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Show your Support for Prime Minister

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Show your support for Prime Ministers action in Davos by sending him your appreciation; This is the link to Turkish Embassy:

//www.washington.emb.mfa.gov.tr/CommentsEdit....

Respectfully

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Way to Go!

Thanks Mr. Erdogan,

Your nation sees you as a hero and rightfully so.

Yashasin Erdogan

zIONIST need to beware of Turks. Just like Iran. Zionists think every Muslin is like Arabs. There is a general wakeup in middleeast.

Who can see the atrocitoes done in Gaza and go silent?
For what crime were those babies blown apart?

Actually Ertogan's put his money where his mouth is

with the Kurds whether for strategic or humanitarian reasons.

//iranian.com/main/news/2009/02/01/interview-kurdish-author-muhsin-kizilkaya-kurdish-trt

Problem for me is I may WELL be wrong but no one's gonna sway me that Peres was not a tsincerely ormented, torn man in that speech by bandying about silly hypocritcal ideas like Westoxification and the Ottomans being Gandhi.

People can talk all they like about democracy being restored to Iran because of things like Ertogan's stance at Davos (which I AGREED with) but it ain't happened yet..so...for time being, is stringing up hanged people over Tehran's main commuter thoroughfare during rush hour WestDEtoxification?

At the risk of being labeled

At the risk of being labeled as an orientalist, reading the comments on this blog, I do detect that muslims would like to have their own little brutal empire too, eh?

There is an old saying

If you scratch ottoman deep enough you are going to find a devout muslim. He is doing this shamorti bazi for domestic consumption, otherwise Turkey and Isreal have more in common and more in line together. When did the Turks ever cared for any body? The treatment of Armenian and Kurds speaks for it slef....

Westoxification's a funny term, you probably know

most of this but let's go through it briefly. It came from a seminal essay by Jalal Al Ahmad in 1962 called Gharbzadegi. Jalal Al Ahmad was a Socialist and he was highly critical of the Seyyeds accusing them of manipulating the devout. He felt that Iran turning excessively to Western technologies was dangerous and reocmmended a return to the traditional industries and handicrafts. The term was adopted by the Khomeini regime and continues to be used by the IRI and naturally by its critics to prove its nefariousness. At least that is my understanding hrough what I've read previously and the usual fast fingers google refresher.

There are contradictions. As a Socialist (with pro-Russian leanings) Al Ahmad himself was highly influenced by a Western ideology with focus on industrial devlopment. Its adoption by IRI carries this paradox of attitude toward the "West", especially now in the global age of all-pervasive technolgoies, including nuclear. The contradiction is inherent in those who are suddenly beginning to unearth terms here in a favorable light which I don't recall here before. Terms like Westoxification on this our fearless leader's westoxified website. Terms like our Turkish brothers who are Middle Eastern, not Western, which I feel is code for Muslim. Lavishing of praises on the frequently savagely brutal (and yes sometimes pretty  fair) Ottomans for their peaceful history. These kinds of "psychic splittings", of choosing terminologies and world views which are inherently paradoxiccal and picking and choosing and rationalizing them to suit one's needs is human.It's becoming rampant now imho since Gaza exploded.

Most of you see Peres at Davos as demanding, steeped in rhetoric and with "strong voice." to use Erdeguns words As a (strongly non-Zionist) Ashkenaz Jew I see him differently, I see him as tormented and torn and rationalizing these "psychic splittings" in desperation. I see him that way because I grerw up with people who spoke exactly like him not only about Israel but about many things, because they saw their lives and their recent history simply as one great tragedy. I can understand how people see him as "feeling gulty" or even "senile" but I did not find this "strong voice." I found him knowing he was weak, desperate and tormented.

Perhaps in perceivng him this way I am the one now who's guilty of the rationalzings and blinding myself to something that's patently clear.

It's Not OK To Kill Moslam Children

Israel will pay for killing moslam children.Their action will not go with out answer.It may not be tommarrow or the day after but they will pay for it when the Moslam world and their allies are strong enough financialy and militerily.And the next time jews are been killed nobody is going to feel sorry for them because the have demonstrated to the world that they are murderers and killers.  

to: rosi is roxy is roshan!!!

I read your longest comment and by all respects I don`t see your point! I am trying to understand what you are trying to prove by bringing and leaning on all those that you call facts beyond any reasonable doubts!!! if the Trurks killed this or that or if any other nation killed so many of this or that nation? you have so many points(or have no point at all) that they are all running in so many directions which makes it hard for someone like me to understand what you are trying to say.
But, since the topic is about the PM of Turkey and his frustration with INHUMANE actions of some people and officials of a certain country then I have to say he did well regardless of his nationality or his opponants nationality. But you also commented about living in west or something like it, IF YOU LIVE IN WEST AND YOU BELIVE IN WEST LIKE YOU DO, THEN YOU ARE MERELY ENSLAVED TO A LIFESTYLE AND NOT AND IDEAOLOGY. To live in west doesnot translate automatically in agreeing whatever it is that the western governments do or belive is right! and that is the biggest betrayal that Attaturk did to Turks which was enslaving them to a lifestyle and not to the real deal which is IDEALOGY, FREEDOM or how to understand it and impliment it. All he did was to make some women show their legs. Which seems it makes you happy and proud since you belive in the same things as LIFESTYLE and not what WEST really is? All the people that died for freedom in west or in china or Iran or Russia or the USA they didnot die for people like George W. Bush to advance their agenda because they are WEST, they died for FREEDOM.

