Iranian of the Day

shameful to see

an iranian hero like shirin being spat on by some members of i.com.

Peace

Mashy

As much as I hate to abandon our little tête-à-tête ... I have a new target and he is an imbecile on a galactic scale:

Sargord Pirouz.

 Adios Mashy

Mark the White T..sh American ("Sargord")

Let me put it to you this way: the term "Islamic Republic" is an oxymoron...kind of like your entire existence.

And as far as Ganji and Ebadi, with the exception of MKO and foreign nations, I personally support any individual or group who stands up to the IR.  Remember 1979.  The only way to get rid of this regime is for all opposition groups to come together.  Division will only work to the benefit of the IR.

Look MarkM

or tarique bin-doosh. I am here because I really dislike those who advocate tyranny, and the creatures you support are tyrannical.
Whats' your story man? Is this job really worth getting the tounge lashing you recieve here for supporting a murderous anti Iran government? Shouldn't you look for a decent job that does not involve condoning murder and meyhem?

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IRAN FIRST

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"My family history is splattered all over the place on IC."

Thanks for the hint Sargord joon.  I found it spot on darling:

//iranian.com/main/2009/dec/rafsanjani-family

 FR

Tah Gord

I get the feeling you are deliberately acting like a jerk. None of us have been "rejected". It is not up to the Arab worshiping occupation government aka IRI to reject us. In fact COP and other like minded people are very Iranian. We speak Persian do you? I really don't care what your made up family history is. Does not really matter what matters is your heart not your genes.

Your heart is Arab Palestinian. You should move to Gaza to be with your buddies. Just like Shariati who wanted to be buried with his love of life "Fatemeh" the Arab. 

One of these days IRI will fall and the Islamist asses will be gone. Meanwhile we have a vibrant non Islamic Persian culture right here. Ta cheshmet kor beshe. Go look it up since I am sure you don't understand Persian. Maybe your Pals can help.

VPK

fidelio5

I will take a rain check on reading a book because what is more urgent is you trying to stay focused and be sure who is burning what or even intends to do so, before making that accusations. Let's work on that first.

SPink Jaan Nope it Ain't But it Sure has become Your Fatherland

To Comic Proportions ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq8fDBASyyY

Take Care Herr Garbitch ...

LOL

It ain't your motherland,

It ain't your motherland, COP. You were rejected- remember?

What 3000 year old relic are you talking about- the Lion Puss flag? Hey, I'm not the one that turned that thing into a laughing stock. That was Darius Kavidar's shahanshah.

My family history is splattered all over the place on IC. If you haven't been paying adequate attention, that's your problem.

Your personal problem with Iran's anti-Zionist policies doesn't matter one iota. You, being dispossessed by the Meehan, are nothing more than an irrelevant speck. 

Now go on, cluck all you want from your semi-accepted setting, far way from the place that rejected you for being anti-Iran. 

The Sargord Lobby

hey tagord, when I call you a palestinian rooting for the mullahcracy, you play the "race" card, as if being a Pal is a race.....joker. 

What's your story man? Just who the hell are you to come on this site and insult a 3000 years old symbol that has survived far worse atrocities than what you advocate against Iran? If a misguided Persian says that, I'll say that he's embracing his agressors, but you? What's your story man? Are YOU the agressor? Looks that way, don't it?

No wonder our motherland is in a large pile of stinking crap and sinking.

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IRAN FIRST

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Amir

Ebadi was kissing up to the cri9minals in IRI. She did not do any saving. People got what the IRI planned to give them with or without Ebadi. Her use was as a tool for propaganda. That was done very well so she gets a "Nobel" prize aka international joke. Basically she worked to legitimize the IRI by attempting to show it is "reasonable". Not that it does any good since they still stone people. Just not their useful tools.

Ganji did nothing at all. Being tortured if it really happened counts for nothing. What matters is the ideas and impact of them. There are thousands who get tortured what good does that do?

okay Mashy

I look forward to getting your check. 

In the mean time trying reading a book instead of trying to ban or burn one. 

Fidelio5

No actually, The best i can do is so much more than what you just saw, But since i am facing a Bad dahan like you, i don't think i am going to take that path. Oh and I also don't deal with Bigots, Psychics and Losers who have to insult one's religion to make a point.

Yes. I am clearly under educated. Although, comparing the level of education that you have, that still seems a whole lot more.

You have already talked enough and proven to be an absolute disgrace. Tell you what though, I will get the "proper" education, get a better Job and send you some money so you can fix yourself and your attitude up.

The problem is not the flag

The problem is not the flag with Shir O Khorshid. It is how the flag is used and by whom.

