MOJAHEDIN

Masoud,

I am not surprisd that my argument does not make sense to you. Almost always your own arguments are the only ones that make sense to you.

Anahid

Anahid,

The Shah’s regime fell in Feb 1979. During 1979 and 1980 and 1981, the PMOI (for good or ill) was very popular. The vf regime had access to the SAVAK documents. In fact, many SAVAK members were hired to work for SAVAMA. Therefore, if there existed any document on Rajavi collaborating with SAVAK, the vf regime would have definitely used it. There is absolutely no reason for the regime not using such an explosive document.

The FACT that the vf regime could NOT find any document is proof that no such document exists. If it existed, it would have been used.

Your argument does not make sense.

Masoud

Masoud,

Whatever I write, you note that if that were the case, VF would use it to discredit MKO. MKO was discredited among all people except its cultish members by early 1980s, and the members would not believe anything from VF anyway. so the argument that you keep making is a wrong argument.

Anahid

Anahid,

1. Rajavi did NOT collaborate with SAVAK. The vf regime (and some monarchists) spread the rumor. There is absolutely no evidence on this. If there was an iota of evidence, the regime which got hold of SAVAK documents would have immediately published those, which would have TOTALLY destroyed Rajavi.

A monarchist friend (who later left monarchy and became a democrat) made a fake letter on SAVAK letterhead on this issue. I told him that it was wrong to do such a thing. Democracy, especially in a country like Iran, needs HONEST political struggle. Dishonest dirty tricks are harmful for politics.  Although such dishonest actions may benefit one in the short term, in the long run they are very harmful.  We need to replace the practice of vicious false personal attacks with honest exchanges of policy proposals.

2. The PMOI did not have anything to do with the arrest of Taghi Shahram. If the PMOI had anything to do with it, the vf regime would have used it to discredit the PMOI.

3. The vf regime offered Taghi Shahram a deal (no execution) if he agreed to provide info against the Islamist PMOI. To his credit, Shahram refused. Shahram was a Marxist-Leninist by this time, and he regarded the vf regime as the main enemy. The murder of Majid Sharif Vaghefi (who remained faithful to Islamism) was wrong. It was an organizational decision and not a person murder. Such internal purges were COMMON practice in the USSR, where Stalin murdered many of his comrades in the Politburo and the Central Committee, as well as in China where Mao did the same. Internal bloody purges were also carried out by Tudeh Party and Fadaian as well as by fundamentalists and monarchists (especially Reza Shah who murdered many of his own LOYAL supporters on the suspicion that one day they might pose a threat to him or his son!!!!!!!).

JM never carried bloody internal purges. Actually we were sort of victim of this considering the kidnaping, torture, and murder of Gen. Afshartoos (Iran’s Police Chief) by Dr. Mozafar Baghai (former JM), Ayatollah Kashani, and Gen. Zahedi (monarchist).

Masoud

DK we all want Liberation from enslavement of foreign Interests

They have met their foreign interests via ideological domination of iran.  Which is why I said these 3 short paragraphs....

I guess Houshang Amirahmadi is one of those Iranians that left Iran and
became british, "american", french or german and serves others, wow he
has a professorship, what a surprise and is the president of the us
government funded AIC.

Please focus on other countries Houshang, we Iranians certainly don't
need your help, we already have one group of unpatriotic people in power
all we need is advice from another US raised protege to give us all a
lesson on the good of democracy. 

Just like a fox teaching chickens the virtue "good" of openness and why the
best thing for them is openness and they really should protest living in
a cage and come outside and enjoy the free air.  No more advice on
democracy from America.

This amirahmadi will be helping create more enslavement of a different flavor.

We, the people of Iran, do not want a
“Regime Change”, we, the people of Iran want the “Liberation” of Iran
from the rule of any foreign ideological domination and we, the people of
Iran, want to return to our root; Iranian culture and heritage.

MEK is synonymous with: Terror, treason and tyranny!

       Perhaps Mr. Amirahmadi should have sent his article to ONION the political satire magazine! There are statements in there that makes for good laugh! I mean LOL!

       The article is littered with absurd arguments depicting an alternative or rather upside down reality. MEK will have no role in future of Iran regardless of who is in power. MEK is nothing but a menace to the Iranian society! 

