the future becomes the only focus, something that our father generation has failed so miserabley.


Re: Jamshid

by B-Naam on

Dear Jamshid, I stand corrected (about you not being in Iran for a long time).  Thank you for the clarification. 

I admire your attempt to be civil and look for solutions on your posts rather than attacking other posters.    I'm glad that you spend time talking to people while you're there.  That's the best way.  And I can not even imagine what the Kurds of Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria have been through in the past 100 years or so.  So sad. 

I agree with most of what you say.  I am just a believer in change from within.  Whatever that's going to happen, must happen from inside of Iran.  You may challenge me and say inaction form our side is irresponsible.  I will then say that we gave up our ancestral rights to that country the moment we left.  Despite everything, there is a lot of hope in Iran and modern Iranian history indicates that whenever Iranians tasted reform and freedom, it couldn't be taken away from them lightly.  So the story continues....



Javat Agha !!

by masoudA on

Not true fool
Labeling is when one accuses someone of something without providing reasons, my backward hamvatan.   See - I just gave you a good reason why you are a backward fool - so I am not just labeling you I provide the reason behind it.

As for our NIAC boys Babak and Trita -
It's interseting how you boyz have diminished into thin air not having the guts to come out and engage in one on one debates on the issues under your own threads - which is what this forum is all about !!  instead both you fools apted to treat Iranian.com as a propaganda tool - which proves yet again how clueless you are. 



Thanks Ali

by Javadagha on

To masoudA

by Ali (not verified) on Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:48 PM CST

Well, to point out at people and call them "akhoond appologist" or "I.R agent" or "Islamifascist" or other such labels, as soon as they say something you don't agree with, is not a constructive way to debate, just a way to intimidate your opponents.

HOW MANY TIMES, does one need to tell stupid MasoudA, Amil, Babk56, and Zion the same thing?  They do NOT get it. Something wrong with these people.

Thanks Ali. 



Well I agree with Parvin Darabi

by Babk56 (not verified) on

Well I agree with Parvin Darabi in the sense that Trita Parsi, Amirahmadi, Larijani, Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, Khatami, Rafzanjani, Khalkhali, Lajevardi, and and and are ALL Iranian and therefore we should, with our new found principle called "freedom of speech" blink blink, respect their opinion.

We, all of us, should also go on TV and defend the right of Ahmadinejad and Khamenei to build a nuclear weapons and by that "curb America's aggression toward Iran". Since there is NO, whatsoever, aggression, torture, killing, rapes, stoning, burning people alive, cutting hand and feet, public executions, (do I need to go on?) ,...... in our beloved Iran, which is run by these wonderful gentlemen, since there is NONE of these things in Iran, so we have to focus our attention towards US's unfair aggression towards our beloved countrymen Ahmadinejad and Khamenei and their wonderful, peace loving gang of hezboz!!! Ya right !!! Give me a break.




Re: Ali

by jamshid on

Quote: "shouting "death to" this or that, does certainly not disqualify a country to participate in mutual dialog."

It does. This is no way to participate in dialogue. How would you feel if Americans here burn Iranian flags and have a "death to Iran" day? I certainly won't consider that a qualification for dialogue. Would you?

Quote: "Just try to add up the number of people ACTUALLY killed (not just in slogan) either directly or indirectly by France, the U.K, Germany"

I fail to see the relevance. For example, would you advise the Japanese people to burn US flag and have a death to US day? Why should Iran?

Quote: " Iran's record on human rights has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the economical situation in Iran will considerably improve if the relations between Iran and other countries improve"

I agree. Human rights and economiy are two different things. Germany under Hitler was a prosperous country but human rights were violated plenty. However in general the better the human rights, the better the economy, simply because democratic governments tend to their people's need more than the undemocratic ones do.

When you say "relations between Iran and other countries improve", you must first define "improve", then "Iran" and then "other countries". If by "improve" you mean improvement in politics and trade, and if by "Iran" you mean the IRI, and if by "other countries" you mean the US, then nothing will really "improve" with the US until two things happen:

1. IRI's relations with Israel becomes normal,

2. IRI's "death to America" or "Great Satan" ideology ceases to exist.

These are two of the IRI's "pillars" for its existance. It may happen, but perhaps 50 years from now when the current generations are completely gone.

Quote: "If sanctions are lifted ... this will create new jobs, increase the wealth and improve people's lives"

I disagree. The IRI could have done much better for its people even right now while under some sanctions. But it is not. IRI's existance is based on these three: "Mollahs", "Bonyaads" and "Pasdars/Basijs". Most of Iran's wealth is in their hands. If sanctions are lifted, THEY will become wealthier while the average Iranian life will improve very little.

Does that mean sanctions are good? Not necessarily. Will it hurt the IRI? Yes, but not much, however it could hurt the average Iranian a lot. 

