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Masoud jon

Some people sent me emails  to tell me not to argue with you, because this is a waste of time. I like you anyway, but honestly, on this topic, i was strangely disappointed.

you said:

The KGB station chief in Tehran defects to the UK and gives them a truck
load of documents on Tudeh members and Fadaian-Majority leaders,
including those who were working for the KGB. The British intelligence
gave them to the CIA. And the CIA gave them to the terrorist regime .....

What does it have to my previous quesiton as to when and where the Toudeh party has done any terror, violence against the people of Iran, puting bomb and killing the Iranians?

Then you tell me the story of hossein kord Shabestari??

bye bye Masoud jon.

Ciao

MK: Regarding Tudeh

That is true or at least was when I got my Green Card. I was specifically asked:

• If I was a member of a communist party.
• If I was a homosexual.

I do not know if the rules still apply but they did 30 years ago. Maybe they have been changed specially the bit abut gay. But I am pretty sure the communist thing is there. Unlike the gay community there is no "communist" rights movement to relax the rules. 

Suri jaan

Suri jaan,,

Do you know why the fundamentalist regime all-of-the-sudden arrested a lot of members or Tudeh Party and Fadaian-Majority in 1983? The Tudeh Party and Fadaian-Majority were fully supporting the terrorist regime during some of the regime most genocidal periods.

The KGB station chief in Tehran defects to the UK and gives them a truck load of documents on Tudeh members and Fadaian-Majority leaders, including those who were working for the KGB. The British intelligence gave them to the CIA. And the CIA gave them to the terrorist regime.

The regime then arrested them. A few were executed. Many of them were executed during the 1988 massacre of political prisoners.

As a matter of American law, when applying for Green card and US citizenship, a person can NOT get Green Card and/or US citizenship if he or she was a member of the Tudeh Party or Fadaian-majority. The parts of the McCarran act on these are still laws of the land.

According to American law, you (who supported the Tudeh Party, which was the conventional pro-Moscow communist party and directly a stooge of the USSR) should not be allowed to enter the US, get Green card, or be allowed to become US citizen. THIS is the law. The US government specifically ask anyone who applies for these whether or not they were ever a member of any communist organization.

I hope this is helpful.

My 2 rials (even less than cents)

Masoud

BoosBoos Jan

Regarding MK: give it up! It is pointless. Believe me, I have tried as have others. You got to see a pointless situation when it happens. 

Yes in the USA American law rules. In Iran it does not. By the way American law is also very harsh against treason. It just happens that treason by MEK is not against America because they do not owe allegiance to America. Therefore they are not subject to American treason laws. If they were their punishment would be no different than in IRI. Here is the American law on treason:

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. 

Simorgh

Simorgh: I have a question for you. Knowing what you know now about Ayhatollah Khomeini would you have opposed the Shah from silencing him and sending him to exile in the two decades prior to the revolution?

MK: The Shah silenced him and send him to exile. See what happened?

The problem was that the Shah was totally illegitimate. But if there was a legitimate political system, Khomeini could not have posed a mortal threat to all. Imagine if the Shah allowed Khomeini to go on tv and the journalists to ask him questions. For example, what he thinks about women’s right to vote? [Khomeini opposed female franchise]. Ask him about women’s right to not weak hijab. [Khomeini thought that women HAVE to wear hijab]. Ask him about Sheikh Fazlollah Nouri. [Khomeini supported this most reactionary dude]. Ask him about Ayatollah Kashani and Hojatolislam Falsafi. Ask him why he opposed land reform.

If the Shah allowed the Iranian people to hear Khomeini, then millions and millions would not have been deceived.

The problem with the Shah’s regime was so fundamental, that it really had to go. A regime must enjoy a minimum of legitimacy, which the Shah lacked.

Simorgh: I will leave you to answer the question but I imagine you would have hiwled down the Shah if he did everbody a favour and changed the course of history by killing Khomeini thus preventing a catastrophe to befall Iran.

MK: Then probably another monster like Ayatollah Khalkhali, or Ayatollah Beheshti, or Ayatollah Rafsanjani, or Ayatollah Khamenei, or this or that ayatollah would have been the ruling terrorist oppressing us.

There exists Islamic fundamentalist movements in Sunni as well Shia worlds. Just look at al Qaeda, or Hezbollah, or Hamas, or Muslim Brotherhood.

