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Shirin Ebadi & Akbar Ganji

Walk out to protest free speech award to Mohammad cartoonist

Fred: Kurt Westergaard, the Danish cartoonist most known for his Mohammad cartoons was awarded the German Media Freedom Prize [News]. The 2007 honoree of the same award, journalist Akbar Ganji and the lone Iranian Nobel Laureate Shirin Ebadi were to attend the ceremony. In protesting the awarding of the prize to Kurt Westergaard, both Iranians walked out. Sabine Sasse, project manager of the award event told Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty: “Kurt Westergaard is a symbol for press freedom and freedom of opinion because he stands for what he is doing -- and it's not right that some people want to kill him... Death threats are not our culture. So we fight for these rights. In a good democracy, it must be possible to have different opinions and discuss things." >>>

09-Oct-2010
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Niloufar Parsi

norooz

by Niloufar Parsi on

we all have our favourite (and not-so-favourite) opponents in this place. i see it as a sign of success if we throw the punches yet manage to acknolwedge each other's good intentions.

god knows, one thing we iranians need to earn is each other's trust and respect. got a long way to go. we don't trust our own reflection in the mirror, let alone our compatriots or our government.

no wonder then that an 'amazon warrior' like ebadi can so easliy be dismissed as if she didn't even matter.


norooz

Niloufar Parsi

by norooz on

Some seem to be deaf or blind and some suffer from amnesia. You give the information, next day they are here repeating the same nonsense.  Shirin Ebadi doesn't wear scarf and that should tell these fools her stance on freedom of religion. She has fought for decades for human rights and that should tell her stance on human rights. She has criticized IRI and west for the wrongs they do and that shows her independent mind and stance for justice. But yet these fools due to lack of their own vision attack her. Then they go on speaking of freedom. They are a confused bunch who don't know what they relay want. That is why after 31 years they are still at each others throat.  What is interesting is that most of these individuals are from Monarchy camp. It reminds me of the attacks on Mosaddegh. 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

NP jan: Interesting

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Honestly I was not aware of the US censorship but looked it up. Yes there were restrictions; totally asinine and unacceptable. I am happy she managed to publish.

Anyway don't want to repeat myself too much. I want a government without a VF; without pre screening of candidates and without requirements on religion. I will pick up her book and see what she says.

Until later

VPK


Niloufar Parsi

vpk jan

by Niloufar Parsi on

i read her autobiographical book a few years ago. she is quite clear about the kind of secularism she supports. and she does support it. i thought you were referring to new statements by her. hence my 'doubt'. far as i know, she agrees with you.

one interesting thing about her book: she had to take the american government to court in order to be able to publish it in america. the sanctions prohibited book publication by iranians in america. she overturned that decision. so you see, she has extended freedom of speech in america too.

Peace


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Hey Marhoom

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

many of those prophets were cuckoo heads

I heard that!! I doubt I am the last one; plenty of idiots out here to be fooled. In tarafa sareh sag mizani peygambar dar miyad. Plenty profit for prophets.

VPK


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

NP

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I have not spoken to Ms. Ebadi. I am talking about American secularism. This is a nation where 1/3 of the people think Bible is verbatim true. There are plenty of candidates who openly profess their religious devotion. 

The difference is that religion is not forced on us. Of course it is sort of required to get votes. But not by law; by choice of voters. I can and do live with that. Others like David ET have also made this definition. 

I don't know of too many nations that *ban* religion. I don't know French law. What does a religious party mean please define. I figure most parties have devoted religious people in them. So what platform define a religious party.

My reading of Ms. Ebadi  was that she wants an "Islamic Republic" but reformed. By that I mean a republic where Islam is supreme and required for high up jobs. Perhaps it would be best if Ms. Ebadi makes it clear what she means.


