MOJAHEDIN

MK re: McCain

I am glad you finally decided to acknowledge it Now to the points:

• McCain is pro American. Note I did not say pro democracy {he is Republican}. He supports what he deems good for America and obviously considers PMOI bad.
• Of course McCain may criticize PMOI or anything else he wants. It is his freedom of speech.
• Then you say basically McCain should also criticize the Shah. Now you are lecturing him. It is his business who he criticizes! McCain likes pro-Americans and opposes anti-Americans pretty easy to understand!

You should just once try to talk less and listen more. Stop lecturing people from me to McCain. Maybe he or even I know something you don't. For example McCain knows Shah was good for the region {despite his dictatorship} while PMOI is bad.

We or rather both Iranians and Americans {under Jimmy Carter} listened to your side. The results are the catastrophe known as IRI. Where not even you are willing to live! Now you tell me to trust you again and this time go with PMOI. I say no: How about we try other ideas for a change? I am not even sure which ideas. But I am sure I do not want to listen to those whose ideas brought IRI and now tell me to trust PMOI. No thank you,

Response for Bavafa

MK: 1. Do members of NIAC have the right to vote for the President of NIAC??????? Please either "yes," or "no."

B: I simply don't know.

MK: You are a member of the NIAC and you do NOT know the very basic fact about whether or not you have the right to choose the President of NIAC?????????

Please provide a FACTUAL statement.

Comparing NIAC with a company or university is false. A company is there to make profits. A company does not claim to be promoting democracy or representing the view of a population. A mom and pop restaurant could open. If people like the food, the company succeeds. Large publically traded companies have stock holders. The stock holders elect boards. The board chooses and gets rid of the president. A university is not a democracy. It is a meritocratic institution. The professors and administration are not elected by the students.

NIAC is a group that apparently engages in lobbying. Therefore, it should be compared with such groups. NIAC seems to be modeling itself after AIPAC. The questions is do members of AIPAC have the right to vote for their Presidents. It is either yes or no. Do members of AIPAC have the right to vote for members of the Board. Are there many individuals who are elected by the Board to the Presidency of AIPAC or there is ONLY one dude who has been its President-for-life???????

If the members of NIAC do not have the right to vote for their president, then it seems logical to me call NIAC’s structure a DICTATORIAL one. If the members of NIAC do not have the right to vote for the members of the Board, then it appears to me that one may call NIAC a dictatorial group. The above is on structure.

The other questions is about the actual practice.

MK: 2. When was the last time that members of NIAC voted for the President of NIAC?

B: I simply don't know, but this is a rather young organization and one would not expect to see an array of presidents in such short period of time.

MK: Please find out and provide us with actual official statement. If NIAC was established in 2002. It is 2011. So for 9 years, there has not been any elections for the President????????????

There should be new elections every 2 years or 4 years. But after 9 years, apparently there has NOT been one single election whereby the simple members of NIAC have voted for the President of this organization???????!!!!!!!

If a POLITICAL/POLICY organization does NOT have internal democracy, how could it legitimately claim that it wants democracy???????

MK: 3. Please provide the names of the candidates who competed against Dr. Trita Parsi (and lost the election to him).

B: Simply don't know, but lack of my knowledge is not a reason for lack of candidates. I am sure if you join and participate, you can demand the information. Until you have demanded and rejected the information, you can not claim to the contrary.

MK: I am publically asking members of NIAC to provide this information publically. If you are a member of NIAC then you should be able to obtain and share this basic info.

MK: 4. Isn’t it true that members of NIAC do NOT have the right to vote for whom they want as the President.

B:Repetitive question. Already answered

MK: fair. I wanted to ask the same question in another manner in case you wanted to play games instead of providing honest answers.

MK: 5b. Do simple members of NIAC vote for the members of the Board?????

B: Members do, not sure what simple means but it is not locked out of members hand.

MK: This is the FIRST time that you actually provided an answer instead of saying you do not know!!!!!!!

You are saying that in open elections the simple members of NIAC actually have VOTED to elect some members to the Board and vote AGAINST other candidates of the Board. I would be most grateful if you can provide some evidence that this actually did take place. Please provide a link in which all the simple members of NIAC were allowed to participate in an election for the members of the Board. Could you also please provide the list of candidates who did NOT win the vote.

MK: 5c. Am I correct or wrong that appointed board members choose president (who in the fist place had chosen them)?

