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12-May-2011
One of the great bluffs in the foreign policy community in the previous decade was that Israel would have no choice but to attack Iran's nuclear facilities unless Washington stepped up and took military action first. With predictable frequency since the mid-1990s, reports emerged claiming that Israel was months, if not weeks, away from bombing Iran. And every time a new dire warning was issued, a new rationale was presented to convince the world that the latest Israeli warning was more serious than the previous one. The Israeli threats, however, were bluffs all along. Israel did not have the capacity to take out Iran's nuclear facilities. But the huffing and puffing ensured that the American military option remained on the table; that Washington would not deviate from the Israeli red line of rejecting uranium enrichment on Iranian soil; and that the Iranian nuclear program was kept at the top of the international community's agenda.
But the persistent bluffing also carried a price. The Israeli narrative on Iran has grown increasingly alarmist, desperate, and existential over the past 15 years. Inflating the Iranian threat served several purposes domestically. It provided Israeli Prime Ministers Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres a rationale to push for peace with the Palestinians in the 1990s, while more recently Benjamin Netanyahu has used it to resist pressure from Washington to do just that. But the domestic benefits came at the price of limiting Israel's options and flexibility vis-à-vis Iran. As Israeli politicians built up the Iranian threat and established a near-consensus that Tehran constituted an existential threat, it became increasingly difficult for any Israeli politician to walk back the threat depiction without losing critical political capital at home. As a result, there was a steady escalation of the threat depiction from Iran and no clear ways to de-escalate.
I wrote about this in the Forward in late 2007, pointing out that Israel was suffering from strategic paralysis due to its inability to adjust to the region's new realities and walk back its alarmist position on Iran. Today, Israel's strategic position in the region is at even greater risk. In the past few years, for instance, tensions have steadily increased between Israel and Turkey with the friction reaching a boiling point after the Gaza flotilla incident in 2010. As a result, the strategic alliance with Turkey seems to be lost for the foreseeable future. Now, with the fall of the Mubarak regime in Egypt, Israel has lost its most important Arab ally. Thus, the cost of the strategic paralysis is greater today than it was even a few years ago.
Against this backdrop, statements by both Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak and former Mossad Chief Meir Dagan in the past few days have stirred the political pot in Israel and made headlines worldwide. Speaking at a conference in Jerusalem, Dagan said that bombing Iran's nuclear installations would be "a stupid idea," adding that military action might not achieve all of its goals and could lead to a long war. Numerous Israeli officials have derided him for undercutting the pressure on Iran.
Yet, Dagan is not the first Israeli to contradict the official Israeli line shortly after leaving office. His predecessor at the Mossad, Efrahim Halevi, challenged a related Israeli talking point on Iran after having retired -- the idea that the Iranians are irrational and as a result neither containment nor diplomacy can be pursued. "I don't think they are irrational, I think they are very rational. To label them as irrational is escaping from reality, and it gives you kind of an escape clause," he told me in 2006.
Similarly, on the eve of his departure from political life, outgoing Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert delivered a stinging parting shot in 2008 questioning the feasibility of an Israeli military strike against Iran's nuclear facilities. Olmert told the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth that Israel had lost its "sense of proportion" when stating that it would deal with Iran militarily. "What we can do with the Palestinians, the Syrians and the Lebanese, we cannot do with the Iranians," Olmert said. "Let's be more modest, and act within the bounds of our realistic capabilities," he cautioned.
One of the few Israeli leaders who has consistently cautioned against Israel's alarmist line on Iran is current Defense Minister Ehud Barak. Earlier this week, he warned against hysteria on the Iranian threat and argued that Iran is unlikely to attack Israel with a nuclear bomb. "I don't think in terms of panic," he said. "What about Pakistan, some political meltdown happens there and four bombs wind up in Iran. So what? So you head for the airport? You close down the country? Just because they got a shortcut? No. We are still the most powerful in the Middle East." Barak's position on this matter is not new. He warned against making Israel a target of Iran by inflating the Iranian threat as far back as 1993. "We should, therefore, not create a climate of hysteria by setting ourselves up as Iran's main target," Barak said according to Agence France Presse.