Niloufar Parsi

vpk

by Niloufar Parsi on

then aren't you misreading ebadi? she would have no objection to what you suggest. her opposition would be to french type of secularism that excludes involvement of religious parties. that's how i read her. i hope i have not misunderstood her...


marhoum Kharmagas

124001 prophets! (to Q)

by marhoum Kharmagas on

"Ebadi and Ganji chose not to stand for this bigotry and double standard."

Jenaabe Q, I do agree that no decent Iranian should attend these kinds of events, and give a $h!+ to these kinds of prizes, but at least in Ebadi's case, potentially not being able to go back to Iran (very likely) had a lot to do with her decision......, and understandably so.

Personally next time I get a chance to visit Iran, if they ask me about my religious beliefs I'll say I "believe" in god and all his 124001 prophets(*). I will not say many of those prophets were cuckoo heads and the last one is a cuckoo head as well!

(*)the last one is the IC prophet-the veiled one


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

NP

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I am not sure if we are talking about the same secularism so let me clarify. I don't mean banning religion or banning people of faith from going into government. I don mean a communist style "anti-religion" system where religion is harassed. Instead I mean:

  • No religion is forced on people by the state
  • No religion is demanded for holding a job.
  • No sharia law.Move out of the stone age.

Of course laws are influenced by religious sensibility. Things like banning murder and theft are partly religious. 

Now we had all of this under the Shah Why does Ebadi say we are not ready fro it? How come we lived fine with it for decades before the disaster of revolution.

Also:

To my eyes you are also just a figure on the internet. How do I know what credentials you have? 

Ebadi has some credentials no question. However I explained that credentials don't me you are right. There are plenty of professors with long lists of titles who are totally wrong. Kissinger has credentials and a Nobel peace prize! Do you agree with him? I don't.

 

 


Niloufar Parsi

vpk

by Niloufar Parsi on

now you are playing the victim in how you talk of islam. theoretically, i too can be executed for the same reason, but it is not something to take that seriously. it is hardly ever practiced, and even then usually for other reasons than religion.

i was not trying to insult you about shirin. was just saying that in my eyes you lack credibility as compared to her, and it is hard to take your rantings about her seriously. shirin has dedicated her whole adult life to the cause of human rights. her views on islam are in line with those of someone who truly believes in human rights. 

what's more she has the wisdom to see that secularism has a long way to go in iran yet. an iranian view of iran would not describe islam as a cult or something to be so terrified of. yours is a more american perspective. i agree with your wishes. but you are way off the scale on what can happen in iran.

shirin is not just ethical, but also shrewed in her approach. she is a judge, campaigner and lawyer by training. unlike you, i don't see her assuming positions that would carry little support in iran. what would be the point of that for her?

Peace


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Shirin Ebadi

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

was in a free country. So it should not ba a surprise for her to see non-Islamic things. If she is worried about her stance in IRI she would do well avoiding anything that is controversial. She messed up and now gets heat for it.

Regarding Islamophobe: Yes! I am a proud "Islamophobe". I do fear Islam as I fear fascism. Islam demands that people who leave it be executed. By that they mean ME. By Islamic rule I and 40% of Iranian Americans who left Islam are to be killed. 

I would be insane not to fear that! Islam is a cult that demands absolute obedience. I do fear it as I fear any other insidious ideology. What part of DEATH PENALTY do you not understand Mr Q? 


Q

VPK and Kharmagas, you're both wrong on this one

by Q on

The cartoonist is a bigot and an islamophobe (not unlike VPK). He has done nothing to deserve any award. Even if you want to say he was "threatened by extremists" that does not make him a champion of anything. Lots of people want to kill Ahmadinejad and George W. Bush, should they get awards too just for being targets?

Ebadi and Ganji chose not to stand for this bigotry and double standard. Anybody who approved of people walking out on Ahmadinejad, has no excuse to say anything against them, unless of course he/she is a hypocrite (Again, VPK).

I am proud of them and I'm proud of being Iranian at moments like this.

but the better option is to not bother going to the prize awarding.

What part of "they didn't tell anyone ahead of time Kurt Westergaard was going to be honored" didn't you understand?