B: Isn't this the normal way for vast majority of organizations. I fail to see the issue here.

MK: If the simple members of NIAC (that is all the dues paying members of NIAC) vote in an open election for the members of the Board, then that would be a democratic procedure. But if a few individuals establish a Board and that Board or its president appoints the members of the Board and then these appointed members of the Board vote for President, then this is NOT a democratic group. Because Trita Parsi (and the few others) have chosen those members and those members simply choose TP. There is NO vote by the simple members of NIAC. If there is no VOTE by the simple members of NIAC for the Board, then NIAC is NOT a democratic group.

And now to your questions.

B: Here are my questions for you

Since you seem to be in support of MEK and overly concern about the free and open election of persidency

MK: I am NOT in support of the PMOI. I am a member of the JM. I strongly oppose PMOI’s ideology, PMOI’s leadership, PMOI’s policies. You may read my extensive analysis of the PMOI is several of my publications. This is available on this site:

//iranian.com/main/2008/fatal-attractions

B: 1. Do members of MEK have the right to vote for the President of MEK???????

MK: no.

B: 2. When was the last time that members of MEK voted for the President of MEK?

MK: Sometimes between 1986 and 1987 the PMOI changed drastically. Before that the PMOI had a Central Committee and Politburo or Executive Committee. The Central Committee would elect EC. There were only a handful of the guerrillas and they chose who would hold what position. After 1987 or so, there are no elections for Masoud Rajavi. The PMOI established a Parliament in Exile and their so-called Parliament in exile voted for Maryam Rajavi.

B: 3. Please provide the names of the candidates who competed against Maryam Rajavi (and lost the election to him).

MK: None. Apparently the PMOI and NIAC share this in common.

B: 4. Isn’t it true that members of MEK do NOT have the right to vote for whom they want as the President, nor have the option to leave the organization freely without any fear of harm?

MK: It is true that the members of the PMOI do not have the right to vote for whom they want as the President (like NIAC). I do not know about the latter. Many many members of the PMOI have actually left the PMOI before the revolution, after the revolution, and today. There are many reports that while they were engaged in armed struggle, the PMOI would not allow the critical members to simply leave. One should criticize the PMOI for that. I suppose their argument is like the argument that many armed forces make that one could not simply go AVOL in the middle of an armed conflict knowing about the intelligence of the organization.

B: 5. Isn't true that MEK sided with Saddam against Iran while Iran was at war and occupied by Iraqi forces.

MK: As far as I am aware, the PMOI sided with Saddam AFTER the Iranian forces kicked Saddam out of much of Iran and AFTER Khomeini took the war into Iraqi territory. In 1982, Saddam was kicked out of Khorramshahr and asked for ceasefire. Khomeini rejected the ceasefire and took the war into Iraq in order to overthrow Saddam and establish a puppet fundamentalist regime. And Khomeini’s slogan was "Rahe Qods as Karbala migozarad." In other words, Khomeini wanted to go to Israel via Iraq.

One can (and I do) condemn PMOI for collaborating with Saddam. But it would be wrong to say that they did so while Iran was "occupied by Iraqi forces." The PMOI collaborated with Saddam while Khomeini wanted to occupy Iraqi territory and invade Israel.

Khomeini’s grandson revealed that Hassan Ayat (top leader in the Islamic Republican Party) said in a secret meeting of the high level leaders of the Islamic Republican Party that they should not help the war effort because if they did, President Bani Sadr would be regarded as the person who won the war and then he would have more political power. It is believed that Khomeini gang were responsible for Iran not winning the war earlier. If true, this is TREASON committed by Khomeini and the Islamic Republican Party (among whose leaders were Mousavi, Khatami, Khamenei, Rafsanjani, etc).

B: 5a. Wouldn't such action (i.e siding with the enemy while at war) constitute treason in all nations, including Iran?

MK: Yes. I suppose the PMOI would make the analogy of Germans siding with the anti-Hitler forces during WWII. Many Germans worked with the Allies against the Nazis during WWII. Many Italians worked with the Allies during WWII against the Fascists in Italy. Lenin collaborated with the Germans during WWI against the Russian government.

B: 5b. Giving the hatred of Iranian people for MEK treacherous action, simply destroy any opposition to IRI if they are closely affiliated with MEK?