Ultra right-wing reactionary violent groups also came to power in Europe in the 1920s and 1930s. They were the fascists and Nazis. Islamic fundamentalism is the equivalent to European fascism and the KKK in the U.S. The question is why the US and UK did not succum to fascism but Germany and Italy did? Same about Iran in 1977-1979.

Simorgh: You will support the delisting of MEK witbout any pre-conditions under the guise of democracy but if it were to hypothetically gain power and unleash another murderous spree like Khomeini did you will disassociate yourself of all accountability just as so many Leftists did when they championed Khomeini and lived to regret it.

MK: I strongly oppose the PMOI. We have to do all we can to counter the PMOI. We need to join the pro-democracy groups and make then strong and powerful. I do NOT foresee any realistic possibility that a group with very small amount of support base in Iran to be able to come to power. A very large proportion of the Iranian people strongly oppose the PMOI; therefore, I do not think that they would be foolish to support this group.

The disaster of the coming to power in 1979 of Khomeini was primarily the fault of the Shah. Not only he lacked legitimacy, but he kept making horrible mistakes. If in 1977, he would have accepted the demands of JM, then we would have had a transition to democracy. Khomeini rose to power due to the conditions and policies of the Shah.

Simorgh: Don't get me wrong I support a military attack against the IR in one form or another including the establishment of a liberation army but you should he careful not to give carte blanche to the MEK. Some people like Islamists, which Rajavi is, regardless of how she likes to sugar coat it with the word 'democracy' simply cannot be trusted.

MK: I do not support military attacks. I support full UN Security Council sanctions of the terrorist regime modeled after those imposed on the racist apartheid regime in South Africa. I hope to see these real sanctions would weaken the terrorist regime so much that they would enable and empower the Iranian people, ourselves, to overthrow the terrorist regime. I support a mass uprising of the Iranian people.

Of course my first preference is a gradual, step-by-step transition to democracy based on a referendum. But due to the tyrannical nature of the terrorist regime, I do not see how Khamenei and others in the regime would agree to a referendum. They do not even allow fair elections among members of the fundamentalist oligarchy.

Best,

MK

MEK offering you a democratic Islam is analogues

to a man in a bar wearing makeup and dressed in woman's cloths offering you........!

Fool me once, shame on you

You idiots are half the problem. You can't be the solution. Here is the Bahram Moshiri's reply to the same claim by the same lachak be sar. As he said, democratic Islam is as impossible as good smelling feces.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC8y5DsqoD0

More Double-Talk by Masoud Kazemzadeh

"by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Thu Aug 25, 2011 04:43 PM PDT The First Amendment gives the people the right to say that the PMOI is not a terrorist group. The First Amendment allows the people to say favorable things about the PMOI."

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 The First Amendment to the United States Constitution also gives people the right to condemn Iranians that make excuses for a terror cult that aided Saddam Hussein and participated in an 8 year war against Iran, the territorial integrity of Iran, and that caused 1 million deaths and billions of dollars worth of damage.  

Iranian law - on the other hand - is not subservient to the U.S. Constitution, the Napoleonic Code, or the General Laws of the Republic of China.   Iran has laws against treason, and will have laws against treason in the future (under any system of government and under any leadership).  What I am saying to kids that want to follow the misguided example of carelessly reasoned logic is - don't do it! 

I for one will not call it a "human rights" abuse when they round up the PMOI/MEK's leadership and lackeys and put them on trial.   Similarly, you will see in the case of  Herbert Hans-Haupt that the U.S. executed a German-American for nothing more than suspicion of spying for Germany during World War 2. 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hans_Haupt 

Masoud jon

I'm glad this was only your two cents which took half a page ;)

Imagine if you wanted to put your 2 dollars on the table? I believe we had to  spend all the night in front of our PC reading your comment.

Joking aside, I agree with lots of what you said, but nevertheless, there are some nuances which are intentionally let to slide.

I don't argue with you about the nature of that terrorist organazation, because many people already did it and unfotunately nobody won.

but I will agrue about one point only:

 5. If one accepts that the PMOI is a terrorist entity, then based on that principle, the State Department should also list Komele, Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan, Tudeh Party, Fadaian-Minority, Fadaian-Majority, and monarchists (which have used violence against Iranians before and after the revolution), on the same list.

Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

Violence against Iranians ???

Demagogy ???

At that point??

Masoud jon, as I told you before, you can not mix and match everything you desire and bring false statements, mixing it with some truth and force feed the readers with that.