Dagan's challenge to the official Israeli line may have been calculated to do exactly what no sitting Israeli Prime Minister seems capable of doing -- breaking the strategic paralysis, and to stop painting Israel in a corner where pressure on the U.S. to attack Iran chips away from Israel's credibility due to its repeated inability to fulfill its threats.
If so, Dagan's move may not just enable Israel to more effectively adjust itself to the new regional realities, it may also enable Washington to address the broader set of challenges presented by Iran that have been neglected -- which include Iran's regional policies, its human rights abuses, and the repression of the Iranian people's struggle for democracy. Dagan's injection of realism, by reducing the nuclear hysteria that has inhibited America's maneuverability, may free Washington to paint itself out of its own nuclear corner and begin working to address the totality of the Iranian challenge.
First published in foreignpolicy.com.
AUTHOR
Trita Parsi is president of the National Iranian American Council and author of Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran, and the U.S.
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Simorgh Jan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat May 14, 2011 03:06 PM PDTBoth Iran and Israel have valid claims to their lands. Populations should be given their rights of course. People should be given their citizenship right. IR does not respect anyone's rights.
However Tazi invasion does not take away either Israeli or Iranian rights. I am being consistent in my views. Israel has a right to her lands and Iran to her. Neither should be assimilated into some pan Islamic nonsense.
Mola
by Simorgh5555 on Sat May 14, 2011 02:23 PM PDTIt happens in Iran as well.
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by Mola Nasredeen on Sat May 14, 2011 02:21 PM PDTIsrael's gig regarding 'The Danger of Iran' is up
Iran is not Israel's problem
Israel is Israel's problem. Settlers killed a 17 years old Palestinian today, I wonder if anybody knows how many Palestinians they kill per week, month and year? There are 15000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons being abused and tortured. More than 1200 of them are under the age of 18 and 300 under the age of 14.
Iran is not Israel's problem, occupation and mistreatment of other peoples' land is the Israel's problem.
"Sunday marks 63 years of Palestinian dispossession since "Al-Nakba" or "the catastrophe." Right now, in a movement organized with active participation of youth, Palestinians are seizing the occasion to organize homeward marches.
These will draw Palestinians living in refugee camps, in the occupied territories, within Israel, and in exile, as well as thousands of Palestinian solidarity activists worldwide.
In the months before and after May 15, 1948, more than 700,000 Palestinians fled or were forced out by Zionist armed forces and the Israeli military, and became refugees throughout the world. Israel razed more than 400 Palestinian villages and barred the refugees from ever returning to their land -- even though this right is enshrined in international law and UN resolutions."
//www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=2994
VPK Jan
by Simorgh5555 on Sat May 14, 2011 01:30 PM PDTIt is indeed a question of priorities. I posted the articles to challenge Mola's viewpoints. Just to remind him that there are many Khuzestani Arabs who genuinely feel hostile towards Iranians (with some justification because of the destructive policies of the IR) and see their struggle the same as Palestinians.
Will Mola agree to the secession of Khuzestan from Iran?
Will Mola support the right of national self -determination of Khuzestani Arabs ruled by a Sheik who had a semi-autonomous state before Reza Shah united Iran in 1933? From an Arab perspective Arabestan has been occupied by the Persian Shia occupiers before the creation of the State of Israel.
Does Mola agree that Khuzestan -called Arabestan since the 7th century under the Umaayid Calpihate had a string Arab connection with an Arab population, Arab custom and Arab language?
Will Mola agree that Khuzestan was part of Persia before the Arab Tazi Islamic invasion of the 7th century. That was then. This is now. To occupy another population on the basis of territorial ownership more than a several hundred years ago is the same excuse Israel uses to brutalise the Palestinians.
But to Mola this is all just a Jewish conspiracy to cause divide and rule amongt Iranians.
I have said before on many occasions that as much as I fully support Israel's right to exist I condemn their treatment of Palestinians on a humanitarian level irrespective of their stupid leadership which supported Saddam and Khomeini's evil regime.
