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O Midwesty where Art thou?

O you all knowing Islamist biker where Art thou?

Re: Anonymous4now

I am afraid you have a long way to go to appreciate what a self centered, hate filled, Israeli and yes Iranian bashing, holier than thou, slogan mongers these Islamist are. To try to have a civilized conversation with them is an exercise in futility. All you can do is either pull their leg or counter their fallacious arguments with pointing out that nothing but is expected of an Islamist. You tried and were quite patient, civilized and even sympathetic in your back and forth with this Midwesty Islamist man or woman and all you got was a merry-go-round nonsense in response.

Midwesty, excuse me for not

Midwesty, excuse me for not being so naive. Can you read again your response which I responded to?

"You critics of IRI"

In the end, what difference does it make who you are talking to and who is reponding, as long as you are being rational and factual. That, defines staying true to ones character. You exposed yourself by responding to an article with a bunch of slogans, and harsh words for Iranians, and I saw a flaw in your logic that I pointed out. You hit back with a general statement, to which I again responded. Believe it or not, I have a life to live and I don’t sit by my computer waiting for your response. If there is a lapse, it is because life’s chores are demanding equal time. I don’t write to get self gratification of Kicking someone’s ass or trying to win the contest of back and forth arguments. I am not out to make a name for myself either and that is why I am staying anonymous. I am only hoping that after 30 years of living in the land of freedom, people have learnt that freedom of speech carries with it the burden of responsibility and that people should learn to exercise it with responsibility and respect. You accused all the respondents as being “stupid and self destructive” and “to offer nothing but propaganda”. I challenged you to be more responsible and specific, and explain why, in light of your own personal experience, you have turned your back on your fello Iranians, as a "true lover of Iran".

By the way, I was deeply moved by your personal tragedy and, as a human being to another, expressed my genuine sorrow. You found it beneath you to respond graciously, and put your politics above it all and responded the way you did.

“Do you think we ever get somewhere with this manner?”

Anonymous4now,

"Here is my question, what difference would it make, if it were me? Does it alter your response so much that you chose to ignore my response?".

Yes it does make a difference...

Because the things that you’ve quoted from my writing were out of context and weren't written for you. My answers were directed towards someone else for another subject. I answered yours before and you stayed silent until the crowd of chickens started pocking at me. Then all of sudden you are coming back to me quoting my response to another chicken and want me to answer you? What if I am putting so much time into this and want to see some results. Not brainwashing you or being brainwashed by you  but some sort of closing. I am seeing myself facing anonymous people with some sick loaded questions attacking not my ideas but me.  

I answered you then this Fred guy came back. I kicked his ass then Anonymous something came up quoting my answers to Fred. I did her too no mention that she was also angry at my answer to her in another article then another anonymous comes up quoting my answer to her, I answered him back but all of sudden you are coming up quoting my answer to that “antiSemi” guy. Do you think we ever get somewhere with this manner? If you are registered, please go and come back with your registered name. I don’t care if it’s your real name or not but be like me and stay true to your character. I could easily come and bash you all with an anonymous name. I didn't because if someone at one point find it out then it would be a very embarrassing situation. Stay true to your character and take responsibility of your writings. We think we are anonymous byt people are not stupid. There are a lot of unique characteristics that we unwillingly leave behind. We might hide under an anonymous name for a while but we can never hide forever. That was my first and last time answering anonymous comments.

By the way I don't know if were the same age but my highschool was in the same area as yours. God forbid if we turn out to be a distant cousin...Khosh Bashi...

However Midwesty!

If this Shahriar Zanganeh is the same one who has a brother by the name of Shahram then his brother may have been my classmate in 8th grade at Khaarazmi III high school, in Tehran. That would make him a year older than me.

Does it change anything?

No! Midwesty. I am not

No! Midwesty. I am not Shahriar Zanganeh, and I did not write this article. You are making another assumption. I have written for Iranian.com before, under my real name, about Iranian history and the quagmire we are in. For personal reasons I prefer to be Anonymous4now.

Here is my question, what difference would it make, if it were me? Does it alter your response so much that you chose to ignore my response?

Anonymous4now,

I have a feeling that you are the writer of this article. Am I right? I am asking this because I am surrounded by two many chickens. For the sake of clarification and the respect for the readers answer my question. It is not going to make any difference in your safety, security or whatever paranoia that we, writers, might have. You similar to any of us are already in the open field and the name Shahriar Zanganeh is as Anonymous to me as the nickname Anonymous4now. We want to come to a conclusion and put this aside. Let's introduce ourselves. Hi, I am Midwesty and I have written some articles in Iranian.com now and in the past. Please click on my hyperlinked nickname. It takes you to my page. Click Track and there it is all my track record permanently recorded for the public.