        I feel nauseated after reading Hooshang article.  

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Mehrdad

Wake up! Darrand kolla mizarand saarettoon!

It does matter not what Iranians think about delisting because the American regime will make its decision purely on the basis of its own interests, and those interests do not coincide with the interests of Iranians.

You only have to look at those "influential" Americans that have been recruited to lobby for delisting and you will see they are all the same people that lobbied for the invasion of Iraq. (See first article below.)

Wake up people, this has nothing to do with us -- meaning Iranians -- it's about oil, power, and the control of a region that contains 65% if the planets' oil and gas resources.

If you have not read the two articles below about the MEK you may want to do so because they are real eye openers.

//www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/print/content/...

//www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbure...

 Masood Rajavi,

 Masood Rajavi, Maryam, et al whether delisted or not should be tried in international court for treason. They should never be free to roam around and create more shenanigans anywhere.

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

Mr.Hooshang Amirahmadi

First of all who died and made you God  ?!!! You have Zero authority to talk on behalf of the Iranian people. 

Your logic and reasoning in support of delisting is no less pathetic than the support of your Ameircan masters and their allied ( AIPAC ) on this issue. 

Although I care less about who U.S puts on this list or not, cause it is all a joke, but I do care about Iranian Democratic Movement that will be effected by these calculated and deliberate attempts.  

I guess that 400 million dollars U.S budget has also been finding its way to some Universities Professors. Unless you are just too naive in your understanding of the entire situation I have no better explanation of your unwise support of this delisting. 

Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it

The history reminds us that a small brutal armed entity can take a nation hostage and do as they please in the name of government or religion.  Examples include Burma, Pot-Pol, IRI, Saddam .......... or the newcomer in the scene: MEK.

They lost thier legitimacy

 
the MEK lost their legitmacy when they moved to Iraq and their member turn to informer for IR . their history is full of lies and deception& destruction. Massod & maryam are the same as khamenei and ahmadinejad .

Maryam whit green cloth can fool herself and reformist(khatami,mosavi and so on).

they are good to be use for (golooleh dame toop)

There is no limit to stupidity & ignorance of this group

wow Esfand jaan, great comment

Your comment is great. It reminds me why we were not intrested in history of Paykar. I remembered that we called them Maoist which was really low in our eyes. What I did not remember was "Anvar Khoje" and Albania :))). At least Soviet Union was a super power.

Again, as far as original leaders of MKO,  you are correct that they were held in very high esteem. Other important people in history of Mujahedin were siblings from Rezai family.

Masoud Rajavi is shameless. Marrying Bani Sadr 's daughter just for politics of it. As if he and Bani Sadr were "sarane do ghabeele" who had to use marriage for estehkaame payvandhaye siassee/maali.

Rajavi was not an original leader/founder of MKO.

Although this history of MKO on wiki is hotly contested (surprise, surprise!) the original leaders and founders of MKO were Mohammad Hanifnejad, Saied Mohsen and Ali-Asghar Badizadegan.  I remember MKO members referred to these 3 as saints.  Their names actually has a ring to it.

Anyway, I'd not put anything past Rajavi, including being a member or a collaborater with SAVAK.  Once the MKO was broken apart by Shah and SAVAK, after revolution Rajavi "stole" the show and the organization.

After revolution he first married the widow of Khiayabani, an original leader, within days of him being killed in a street battle with IRI.  If I'm not mistaken his newly bride was also killed in another street battle.  He then soon married Bani Sadr's daughter (must have been in Vegas because they were soon divorced :-) and again if I'm not mistaken Maryam was also a widow of another MKO leader killed in battle.

So the guy has no shame.

Now as far as Paykar they were really nutjobs!  Their utopian society was Albania!  Albania!  They refered to Anwar Khojeh as the best guy in the world!

What MKO and Paykar shared was the reaction you'd get if you insulted Rajavi or Anwar Khojeh! 

Everything is sacred

Fools forever?

Not in a democracy.

In a democracy politicians can win hearts and minds and seize the moment (or fool you when the time is right, if you want to look it that way) and come to power for a limited time. But if they disappoint you and don't keep their promises, you can vote them out. Or the country will improve and you vote to keep them in power.