However, Iranians who take an often one-sided view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict should look at whats happening in Ahwaz and Khuzestan and pose the same moral questions it asks Israel to itself.
Here are some more examples of IRANIAN destroying the identity and history of her fellow SUNI ARAB IRANIANS whilst at the same time bizzarely irradicating Pre-historic Iranian culture:
Iran Guards destroy last Arab prince palace
//www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/11/09/125469.html
Simorgh Jan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat May 14, 2011 01:02 PM PDTInteresting article on Khuzistan out there. While Iran regards all Iranian people as citizens I guess Arabs do not. The article refers to "Arab Blood" running through some Iranian people. Now that is real racism.
Why should "blood" matter somehow? Iranian is not a race but a nation. Including people of Turkish; Mongol; Arab; and many other ancestry. But the racist who wrote that article puts blood over all other.
This is unfortunately very much popular among some including Palestinians. Whom despite massive support from Iran chose to side with Saddam. Why? Because of their race. Now who is the real racist! I reject race as indicator of nation.
Mola: It isn't just Israel which steals Arab lands
by Simorgh5555 on Sat May 14, 2011 12:38 PM PDTAccording to Amnesty International, “Land expropriation by the Iranian authorities is reportedly so widespread that it appears to amount to a policy aimed at dispossessing Arabs of their traditional lands. This is apparently part of a strategy aimed at the forcible relocation of Arabs to other areas while facilitating the transfer of non-Arabs into Khuzestan…
//www.habtoor.com/news/details.aspx?id=158
Peddle more of your Jew hate by calling this a Zionist conspiracy to rouse up Arabs hate towards Persians.
Mola
by Simorgh5555 on Sat May 14, 2011 12:30 PM PDTAs your dearly departed friend Sardord says, 'It happens here [in Iran] as well.
From the 'Guardian' newspaper.
"The planned executions are the latest in a series of executions of ethnic Arabs by the racist Iranian state. The most recent hangings occurred on 10 September, when three Ahwazi Arab political prisoners were executed. They were put to death just days after the visit to Iran by Louise Arbour, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, in what appeared to be a calculated defiance of the UN's expressed concern regarding the oppression of Ahwazi Arabs."
//www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/oct/26/iransantiarabracism
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by Mola Nasredeen on Sat May 14, 2011 12:22 PM PDTIran is not Israel's problem
Israel is Israel's problem.
Hundreds of thousands Palestinians have started their demonstration against the Israeli occupation of the natives land and their mistreatment:
"The day marks the anniversary of what the Palestinians call the "nakba," Arabic for "catastrophe," referring to their displacement during the Mideast war over Israel's May 15, 1948, creation. At the time, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled or were driven out by Israeli troops, losing land and homes. The dispute over the fate of Palestinian refugees and their descendants, now numbering several million people, remains at the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict.
Several Facebook groups have called for launching a third uprising against Israel, starting Sunday, and urged supporters to march from Palestinian towns to Israel military checkpoints in the West Bank and around Jerusalem."
//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110514/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians;_ylt=Apmfew.fhe.E3uNIPx_F8M2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNxZGk2azBmBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNTE0L21sX2lzcmFlbF9wYWxlc3RpbmlhbnMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM2BHBvcwMzBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDcGFsZXN0aW5pYW5z
Israel must get its priority right
by Simorgh5555 on Sat May 14, 2011 10:31 AM PDTWhilst I deplore the double standards of the NIAC, Titra Parsi has a point. Israel has followed a counterproductive policy towards Iran by trumpeting up the nuclear issue when it knows an attack on the nuclear facilities is not feasible and implausible even by its own experts such as Degan. The nuclear issue is also the wrong rallying cry to galvanize Iranians against the IR because even those who hate the regime firmly believe in the in-alienable right of Iran to have nuclear power.
The focus should have been the regime change. If Israel,Europe and US called on the removal of the Terrorist Thugs this would have been the more moral and a more achievable objective than hunting down nuclear facilities dotted around Iran. The IR has shown that it can still wage war on its enemies using conventional warfare and through its preferred cowardly method: the use of terror.