Farah Rusta

جناب امیر کبیر

Farah Rusta


 فقط خواهش دارم دفعه دیگه که قصد استحمام داشتین از حجامت پرهیز بفرمایید که به مزاجتان سازگار نیست. همین.

FR


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Marhoom

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Now we get to the real reason. I have thought about this. It is about the only acceptable excuse for her. I am not "be Ensaf" but the better option is to not bother going to the prize awarding. But she went and chose make an "abro rizi". She only managed to damage her standing. 

One day the assholes who run Iran will be gone. Then we shall see here real position. I hope she is just acting for reasons you give.


marhoum Kharmagas

More hot air hazrate Peyghambar!?

by marhoum Kharmagas on

Hazrate Peyghambar, I could care less about insulting Mohammad or any other prophet, however I don't think Ebadi should loose her choice of being able to go back to Iran because of a worthless prize from these a$$#01E$. You and I are anonymous and we can generate as much hot air as we want from different directions and stick to some "priciples", but Ebadi is a high profile, known person.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

NP

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

You can insult me all you like. You have no idea what my "qualifications" are so don't put your foot in your mouth.  What sounds childish to you sounds reasonable to others. You are not the arbiter of what is silly.

You are the one who thinks Ebadi is a second coming. I think she is a human. With all the faults. People make mistakes and she does like the rest. Having a degree makes you no less subject to making mistakes than not.

Here is an example: Albert Einstein never believed in Quantum Mechanics. Why: because of his religiousness. He said: God does not play dice. He was 100% wrong. QM turned out to be the most successful theory of Physics ever. By your reasoning we would have dismissed it because a big name did not like it. I personally don't give a rat's behind what Ebadi and her kind think. She is an Islamist close minded enabler. If she got her way the would would be a in a dark age of religious fanaticism. This person does not think Iranians are ready for secularism. It shows how little she thinks of Iranians. I am ashamed to her as a prominent Iranian. To **** with her and the rest of Islamists..


Darius Kadivar

Well NP Jaan I guess we learned it from Your انقلاب فرهنگی ...

Darius Kadivar


"it's about a primary school kid dismissing a university professor."

 

Adab az Keh Amoukhtee Az Bee Adaban ...

Iranian Cultural Revolution

The Cultural Revolution (1980–1987) (in Persian: ) was a period following the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran where the academia of Iran was purged of Western and non-Islamic influences to bring it in line with Shia Islam. The official name used by the Islamic Republic is "Cultural Revolution."

Directed by the Cultural Revolutionary Headquarters and later by the Supreme Cultural Revolution Council, the revolution initially closed universities for three years (1980–1983) and after reopening banned many books and purged thousands of students and lecturers from the schools. The cultural revolution involved a certain amount of violence in taking over the university campuses since higher education in Iran at the time was dominated by leftists forces opposed to Ayatollah Khomeini's vision of theocracy, and they (unsuccessfully) resisted Khomeiniist control at many universities. How many students or faculty were killed is not known.

The process of purification of the education system of foreign influences has not been without sacrifice. In addition to interrupting the education and professional livelihood of many, and striking "a major blow to Iran's cultural and intellectual life and achievement", it contributed to the emigration of many teachers and technocrats. The loss of job skills and capital has weakened Iran's economy.

Amongst such eminent persians to have been dismissed by your Republic's Schoolkids:

Mahnaz Afkhami: A Women For All Seasons (VOA/BBC Interviews)

THE PRICE OF SILENCE: Azar Nafisi at São Paulo's Book Fair

Oh and By the way ...

Wasn't Mrs. Ebadi the First Female Judge named under the Pahlavi Rule only to be dismissed by the Childish Republic's new order ? ... The same Childish Republic which she endorsed not so long ago ? ...

Despite what the same Childish Republic did to a fellow gender pionneer of hers equally meritant for her endeavors for women rights and gender equality in her times ...