Most of the readers here are Iranians from the same generation that you and me, We are not the young Americans students who are not aware of Iran's Political history.

Please stay calme and true, at least to yourself.

And if you think that it is okay, In US, to defend the MKO even after they have stayed in the list of the terrorist organizations, then go for it!

Nobody's holding you back.

I just said my opinion.

Masoud Kermanzadeh

I have a question for you. Knowing what you know now about Ayhatollah Khomeini would you have opposed the Shah from silencing him and sending him to exile in the two decades prior to the revolution?
I will leave you to answer the question but I imagine you would have hiwled down the Shah if he did everbody a favour and changed the course of history by killing Khomeini thus preventing a catastrophe to befall Iran.
You will support the delisting of MEK witbout any pre-conditions under the guise of democracy but if it were to hypothetically gain power and unleash another murderous spree like Khomeini did you will disassociate yourself of all accountability just as so many Leftists did when they championed Khomeini and lived to regret it.
Don't get me wrong I support a military attack against the IR in one form or another including the establishment of a liberation army but you should he careful not to give carte blanche to the MEK. Some people like Islamists, which Rajavi is, regardless of how she likes to sugar coat it with the word 'democracy' simply cannot be trusted.

MG, If I May!

I think the closest meaning would be "Tolerant Islam," as opposed to the Islam of IR! Of course, that(Bordbar=Tolrant)too cannot be a proper metaphor when it comes to democracy, democratic freedoms and human rights. I can explain why, later, if necessay!

Suri on the PMOI and Freedom of Expression in the US

Suri:  From this point onward, any person living in US, say anything in the favor of this terrorist organization, will put themselves in danger, because they are defending an illegal terrorist organization.

MK:

Dear Suri,

1. The State Department has not made its decision yet. Two publications in Iran posted their stories a few days ago stating that the State Dept has made its decision. Nothing has come out which would confirm that.

2. In the U.S., there exists civil liberties. This means freedom of expression. Even if the State Department made the decision not to de-list the PMOI it would NOT destroy the freedom of speech in the U.S. The listing of an organization means that a person could not be a member of that organization or materially help that organization if they are American (U.S. citizen or Green Card holder). The First Amendment protects the rights of Americans to say that the State Department was wrong. The First Amendment gives the people the right to say that the PMOI is not a terrorist group. The First Amendment allows the people to say favorable things about the PMOI.

People in the U.S. can say a lot of favorable things about an organization which the U.S. government opposes. Even during the height of the Cold War, when there were a bunch of laws punishing membership in the Communist Party (e,g., McCarran Acts, Smith Act), an American had the right to say a looooooooooooooooot of favorable things about the Soviet Union, Stalin, and Lenin, etc. It was membership in the CPUSA that was illegal, but not mere expression of opinion, analysis and the like. Due to the efforts of the ACLU and many decisions of the U.S. Supreme Court, those laws were either overturned or vastly modified.

There are still some laws against Nazis and Communists (usually preventing non-Americans from entering the U.S. for immigration and the like). There are also new laws on terrorist entities such as the terrorist regime ruling Iran.

3. The fundamentalist regime ruling Iran is a terrorist entity. One cannot be a member of that regime in the U.S. One cannot provide the terrorist regime materials benefits. One cannot sell the terrorist regime some products and services. But Americans are free to express their views and analysis and write favorable materials about Khomeini, Khamenei and Ahmadinejad. It is called freedom of expression.

4. It is the job and duty of scholars and journalists to analyze and report their findings, whether on the former USSR, the terrorist regime, or the PMOI. In the U.S., people have the right of free expression. They do NOT have to accept what the USG says is correct. People have to abide by the laws. But they have the right to criticize those laws.

I am a political scientist, whose areas of expertise include Iranian politics, Islamic fundamentalism, and Iranian opposition including the PMOI. My analyses have been published in top peer reviewed scholarly publications. Whatever the State Department decides would not impact my analysis, past, present, and future. My scholarly assessment is that the PMOI does not fit the criteria for being listed in the FTO. One main criteria is the following:

"The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States."

The PMOI not only does NOT threaten the national security of the U.S., but it actually helps the USG on a whole spectrum of things such as intelligence on the terrorist regime ruling Iran. The PMOI revealed a lot of secrets of the terrorist regime including the nuclear program of the terrorist regime. The de-listing of the PMOI will help the national security of the U.S. Many top American generals and national security officials have stated this publically.