Darius kadivar

You asked where were Ebadi and Ganji? Ebadi was saving lives, Ganji was being tortured, RP and his family were cruising around the world, RP supporters were fighting for a piece of pie as always. Where were you?

The links you attached showed the reality among the oppositions, Specially, the Pahlavi Lovers.  It showed that contrary to your claims, the young Iranians are looking forward and not backward to the same old system that these leftover Pahlavi supporters want. The student was right. Students in Iran are not dying for others to take advantage of them and score points to their selfish causes and benefits.

a serious point

as an atheist I will defend the right of any religion to practice their superstitions. In fact i will state that I would lay my life down for their right.

Why cant they do the same for one of the most basic aspects of human dignity and freedom: Our right to speak and DISSENT.

Freedom of speech is a Necessary Prerequisite for freedom of religion. You cant have the latter without the former. So when Ebadi and Ganji made that gesture, as symbolic as it was, it spoke volumes!

So What if there is a double standard, although I will not admit that there is ... Muslims get away with far more when they feel they are offended.

but, if Ganji and Ebadi are supposed to be leaders of our DEMOCRATIC movement, they chose poorly in their symbolic stance ... very poorly. 

When Did Ebadi or Ganji Protest When Diaspora Green Protestors

Teared Up and Insulted the Shiro Khorshid Flag in LA ?

//ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-273363

Or Criticize their Favorite Lobbyist when they endorsed a similar Behavior in discouraging the display of our National Symbol and Legitimate Flag in Public Demonstrations of Support to our fellow compatriots back home ?

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=och26QdEEF8

Oh This one is for Those who have Alzheimers :

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4b8VF_uKXo

Mash Gangar

wash my mouth?

Thats the best you could do? SAD.

My mouth, actually any mouth, is cleaner than you and your filthy religion.

you are clearly UNDER educated. no surprise.

You get yourself a proper education and we will talk. 

Farah Rousta

You made a good point by differentiating the freedom and anarchy, but I think Ebadi and Ganji look at the human rights and freedom worldwide without prejudice. That is why they cannot accept such double standards by west just as they don't by IRI. They are living up to their Noble beliefs not Nobel prize.

Farah Rousta

Farah Rousta

Amir

It is ridiculous that a nobody such as Amber Pawlik the writer of the article you attached makes false claims and accusations about Mrs. Ebadi and individuals like you who don't even have an ounce of brain to analyse what they read accept them as words of wisdom. 

This is a very arrogant statement. Who does Amber have to be? A "Noble" committee appointed self absorbed "Ante-Lecctual"? I frequently hear the left and Islamist complain about elitism. Now that an ordinary person speaks you mock her because she is a "nobody". I rather be a nobody than a full of s*** "intellectual" approved by the EU and its "Noble" committee. I spit at that idiotic prize and the whole of EU bunch of hypocrites. Funny that Islamist dismiss the West except when it suites their purpose.

I am not supporting or approving of Homa's actions. Just pointing out Amber's arguments against Shirin Ebadi.

veiled

Ebadi doesn't believe in setting herself on fire as Dr Homa Darabi did. It wouldn't do no good for Iran and Iranians. There are wise ways and there are foolish ways. As we have seen self-immolation of Dr. Darabi didn't change anything, just as the self-immolation of some members of the MEK in Europe haven't.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homa_Darabi

It is ridiculous that a nobody such as Amber Pawlik the writer of the article you attached makes false claims and accusations about Mrs. Ebadi and individuals like you who don't even have an ounce of brain to analyse what they read accept them as words of wisdom.

Amber wrote,

“Dear Mrs. Ebadi, how can you be working for human rights and then accept the Islamic laws of torture, amputations, stoning, beating and flogging?”

When has she ever? She has always been against any crimes against humanity by any religion and government. That is why she walks out here and lives up to her words and actions.

Some might say Ebadi is afraid to do otherwise. But this is a woman who is being touted as a rebel – having been jailed, taking her scarf off in public, etc. Being “afraid to” does not fit in with the rest of her character. 

Here, Amber contradicts her previous accusations and admits to Ebadi's courage, despite what some might say.

Shirin Ebadi, I believe, is, in fact, a tool for the Ayatollah government, meant to preserve the Islamic Ayatollah government. Her purpose is not to bring reform to the government, but to suppress the Iranian people’s movement to overthrow their government. 

Now she changes again and makes the above statement.  This is where Veiled got the phrase" Ebadi the tool of IRI".  Is that what Ebadi is doing?  If she is a tool, why all these attacks, threats and exile?

Yes, indeed, the Iranian people will eventually lead themselves to freedom. But not through Shirin Ebadi. She is just going to prolong the process. 

