Iranian of the Day

Mehrdad - LOL - in a Cadillac vs. a Benz?

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Hesan I made no such claim. What does that make you?

Everything is sacred

Ananymouse

Based on your logic, a permanent marriage is another form of prostitution. So what that make you?

ehsan

If men and women are free to interact and have sex if they agree to a financial arrangement, or just for a mutual sexual attraction, then why bother stopping people and asking them for proof of relationships?   You must have a lot of confidence in a Mullah's divine intervention to make a relationship religiously legal!  Why cann't a lay-person say a few Arabic words to make a date legal, then?

In Iranian marriage, a man pays mehriyeh while the woman brings in jahaaziyeh in a mutual arrangement to raise a family; NOT a sexual desire for a short time period.   A prostitute is defined as a man/woman who gets paid for sexual favors for a short period of time (w/ or w/o a prayer).  It is time to call a spade, a spade. 

Monda, Cousin Mehrdad

Thank you Monda!

I read a lot!

Cousin Mehrdad,

Use the credit card! You earn airline mileage points!

MM : one other difference

Prostitution : The pimp wears flamboyant clothing with feather on their hat

Sigheh : The pimp is a fat, smelly Akhond with a dirty hat as amameh

Mehrdad

Farmarz jaan, lotfan farmosh nakon

We pay for it one way or another, no matter what the arrangements are :)

Mehrdad

Farmarz, I learn from you

Blessings.

The Main Difference Between a Sigheh and a Prostitute

The main difference between the two is that a prostitute generally, but not always, practices safe sex and doesn't get pregnant!

Otherwise, sex for cash or sex for a new washer and dryer is basically the same!

One is more honest about the nature of the transaction than the other!

That's all!

Ehsan u signed 35 minutes ago just 2 defend & promote sigheh?!

Everything is sacred

Agha-Irani

You wrote, From wiki although I am sure numerous other sources will confirm this: " Financial payments may be made between the couple, usually with the male paying the female known as mahr or dower."  No financial payments????????? Another lie. 

The key word in that statement is "May be".  That makes it optional, unlike prostitution that is  "must be".

In sigheh , one is allowed to make financial contribution in many forms and shapes to his or her spouse just as it is allowed in a permanent marriage.  If financial contribution was to make that prostitution, then that would be true about a permanent marriage as well.

thanks Vildemose - one diff w/ protitution & sigheh, but no room

I found one difference below, but could not fit it in that small table in my last comment:

Prostitution - Sealed with money exchange.

Sigheh - sealed with money exchange & a prayer (maybe*)

* "Originally intended to provide legitimacy to what would otherwise be illicit affairs, the practice of temporary marriage has become a threadbare cover for prostitution and an under-the-table means of social welfare for poor women. The participants no longer follow the rules, which call for a mullah to read a particular blessing. The man just calls, and the woman comes to him. The "brides" are supposed to remain celibate for three and a half months after each divorce to ensure they aren't pregnant, but many flout the statutes. They have no choice. They need the money for survival." (//www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/prostitution_holy_men)

Hamsade ghadimi, yeah yeah

making me look like the dirty angel!

(Studfarm, horses . Al Maktoum LOVES racing. He's into fillies. They got the wrong species!)

Uxbridge Urban Dictionary:

à la carte           -        a Muslim wheelbarrow

dirty angel, i wasn't

dirty angel, i wasn't trying.  it's just stud farm means...just that: a place with studs, guys, hunks.  (mostly) guys go to chicken ranch and (mostly) gals go to stud farms. i was just trying to make sense and gain from your insight.

hamsade ghadimi

What  dirty thoughts you have!

;)!!!

Uxbridge Urban Dictionary:

à la carte           -        a Muslim wheelbarrow

dirty angel, did you mean

dirty angel, did you mean chicken ranch or is al maktoum batting for the other side? 

MM: that table is so

MM: that table is so brilliant. You should make a blog out of it.

Talking to vulgar DA is useless. He is a brainwashed Khomeinist, not even an Islamists. Even Islamists won't accept a cess pool like him.

Supply and demand

at its "best", except that of course, this lot of smelly fuglies should have checked out the competition: Al Maktoum has his own studfarm!

Uxbridge Urban Dictionary:

à la carte           -        a Muslim wheelbarrow

Dariush A to Z you are the same one who is obsessed w/ virgins?

Seems you have a blockage problem and if memory serves me right the same user who from time to time engages in debates about virginity and why women should be virgin but not men.  You like the women who are aftab (sun) mahtab (moon) nadideh (not seen)!

The clients for the criminals in this article who are behind bars were being offered virgins. 