In a dictatorship, whether it is a theocracy, a monarchy or a marxist state, under any ideology that limits the power of the people to change their government, things will always get worse. Rulers will impose their will. They will not listen to the majority. They will not listen to reason.

The Mojahedin will NEVER come to power, not in its current Stalinist state, not if there are free and fair elections.

Those who assume people to be gullible fools who can be dominated forever are doubting their own intelligence, their own ability to impact change. They consider themselves helpless and at the mercy of foreign powers, sitting and waiting for a savior to fall from the sky.

What a pity we still have Iranians that will be deceived 1000 X

Surely capturing the MEK and putting them on trial is what countries
like the USA/Germany/France/UK should be doing if they had any
consideration for the human rights of Iranians.

But wait a minute, they are nefarious terrorists that were created and
given all kinds of support by these countries, to harm Iranians from
within.

I guess Houshang Amirahmadi is one of those Iranians that left Iran and
became british, "american", french or german and serves others, wow he
has a professorship, what a surprise and is the president of the us
government funded AIC.

Please focus on other countries Houshang, we Iranians certainly don't
need your help, we already have one group of unpatriotic people in power
all we need is advice from another US raised protege to give us all a
lesson on the good of democracy. 

Just like a fox teaching chickens the virtue of openness and why the
best thing for them is openness and they really should protest living in
a cage and come outside and enjoy the free air.  No more advice on
democracy from America.

This disgrace is going to cause a big distraction in Iran.

Instead of getting the people to unite to liberate themselves it diverts their attention.

Just because the MEK is more despised than the IRI, due to its ongoing crimes against humanity.

America Loves Islam in Government for Iranians.  They are doing everything in their power to maintain this regime.

Thanks Roozbeh

I remmeber the name Taghi Shahram. But combination of passage of the time and the information that I am not sure I had at the time have resulted in me just knowing or relearning some of these facts again. For instance the fact that Paykar came from Mujahedin. I must have forgotten this, until I talked to a friend couple months ago. She used to belong to Paykar and was telling me how members of paykar were conservative about clothing that they liked women members to wear. I was very surprised until she explained that Paykar came from Mujahedin. In any case, I just saw this information on Taghi Shahram today and I would have to read more about him.

Dear Anahid: Taghi Shahram and MKO

Based on Shahram's (RIP) Prison letters published recently, he despite his radical differences with the islamic branch of MKO (Led ny rajavi) repeatedly asked for not only MKO leaders but also other groups to participate in his sham of the court as a condition for him defending himself. Islamic regime did not allow that (although he was being allegedly tried for the alleged killing of islamic members of MKO). So he simply refused to attend the court. The court room instead was filled with the most reactionary elements of "mujahedeen". The collaboraters with SAVAK who had grown beard and became "muslim" hezbullahis overnight.

Make no mistake, execution of Taghi shahram so soon after the revolution was not only a declaration of war against Marxists. It was a declaration of war against all secular forces. A declaration of war by the islamist regime  against anyone who would not buy into their shamefull, fascistic idea of velayate faghih which has brought Iran to it's current shamefull state....

If you get a chance , read Taghi Sharam's letetrs. I read some and was most impressed by the character, knowledge, intelligence and resolve of this most exceptional Revolutionary Marxist. He was quite something unique, despite his mistakes (remebere, these are twenty something guys thrown into a revolutionary situation...)

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

AmirAhmadi... The ball is in the US court of goodwill.

US Good will... wait until you see how Iranian people will respond to the US Good will.

Lets reflect, we have an organization that was running the death squads, murdering an estimated several thousand of iranians without trial, for khomeini during the revolution. 

They were then responsible for killing iranians during the iran/iraq war.

Next they were active in helping saddam committ crimes against humanity by again murdering thousands of unarmed shia in the south during the 1991 uprising and kurds in the north.  The USA had saddam executed for acts this group carried out.

So why would any Iranian advise the USA to delist a terrorist group more despized by the plurality of iranians even more than the current regime?

  Clearly this act of good will you are requesting will create irrepairable damage for the united states reputation among iranians for over a generation.

Shouldn't you at least make your case of delisting them contingent on them not being active in terrorism?  This means a factual decision based on are they terrorists today or not.