Shirin Ebadi is prolonging the process? Do you even know how ridiculous you sound? What is your proposal for expediting the process?  You don't have to say it, I can guess.

There is only one way for freedom and peace over there: to drive the religious fanatics out of that country.

Over there and that country showed your respect and true opinion for Iran and Iranians

Mark my words: not only is this woman misguided in her tactic, she is a fraud. 

Amber Pawlik

I did, by marking a big red X on your words.

Freedom yes, Anarchy no!

The difference between freedom and anarchy is simple. Freedom is the exercise of liberty with a duty of care to upholding order whereas anarchy is an exercise of liberty with no care for order. In other words, freedom finds meaning if and only if it does not lead to disorder and chaos which in turn infringes upon the rights of others to exercise their freedom. The Mohammed Cartoons served no purpose other than   infringing upon another community's right to exercise their right to worship without fear of persecution and with dignity.  

Ebadi and Ganji followed their own personal agenda in protesting to the award. Their actions should by no means be seen as criteria for respect for freedom or otherwise.

FR

Dear VPK/MG.......

As I mentioned before, in my opinion, Shirin Ebadi & Akbar Ganji had the right to walk out due to their "strong" objections to the cartoons.  But, Shirin Ebadi & Akbar Ganji also needed to make a statement that while they did not agree with the cartoonist's views, they supported the cartoonist's right to express himself. 

The walk-out plus a statement would have been very important and symbolic since many in the free world supported Shirin Ebadi & Akbar Ganji although their opinions did not agree with those of the IRI, and the western prizes actually made them who they are today.  On the other hand, if Shirin Ebadi & Akbar Ganji are so near-sighted as not to be able to respect other's opinions/expressions, then I will also lose my respect towards them.

Mash Ghanbar

Democracy does not mean agreeing with others. It means having a discussion and going with the majority rule while keeping in mind the minority. I anm for people's freedom to say their thoughts. I am not saying I agree with or even respect their positions.

Say the majority wins; I still am not required to agree with them. Just abide by their votes within confines of minority rights. 

I was asked

why do I say Ebadi is a tool of the IRI. Ebadi puts Islam above Iran; she is not a representative of Iran. Here is a nice article on her and why she is a fraud:

//www.homa.org/index.php?option=com_content&v...

Veiled

You wrote, Ebadi is a tool of IRI.

Based on what? Her efforts to reform and change and what she has been through?  Or your hot air claim? 

You have no masters and say whatever you want? OK, then answer my first question about Auschwitz and I ask you the rest.

It is interesting that the German chancellor is giving a prize to an anti Muslim racist today for promoting division and violence toward another religion, while her ancestor Hitler did the same back in 1940s with Jews. What is with these Germans and Christians and their lack of acceptance of other races and religions?  She must be disappointed that this attempt failed, unlike the previous one by German national party and Hitler.  

VPK

You are full of assumptions.

For starters. for someone who once said "i was not following this case" you seem to know so many details. So were you lying or .. or what?

Technicality or not, I don't care. I know for sure that hight level officials were involved  and that is how it "actually" ended.

How can i use European laws when i don't even know them? And your saying that such freedom is above people's feeling does not give you the right to offend and insult without any ramifications, so you are wrong. There are things that one can do to retaliate in a legal way. The choice was made but there are always grey areas. it is not black and white.

Please do have doubts and i do not agree with him. I don't get it why all of a sudden everyone has started to become an expert on how others feel Just by exchanging comments on a website and there is always that " i have no doubt" thing thrown in, Why is that? are you a psychic?:)

You are the one who does not Get democracy aziz. You are the one who wants to bash anything you don't like while at the same time pretending to respect freedom of expression. What he says does not necessarily qualify as having to come from Islamist point of view. that is a image you have created in your OWN mind.

Have to Agree with Mash Ghanbar

Yes, these two are modern versions of retarded, dogmatic culture of No Freedom. same old, same old. One got international exposure, and noble peace prize. another got asylum and funds to expand his own retarded ideas. I like to see :Sadegh Hedayat" writing another "Haji Agha". these two are the two modern kids of that "Haji Agha", If you ask me...Yes, lets be Democratic, but when it comes to Grandma Superstitions , lets show who we really are.....

Who paid for these two Nuckle heads's tickets and hotel to go there in the first place anyways? 

Waste of resources, times, and publicity... two Old retardeds... 

Amir Khan

Ebadi is a tool of the IRI and nothing more. She proved that with her actions. I have nop masters and I say what I want. Iran is not hurting because of Zionists. It hurts because of Islam. You are blinded by your hated of Jews and Israel.

Why do you not move to Gaza and fight for your people. Leave Iran to Iranians.