To CD

Why should Arab leaders make their hands dirty when stupid Iranian leader and Turkish leader do the dirty job for them? It is easier for them to sit and watch how other non-Arab leaders fight for the Palastinian rights. At the end the Arab unity will cheered and Persian Gulf will called....... and we Iranians will pay for the consequences!!!!!!

Westoxification?

Westoxification? Eastoxification?? Both words are divisive and racist!

Well apparently yes and no Cap'n, fingers pointed yes.

actually fingered no. Here's a link I found. The part about the blanks is interesting too.

//www.ahavat-israel.com/protest/rabin.php

stupid Arab leader

The stupid Arab leader should follow Ordegan and leave the Forum.

?

Isn't this Peres guy same Peres who was fingered in killing of Ytizak Robin? Him talking about [human rights] should win him the Oscar nomination. ;-)

Turkey should be very proud.

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Shame on the Arab leaders!

Where are they to defend their own people? It's surprising that non-Arabs in the region care more about Palestinians and are more vocal about the Israeli Apartheid.

Senile loud mouth Peres

is getting nervous that after losing Shah, Israel might be losing the other western puppet in the region, Turkey.

Israel will not last long if the leaders of Turkey, Iran and Egypt truly represent their own people. Erdogan is the first Turkish leader who speaks of Israelis for the criminals that they are. Peres is quite correct to fear a leader like Erdogan, he could not conceal his fear through his idiotic shoutings.

The Zionist concerto

A while ago, just before the Gaza conflict, looking for some books, I visited some Turkish and Russian sites. However, what I found in there and its similarity to the propaganda efforts seen here were uncanny! The character assassination of Erdogan (as an Islamist) and Medvedev (as the Tehran stooge) by the few and yet vociferous Zionists and cheer-leaders of Pentagon seemed to be in line with the universally concerted efforts of making Israel’s case for war!

Now I realize why Erdogan was so hated by the Zionists, for they knew he's not a push-over. As he just demonstrated, he is a different kind of leader from his predecessors. He does not shut up and sit like a good boy when humiliated by the Zionists, he defends his nations honour! They don't like that, they like the likes of Mubarak and King Abdullah who are ready to jump when they're told to!

In here too, desperate losers -- who see their dreams of restoring monarchy all but vanished after 30 years -- seek comfort in the lap of the enemies of Iran and their heralds of bunker-busting bombs and surgical strikes! Wheat else can be expected? Desperate times call for desperate measures!

No Wonder Erdogan Loves Hamas!

Here are some statements by this Ahmadinejad type character with a tie:

"It is not possible to be a secular and a Muslim at the same time. They
are continuously saying, "Secularism is in danger." It will be, if this
nation demands it. You can not prevent it. The Islamic nation is
waiting for the rise of the Muslim Turkish nation. We will. This
rebellion will start."

"Mosques are our barracks, domes our helmets, minarets our bayonets, believers our soldiers. This holy army guards my religion.
Almighty our journey is our destiny, the end is martyrdom."

This guys days are numbered. This dirty rhetoric against Israel by a country that has ruthlessly  killed over 40,000 Kurdish people in the past 30 years is just a pre election ploy. I would not be surprised to see the Turkish military stepping in, as it has many times before, to get rid of Pro Islamic Fundamentalist leaning governments such as Erdogan's.

I agree with Zion that one should see the entire hour to get a taste of what was actually happening in this debate. I saw it and Peres delivered a great rebuttal and Erdogan got pissed because he could not reply with his prepared talking points from the likes of anti semites like Gilad Atzmon. 

We Love You Erdogan

For the first time I am proud of a turkish leader.

Free Phalestein.And just as it is not right to kill jews 

it is not right to kill moslames.

The Zionist concerto

A while ago, just before the Gaza conflict, looking for some books, I visited some Turkish and Russian sites. However, what I found in there and its similarity to the propaganda efforts seen here were uncanny! The character assassination of Erdogan (as an Islamist) and Medvedev (as the Tehran stooge) by the few and yet vociferous Zionists and cheer-leaders of Pentagon seemed to be in line with the universally concerted efforts of making Israel’s case for war!

Now I realize why Erdogan was so hated by the Zionists, for they knew he's not a push-over. As he just demonstrated, he is a different kind of leader from his predecessors. He does not shut up and sit like a good boy when humiliated by the Zionists, he defends his nations honour! They don't like that, they like the likes of Mubarak and King Abdullah who are ready to jump when they're told to!