MK: In my opinion, it is wise for the opposition to stay away from the PMOI. As long as the PMOI does not bother the other opposition groups, we should ignore them.

NIAC is also hated by many many Iranians (as we can observe in this blog).

B: 5c. Am I correct or wrong that there is nothing democratic in nature or practice by MEK, they have killed opposition without any sense of true or perceived justice?

MK: As far as I am aware, the PMOI has not killed any member of the Iranian opposition. The PMOI has never killed any of our members.

Let me re-state what I wrote earlier:

We may infer the following from the responses in this blog:

1. NIAC is, at least, equally hated as the PMOI.

2. Arguably NIAC is MORE hated than the PMOI

3. Vast sectors strongly oppose and detest NIAC’s policies towards the terrorist regime.

4. Vast sectors want to see the PMOI have a place on the table.

5. Vast sectors do not support the PMOI, but they strongly oppose the genocidal policies advocated by the fundamentalist terrorist regime against the PMOI, and strongly oppose NIAC policies on the PMOI.

What is most significant is that those who did not fall for NIAC "propaganda" are the regular normal Iranians who spontaneously participated. There was NO organized team of pro-democracy groups, or monarchists, or socialists, or PMOI supporters who organized the responses. But NIAC has an Internet Response Team that monitors and participates at Iranian.com to influence the results. This should indicate that the views of the general public, would in all likelihood, be far more anti-NIAC.

Ramification for U.S. policy:

1. De-list the PMOI

2. The PMOI is just one among many opposition groups. The PMOI is the most organized but also one of the least popular groups. The PMOI could NOT win any elections in Iran. But due to its highly organized nature, it could provide some assistance to the U.S. government.

3. NIAC should be shunned by the American policy makers. Large sectors of Iranian-Americans strongly despise NIAC.

In sum, in my opinion, NIAC promotes policies that help Khamenei’s regime (e.g., provide billions and billions of dollars given to Khamenei year after year by removing the sanctions; recognizing and making financial deals with the terrorist regime, reducing pressure on the terrorist regime).

In my opinion, the PMOI promotes policies that harm the terrorist regime.

In my opinion, for all those who want to overthrow the terrorist regime, NIAC policies harm our struggle. That is why in my opinion, NIAC is an enemy. The PMOI does not pose a major threat (under current conditions). They primarily will weaken the terrorist regime. When there are free elections in Iran, I am confident that the PMOI will not get more than 5% of the vote. In my opinion, the pro-democracy forces will win any free and democratic elections in Iran. Therefore, in my opinion NIAC is harmful, but the PMOI may not necessarily be harmful in the struggle against the terrorist regime.

Masoud

P.S. If you are a member of NIAC, then please find the answers to the questions at the beginning of this exchange.

Masoud: I accept your terms of debate

And will look forward to reading your HONEST answers.

1. Do members of NIAC have the right to vote for the President of NIAC??????? Please either "yes," or "no."

I simply don't know. But the fact that there is a board of directors and they can choose the president, is an indication of possible change. if board of directors are not happy with the performance of the president, they can simply replace him/her, in another word it is not for life. It is also note worthy that vast majority of organizations, universities and companies in US operate on the same manner. One can hardly believe that all are of a dictatorial bases. I also know for a fact that they have had meetings with their members regarding the priority of the issues to the members and ranked the concerns accordingly in order to pursue them as members saw fit.

2. When was the last time that members of NIAC voted for the President of NIAC?

I simply don't know, but this is a rather young organization and one would not expect to see an array of presidents in such short period of time.

3. Please provide the names of the candidates who competed against Dr. Trita Parsi (and lost the election to him).

Simply don't know, but lack of my knowledge is not a reason for lack of candidates. I am sure if you join and participate, you can demand the information. Until you have demanded and rejected the information, you can not claim to the contrary.

4. Isn’t it true that members of NIAC do NOT have the right to vote for whom they want as the President.

Repetitive question. Already answered

5. Isn’t it true that Trita Parsi and a few others created NIAC. These few also create a Board of Directors (or something to that effect).

5a. Who selects the members of the Board of Directors?????

5b. Do simple members of NIAC vote for the members of the Board?????

Members do, not sure what simple means but it is not locked out of members hand.

5c. Am I correct or wrong that appointed board members choose president (who in the fist place had chosen them)?

Isn't this the normal way for vast majority of organizations. I fail to see the issue here.

