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Niloufar and VPK

The only time you can say a government is for and by the people is when there are fair and free elections.

IRI's interpratation of the flawed constitution of Iran does not allow anything that would suggest IRI is a true representative of Iran or its people.

When candidates get screened by the Grand Amameh rather than voting by the people and votes go missing unespectedly and they count 48 million votes by hand in one hour and there are more votes than there are voters and they shoot people who want to peacefully organize, you can't say IRI is anything related to Iran. I suggest you look at Palestine or Hezbollah. IRI represents them really well.

The problem we have is the same as when you get cancer. You want to kill the cancer but save the patient. If someone tried to shoot the patient you have to stop them but at some point you may give some poisons to the patient to kill the cancer.

This is the argument we have been having. Stop Israel and America from sucking the blood of Iran but then wipe Iran clean of IRI.

Let us all drink to that (Vodka would be nice hoping all Mullahs and Khorafatee to go blind!)

NP

• You put words in my mouth when you implied I consider IRI supporters non Iranian.
• Regarding IRI and USA governments you are flat out wrong. Neither the USA government nor IRI are the nations. They are the "governments". Iran has been around for many thousands of years. The IRI for 31. Many governments were occupiers or dictatorships. They do not represent the people. Governments are never the same as nations specially in case of Iran. Iran is much more than a government. With your logic if IRI is gone would there still be an Iran. Was there an Iran before IRI.

vpk

when did i put words in your mouth? am just questioning your reasoning.

the united states of america (usa) is america. the islamic republic of iran (iri) is iran. they both have constitutions, and that is where they derive their names from.

NP

• IRI is not Iran. No more than Pahlavi or Ghajar or any other government.
• Is the US government America? Is GWB America? Is IBM or Verizon a person.
• The people who support them are Iranians. I don't agree with them but they are Iranian.

live in a perpetual state of denial of reality

live in a perpetual state of denial of reality

Thus proclaimed the one who wishes to propagate the view that the IRI is a rising industrial and technological titan. Oh yeah. Cheers  :-)

vpk

if the iri is not iran, then the current government is not the government, and the people who support them are not iranians, and we can go on and live in a perpetual state of denial of reality until..., well, until when?

But please don't forget to

But please don't forget to also say nice things about Iran and Iranians some times

When I traveled to Iran several years ago, I was struck by how most Iranians have maintained their instrinsically human and Iranian sense of decency, despite having to deal with 31 years of this murderous anti-Iranian regime (I'm not religious, but I say "God bless them"). Iran: Yes. IRI: No. And the West-residing IRI Groupies who support a regime that they can't be bothered actually to live under are fooling no one but themselves and each other. Like I said to them before: Khar Khodeti. Regards.

VPK

Amen!! Damet Garm. On the points you raise here I am all behind you. But please don't forget to also say nice things about Iran and Iranians some times....

I am

reading the post very carefully. Some people are supporting IRI in the guise of supporting Iran. Comeon now we are all grown ups. I see it right in front of me. The IRI is getting worried as it should be. So it has suddenly found "Iranian Patrotism". After 30 years of trying to destroy Iran it has come to a head. Now they want us the diaspora to rally around them by falsely equating IRI and Iran. It is like equating a host with a parasite.

The diaspora have worked hard to prevent sanctions and attacks. I have presonally worked at both. But every time we get somewhere IRI undoes it. We had the sanctions lowered in 2000 what did AN do? He went off with his asinine big mouth and undid it. Now it is too late. I am not sure what we can do. I know the real solution is for IRI to go peacefully "ba zabooneh khosh". If they really love Iran why don't they step down and save us the trouble.

My friends are having their businesses destroyed thanks to sanctions. But what does IRI do: it decides to execute some *maybe* gay guy! Just to divert attention. Do I hate IRI: Yes. It deserves to be hated and more. Not just because it is an Islamic dictatorship. But because it is *stupid*. They might as well post an "attack me" sign on Iran!