In here too, desperate losers -- who see their dreams of restoring monarchy all but vanished after 30 years -- seek comfort in the lap of the enemies of Iran and their heralds of bunker-busting bombs and surgical strikes! Wheat else can be expected? Desperate times call for desperate measures!

Erdogan showed his real face

With the recent changes in USA and with the coming election in Turkey, Mr. Erdogan suddenly decided to show his real face. Israel knows her real freinds and cannot be fooled by tie-wearing and shaved face Islamists such as Mr. Erdogan.

Erdogan the hero?

I am not so familiar with Erdogans views but what I heard in the news was that he left because he was not given the same amount of time as Shimon Peres in a debate and in a fair debate that is a must.

At the same time nobody with clean conciense can say that the attack on Gaza was not inhumane and mass killing. So I do agree with Erdogan both on his  fury over Israel's attack and also him leaving Davos.

P.S The people here who saying what Erdogan has done for Armenians. Turkey has had a strong and successful lobby in USA to fight the Armenian calls recognizing the genocide in beginning of 20th century. That strong lobby is none less than AIPAC, the Israeli lobby in US.

/Bidar bash ke ma bekhabim

Kudos to Peres

Peres did a great job here in explaining the reality of the situation and exposing islamist jerks like Erdogan. Well done Mr. President. You made us proud today.

PS. Why don't you put the entire session instead for peoople to watch and decide?
//iranian.com/main/news/2009/01/30/davos-...

Merhaba Afandi

Bravo bravo
Can we give TEXAS to Israel and Stop the killings PLz.
THX
work for peace

Westoxication...

dear anti-Fish,

would you consider this website westoxicated in any way whatsoever? You ougtta know. You're on it, right?

Kurush, Shirazie/ /Dr.

Well Kurush, if you wanna go as far back as the Crusades you may as well go a couple of centuries further to when the Seljuk Turks INVADED what BECAME Turkey after over 2000 years of being Indo-European.

Yup, that's right, Shirazie, Indo-European, just like the ancestral Iranians. One tribe. Out of CENTRAL ASIA, from whence also emerged the Turks much later, then devastated in Turkey by your much-beloved "Asian" Mongols, the same ones who salted the soils of Iran and built towers of the skulls of every human and dog in the major cities.

By what standards do you judge Turkey's "Europeanness" or "Asianness" whatever THAT is (it's all one frigging continent anyway). By ISLAM? Islam's a reglion. Are the Chinese (besides Sinkiang) Muslim? Now don't contradict me, YOU SAID ASIA. Oops I mean Middle East. Ya know...like..Egypt...in Africa. (Christian Copts love the Egyptian Muslims, btw, like the Bahai love the IRI, only Copts were there a thousand years before Islam).

What is all tis crap about Europe and Asia and Antarctica. Imperialism? Colonialism? The Persians were colonialists before the so-called West and and your Asian/Middle Eastern (I read Muslim) Arabs werer the GREATEST slave traders of the middle ages (along w/their btw black African intermediaries on the coast, just in case you plan to throw Africa into your Asian/Middle Eastern i.e, not European mix...oh yeah and...what ABOUT Darfur?)

Get over these false divisions. You have a LOT to learn from Dr. Javanshakt.

One river One source.

Oh yeah it was probably Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania.

Turkey whatever. It's the site of some of the greatest Greek archicture in the world. And...oh yeah...the Kurds are probably descended from the Medes, your first great Persian (read Indo-European) empire.

Ask the Greeks and the Armenians what they think of Ottoman peace. The Ottomans killed 30,000 Greeks on the island of Khios 1822 in one day in retribution for the assassination of one Ottoman official.

Chew on it for a while. It IS about time.

Moderator wilI I Be Deleted in My answer to Anti-Kadivar ? ;0)

Anti-Kadivar Ask me your question in the Light of the Day and POLITELY without Aggresivity and I will give you an Answer as I always try to do with people ready for an adult debate .

Otherwise I don't Respond to ANONYMOUS Like YOU !

Kadivar adress the ISSUE!

Why does Kadivar never speak to the issue? Why does he criticize Erdogan for pointing out massacres by Israal? Why does he side with Israel? Why is he so westoxicated? Why? Why? Why? Why is he so fascinated with the worthless Pahlavi's? Why does he care about Farah, who has no role or say in the future of Iran and belongs to its past? Why? Why? Why does he post the weirdest stuff ever? Why is he on this website 24 hours a day? Why does he not have a real job? What does he think he is accomplishing? The problem with him is he has not seen Iran in decades. Has not visted the Muslim world and has no understanding of their sentiments.

FYI/Amanpour on "Genocide" of Kurds in Iraq (Turkey's Neighbour)

Part of a Series on Genocide 5/14 Scream Bloody Murder CNN Christiane Amanpour Kurds by Saddam Hussein in 1988(overlooked by Ronald Reagan's Administration):

when is Erdogan going to

when is Erdogan going to apologize for the Armenian massacre?

Or the war with the Kurds?