Here are my questions for you

Since you seem to be in support of MEK and overly concern about the free and open election of persidency

1. Do members of MEK have the right to vote for the President of MEK???????

2. When was the last time that members of MEK voted for the President of MEK?

3. Please provide the names of the candidates who competed against Maryam Rajavi (and lost the election to him).

4. Isn’t it true that members of MEK do NOT have the right to vote for whom they want as the President, nor have the option to leave the organization freely without any fear of harm?

5. Isn't true that MEK sided with Saddam against Iran while Iran was at war and occupied by Iraqi forces

5a. Wouldn't such action (i.e siding with the enemy while at war) constitute treason in all nations, including Iran?

5b. Giving the hatred of Iranian people for MEK treacherous action, simply destroy any opposition to IRI if they are closely affiliated with MEK?

5c. Am I correct or wrong that there is nothing democratic in nature or practice by MEK, they have killed opposition without any sense of true or perceived justice?

You manner of response (not the answers but manners) will determine if we can continue this debate and if you have respect for your own words.

Mehrdad

P.S. Last time I was interrogated with a "yes" or "no" type question was roughly 30 years ago and by IRI (Sepah). I was still in the service of my country defending against Iraq. You have no idea what you sound like.

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

"Liars, Murderers and Traitors"???

Shazdeh, get a hold of yourself. 

Tell that ("Liars, Murderers and Traitors") to IRI supporters.  We are a diversified group of Iranian-Americans who suport NIAC for what it does for Iranian-Americans.  If you or the so called professor show bona fide evidence as to why Trita Parsi is an IRI agent, I would be the first one to spit at them.  The same professor also accused Trita Parsi as being a CIA agent because he may / has met with many US government agencies as an Iranian-American organization. 

Trita Parsi attends many meetings (youtube) and he may have crossed with or arranged a meeting or two based on request (Pugwash or US representatives), but that does not make him an IRI agent. 

Here is a direct quote from an email that Trita Parsi wrote to Roger Stern that was from a link that "the professor" provided (//www.iranian-americans.com/docs/Negotiation.pdf) as evidence that Trita Parsi is an IRI agent

Page 6: Trita Parsi email to Roger Stern: …… “You are absolutely right when it comes to Iran’s support of terror and its human rights abuse.  Unfortunately, nothing has set back the democracy movement in Iran more than the current tensions with the US.”  ……  The same PDF reference places Trita in Israel and other places with Israelis.  Does that make him a Mossad agent?

I fell into the professor's "yes" or "no" game once and thought that he really wanted answers and tried to get them for him, but he turned those answers around to more endless questions.  NO MORE!!!

I also respect Mosaddegh, but just because someone claim to be JM, you cannot poo-poo everyone else.

On Sen. McCain

VPK,

Sen. McCain has every right to oppose the PMOI. Anyone who supports democracy should be very critical of the PMOI and other dictatorial groups (e.g., monarchists and Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi). What Sen. McCain wrote contains errors of fact. For example, sometimes in 1972 the Marxists in the PMOI took control from the Islamist faction (under the leadership of Rajavi). The Marxist faction later became known as Paykar (Paykar Dar rahe Azadi Tabagheh Kargar). It was Paykar that assassinated those Americans from 1972. Based on my research only one American was assassinated while the PMOI was under the leadership of Rajavi. At that time Rajavi was in prison and it is not clear if he ordered the assassination. After the revolution, Rajavi’s PMOI did take credit for the assassination of that one American under the command of one of the Rezai brothers.

On the PMOI support for the hostage taking. It was the fundamentalist supporters of Khomeini who took the Americans hostage. The main leaders of the terrorists who took Americans hostage are the leaders of the REFORMIST faction such as Mohsen Mirdamadi (leader of the Islamic Iran Participation Front), Abbas Abdi (Karrubi’s adviser), Reza Khatami (President Khatami’s brother, and former leader of Islamic Iran Participation Front), Masoumeh Ebtekar (Deputy VP on Environmental Affair for President Khatami). It is interesting that the REAL TERRORISTS who took the Americans hostage are ok, but the PMOI morons who supported the hostage taking should be regarded as terrorist!!!!!!!!

The PMOI should be condemned for the bad things they did. There are a lot of bad stuff that the PMOI has done.

