HOPELSSS

Dear Esfand, it is not only the ones who got killed

Thousands were killed and many were put to jail but freed after few years. Many of those who were jailed practically became apolitical because of being so afraid. Besides many such as myself left the country. Of those who stayed, many have been leaving Iran after university studies and some years of working. Among my own high school classmates, many who are graduates of Sharif, Amir kabir or doctors and were in Iran in 1980s and some even in 1990s and were not politically active, have been leaving Iran for various reasons.

When I look back at my classmates, friends and relatives,yes, there are some who are thriving, I do not deny that. I have friends and family members who have excellent jobs even women. I know of university professors, surgeons, doctors, engineers including women engineers but some were Islamic and the ones who were not, some of those are leaving Iran, as we talk. Some of my friends have been going between Iran and Canada for many years and finally now that their kids are university age, they are more inclined to leave Iran for the sake of their kids and these are people who were thriving. So I am not denying that some people are thriving but even many who were thriving in Iran in 1980s and 1990s and early 2000s have left Iran or are leaving. Dear Esfand, I don't have to tell you that if someone was thinking to stay or leave Iran, events of summer of 2009 just made them more determined to leave.

Dear esfand, you wrote:"Besides the crimes committed during Mousavi were front and center during
the presidential campaign.  It wasn't brushed aside and people were
talking about it, yet they voted for him.  I was there and heard about
it all the time and in the streets actually. " Since I have not even travelled to Iran for more than 25 year, I will not dicuss this in more detail and I agree to certain extent, Moussavi's role in 1980s were discussed during 2009 elections. 

Anahid jaan people of ur generation r well and thriving in Ira

How many people were executed during Mousavi's rein? 20,000? 30,000?  Not a small number by any means but not in the millions which is the number of that generation.

Besides the crimes committed during Mousavi were front and center during the presidential campaign.  It wasn't brushed aside and people were talking about it, yet they voted for him.  I was there and heard about it all the time and in the streets actually. 

Anyway, Mousavi and the reform movement as a whole is evolving as we speak.  When we get to the next presidential election we'll witness what the events since the post election events of 2009 has accomplished. 

Everything is sacred

To those who say that Moussavi enjoys popular support, I say

One reason that Moussavi enjoys popular support is that many of people who would have been against him were eliminated one way or other through actions of IRI at the time that Moussavi was prime minister. Most of those executed and forced to leave the country or forced to stay quiet for the fear of jail would be againt Moussavi if they were in Iran and politically active. Not only those were eliminated but their children don't have a say either. People like me if we were in Iran, not only we would not support Moussavi but our teenagers would not support him. And people who were executed; sadly, they did not live to have a say or have any kids. That is one reason why young generation of Iran is skewed towards Moussavi and other reformist leaders.

not so fast

I believe Mousavi has given up on IR only when he removes that photo of his Imam Khomeini from behind him. Until then he prefers IR as it is to a secular democracy.

Afraid of collapse of Islamic Republic, he neutralized the People movement . 

قطع امید (با کمی بزک مردسالاری)

Mousavi has always been a “hopeless” man as his only “hope” had been cut off @ his birth time & in the hospital; while being circumcised that is! No wonder he is so gently “green” & so softly "feminine!"

Even though the comparison

Even though the comparison of the Gestapo and Iranian security services vise a vie Iranian people is a right and correct comparison, Mousavi (IMHO) is only after power for himself. The issue for Iranian people is not AN as he will be gone in a couple of years or so, the issue (again IMHO) is the system and Velayat Faghih. Mousavi and his camp are fundamentally in the same camp as VF and that is incompatible with the aspiration of Iranians for a free and democratic & secular Iran

Mehrdad

اگر این موسوی و کروبی نبودند که قهر مردم رو کانالیزه کنند

بساط خ.ر. و ا.ن. و بقیه نکبتهای جمهوری اسلامی اینطور چیده نمیشد!

حالا این ملت، بیکار غرب نشین، که نه روشون زوریه، نه فلاکت، برا ما کر-کری میخونند!!

ولی اگر موسوی و یا کروبی رو بگیرند بکشند، ملت ای.سی میان برا ما شب شمع به پا میکنند ,بلاگ مشاعره فیلسوفی راه میاندازند و غیره ...

به ما میگبن ملت "لنگش کن, مرده پرست".

بیخود نیست، ملاها با مرگ ۷۲ تا تازی هنوز که هنوزه برا خودشون دکون دارند. شما ها، با چوسان فسان های ده من يه غازتون هیچ بهتراز اون مفلوک های ملا به دوش نیستید

از کیسهٔ خلیفه بخشیدن خاصیت بعضی‌ از ما ایرانیهاست!

Yes the focus of Iranians should be to dismiss Mousavi!  No matter what he says or does or even dies for it! 

Everything is sacred

True

Well said. The uprising is legitimate, but the leadership is yet to be determined.

You are very right.

This "Minority" would be the determined, focused ready to risk everything leadership of the movement we are so dearly lacking , and was so missing during the post election uprising. The regime, very much like Pahlavi's has been very good at depleting the ranks of and destroying any form of secular organisation capable of mobilising the "majority" behind itself. Prime oppurtunity for (foreign, oil hungry) counter revolution to introduce it's own pawn as the "leader of Revolution/Reform" 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Majority !

But how many times in our history has it been proven that our majorities were the ones that did most of the damages to us? Was it not the majority that went after Khomeini or cast the vote of YES to an Islamic Republic as in oppose to Republic of Iran?  Our history and nation has repeatedly been saved by brave minorities (I mean numbers and not ethnicities) that eventually channeled the majority to right direction. Thought?

As much as I agree with the comments here...

The fact remains that he still enjoys sizeable support amongst the Iranian masses, and no alternative secular  leader/organisation has yet managed to take ownership of the movement and take it to the next stage. So with worsening economical situation, the bitter fact is that we will be looking at explosions of uprising and riots in Iran in months and years to come. The outcome and size of these riots and uprisings could be anyone's guess, because they'll be spontaneous and not planned or organised. sounds somehow similar to Iran 1977, before we know who jumped on the bandwagon and became the "Father of revolution", killing it's child in the process....   

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Joke

Mousavi should go and smoke his opium with his gol bghali wife. Keshvar ghahto lrejal be hamin migan, you got this joker as a leader of oposition. 

Souri

Thank you. We have seen so many Bani Sadr(s) since the dawn of theocracy in Iran that we no longer believe anyone that easily. Good to see you.

Aay gofti.....!

Bravo Jeesh Daram jon! Right on the subject ;-)

The good behavior of the people, warms our heart and make us thankful.....  And the bad ones, just make us to recognize and appreciate the good ones!

سگ زرد

سگ زرد برادر شغال است. زمان آن رسیده است که او هم بفرانسه هجرت کند.  مارا بخیر تو امید نیست، شر مرسان