My opinion is that sanctions and so on are not the answers unless the people of Iran themselves want it in the hopes of making a short term sacrifice in order to gain the fall of the IRI or its reform in the long term.

It is not for us to decide.


Re: B-Naam

by jamshid on

You are correct, I do care for my country. Most of us do. We want a prosperous and free Iran where people live in peace.

You asked me when was the last time I actually went to Iran. You are asking because you are seeing a disconnect from life in Iran when you read my comments.

I do visit Iran often, mostly Tehran and also Kurdestan. That is why you don't see my last name nor my picture in this site. I have to protect my identity because of my anti-IRI views written in this site.

When I am living in Iran or even just visiting, I do keep an open eye on life in there. I don't talk much but I do listen. I also keep an open eye from a none-political and purely business angle as well.

The following are my observations and conclusions, not all of them are necessarily my own opinion:

The great majority of Iranians are unhappy with the IRI. They hope the IRI to be reformed because they have lost hope for its overthrow. They are too busy making ends meet and to bring bread on the table for their family. They feel they have no popular leader to unite their voice. Mollahs and Basiji types are not liked by anyone except mollahs and Basiji types. People are very much aware that "their" national riches are being plundered by the IRI. Additionally, they are very fearful of persecution if they directly engage the IRI. Most, are happy with verbal curses, that is for now at least.

The anti-IRI sentiments are even stronger in Kurdestan. I am sorry to say that, specially among the ehtnic minorities, there are even those who would welcome a foreign attack on Iran's soil, not because they are sellouts, but because they are desperate and have completely given up their hope in the IRI who continues to surpress them in every way and form.

The majority of Iranians oppose sanctions that would target the Iranian populace, but many do support those targeting the pasdarans and other IRI elements when you ask them. The majority of Iranians have no hatred against the US or Israel, again specially among ethnic minorities (which by the way constitue the majority of Iranian population and therefore should not be called "minority.") 

Those who are religious and did at some time wanted an Islamic form of government now prefer a form of government that for all practical purposes is a secular form, eventhough a few of them may still not openly admit it.

I believe perhaps less than five percent of Iranians living in Iran have the oppostie views that I indicated above. They are mostly the supporters of the regime and its ideology. The percentage is higher among Farsi people but not much higher. However because they have the control and therefore a louder voice, it may seem that this percentage is higher, but it is not.

These are my un-biased conclusions based on my observations.

I also would like to add that you are correct in that many Iranians living outside of Iran, both anti and pro-IRI, are generally disconnected from those living in Iran.

But more than any others, it is the IRI itself that is even far more disconnected from the lives of its own citizens.


To masoudA

by Ali (not verified) on

Well, to point out at people and call them "akhoond appologist" or "I.R agent" or "Islamifascist" or other such labels, as soon as they say something you don't agree with, is not a constructive way to debate, just a way to intimidate your opponents.

The fact is that whether we like it or not, the interests of the Iranian people does overlap those of the I.R in many areas. Pushing for economic sanctions, isolation or war against the I.R by the international community, will only hurt the people of Iran. And on the other hand, pushing for more dialog, economic relations, academic exchange, interaction between the civil societies...etc will benefit the Iranian people.
This is a very legitimate approach towards economic prosperity, democracy and stability for Iran, and accusing people of being I.R agents because of this view, is just a way to avoid to respond to the valid premises of this argument.



Babak56 (not verified)


مقتدی صدر هم به عماد مقنعه می پیوندد!

این است سرنوشت نوکران دست بسینه!

تریتا پارسی و هوشنگ امیر احمدی و دارودسته دست بسینه گان جمهوری اسلامی و و لایت سفیه ، آیا درسی میآموزند؟

نــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــه !؟


From: Alan
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:00 AM
To: Alan
Subject: Moqtada Sadr Dying in Iran


While the Main Stream Media has ignored the event, sources in Iran confirm that Moqtada Sadr, the Shiite maverick Iraqi cleric, who runs the pro-Iran Sadr Brigade hit squads inside Iraq , is in an Iranian hospital, in a coma after "food poisoning".

While Iranian and Russian doctors are at his bedside, sources in Iran state that he will not emerge alive! (Almost verbatim translation).

Interesting how this comes on the heels of Iranian President Ahmadi-Nejad the Turd's recent visit to Iraq . And his talks with Iraqi government officials for whom Sadr was a thorn in their side.

The quid pro quo for Iran removing the thorn remains to be seen. May or may not be in America 's favor but should help stabilize and reduce the longer term violence among Iraqis.

Iran used the Hezbollah to fatally remove long sought terrorist Mughniyeh in Syria (car bomb) to prevent him falling into US extraction team hands.