Are you the writer of the article?

Midwesty, Mehdi, Soraya, Ammani, Daniel...

A bunch of IRP supporters who now looks for "evolutionary democracy" under the yoke of the IRI should once for all define first the democracy then their reasons for legitimacy of the IRI. and if the IRI is legitimate of the IRI to rule.
If Midwesty, Medi, Soraya, Ammani, Sadri...or any other of this bunch read this message we wait for your concrete clarification. Please avoid unnecessary polemics to divert from these simple questions.
Be once frank to answer these questions.

Dear Midwesty

Read your own response titled “SEE” again and tell me if you are not an unwitting victim of the IRI propaganda. You are making assumption and presumptions based on innuendo, rumors and hearsay, something Iranians have become too accustomed to do.
“You critics of IRI have nothing to offer except propaganda.” Can you be more specific? Here we were talking about torture, killing and maiming of Iranians. What part of it is propaganda? You corroborated it by telling us your own experience with the brutality of this regime. Tell mw, why is this regime deserving of your sympathy or defense?

“Your heart is not into it because you have seen no pain.” Do you know this for a fact or are you making assumptions. Surely you don’t believe you are the only victim of the IRI. Wouldn’t seeing the pain and suffering of others be enough to motivate you to put your heart into it? Cho ozvi bedard aavarad roozegaar degar ozvha raa namaanad gharaar.

“Your motivation engine is to support a phony regime in Israel squarely for the sake of money.” This is a loaded charge. What does any of this have to do with Israel? You are boxed in and assume everyone else is in a similar box. Don’t you see the dogma in your argument, simplifying and compartmentalizing everything into us and them?

“Since your motivation is money then you are neither consistent with what you say nor endure the harsh course. What you do is called hypocrisy.” Another loaded charge, based on innuendo.

You dismiss Fakhravar so readily. Do you know the exact circumstances or are you spinning on rumors and lending credibility to hearsay? I have read his book and his account of his imprisonment. It is no different that the accounts of the many women and men whose memoirs I have read. His response to his traumatic experience is to hit back as hard as he can with what ever method possible. Do you know for a fact that Pearl is his boss, or can it be more a marriage of convenience? You, on the other hand, have given up and turned your back on your losses and your suffering. Is it not more convenient for you to give up and forget the past, to minimize your hurt? Your response is clearly different from his, but should everyone forget the plight of others like you? Should we assassinate your character the way you are assassinating his? Too much of it takes place in political discussions amongst Iranians. If you want your political stance to be taken seriously and respected, you must learn to respect all political views and be willing to discuss them in a rational way. You may learn from the experience or may teach someone something new. Either way, it will be an enriching experience. Let’s agree to disagree, but respect each other as human beings. That is the only way to pave the road for a democracy.

Don't be like that, hop on

Don't be like that, hop on your little bike and come right back. It is a pity that all your knowledge in every imaginable field, according to all the many postins you make all over, to be taken away from the readers just because you are upset. Do your afternoon prayer and come right back. Come on you know you want to

Anonymous,

And you keep attacking my character not what I am saying like the politicians and preachers. I am not getting to your level. Unlike you I respect the readers of this maganize.

My applogies that I even got into the discussion with you. I guess people who wanted to know things now they can clearly see.

Good night!

Midwesty you keep changing

Midwesty you keep changing the subject and answer questions with questions like officials of islamice rpublic

Well...

I am not quiet clear if I got your point. Would you explain it a bit when you said, "ain’t it my brave Islamist Midwesty who is out in the open". What does "ain't" mean? How did you come to the conclusion that I am an Islamist? and what all this is related to the subject of this article? 

Heavens forbid Midwesty

“It's you people that think we are stupid” if by we you mean your Islamist brethrens, heavens forbid. Guess that bicycle of yours is a better hiding place, ain’t it my brave Islamist Midwesty who is out in the open.

No dude...

It's you people that think we are stupid to buy your words while hiding behind chicken faces...

Midwesty

Hey Midwesty dude, you showed your anti-Semitic hand too quickly. It must be true that Islamist won’t let any opportunity go by without attacking the Jews.

burden

It is pathetic that your argument style is exactly as Bush administration before Iraq war. While Iraq was insisting that they didn’t have WMD, the Bush administration was consistently saying the burden of proof was on Iraqis. Burden of proof on what? There was nothing to prove. That was the whole point.