In conclusion: IRI is NOT Iran. No matter how hard its cronies try to make it sound. Having a CASMII gathering is a waste of time and money. IRI leaders must do the right thing: step down.

vpk

am getting worried about you now. thought you were more reasonable than all this.

can't you let your other agenda wait in the national interest of iran?

Read

Veiled Prophet and Amir, please read the posts before you make declarations and accusations. No one is supporting IRI. WE ARE SUPPORTING IRAN and IRANIANS despite our individual political views. That is a point you keep missing. It is okay to dislike or in your case "hate" IRI. But defend Iran. It is something different than IRI. I am sure you get this point. God Bless.

Iranian Heritage

I am proud of my heritage; don't need lessons from IRI groupies. This recently found fake patrotism by IRI is sickening. Now that the US is breathing down their neck they become Iranian. I thought you and your Imam were "Islam First" types. What happened? Why ask the Iranian diaspora and not Islam. Won't Mehdi come to your rescue. What a cynical attempt.

Here is an idea: step down and let someone else run the nation. Then you don't have to beg us to save your sorry ***. With a non Mullah government Iran won't have to worry about US. But the greed is too much and Mullahs will never give up willingly.

Parsagarda, eloquently put

totally agree with you :)

Peace

Fake "Parsagarda"

The way one crosses ito being an enmey of Iran is one of these:

• Takes money from IRI and sells their soul to them. Example are the cyber groupies on this site.
• Puts Islam above Iran. Example is your Imam Khomeini.
• Puts Marxist ideology above Iran. Example is the MKO.
• Puts their hated of Jews above all else. Example are the fake Iranian / real Palestinians on IC.

In all instances it is putting something above Iran. Of course this response is not for you. Since you were not serious in your question.

  IRI's infant mortality

IRI's infant mortality ranking is either 119 or 155 (depending on the source). Its life expectancy ranking is either 103, 109 or 132 (again depending on the source). To the West-residing IRI Groupies who are spouting the regime's newly promoted pseudo-nationalist propaganda: endlessly repeating lies does not make them true. Too bad for you  :-(

BTW what happened to "Khat-e Emam" and "Eslam-e Nab-e Mohammadi? Are they still around?  

As we say in either "Lalehzar or Champs Elysees", Khar Khodeti. Cheers  :-)

Vatan Foroosh

Niloufar-eh Aziz and other supporters of Iran. Like Vatan_Doost wrote below, don’t let the few discourage the rest of us, making us believe that majority of Iranians don’t give a damn about their homeland. We are all proud of Iran and her love runs deep in our hearts.

I often wonder how someone crosses the line from Iran’s side to the enemy’s side. So you land in New York, Toronto or London. Look around and see the affluent natives looking down on you and your darker skin. They only mingle with you when they absolutely have to and always start any conversation by asking you  “where are you really from?” making you feel you do not belong. You see on TV and read on the web that Iranians are the biggest terrorists in the world. So you decide to deny everything that you are? From that moment on you try to be redder than red and show that you hate Iran so you are not really Iranian. Now you are a Berliner or a Londoner or a Canadian. That is so sad.

Whether you are walking down Lalehzar or Champs Elysees, whether you hate the Mullahs and Ahmadi Nejad or even if you love them, it should not matter. Don’t ever forget who you are and what Iran is. Be proud of your heritage and your nationality. Say it proudly. Even if you are ostracized, walk away feeling and knowing you are just as good as anyone. Even better for your courage to stand up for yourself. And if you do give in to the pressure and join the enemy, then admit it to yourself and leave the rest of us alone in defense of our homeland

actually vatan-foroosh

it is trends that matter not the numbers. the gdp issue only matters in relation to the direction that the economy is moving in. taking selective snapshots does not prove anything. iran's gdp growth rate has been consistently hitting the 5% mark for over a decade. this fact, plus the fact that iran is the 16th or 17th largest economy in the world today is enough to prove that she is moving in the right direction while the richest countries are moving in reverse direction.