Sadr may have threatened to give up Iranian activities in Iraq unless Iran backed his deadly activities without reservation and also had a second strike of being a problem for Iraqi Prime Minister Al-Maliki, with whom Iran is trying to "make nice" for tactical and strategic reasons.

More details as and if they appear


Dear Ali

by masoudA on

You sound like an Akhoond apologetic - you just sound like one - I am not saying you are indeed one.   Stay away from the bastards - since close to the mullahs is nowhere you want to be.   As you can see - neither Trita nor Babak have what it takes to provide anything resembling a defense of their idealogies and political stances here on this forum - then why do you insisit to take the fall for them ?  Try and I will be more tahn happy to sink you where you may - but this is  not you battle buddy - let them fight their own battles,  


Dear Ali

by masoudA on

You sound like an Akhoond apologetic - you just sound like one - I am not saying you are indeed one.   Stay away from the bastards - since close to the mullahs is nowhere you want to be.   As you can see - neither Trita nor Babak have what it takes to provide anything resembling a defense of their idealogies and political stances here on this forum - then why do you insisit to take the fall for them ?  Try and I will be more tahn happy to sink you where you may - but this is  not you battle buddy - let them fight their own battles,  


Dear Ali

by masoudA on

You sound like an Akhoond apologetic - you just sound like one - I am not saying you are indeed one.   Stay away from the bastards - since close to the mullahs is nowhere you want to be.   As you can see - neither Trita nor Babak have what it takes to provide anything resembling a defense of their idealogies and political stances here on this forum - then why do you insisit to take the fall for them ?  Try and I will be more tahn happy to sink you where you may - but this is  not you battle buddy - let them fight their own battles,  


To jamshid

by Ali (not verified) on

Dear Jamshid, first, shouting "death to" this or that, does certainly not disqualify a country to participate in mutual dialog.

Just try to add up the number of people ACTUALLY killed (not just in slogan) either directly or indirectly by France, the U.K, Germany, the United-State and Russia in the past century in various parts of the world (Africa, South America, East Asia, middle-east...etc) and you'll see that the number is great that it is almost impossible to do so. But this doesn't mean that they can not have relations with other countries, even those they devastated, exploited and nuked in the past. So, building relations and at least directly "talking" to other countries is an absolute necessity in creating stability and peace. And again, shouting "death to" this or that, does certainly not disqualify a country from participating in mutual dialog.

Secondly, Iran's record on human rights has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the economical situation in Iran will considerably improve if the relations between Iran and other countries improve. If sanctions are lifted and foreign private investments start to flow and new technologies are introduced...etc this will create new jobs, increase the wealth and improve people's lives. We can not just dismiss this fact by throwing a few sensationalist slogans about the crimes of the regime. And if there is corruption in the system, it is partly due to the excessive involvement of the government in all economy sectors and this will decrease by encouraging private investments from outside.

Anyway, we need to analyze Iran's situation in a more pragmatic and scientific way, the old political jargon and sensationalist slogans and cliches have frankly become draining!!


Beijing Update: No Progress

by Anonymousm (not verified) on

Beijing Update: No Progress in Human Rights
Six months ahead of the 2008 Beijing Summer Olympic Games, Reporters Without Borders has issued an update on human rights in China that is sharply critical of the government. Tendai Maphosa reports from London.



RE:benam Normalization/trade/

by Anonymousm (not verified) on


Normalization/trade/free market economy can be used to build and support a prosperous democracy for all strata of population , but not in a 'free trade' without any strings attached concept. Trade for the sake of trade ends up supporting tyrannies. What can be done is to deny trade to authoritarian or tyrannical governments and deny them the benefits of trade with us.

What you're suggesting is a form of mollification of populations with goods so that Western Countries (including U.S.) may profit and that government have no reason to wish to change to something more representative. Profit garnered from those under repressive regimes ensures that those regimes have no incentive to ever become less repressive. The EU has been our largest trade partner and so far it hasn't helped either democracy or prosperity in the Islamic Republic.

The U.S. will gain by the suffering of others when we give such support and we lessen our Universal message of Liberty and Freedom via representative democracy with republican government.

That system has worked so well in Vietnam and China that they remain just about where they were when we started trading/noramlizing relations with them! For example, the poor chinese are worst off (they are no longer able to live off their land) than before the normalization. The income disparity is at all time high, and the almost slave-like situation of workers in china and Vietnam have only enriched the communist elite in China and U.S. tansnational corporations.


Jamshid, may I ask you a question?

by B-Naam on

I have been reading your comments on iranian.com for a while now and although I don't always agree with you, your comments are genuine and you stay away from personal attacks and slandering for the most part.  Judging form your comments, You also care deeply about our homeland.  But I always wonder.  When was the last time you actually went to Iran and spent some time there, walked the streets, talked to Iranians from different walks of life?  What I see consistently in your comments is a disconnect from life there and it seems like you get your information through secondary sources.  While a lot of what you post here is true, it's only a small part of the whole picture. 