In conclusion, Sen. McCain should criticize the PMOI as well as the monarchists and the CIA that destroyed our lukewarm democracy and imposed a terrible brutal tyranny on Iran in 1953.

The pro-democracy Iranians are in pro-democracy groups such as the Jebhe Melli Iran and a few other groups.

Any other question?

MK

Shazdeh

Don't forget McCain; that evil supporter of IRI and NIAC. He is the worst of them all with his relentless support of IRI!!

Liars, Murderers and Traitors

You bunch of IRI brown nosers of NIAC, you have no shame.

You pieces of junk would twist every bit of half truth to get your paychecks.

You live and die for your masters and justify any act of murder and terror that they commit.

"IRI has supported some terror acts ... just because of US aggressive policy."

"IRI has killed 50,000 opposition members ... just because they were terrorists."

"IRI has some human rights violation ... because they are misunderstood and mistreated."

Shame on NIAC ... Shame on IRI sympathizers and agents! You should be classified as terrorist aiders and lackeys!

MK

You just don't get it do you? This is not about NIAC. It is about MEK and thier support. I have my own question. What about the link to McCain. He also opposes MEK is he working for IRI; well is he: yes or no!

VPK - calm down my friend

My defense was also brutal, but I came out of that "interrogation" respecting my professors for their knowlege, and not for the got-ya-moment in a "yes" or "no" endles Q/A session.

Questions for NIAC and NIAC Internet Response Team

I would be grateful if NIAC or the NIAC Internet Response Team would provide HONEST answers to my questions.

1. Do members of NIAC have the right to vote for the President of NIAC??????? Please either "yes," or "no."

2. When was the last time that members of NIAC voted for the President of NIAC?

3. Please provide the names of the candidates who competed against Dr. Trita Parsi (and lost the election to him).

4. Members of NIAC do NOT have the right to vote for whom they want as the President: "True" or "False."

5. Isn’t it true that Trita Parsi and a few others created NIAC. These few also create a Board of Directors (or something to that effect).

5a. Who selects the members of the Board of Directors?????

5b. Do simple members of NIAC vote for the members of the Board?????

5c. Am I correct or wrong that appointed board members choose president (who in the fist place had chosen them)?

I look forward to reading your HONEST answers to these questions.

Thanks,

Masoud

MM

When I was in college I had far better professors than MK. They actually reasoned and used logic. They did not hold students in "trials" except for of course the Ph.D. Thesis defense! 

I am not sure what JM was offered but it must have been sweet. Pretty much to get them to support a gang of traitors. What respect I once had for JM is all gone now. I hoped for unity but it is not going to happen this way. The unity we get will come from people inside Iran. It will make it more difficult and take more time. But sooner or later things will change. No thanks to JM; AIPAC or MEK. They can ask as many "yes" or "no" questions as they want. We are not required to respond.

Mehrdad - we are not in college anymore

Do not fall into yes/no college-type exams by some "professors".  Your answers will be turned around into more endless questions.  With the end result of taking the argument away from the main subject here.

Again, this is about MKO being pushed on us as the representative of the Iranian democratic movement.  Do you want that? "yes" or "no" ;-)

I agree with

Mehrdad. MK: You rest your case indeed! What is this a trial? I am not on trial and you are not a judge or a prosecutor. If you are incapable of understanding my posts that is not my problem. Other people seem to have no problem with them.

I repeat for the sake of others. NIAC is not on trial here. This is about MEK and whether we should support it. The AIPAC is in a frenzy to salvage their investment in MEK. They made a big mistake and should just write it off as a bad investment.

As they said about some dot com investments. No matter how much lipstick you put on this pig it is still a pig! MEK is a bad investment and AIPAC wasted a lot of money. Time to cut their losses and move on. Not my fault they messed it up.

Bavafa

Bavafa,

YOU mentioned me in your post entitled "The Flaw in MK."  YOU critique my position, I will critique your position.

This is a DEBATE. In a debate each side asks the other side QUESTIONS. When one side (e.g., you) do not have good answers, they chicken out and run away. There is NOTHING wrong with questions which could simply be answered by a simple "yes" or "no" response. If you would like to provide detailed essay in response, go ahead. Nobody is stopping you. At least be HONEST and admit that you do not have good responses.

Masoud

P.S. If other members of the NIAC Internet Response Team are able and willing to provide responses, I would be grateful.