Everything is sacred

Dariush C

Again you make incorrect assumptions:

"Now you are reading from your western civil religion to me."

 What is this western civil religion and where have I said that I adhere to this so-called religion? Again this is your vile islamist propaganda.

"Sigheh doesn't mean you pay money to have sex." 

From wiki although I am sure numerous other sources will confirm this: " Financial payments may be made between the couple, usually with the male paying the female known as mahr or dower."  No financial payments????????? Another lie. 

"That was perhaps to prevent a man marrying one and having many more on the side as it is the norm in US" 

Please provide evidence to back this claim.  Also please provide evidence that muslim men don't cheat on their wives in Iran or other polygamous states - otherwise this is another fabrication.  (I remember the video going round last year with the mullah having sex with his friends wife - hahaha - so much for these pious islamist men not cheating.

"The problem is that you worse than me, know nothing about these subjects and keep repeating what your western religion has forced into your head."

I ask again what western religion? And what more is there to know about polygamy, pedophilia and sigheh other than the obvious - perhaps you have a PhD in this subject? Do elaborate.

"As for stoning, Americans love to be stoned." 

Again a diversion - this time a sick callous one avoiding discussion of the brutality of the backward islamists.

"Now this was about sex traffickers which are for the most part the individuals who are against hejab, real Islam, Ahmadinejad and etc." 

Another diversion, I refer you to vildemose earlier post providing evidence that trafficking in women is sanctioned by regime insiders.  They may not be true muslims but they are certainly ISLAMISTS and you appear to be supporting them strongly.

"These are what I see in common with individuals in your camp and these criminals and even some in IRI itself that are acting against the real Islam.  " 

Yet again you say "my camp" - you have no idea if I believe in any particular ideology but you still go on and on about my camp - utter rubbish, but so you understand "my camp" is the camp of common decency where you treat people with respect and dignity not vilify and humiliate them through barbaric practices of your islamist regime - child marriage, sigheh, polygamy, torture and stoning. 

And to get back on point - you are not in a position to lecture on human trafficking and womens rights when you support and defend such backward practices. 

marriage vs. sigheh vs. date vs. prostitution

A comparison of all four interactions shows: 

                     timing    money   sex   love     commit    note

marriage        long      yes         yes   yes      yes         may lead to divorce

prostitution    short     yes        yes    no       no          rarely to marriage

date               short     y/n        y/n    y/n     y/n          may lead to marriage

sigheh            short     yes        yes    no      no           rarely to marriage

Therefore, Sigheh = Islamic sanctioned prostitution

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  Aug 25, 2010 article from Payvand News:

Iran's parliament is preparing to discuss a bill this week that would allow men to marry additional wives without the consent of their first wife, and would tax dowries. It is called the Family Protection Bill, but it is better known as the antifamily bill. 

Women's rights activists say the bill, first proposed by President Mahmud Ahmadinejad's cabinet in 2007, would pave the way for polygamy, harm the family structure, and set back the battle against discriminatory laws in the Islamic republic, where women have second-class legal status.

Activists say the bill gives men a free hand to abuse the system and deprive women from any right within the family. 

//www.payvand.com/news/10/aug/1246.html

is a temporary marriage

is a temporary marriage when two people want to be together without the commitment of a permanent marriage. It is a marriage with lesser commitments and that is far from prostitution

When two people want to be together without committment or pemanent marriage is called living in sin according to most other religions. Officiating it by reading some mumbo jumbo does not make it moral, or ethical, especially when it's only for a few days or months and the two entities are only together for sex and nothing else. This is more perverse than prostitution. No respectable woman, if they had a choice, would want to be just a sigheh. Sigeh is another form of exploitation of poor or low-income, or old ME women. In muslim society, after a certain age , women have zero value. Any woman who accepts to be a sigheh either has no self-respect for herself or is doing out for other fringe benefits. Daruish C, You can't put a lipstick on a pig, no matter how hard you try. It's amazing that there are still people like you in the world...

Dariush C

I am not sure if you read the whole article, just one of the examples mentions

The point is the AGE of the girls,  this girl (8 year old ) is a CHILD . Do you think that a 6 or 8 year old can marry and can have sex? , that is exactly what Muhamad did (Aieshe) for his selfish reason and by doing that he set a very bad  example for all Muslims (as the leader of the faith) for all generations to come.

In other examples in the same article it mentions that MONEY that was exchanged so the fathers of the women (the underaged children) can let them marry  the old guys.