Re: Ali

by jamshid on

Quote: "creating a constructive dialog between the United-States and Iran .... could lead toward an economic prosperity... it will also create some stability for the entire world."

Your statement is false, more than that, it is "proven" false.

A regime that has a "death to X and Y" day in its calendar, that burns other countries flags, that supports terrorism, that takes hostages, can never contribute to regional stability.

Additionaly, a regime that imprisons, tortures, executes, stones, lashes, amputates, steals, confiscates and suppresses its own citizens can never lead them to "prosperity", it can, has and always will lead them to abject proverty, rampant corruption and absolute terror.

We can see my "proof" in Iran today. However, I do admit that there are some Iranians that are "prospering", notably many bacheh akhoond or baazaaris, and basijis. Unfortunately for them, they represent only a tiny minority, the ruling oppressors.


To masoudA

by Ali (not verified) on

I am sorry but the goals of your organization "PPAC" as your are stating them seem very unprofessional and immature; "waking Iranians up", "removing the regime", "winning the physical war against Islamists"...etc are just bunch of meaningless slogans not real objectives for a serious NGO.

Plus, creating a constructive dialog between the United-States and Iran and improving their relations is goal that most Iranians and Americans support. Not only this could lead toward an economic prosperity for millions of young Iranians it will also create some stability for the entire world. If you were familiar with what really goes on around the world, instead of sticking to the fossil "monarchist" "MKO" mentality, you would know that all the American NGOs and peace activists themselves, the student movements in Iran and even the majority of political leaders such as Obama, are working towards that goal. So, accusing NIAC of trying to "normalize" relations between Iran and the United-States, only shows that you are more interested in your own political agenda than the genuine interest of millions of Iranians and Americans.


Dear Annanymous 100

by masoudA on

Good question You must first understand the fact that unlike Mr. Parsi or Mr. Hooshang Amirahmadi who get funding from all entities (like many Oil companies) who push for NORMALIZATION of relations and mainly commerce between the Mullahs and USA - we at PPAC are only looking for removal of the ISlamic Republic - certainly nothing that interests Mobil, Exxon, Texaco, BP,.... 

So our funding is limited to those who have the same interests as we have - thanx god.   Besides - in this day and age of advanced telecommunications - who cares where headquarters are ?  I hope you get my drift.  PPAC is only about standing of all Iranians next to each other - regardless of political views, religion, ethnicity,......

I hope you join and do what you can.  We have lots of work ahead of us to wake Iranians up.    We have already won (on the internet) the war of idealogy against the ISlamists - we now need to win the physical war against those who are ruling Iran by force and terror. 


Mansoor, You know it all, don't you?!

by farrad02 on

I know your type! You are a know-it-all Iranian! You know everything and you won't rest until everyone else agrees with you!  

You know how long I have lived outside of Iran and you know that I have come back to retire!

Doesn't it hurt your skull to know so much?! 

For your information, you are wrong on all counts!  You don't know jack!


Dear MasoudA Why couldn't

by Anonymous100 (not verified) on

Dear MasoudA

Why couldn't you establish your headquarters like NIAC in Washington, D.C. where Houses of Congress and the political center of this great land and possibly the world is, instead of Las Vegas?

NIAC and its members are right there in DC, day in day out, at the U.S. capitol, in front of the Congress to get their viewpoints across. What can you do in the West Coast, all the way from Las vegas?


MAnesh !!

by masoudA on

Baseless accusations ?   why doesn't NIAC come and dispute it right here on this public forum under their own thread ?   With little info you seem to have - and not that is unusual amongst us khoshgozaroon Iroonis - You must be careful not to attack or dispute anyone's logic and reasoning, who have followed Iranian lobbyists.  

And as for your Afarin to me - I derserve little - if you realy want to give credit - give it to our own Jahanshah Javid - running this open forum so you and I can debate and connect - a forum in which we can hold NIAC and PPAC responsible and accountable.  

 As for the NIAC/Amnesty International event which got over-ran (for lack of better words) - the boy Parsi did not even dare to enter the room - a room which for the first time was not "pre-arranged" to his likings!!!  The type of encounter him and other NIAC reps better start getting ready for - and I assure you it will all be in a very civil and democratic way.  

To NIAC members - don't hate me - I am trying to help you out of a hole - but you need to do something "significantly positive" and unselfish for Iran - if you wish for the general Iranian population to stop hating you in heart.   And believe me - you don't want to be hated amongst the much injured Iranian hearts and souls in the years to come!!