comparing with the time of the shah, iran's economy:

- is less dependent on crude oil

- has experienced a more sustained period of growth

- is technologically far more advanced (among the top ten in the world in: nanotechnology, space technology, robotics, stem cell research, nuclear technology etc)

- is far more independent of external factors

- has a far stronger local technology base

- has a far more highly educated, healthy and with a longer life expectancy population both in quantitative and qualitative terms

and iran has achieved all of the above in the face of foreign interference and obstacles.

why do people insist on dismissing iranian achievements? ok i get it with israeli and american propagandists. they have a clear agenda.

but what's with those who claim to be 'iranian' and yet spread anti-iranian lies? it's pathetic.

Immortal G jan

When you type the link and embed it in your post there is really NO need to type anythingdo you Understand amoo jan? what you are saying to the audience is that just click on this link and you will see what i mean.

Can you complete a thought?

Doctor X add a parenthesis!

Doctor X add a parenthesis at the end! You mean you cannot even complete a URL?!

Immortal Guard,

I said GDP per capita, which is vital because it takes into account the size of the population. IRI's rank in GDP per capita (nominal) is between 85 and 89; GDP per capita (PPP) is between 68 and 71 (it was around 47 to 50 in 1979). Its life expectancy and infant mortality numbers are significantly lower even than that! How pathetic of the IRI, despite 31 years of oil and natural gas income and huge reserves (not to mention all of Iran's other natural and human resources).

But you have to put that into perspective given 8 years of war of attrition with Iraq, increasing sanctions, capital flight and brain drain and Iran's neighbourhood.

You can lay the blame for those factors predominantly on the savage policies of the IRI: "exporting the revolution"; Khomeini prolonging the war past 1982, because the IRI refused to accept anything short of marching into Karbala and then from Karbala to Qods (most of the death and destruction occurred between 1982-1988); storming the U.S. embassy and taking the staff hostage for 444 days; promoting anti-Western terrorists who bomb embassies, kidnap and kill; making "Death to America" and "Death to (fill in the blank)" its calling cards at its official gatherings; killing and repressing Iranians at home and sending assassins abroad to kill them in Europe and elsewhere. Should I go on?  :-)  

IG

Funny thing happens everytime i click on those links you presented!!! saying that there is no page containing the list countries ranked based on their GDP's.

P.S. Amir never even got close to comparing iran with Swiss and he kinda stopped right there at angola and Botswana. Do you think we are even competent enough to compete against those poor african countries given all the bad things that happened? It has been 23 years since the war has been over you know!

AMIR1973

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

Iran ranks 29!

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Iran ranks 16!

Again these rankings depend on the definitions used and are relative terms and not absolute terms!

Fanatical Islam serves as a rallying point for the masses. That's how they can capitalize on the religious fervour of the masses in order to mobilize them as "Einsatzgruppen"!

As far as standard of living and general well-being of the people is concerned of course I agree with you that these guys don't care that much! But you have to put that into perspective given 8 years of war of attrition with Iraq, increasing sanctions, capital flight and brain drain and Iran's neighbourhood. So there is no point in comparing Iran with Switzerland! But I hope that if no major war is imposed on Iran people's general well-being should improve!

Amir

You are debating with paid employees of IRI. This is a waste of time. How do I tell?

• They show up whenever IRI is under fire.
• They pick "ancient" Persian names.
• But they always take the side of IRI.
• They all sound the same; reading the same talking points.
• They want us to "rally around" the Islamic Republic.
• They hide behind fake partotism.

These methods may have been new 100 years ago. Or even 30 years ago they may have worked. But now we are much more sophisticated and more aware. It will never work.

I smell an Islamic Republic talking point from the first line.

IM: Do yourself a favor. Pick another name. You may have a better luck fooling people. But the Persian name combined with Islamist propaganda is a total give away. No matter it pays your 10 pieces of silver.