Destroy the IR. The Nuclear issue will not make terror go away.
Mola
by Simorgh5555 on Sat May 14, 2011 10:17 AM PDTHow much do you want to bet that YOU are working for a Jewish owned/managed company? That your employers who have given you a job are Zionists? How much do you want a bet that the house you live in and car you have bought have been purchased by loans given to you by Jewish banks. Everything from your mobile phone with a camera to even the clothes you wear are JEWISH owned. Hell, even your beloved Ayatollah's can't avoid dealing with those Zionists hence why they sold so much crude oil at bargain basement prices to Israel using their mediator Marc Rich. You do know who Marc Rich is and why he was a fugitive from the US, no?
The Iran Gate I'm sure you know about.
Despite your rhetoric you eat out of the hand of Israel.
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by Mola Nasredeen on Sat May 14, 2011 09:44 AM PDTWhat do Al Qaeda and Israel have in common:
1. They both seek world domination.
2. They are fanatic followers of their Ideologies.
3. They both kill civilians indiscriminately.
4. They enter other countries illegally and blow up the people.
5. They both believe they are "The Chosen People".
6. They terrorize people by their actions.
7. They wouldn't survive without other countries' financial backing.
8. They don't care about public opinion or the United Nations.
9. They both use religion as an excuse for committing crimes against humanity.
10. They are both hated universally.
asdf
by vildemose on Sat May 14, 2011 08:18 AM PDT//www.bbc.co.uk/persian/iran/2011/05/110513_u01_donilon_iran.shtml
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by oktaby on Fri May 13, 2011 10:21 PM PDTTP, despite the improvisation I don't think your concern is for freeing Israel; or Iran for that matter but lets entertain your latest improv.
You conveniently talk of Israel's threats against IRI but fail to mention IRI's threats against Israel. Remember 'Marg bar Israel', the defining foreign policy of IRI alongside 'marg bar Amrica'. Replace Israel with IRI and your argument, contradictory statements by former officials included, will hardly be any different except in your version IRI can be given a reprieve from the last remaining public media pressure point on them. You know well that Human Rights has long since been dropped from America's foreign policy lingo, except symbolically. China and Abu Ghraib made sure that argument is no longer in play. America's fence sitting on Arab Spring nations as thousands get killed in Syria and SA/UAE bleed Bahreini's is evidence enough. But adding HR to pepper your diversionary argument along with concern for IRI's regional activities and Iranian people's fight for democracy wrapped in concern for freeing America to deal with 'totality of Iranian challenge' is a soft finishing touch.
IRI and Israel need each other and their perverted relationship goes back to pre-79 devolution. Remember as IRI shouted 'Ghods' and 'marg bar Israel' who was supplying their eggs? along with American weaponry to IRI during the war while American AWACS supported Iraq? And together along with Khomeini they made sure that war went on long enough to ensure longevity of IRI, and even further support of America for Israel and endless backdoor deals among them. You omissions don't change history but do shed light on your MO and intent. And just one other small trivia: as the extremism of IRI and Israel feed each other, and you try to somehow 'help' by pointing fingers at Israel, Israeli's are not killing, raping and defiling Iranians or their own by tens of thousands.
Oktaby
Trita Focus on Freeing Iran from Americas bluff.
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Fri May 13, 2011 07:04 PM PDThere is a blog i created on this. written by some american
//iranian.com/main/2011/may/iran-and-shah...
IRI would love to talk about nuclear issue rather than HR issue
by MM on Fri May 13, 2011 06:33 PM PDTI hope you all recognize that this article represents the personal opinion of an Iranian-American and is not reflective of the core-beliefs of NIAC: Legislative & Policy Resources: 1. Stand With the Iranian People; 2. Defend Human Rights; 3. On Iran, Take the Long View; 4. Civil Rights & Immigration; 5. Protecting Our Heritage. And, still folks here are attacking NIAC!