This is no different than the Child-prostitution gang that this news article is describing (involving Children having sex for Money and someone profiting) . This is illigal in Civilized world , but sanctioned by Islamic societies as per Muhamad's example

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I really don't understand this part:

As for stoning, Americans love to be stoned. They are stoned to death almost every day. Try to analyse this one yourself and tell us what that means.  

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I only know that IRI "loves" to stone people!!!!!!

IRI is world-famous for stoning! IRI is not ashamed of stoning!

Iranfirst

You wrote, Arabs go to India and marry 19 years old and etc for a few days. that is probably true. Anyone can go and do whatever they want there without marrying for miutes. Many American do the same and Europeans and many other nationalities. so what is your point?  In India even today they kill their infant girl. Have you ever heard of human right groups or the US and others complaining?

Hell, Iranians in your camp go to Iran from US and Europe and marry much younger girls. They go to Iran and do the things that Arabs don't do in India. All from you camp. The Anti Islam, anti Muhammad and Ahmadinejad. One is about 80 he went to South America and married a 17 years old and brought her to US. Many old Americans go to China and Russia and do the same. 

These are all in your camp. Not mine.

Agha-Irani

Now you are reading from your western civil religion to me.

Sigheh doesn't mean you pay money to have sex.  Sigheh is a temporary marriage when two people want to be together without the commitment of a permanent marriage. It is a marriage with lesser commitments and that is far from prostitution.  The problem is not sigheh, the problem is your understanding. 

I see that your religion doesn't have sigheh and people are jumping on each other like animals, every week and day with a different person and this is OK because your civil religion says so.

The same goes for polygamy.  In Islam a man cannot have a second wife unless the fist wife agrees. Otherwise, the marriage is no good. That was perhaps to prevent a man marrying one and having many more on the side as it is the norm in US, without both parties being responsible for their actions.

The problem is that you worse than me, know nothing about these subjects and keep repeating what your western religion has forced into your head.

As for stoning, Americans love to be stoned. They are stoned to death almost every day. Try to analyse this one yourself and tell us what that means.  

Now this was about sex traffickers which are for the most part the individuals who are against hejab, real Islam, Ahmadinejad and etc.  These are what I see in common with individuals in your camp and these criminals and even some in IRI itself that are acting against the real Islam.  

Child-Marriage & Pedophilia (Muslims) : Will It Come to an End?

Similar Crimes in IRI and Muslim countries (the more Muslim the worse) happens all the time with complete support of Islamic "law", Quran and the example set by the Child Molesting Muhamad.

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Child-Marriage and Pedophilia in Muslim Societies: Will It Come To an End

In
my previous article, I have mentioned that aged and wealthy Arabs from
the Gulf countries come to India, mainly to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh,
to prey on teenage girls, by paying fat cash as dowry to their parents.
They generally enter into temporary marriage contracts (Mutah) and
return home after a brief stay. In
January, 2007, a 60 year old Arab married 3 girls, Afreen, Farheena and
Sultana, at a single sitting (within ten minutes), in Hyderabad.

In another incident in May 2004, an old man called Muhammad Zafer Yaqub Hassan al-Jorani came from Sharjah to Hyderabad
to undergo a cataract operation. On May 7, he married Haseena Begum, a
19 year old girl and after two days he divorced her. On May 24, he
married another 16 year old girl Ruksana Begum. Haseena, ignoring even
threat to her life, went to a local police station to narrate her story
and within an hour police arrested Jorani. Police also arrested someone
called Shamsuddin who was alleged to have played the role of a mediator
and received a cash of Rs 40,000 from Jorani and handed over the money
to the parents of Haseena as mehr. It is to be mentioned here that Jorani, at his Sharjah residence, had two wives and 11 children.

While commenting on these affairs, a reader wrote, “In
child marriage of the other type, where young girl marries an old man,
is prevalent in Muslim society in India. I am an ex-Muslim from India
and such facts I have seen in my own eyes. I tried to alert police but
was threatened by police themselves with dire consequences, even death,
and so I kept quiet.

In various cities, where there are Muslim ghettos, this happens regularly. Muslims condemn prostitution but allow legal prostitution
through temporary marriage or Mutah. Young girls of16-18-year-old are
married to aged Arabs, for a stipulated period, simply for money.
Mullahs make the old Arab and young girls sign nikahnama and talaknama
at the same time.

Parents get money and send their daughter as a prostitute
to the Arab to be raped. The Arab then divorces her after a stipulated
time that may vary from a few hours to a few days. Things move fast
because the next victim is waiting in the queue. Generally, beautiful
girls are entered in the waiting list and many of them have to entertain
their (temporary) rapist husbands every year. The month of Ramadan is
busiest period of this business when many Indian girls are sent to Dubai
and from Dubai to elsewhere, to be sexually assaulted by the Arabs,
after Ramadan fasting.