Where is your concern for justice?  After all they have committed crimes against humanity, mass murders?  Taking them off the list with out justice will be seen as everything is okay with them in the eyes of the USA.  And it should not be.  How come the US doesn't put pressure on the international community to bring their leaders to justice? 

The people of Iran will feel and overwhelmingly conclude, that during their darkest hours instead of being supported by the civilized world, they were in fact betrayed.  Betraying the nation directly will be remembered for a long time.

Neutralization through re-legitimization

The AIC will be lumped in the same category as the NIAC if it is looking to promote any form of "appeasement"...this is a broadly defined term MEK supporters will use to describe anything which tends to increase the utility of the regime.

Dear Darius

I think you meant your comment for me. You wrote that iif such info existed, IRI would use it to destroy MEK leadership. I believe there are so many negatives present that they don't need this one.

Masoud, thanks for the info about

who was responsible for the assassinations.  As far as role of Mojahedin in arrest of Taghi Shahram, it was noted that Shahram was spotted by one of Mojahedin on the street. The person made a scene and attracted attention which resulted in arrest. Then during trail, MEK did not do any support or demand that Shahram should not be executed.  

You know that I am not and never was fan of Mojahedin or Paykar but I just hope that people use wealth of information and just read more about history of Mojahedin.

As far as suspicious, I meant that the articles mentioned that some prisoners believed that "Rajavi" was doing "hamkaari" with savak.

To the author: what are you smoking?!

         You consider yourself a political analyst or pundit or activist?!

There are many utterly absurd statements in this article but particularly funny one is this: "delisting (MEK) can advance US-Iran relations and Iranian reconciliation - the musts for democracy in Iran"!

         Have you lost your mind?! Advancing US-Iran relations by delisting MEK?! This is the most preposterous statement I have heard from any pundit on Iran's politics. Reconciliation between who? Iran's government and US?! Iranian people and US?! If there is something Iranian government and its opposition share it is the hatred for MEK. The only reconciliation that comes about unleashing MEK is between Iran Gov and rest of the opposition.

Anyone who underestimates the degree of deep repugnance that Iranian citizens feel towards MEK should stop being a political analyst and get another job! 

         Sir, perhaps it's time for you to take a vacation from politics. Go to caribbean and sip some margarita and forget it all. I don't know what you are smoking but I want some of that!

Anahid

What do you mean by some people were suspicious of Rajavi in prison? Explain. Suspicious of what?

Dear Maryam

Anahid

Anahid,

I did a research on this in 2004 or so. I looked at the dates of the assassinations and the dates from which the Marxist-Leninists took over the PMOI. With one exception, ALL the assassinations of Americans occurred AFTER Taghi Shahram and others who had become Marxists took over the PMOI. Rajavi was in prison and the mastermind of that sole one was one of the Rezaee brothers. After the revolution, the PMOI is its publications took credit for the one that Rezaeee did.  At the time Rajavi was in prison and it is not clear whether or not he knew about it. 

These are facts that the politically involved activists know.  In the late 1980s and 1990s, the PMOI explicitly stated that the assassinations were NOT the work of the Islamist PMOI.  My contacts in Peykar quielty and unofficially confirm this.

AFTER the revolution, Peykar made very radical demands (e.g., immediate overthrow of capitalism and imperialism and the establishment of proletarian communist system) while at the same time opposing armed struggle. The Peykar only used radical slogans. They did NOT make any plans for insurrection or anything. So almost within days after the dismissal of President Bani Sadr, the regime arrested their members and executed them. Some of the leaders were tortured, who confessed to all sort of "crimes" and then executed.

The PMOI had NO role whatsoever in the arrest of Taghi Shahram.  Neither the Paykar ever alleged this, nor the PMOI ever claimed that. 

You may look at this site:

//peykarandeesh.org/index.php

//www.peykarandeesh.org/peykarIndex.html

I hope these are helpful.

MK

Anahid jaan: Thanks for sharing the information

interesting but not surprising find.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Please do more reading about these people on Internet

I just did a quick search on

مسعود رجوی  تقی شهرام

and found some very interesting information. In my quick search tonight, I found articles that indicate how Mujahedin had a role in arrest of "Taghi Shahram". Some articles also mention how many were suspicious of Rajavi in prison. I can believe that. I was at front of Ghasr prison when Rajavi was freed and made a speech. He did not look like someone who had been suffering in prison.