Masoud: I long stopped my exchanging with you

As long as you use the condescending tune and pretend this is a interrogation room that requires a "yes" or "no" response.

Once you can acknowledge that this is not a classroom or courtroom and willing to exchange, that is express your thought/idea and willing to listen to others as they see fit to answer/respond their idea, we can have a conversation.

I find your approach of "yes" and "no" to be of an authority interrogating its suspect and refuse to dignify it by a response. You have taken this approach with me and others and I find it not gentleman like behavior

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Mehrdad - you said it, bro

What some do not recognize is that the names they so proudly paraded as NIAC-supporters come from a diversified group of Iranian-Americans, many who are seculars and most even respect Mosaddegh (a lot, for me).  And, mostly, I agree with your footnote

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

But, vahdat needs to be in the context of democracy for Iran, and not regime-change to a more brutal one.  I already heard Khomeini's 50 lies under the apply tree in France.

I for one will not be associated with MKO as the spokeperson for the democracy movement in Iran, as they are being pushed on us, unless there is a major cleansing of the top MKO brass and de-brain-washing of their foot-soldiers.

I rest my case

VPK,

You have been writing a looooooot of stuff that are are illogical and werid.  I can give you example after example.  The point is that you do not realize your stuff lacks logic and rationality, otherwise you would not have written them in the first place.  But here I will cut-and-paste two examples.  I do not think it will help you realize who weird your writings are.  You continually make inferences that are illogical, irrational, and have no connection to reality.

MK

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VPK: "I stand by both statements. They seem pretty self explanatory."

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MK: I rest my case.

:-)

Do Members of NIAC Have the Right to Elect President of NIAC?

Bavafa: "Otherwise, the concerned citizen would surely try to join and form a group to "correct" the path that NIAC has taken, oust Titra Parsi from leadership or if all fails..."

MK: Presumably, YOU are a member of NIAC.

1. Do members of NIAC have the right to vote for the President of NIAC??????? Please either "yes," or "no."

2. When was the last time that members of NIAC voted for the President of NIAC?

3. Please provide the names of the candidates who competed against Dr. Trita Parsi (and lost the election to him).

4. Isn’t it true that members of NIAC do NOT have the right to vote for whom they want as the President.

5. Isn’t it true that Trita Parsi and a few others created NIAC. These few also create a Board of Directors (or something to that effect).

5a. Who selects the members of the Board of Directors?????

5b. Do simple members of NIAC vote for the members of the Board?????

5c. Am I correct or wrong that appointed board members choose president (who in the fist place had chosen them)?

I look forward to reading your HONEST answers to this questions.

Masoud

Mehrdad

Is it pretty clear that:

• AIPAC is behind funding and support for MEK.
• AIPAC is scared *** of NIAC. They are pulling all stops to discredit them. Now NIAC does have its problems but it is effective.

As you know I am no friend of IRI and have reservations about NIAC. But I am open minded about them and support some of their work. Not all of it of course. AIPAC just does not want any other organization to stand in their way. 

They are used to getting their way and no arguments. NIAC is a problem for them. Now maybe Parsi is sympathetic to IRI; I do not know for sure. But no matter what AIPAC does not want competition. Therefore all this hoopla against NIAC.

The greatest mistake of AIPAC is getting in bed with MEK. That was a big mistake. Just like when they created Hamas. They are better off supporting other opposition. But due to their arrogance they will go down this path and mess it up.

MK

I stand by both statements. They seem pretty self explanatory.

• You been saying we should embrace MEK. Do you deny that? If so then I stand corrected. If not then my statement it right.
• I said I do not need someone else to speak for me. It that hard to get? I will repeat: I will speak for myself now is that clear or should I repeat it!

VPK

VPK jaan: The flaw in MK

VPK jaan: The flaw in MK conclusion is that this article is not a referendum between NIAC and MEK, but MEK and the role of Neocons & AIPAC vise a vie Iran. But that some how that has gone amiss by our intellectuals. One wonders why?!?!?

As for the opposition to NIAC goes, clearly the opposition is not merely the role of Titra Parsi or NIAC itself, the opposition is with creating a united voice in US, specially that is competing with AIPAC.  Otherwise, the concerned citizen would surely try to join and form a group to "correct" the path that NIAC has taken, oust Titra Parsi from leadership or if all fails, create an alternative and competing group that they thing it would be more representative of Iranian-Americans. There is nothing in the way of doing any of the above but write empty slogans and propaganda.