On the basic notion of terrorism, many authoritative sources such as several courts of law in the U.K. reviewed the case and decided that the PMOI was NOT a terrorist entity; therefore the UK government has to de-list the PMOI. Several courts in EU also reviewed the case and decided that the PMOI was NOT a terrorist entity; therefore, the EU had to de-list the PMOI.

Whatever the decision of the State Department, former NYC mayor Guliani, former FBI Director Louis Freeh, and former Attorney General Mukasy, will have the right to express their analysis, opinions, and the like on the PMOI.

5. If one accepts that the PMOI is a terrorist entity, then based on that principle, the State Department should also list Komele, Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan, Tudeh Party, Fadaian-Minority, Fadaian-Majority, and monarchists (which have used violence against Iranians before and after the revolution), on the same list.

6. This should make our job in INF and JM a looooooooooooot easier. We do not have any more competition from leftists, monarchists, Kurdish groups, PMOI, as well as the REAL TERRORISTS who have been ruling Iran since 1980 or so (i.e., the various factions in the terrorist regime from hard-liners to reformists to Rafsanjani’s faction).

My 2 cents,

Masoud 

Simorgh

I am very happy to see us being on a much closer wavelength. Not 100% but at least we have a got a lot closer in our points of view. It is important for Iranians to unite at least on one thing: no more Rajavi! 

This message has got to get into the head of America. Once Rajavi are gone MEK will not longer really be what it is. The whole group is a cult of personality. Without the duo it will disintegrate.

If USA really wants to support a group I suggest Reza Pahlavi. However he needs a backbone and tes*** implant. Not sure it that is possible. Who is there to lead a "Government in Exile"? I don't know.

The penny has not dropped,

The penny has not dropped, has it Maryam jan? No body wants a democratic Islamic government. We have had enough of Islamic republic, democracies or societies.
After losing so many of your own fighters or brainwashed young people in your battle with the Islamic Republic have you not quite understood that people cannot stomach another Islamic democracy. All the blood that was spilled at your behest and you still have the audacity to call for another Islamic state. For your own martyrs sake just drop it. I hope money loving whores like Guiliani and Bolton see this video and whose paying their cheques.
I urge the US State Department to depose Rajavi and force the MEK to change their charter accepting secular democracy before delisting them. Then again maybe they are incapable of being changed. We need an army but this video proves that Rajavi does not deserve the trust of anyone.

Disenchanted Jan

I am baffled that likes of Gulliani losers sit there and listen to this old ideas expressed in such a tormenting voice!

Do you remember when Gulliani ran for President?

His plan was to do nothing! Just keep repeating 911 and hope for the best. Guess what: he lost big time to McCain! The man is a hopeless idiot. If he is the best MEK got then no problem.

Mash_Ghasem

Ditto! You have nailed it!

I don't think the issue of To delist or Not to delist is closed!

       I'll wait for the congratulatory note by NIAC! I let those who are keen to find out who is NIAC member to figure out if that makes me a NIAC member! :-)

       Vildemose, I think by "Islam bordbar" she means Liberal Islam. Literally the word means "patient Islam" but that must be what she had in mind. 

     I am baffled that likes of Gulliani losers sit there and listen to this old ideas expressed in such a tormenting voice! Really he is doing financially that bad that he needs few thousand dollars from MEK?!

     THese people have nothing new to say. It's all the tired and failed ideas of 60s and 70s! They are driven just by hatred.

PMOI/MEK - Komala ...

I heard from horse's mouth

when in summer of 2009, US was still after negotiations with IRI, I e-mailed them to say that they should wait because there was cheating in elections; actually NIAC said the same thing too. I received a reply that US state department looks only after interests of Americans.

what does she mean by

what does she mean by

"islam bordbar"?? What is Islam-e-bordbar??? This woman and her husband should be behind bars. They have done enough damage already.

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

Wild World: Sometimes You Just Need to Quote People

by Souri on Tue Aug 23, 2011 08:13 PM PDT  Is that a threat? What you mean by: Don't be a bad girl,,,i don't want to see you a sad girl? Who are you to want or not wanting something for me?  Watch your words!

by BoosBoos on Tue Aug 23, 2011 07:48 PM PDT

This is a wild wild world....

You know I've seen a lot of what the world can do
And it's breakin' my heart in two
Because I never wanna see you a sad girl

Don't be a bad girl 

------------------------- 

Cat Stevens - IRI Agent !   The Hypocrisy is rich ... just read the quotes. 