See...

You critics of IRI have nothing to offer except propaganda. Your heart is not into it because you have seen no pain. Your motivation engine is to support a phony regime in Israel squarely for the sake of money.  Since your motivation is money then you are neither consistent with what you say nor endure the harsh course. What you do is called hypocrisy.

Resident Islamist apologist

You are the resident Islamist apologist; the burden is on you, I won’t fall into your threadbare Islamist trick, over and out.

Your comment had two major

Your comment had two major parts. Here is the answer to the first part:If whatever happened to me and my family at the time was at your present you wouldn't still believe it because you are a conspiracy theorist who would come up with some sort of explanations to satisfy your biased psyche. I know that because the way you use the terms in general and with propaganda style, “systematic murder, rape and maiming of its citizens”. I am not sitting here and let you drain me. You tell me what your personal experience is then we talk.

Another chicken

To Islamist all are chicken ready for slaughter, no I am another chicken. Start your Saturday morning Islamist crime whitewashing and don't change the subject. Go for it you know you want to

Anaonymous.

Are you Fred or somebody else? Forgive my confusion because all of you look like the same chicken to me.

Midwesty Islamist apologist

As someone who whitewashes the Islamists’ crimes it seems it is you who has to explain himself, and not just spin it by doubtful personal stories that cannot be corroborated. The Islamists crimes that you defend are out in the open, well lets hear you who professes love of the country defend the systematic murder, rape and maiming of its citizens.

Fred,

I've talked enough. Please enlighten us with your own personal experience. Go on! We are listening!

Shame on Mydwesty and alike

Shame on all Islamist Republic apologists who in face of nearly thirty years of unadulterated bestial brutality try to minimize it all. Elements like this Midwesty even refer to murderous Rafsi and Khamenei as the good fellows: “Rafsanjani, Khamenei were the moderate ones. They were the one stopped the crazy ones from doing more damages”.

Tahirih

Thanks. It is the thing of past. I saw the video and stired some memories. I assum you have lost some people too. My advise, look forward, be positive, and move on. By the way read also Shaer's recent poem. It was beautiful!

Anonymous4now

I have three words for you:

Wait 374 days.

//www.backwardsbush.com/

I feel for your loss Midway,listen to anonymous 4 now!

I am very sorry for your losses midway ,but we have to talk about it and make sure we do not forget!
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=egstHWxTYBI

Midwesty: I am truly sorry for your losses

I am truly sorry for your losses and the pain and suffering you have had to endure. The worst thing you can do, I think, is to turn your back on this injustice and to accept the ugliness of it all. You must not allow yourself to become insensitive to the plight of others, because that’s exactly what they wanted to instill in you. Please don’t give in. You must, must, seek justice, not revenge, but justice. You must not let your suffering be in vain. The pain and suffering is continuing for others. I don't know why you have come to the conclusion that IRI cruelty is a thing of the past. This regime still survives because of its cruelty.
We must stay on the side of good and fight evil. If only people realized that it is them who give these thugs their power, through their fear and isolation, and if, for one coordinated moment, they collectively stopped obeying and defied them completely, they could blow them into oblivion. Our fragmentation has given them their longevity and their absolute rule.

one reason...

One of the students that was allegedly tortured by IRI was Amir Abbas Fakhravar who after being released from prison went directly to Dubai to meet his boss Mr. Richard Perel, the prince of DARKNESS. I am wondering where were these guys when my friends were executed, my uncles and my family were imprisoned and my house was raided nights after nights. I am just wondering about the timing of all these havoc. People are now become suddenly aware of these that happened 27 years ago. By the way all the people that did those atrocities are all gone. They are all gone. Sane-ee, Gilani, Rey Shahri, Khalkhali, Hejazi, Ghaffari, Lajevardi, etc, etc, etc are all gone. Rafsanjani, Khamenei were the moderate ones. They were the one stopped the crazy ones from doing more damages. They were the reformist one. I can write a book about it but I don’t want to open the old wound. That’s the nature of a revolution. It’s like fire. It doesn’t matter where it stsrts. You should be lucky to saty on the safe side. Just pure luck. But I got over it. I decided to look straight. I didn’t want the pain to bow my back. I wanted to see things as they were not as I imagined. Many of you people that complain about IRI have never been in IRI prison and interrogated by their revolutionary thugs. I am wondering about the spin of the events that people who’s seen less pain complain more…