The most wonderful thing about living in the west is that people are entitled to their opinions. And, while I do share the view that it is Iran's right to develop nuclear technology under the watchful of AIEA, I also believe that there are other enery sources that Iran should take advantage of first, especially in light of the recent mishaps in Japan. However, I do believe that IRI would love to talk about the nuclear issue rather than hman rights abuses as Trita Parsi briefly mentioned in the last paragraph.
Personally, I think that this is a distraction from the main issue which is the human rights abuses of IRI going on 24/7 with impunity. And, Parsi's concluding paragraph is: on the long policy issue, concentrate more on the HR issue rather than nuclear issue.
Bavafa & VPK
by Artificial Intelligence on Fri May 13, 2011 06:32 PM PDTBavafa,
Yes we do have more in common than you think:)))
It would not be logical if we all agreed on the same thing. People have different views and my view re NIAC, which is different than yours, is that they screwed things up royally. I understand that you don't agree with me and that is OK.
VPK,
We see exactly eye to eye re how NIAC is handling this and how it looks like they are following/supporting the IRI Camp. For Trita to come up with this article at this juncture in Iranian political history is simply idiotic. He is supposed to be a lobbyist for heavens sake. How does this article help his case that NIAC wants to help Iranians when there are all these accusations against him that he is following the IRI line? This article by him only buttresses the argument that NIAC is an IRI lobby- whether they do it intentionally or not.
I do have to tell you that I do not blame Islam as much as you do.
I am not a fan of Bazargan either. I think he was an idiot as he did not see how Khomeini was using him and he allowed the constitution to be written they way it was without putting up any fight. However, Bazargan was a good person and a pious Muslim. His Daughter was our neighbor in esfahan. She was married and they were religious Muslims as well but they treated our family (my grandfather was one of the 3 Rabbis in esfahan) with so much respect and they even came over the house for dinner as Bazargan's son in-law would always complement on the good smell coming out of our house.
The point I am trying to make is that most Iranian were over the najes garbage the clergy had fed them and they were respectful of minorities. We were all Iranians. My parents to this day feel Iranian first and jewish second. Most Iranians feel iranian first regardless of religion. Bazargans were no different and I believe most Iranians were no different. It was not the religion/Islam that created this crazy IRI. It was our parents' kindness, simplicity and lack of understanding of religion itself and how it does not mix with politics. They were not sophisticated enough to understand.Shah was at fault to because there was not enough political openness to create the sophistication needed to ask the important question such as:
Why do we need an Akhoond in charge of everything? Isn't it like having a king with absolute power in charge of everything? No one asked? No One questioned it? It drives me crazy that no one did!
The people who wrote the US constitution 300 years ago understood more than our parents 30 years ago; and this constitution writing business was not our first experience at it and we still screwed it up. I don't blame Islam. I blame our parents and Mammad's generation.
VPK jaan: you are either
by Bavafa on Fri May 13, 2011 04:27 PM PDTVPK jaan: you are either reading more to what I am saying
Or misunderstood my meaning.
I clearly said the responsibility lies on OUR shoulder (the people) at first place then IRI. But, as in most situation, things are not so black and white and we ought to recognize the way the talk of war has helped IRI. This is what all this article is about, not to diminish IRI responsibility but to point out other factors in this mess that might not be as obvious.
Also, I must have missed the part as how NIAC is openly or even covertly towing the VF rhetoric. Unless of course we are talking about their opposition to war or "airtight sanction" which in that case, I believe, vast majority of Iranians then would be towing the VF rhetoric.
Mehrdad
AI: I think you and I have far more in common
by Bavafa on Fri May 13, 2011 04:14 PM PDTin our views and opinion then otherwise. However, I would not have known had I not asked.
I am in complete agreement with you regarding what [realistically] will take to overthrow this regime, although a peaceful manner would have been far more desirable if possible but I have my serious doubts.
And I strongly believe, such change would be beneficial to Iranians only and if only it is carried out by Iranians and at the leadership of Iranians.
Mehrdad
Regarding War
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri May 13, 2011 04:14 PM PDTIt is not up to us or NIAC to start of stop a war. The only way to prevent war is for IR to reform and that is impossible. Obama has his own plans and is not going to wait for our permission.