It would be interesting to know how many of the NIACers hold their position as a result of their support/affiliation for AIPAC?

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

ELS - YOU'RE NOBODY TILL SOMEBODY LOVES YOU

You didn't know that?

VPK

VPK,

You have been writing a looooooot of stuff that are are illogical and werid.  I can give you example after example.  The point is that you do not realize your stuff lacks logic and rationality, otherwise you would not have written them in the first place.  But here I will cut-and-paste two examples.  I do not think it will help you realize who weird your writings are.  You continually make inferences that are illogical, irrational, and have no connection to reality.  Here are two examples:

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by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

You are right. The one thing that gave away JM was this statement:

The PMOI concentrate all their attacks on the fundamentalist regime. I do NOT see the PMOI come here and attack the pro-democracy forces. But
I do see the monarchists come here and constantly attack the pro-democracy forces.

When someone is so blinded but hate to prefer PMOI to RP I am done with them. Done over and out forever. These people brought IRI to power. Then packed up; ran off and got jobs as "professors". I pity their students for real and would ask for my tuition back! 

Now Rajavi is the new hero of JM! Wonderful and so telling. I am speechless and in shock. What a democrat! Massoud and Maryam the new democrats. Great job JM.

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by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Jul 03, 2011 06:21 PM PDT

You mentioned:

Those who sided with NIAC:

Bavafa, Ramin J, Ari Selitz, soosan khanum, Disenchanted, JasonRobardas (?), MM, bfarahmand, siahlashgar, kooshan (same as khebedin?), VPK, mola, mammad,

I will speak for myself and do not need a "boland goo". So why don't you speak your bit and let me do mine. You claim to be for "democracy"; isn't that the voice of the people? Or is your version of "democracy" that you speak for all of us? I get a feeling the latter. 

No wonder you are quite at home with MEK. You both think the same way. One leader and the rest must obey.

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folks - this article is not about NIAC and Trita Parsi, but..

this article is not about NIAC and Trita Parsi, but MKO being pushed on us as THE representative for the Iranian democracy movement.  That is the question that needs to be answered, and if your answer is yes, well....., you got another IRI-like regime (or worse) coming right at you.

MK

Instead of making statements would you please give examples?

VPK

VPK,

You obviously are not able to recognize that you have been writing stuff in the past week or so that are irrational and have no connection to reality.

Masoud

MK

Maybe you are unable to make sense out of what I say. Have you thought of that? Maybe things are not black and white! I neither support nor oppose NIAC. I am support some things and oppose others.

If you bothered to read my blogs you would see that. For example I support their efforts to save the Persepolis Tablets. I also support their work on removing visa restrictions on Iranian students. I oppose their work that helps IRI. I specially oppose Reza Aslan whom I find very objectionable. 

Now to the real issue: MEK. I mistrust them with good reason. They have been trouble makers from the beginning. Initially they created used violence against the Shah. Then they were instrumental in taking hostages that cost Iran 8 billion dollars not to mention international support. Then they sided with Saddam. Now they are on the AIPAC pay roll. Why should I trust an organization like that? If you bring a snake among you then you should expect to be bit by it. 

VPK

VPK,

What you wrote does NOT make any rational sense.  You keep writing werid stuff that has no relationship with reality.

Masoud

MK

You mentioned:

Those who sided with NIAC:

Bavafa, Ramin J, Ari Selitz, soosan khanum, Disenchanted, JasonRobardas (?), MM, bfarahmand, siahlashgar, kooshan (same as khebedin?), VPK, mola, mammad,

I will speak for myself and do not need a "boland goo". So why don't you speak your bit and let me do mine. You claim to be for "democracy"; isn't that the voice of the people? Or is your version of "democracy" that you speak for all of us? I get a feeling the latter. 

No wonder you are quite at home with MEK. You both think the same way. One leader and the rest must obey.

ELS

Is it true that Trita Parsi is the love child of Ebrahim Yazdi?

Who cares? Is this about NIAC or MEK?

In addition your comment is what I call a "cheap shot". At least Simorgh provides some reasons. You just spew insults which are neither decent nor worth reading.

Let us assume he was. Does that make him a bad person. It is the deeds of a person not their birth that makes them who they are. Or do you subscribe to a different belief system.