Generally, the girls earns anywhere from Rs 15,000 to Rs
500,000, depending on the skill of the negotiator (middleman) and also
on the beauty of the girl. If she happens to be a virgin, she earns a
lot more, as Arabs are ready to spend fabulous money for a first time
sex.

Now-a-days,
there are plastic surgeons, I know, are earning lot from the pimps by
turning the girls virgin again by attaching a layer of fresh skin to
their private parts and thus making an artificial hymen. This happens
repeatedly for many girls till she gets tired or fails to find a new
(temporary) husband.

Local police, political leaders and NGOs get their share
too and keep silence. I can even spell names of some people, who are
involved in the racket. But my life is already under threat due to
disclosing the truth about Islam. I also don’t want annoy the local
police because they may just shoot me in a false encounter and get paid
by the racket leaders. Such an incident happened earlier. This is,
indeed, another horrible face of Islam.”

Another reader commented,
“Dear old Muslims in the Middle East who are planning to marry a girl
as young as 6 yrs old to be your bride, kindly let me have the honour to
ask you a very simple question. Try imagining that the young 6-year-old
bride whom you’re going to marry soon, is your daughter or
granddaughter or great granddaughter or great-great granddaughter and
that you are going to penetrate her very small vagina with your big
xxxxx. Do you feel it nauseating or disgusting at the very thought of
it? I believe that for those old Muslims who have some human conscience
or fear of God will be kind enough to let all these young girls go.”

Another reader commented “I
believe that for those old Muslims who have some human conscience or
fear of God will be kind enough to let all these young girls go. As for
those old Muslims who still can’t let all these young girls go because
of their super strong sexual needs, may I suggest a much better option
for you which could help satisfy all your sexual needs or cravings and
that is, to go and buy a sex doll from any sex shop and sell all these
erotic products. Don’t you think that your Allah will be pleased with my
kind suggestion here which is better than destroying all those young
innocent girls’ life? Thank you in advance for heeding my advice to give
all these young innocent muslimahs a chance to live life to the
fullest.”

In
this context, it should be mentioned that, in Islam, there is no place
for ethics, morality or conscience. Islamic morality is quite different
and stands on two notions – Halal (permitted) and Haram (not permitted).
To a sane non-Muslim individual, marrying a 6 or 8-year-old girl by an
over 50 man, may appear to be highly immoral, unethical and vulgar. But
to a Muslim, such an act is Halal, as Prophet Muhammad had done it. So,
application of personal sense morality and ethics does not play any
role. Whatever the Prophet did is Halal and every Muslim has the right
to emulate the Prophet.

Another reader wrote, “These
old wolfs who practice such disgusting acts by following their Prophet
are wild animals. They don’t even deserve to live. These innocent young
brides should be given some poison by their mothers which they can mix
with some food and feed their wonderful husbands on the first night and
finish them off. The Human Rights activists can defend them saying these
children are minor and they do not know what they are doing. Even few
years of jail sentence is much better than living with these animals. If
more and more child-brides start rebelling by giving the due punishment
to these animals, this cruel practice will vanish.”

As
mentioned in the previous article that a Saudi judge refused to
terminate the marital bond between an 8-year-old girl and her
47-year-old husband.
The girl’s father, according to the attorney, took US$13,000 from the
man and arranged the marriage in order to settle his debts with him, who
is also a close friend of his. On the other hand, the girl’s mother
expressed her determination to fight the case and continue to seek
daughter’s divorce.

(follow the link for the rest of the article)

//www.faithfreedom.org/articles/women-in-isla...

Dariush C

If by "you camp" you mean the green movement - I have never said I support this movement - so yet again your simplistic propaganda doesn't wash.

I do not support anyone who runs Evin - (or Kahrizak - which was solely the prison operated by your filthy basijis).  I do not believe people should be imprisoned for protesting FULL STOP This is the behavior of the islamist regime and its basij and sepah enforcers.

So the diversion tactic didn't work either - they are representatives of the islamist regime who run these prisons and who make these absurd laws (polygamy, child marriage, sigheh, stoning, whipping etc) - they are all down to "supreme leader" the rest of the mullahs, ahmaghi, mashai and the akhoonds in the majles - they are all ONE camp - the backward islamist camp.  

 Give up the lies - they are transparent and fool no one.

Agha-Irani

Those are from you camp too.

I heard one political prisoner was begging a torturers in EVIN not to hurt him and the tortures told to him, "I am you God".

So that explains who is running the show in EVIN. 

Face it !  They are from you camp.