Immortal Guard,

Iran will become strong through science and technology and with that respect the transfer of knowledge from the European and Russian military-industrial complex will launch Iran on its path. The path will not be smooth and easy but Iran will eventually get there!

After 31 years of oil and natural gas revenues (including some periods with the highest oil prices ever seen--compared to only 5 years of high oil prices under the Shah: 1973-1978), the IRI has a GDP per capita lower than Botswana and Gabon, lower export earnings than Angola, and a life expectancy and infant mortality rate which are ranked shockingly low compared to many countries much poorer and "backwards" than Iran (shocking even to someone like myself, who expects incomptence, stupidity, savagery, and corruption from all the lousy Khomeinist factions of the IRI). I figure in another 31 years, IRI may pass Botswana's GDP per capita to attain greatness. Why should one expect a regime founded by fanatical Islamists, led by the Twelfth Emam's earthly representative and their armed followers (i.e. IRGC & Basij), and steeped in medieval barbarity (e.g. stoning people to death, chopping off limbs, flogging people 99 times, etc, etc) to behave any differently? I could say much more, but I'll leave it at that.

AMIR1973

Actually I think that you are absolutely sane;   according to your absolutist definition of sanity!

The fact that you are resorting to low-level tactics and hitting below the belly demonstrates your lack of logic, principles and courage.

I don't think that banking and entertainment and pleasing the Zionist-dominated media in the West by conforming to their framing of reality will make Iran strong. Iran will become strong through science and technology and with that respect the transfer of knowledge from the European and Russian military-industrial complex will launch Iran on its path. The path will not be smooth and easy but Iran will eventually get there!

The ideal situation of course would have been if the Pahlavi rulers had the breadth and depth of vision in order to keep Iran neutral and out of the cold war mess and thus disentangled! But unfortunately they neither had the intelligence and knowledge nor the spine and sold out Iran's 2500 years of monarchy to a bunch of stealthy, deceptive Zionists for whom they were no different than another bunch of dumb Goyims!

OK, "dariush"

You said:

"There are number of ways to fix the human rights issues. However, one will be effective and quick."

You said that twice without any hint as to what it is. Come on man... the suspense is unbearable. Do share your insight with everyone.

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IRAN FIRST

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Veiled

You refer to 1952 and wrote, "If Iran did have a decent and sane not even democratic yes. The West would not have an excuse to attack it."

This is why I call your book, the Book of BS.  You just don't want to accept the truth.

Then you lie that you have been to demonstrations condemning western support of Saddam. You show me one clip and I take back what i wrote.  You must have been attending the demonstrations against Iranians and in support of the west by number of oppositions. I guess that is how nationalism is defined in your Book of BS.

Face it boy, just as you kiss the west today, you have kissed it in the eight years war and after and you would have kissed in 1952. Once a kisser, always a kisser. just like DK, Fred, M Dog and ......

I am not defending IRI's crimes but Iran's rights, independence and sovereignty.  Unlike what is written in you Book of BS.

There are number of ways to fix the human rights issues. However, one will be effective and quick.

IG:  How do British

IG:  How do British stooges are allowed to  make an "independent and powerful" Iran while serving the Brits interest? Please elaborate.

Immortal Guard,

Must be a psychological warfare method!

Speaking of which, I think you could certainly use a psychological evaluation yourself.

Emam Khomeini sends his blessings and says hello from his "ghabr". Salat befres  :-)

Cheers  .-)

AMIR1973

We can only become independent if we can kick out all the foreign powers including Zionist Pseudo-Iranians like you. We can do that only if we become powerful too; whatever way possible. We have a better chance of acquiring technology through these British Stooge-Mullahs.

Now I understand why it was so easy for the revolution to happen in 1979! It must have been the fathers of these Zionist Pseudo-Iranians! You should all become honorary citizens of Israel. I think some of the names here belong to the the same person logging in under different identities. Must be a psychological warfare method!