JAVIDAN: Farokhroo Pārsā (1922-1980)

So indeed it is not about hero worshiping but about fairness and accountability. No one is suggesting to treat Mrs. Ebadi in a similar way as YOUR Founding Fathers of the Republic did to the above lady and Many MANY others without the slightest sense of Justice !

But Has YOUR Republic been Accountable for it's crimes to date ?

I don't think so ...

Childish Republic indeed ...

Best,

DK


Niloufar Parsi

vpk

by Niloufar Parsi on

it's not about hero worship. it's about a primary school kid dismissing a university professor. it sounds childish and silly.

Peace


Majid

Fair

by Majid on

 

Did you get my e-mail?


Fair

Colonel Sanders, LOL

by Fair on

Never fails to come here and make a complete fool of himself LOL! Motherland?  Your motherland is the USA badbakht!

"Lion and Puss flag"?  You make fun of that and instead accept the current "PLAIN OL PUSS" flag?  Khak bar sare bevatanet konand, it just shows how utterly CLUELESS you are about the country called Iran, to which you WISH you had a connection, what a pathetic wannabe.

Here is the real LAUGHING STOCK that you stick yourself to. The "Islamic Republic" has taken Iran from one of the fastest growing economies and middle classes in the world in 1978, and transformed it into one of the most economically backward and pathetic states on the planet today.  Iranians at home line up to get the heck out of that country, lining up at the Dubai consulates in Iran being treated like crap.  When Dubai was not even dakhele adam to us back then.  This regime is famous throughout the world for hostage taking,stoning, beating and raping its women, and stinking backward ayatollahs.

LOL, what a pathetic loser calling other people rejects, you are nothing but a stateless terrorist, supporting the rape of the people of Iran. Botehye beereesheh keh harja bad meevazad majbooreh bere, Yeh amrikayee keh too khoonehye khodesh ham gom ast, cheh bereseh dar Iran.

Irani Meemirad

Zellat Nemipazirad

To na Irani hastee, na zellat napazir, na adam.  Dar zellat va kesafate motlagh ghargh hastee, baz ham hey bokhor, bokhor nooshe joooooonet!

Bon Apetit:)

 


AmirKabir

Farah Rousta

by AmirKabir on

جون امیر کبیر.
پرسیدید چی شد؟ فکر کنم ابش رو کشیدید چلو شد.
 نوشته قبلی رو من بدون خواندن پیغام شما نوشتم. خاطب من از  خود فروش سیاسی ملزومأ شما نبودید.اما شما به خود گرفتید و به این صورت گفته مرا به اثبات رسوندید. ممنون
 شما دیگه سن و سالی ازتون گذشته و به آخر خط نزدیکید. تا کی میخواهید به این خود فروشیها, وطن فروشیها , مردم فروشیها , حرس ,
طمع و دروغ گویی ادامه بدید؟ان هم بعد از آن همه دزدیها و قارتهایتان.
 لطفا انگشت مرا به رضایتان برسانید وبه ایشان بگویید که ملت ایران مشتاق دیدار ایشان در ایران هستند.
شما هم آنقدر به خانم عبادی حسودی نکنید و سعی کنید از ایشان درس وعبرت بگیرید
 
 


 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Hero Worship

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

is one of the greatest weaknesses in our nation. A while ago my good friend Farah Rusgta pointed this out. I hope others take notice. We did it with: Dr Mossadegh; Khomeini and now people are doing it with Ebadi. 

Some people want to put her on an unrealistic pedestal. I don't know what to say when I hear NP's comment on her. This kind of thing goes to people's head. No matter how modest one may start after years of hearing this kind of thing they get arrogant. No wonder we get so many tyrants. We practically turn a normal person into a tyrant. It is our doing as much as that of any one.

Here is how it goes:

  • We pick someone with some ability but a normal; flawed human being.
  • We pretend they are the "second coming". No one is allowed to criticize them. We think they have supernatural powers and are infallible.
  • Then after years this goes to the leader's head: you got a tyran!