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHXpnZi9Hzs 

Not De-listing

As much as I know, They have already made the  decision to not  delist the MKO (at least I heard so)

I have a feeling that two hikers are going to be heading to USA before long :-)

State Department

Are they really interested in reality? All it takes is to conduct a poll just like PAIAA did of Iranian Americans. It won't cost much and they will find out how we feel. But that does not fit the Neocon plans. 

Did they bother to find out how Iraqi felt about Chalebi? It would not have been hard. But they decided to listen to the Neocon instead. The result was the mess we got now. It is very sad that USA relies on sources whose interests are not that of USA.

Disenchanted

As much as I know, They have already made the  decision to not  delist the MKO (at least I heard so)

So all this hoopla and hayahoo is really just for the sake of passing the time, debating with other fellows (like having an after party)

As we say in Tehrani :saab elle rafeh :)

means that the real cause, disappeared!

From this point onward, any person living in US, say anything in the favor of this terrorist organization, will put themselves in danger, because they are defending an illegal terrorist organization.

Could we send this page to US state dept!

           So they get a glimpse of how popular is MEK is among Iranians :-)

          Unless these posts are all written by one and same author with a case of severe "multiple personality disorder", it should show a good sample of how Iranians feel across the political spectrum about this cult!

           It certainly is not a statistically valid sample but it would do the job.

          Shall we?!

P.S. I think these repeated posts on MEK serves the purpose I just mentioned. Don't be mistaken. There are lots of eyes on this site. This could be a pulse of how Iranian community thinks about currentr affairs.

Impressive!!!!

I am really impressed, this maybe the first time I actually have see everyone speaking in one voice!!! We want a secular democratic system, and the last thing we want is another terrorist fundamentalist group to rule Iran.  MKO, IRI, and the governments of US and EU please take note!

On a side note I bet if someone were to do a pole in Iran 90% of the people of Iran would like either a secular democratic republic or monarchy of their choice #1 and 2 in no particular order.  Quite honestly it does not matter which one at this time, we just need a democratic system!

She is a hypocrite

She and her husband only need power, they are the worst enemies of Islam and Iran. They killed many Muslims on order of her previous Master Saddam and they are planning to kill many more muslims for her new Masters US/Israel/Britain/KSA.

"بدبخت بودیم بیچاره تر شدیم "

آری ام پی دیی بد بخت بودیم بیچاره تر شدیم

مجــاهدین قرار است دیکتاتوری آخوندی را از میان بردارند و بنیاد های دیکتاتوری غیر ملایی بنا گذارند متاسفانه 

بد بخت بودیم بیچاره تر شدیم وصف الحال ما و ملت ماست

امیر نورمندی

MEK exposure by who? Friends or foes?!

        I agree too much POMI/MEK on IC! But looks like those who put up these clips have no love lost for Masoud!

         When it comes to POMI/MEK no publicity is good publicity.

         To use Madam Rajavi's phrase, Day light is anti thesis to MEK! They thrive in darkness!

      By the way in case you watched the Beck video and missed it, he is recommending everyone to read the "Deuteronomy" this week.

       Deuteronomy is a apart of old testament. Here is an excerpt: 

"If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods,” unknown to you or your ancestors before you, gods of the peoples surrounding you, you must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him no pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the s of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death, since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God."(Deuteronomy 13:7-11)

         To recommend a book like this in same breath with advocating democracy one must be either a psycho or a charlatan. In case of Beck he is both :-)

        By the way Deuteronomy also oders a man to kill his bride if she is not virgin at the night of wedding! A parent is ordered to kill a child that talks back to him! Read it for yourself.

        And Islam has been accused of being a violent religion! :-)

         You wanna know why Israeli army is so ruthless? Why they kill first and ask questions later? Like the recent case of killing Egyptian soldiers. Read Deuteronomy.

Roozbeh you didn't get my point

Or, I haven't explained it in a good way (may bad)

What I wanted to say was : If a publisher (for any reason) wants to publish something (which is also normal for a publisher to feature mostly the controversial topics which get more attention) this is their problem.

On the other hand, it is our choice to pay/or not paying the attention he wants to the topics at hand.

My English is not sufficiently good, but I don't know how else I can explain it. I wanted to say that it is our own choice to get involved in a topic which we consider as "not important, not interesting, or outdated" so that we "the readers" will be the conductors of the trends  and not the owner of the site.

Oooooooooofff!