I suggest instead we be realistic and listen to the advise of Ms Rusta. Be honest; admit people are human and not expect too much. Put the expectations right and it will be fine. Ask for too much and you will wind up getting nothing,.


fidelio5

Niloufar

by fidelio5 on

Ms. Ebadi is not above criticism. No one is.

Think of who else in our country is said to be above critcism .... Supreme Leader. If we are to be citizens in a democracy and not serfs or subjects we must be willing to criticize and question everything and EVERYONE.

 

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

NP

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I have not met Ebadi nor do I really have any desire to. I have read her positions and followed her actions. That is my basis of criticizing her. I do not give much value to personal magnetism. Maybe she is very charismatic it could be. For me it is actions that count not personalities. 

Shirin Ebadi is an enabler and defender of the IRI and political Islam. She is therefore an opponent of true democracy and equality of people. To me she is far worse than AN or Khamenei. They are honest in their devotion of a theocracy. Ebadi pretends to be for freedom while the whole time undermining it. When she claims to speak for the diaspora she is taking away MY right to speak for myself. When she says "Iranians are not ready for a secular democracy" she is overstepping her place. Who the hell is Ebadi to speak for Iranians either in Iran or outside? She may speak for herself and that is it. She goes around embarrassing the truly democratic and secular Iranians. Then we have to go do damage control after her inappropriate remarks.

I have one advise for her: speak for yourself and do not claim to speak for me. Or I will have a lot more unkind things than this to say.

VPK


Farah Rusta

بابا من که چیزی نگفتم

Farah Rusta


فقط یه سوال خشکو خالی‌! پرسیدم بعد یکه از حموم فین در اومدی چی‌ شد؟ همین.


AmirKabir

This kind of attitude comes

by AmirKabir on

This kind of attitude comes from the Pahlavi supporters.  We saw them beating each other on the link attached by kadivar and we read them here.  I call them the political prostitutes. They are always for sale.  Around holidays they go on special. You can  buy one and get 5 for free. Kind of like fire crackers.


mash Ghanbar

It is Mashty, See the "t" in there?

by mash Ghanbar on

Yeah Okay. I let you wallow in the satisfaction of Taking care of This Target and being on the move to the other one.. LOL okaaaayy..Whatever makes your dreams come true.

BTW Adios is Spanish. As Iranians we say :khodahafez. Golly. do i have to teach you everything??? you islam hating, super duper Mega, there ain't no one out theremore Redneck iranian than me. Ultra Patriot?

 


Farah Rusta

امیر کبیر جون

Farah Rusta


امیر کبیر جون
می‌‌بخسیدا ولی آخر خبری که من از شما داشتم از طرفای کاشون بود. ظاهراً در حموم فین مشغول آب تنی بودین. خوب، صحت آب گرم. بفرمایین بعدش چی‌ شد؟

 

FR


Niloufar Parsi

simorgh

by Niloufar Parsi on

i have met this wonderful woman. it was about 2 years ago in tehran, and she had the most amazing effect on me. for some hours afterwards it felt like i was walking on air. i have since then been following the news on her with some interest, though i would not claim to know everything that's happened to her since. she comes with an ocean of hard work, dedication and credibility. she is far closer to the heart of iran than any one of us lost in cyber space. the very least we can do is show her some humility and respect.

Peace


Simorgh5555

Niloufar

by Simorgh5555 on

The saying goes about duplicitous people is that they 'hunt with the wolves and run with the foxes'. That is exactly what Shirin Ebadi is doing. Unfortunately, Ebadi is her own worse enemmy: When push comes to shove, she will ardently defend the current political system. It is time that people like Ebadi and her supporters realise that Iranians on the whole do not buy into that reformist nonsense anymore. It's either change the regime or you are part of the problem. If you still defend the Islamic Republic or accept the system then I am afraid this negates you as being an Iranian in my eye.