Do not mistake this for me advocating war; I do not. But it is going to come unless IR reforms. People like Khamenei; Saddam and Gadaffi do not get it. They will hold on to power until they are carried out on a stretcher.
That is the tragedy of it. A sane person like Mubarak when faced with impossible odds will fold. But not Saddam; he waited and got killed. Same will happen with the IR rulers; a bad reality.
Responses
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri May 13, 2011 04:03 PM PDTThe above article has nothing to do with Iranian current problem
by Siavash300 on Fri May 13, 2011 04:01 PM PDTReading the above article is just waste of time for Iranians who their country men and women are under torture,imprisonment of Islamic criminals in Iran. Some of brothers and sisters are on death raw, waiting to get executed by stinky mullahs. There has been fight between Jews and arabs. What we even have to be bother. Let them fight for themselves and we fight for our brothers and sisters inside Mullah's prisons. Jews and arabs had their problems for themselves and we have our problems for ourselves. Let's get united to ovethrown stinky mullahs and re-establish monarchy as it was the wish of our ancestors for thousands years.
Payandeh our Aryan Land Iran
No Bavafa
by Artificial Intelligence on Fri May 13, 2011 04:00 PM PDTI think you misunderstood me. I don't believe change is possible by using the political system from within (voting for pre screened candidates by the clergy who insure the candidates are in line with their political views).
I think the only way out of the current situation is by a revolution. Iranians (and only Iranians) thorwing the regime by violent means. I don't think change will happen peacfully. You can not talk mantegh with the current people in charge. They only understand force as they only use force to get their way.
I am against war imposed on Iran by outsiders. No way!
SHAME on you , SHAME on you
by maryamnick on Fri May 13, 2011 03:39 PM PDTMr. Parsi , if IRAN & its regime are so good to live in and to be part of them, then why do are not there and continue to live in US ??? In this land of bad wolf ?????????Every Iranian knows about your alliance with current regime under the pretence of caring for Iranian interest ! I just want to know who are you Bulling to write your stupid unrealistic articles !!!!!!!???????
AI: then would I be correct to assume
by Bavafa on Fri May 13, 2011 03:37 PM PDTthat since you don't believe change is possible from within Iran and by Iranians, then the only other alternative, in your opinion, is by the outsiders which means war?
Mehrdad
Bavafa,
by Artificial Intelligence on Fri May 13, 2011 03:16 PM PDTI agree with you that the hype of attack against the IRI by some elements in Israel/West has not helped the situation.You are 100% correct.
However, I don't think the Iranian people are buying IRI's excuses anymore. Its to late for any excuses. The last election was a turning point as all attempts at changing the system from within failed.The reformers knew and acknowledged that IRI policies were causing the pressures (the Mousavi Ahmadinejad "debate" revealed this).
There are some who still advocate (foolishly I believe) that change has to happen by using the system (the velayat sytem) as it currently is setup. NIAC is among these groups as its willing to deal with elements in the IRI government. Change from within, in a peacful manner will never happen in Iran. There is to much power and money for these bigots and they will not go peacefully. I believed this before the 09 election and I still believe it now.
The slogans of na gazeh, na lobnan is very telling. People just don't by into the bullshit. IRI propaganda is useless. The revolution is dead and was a failure and everyone except for a few fossilized professors, shariati fans and radical leftist have acknowledged this.
The West does not need to attack Iran. All they have to do is let these retards screw up the nation with the infighting amongst themselves. The radical right is fighting the radical right in Iran now as the so called Islamist "reformers" have been neutralized.
Change will never happen from within. NIAC is wasting its time with this mumbo jumbo. My opinion!
VPK jaan: It was not meant to comapre the two
by Bavafa on Fri May 13, 2011 02:36 PM PDTas equal or the same. But I do believe the hype of war created by some elements in the State of Israel and in the US has helped the prolongation of IRI or certainly has not helped the Iranian people and we ought to recognize that.
Mehrdad
Dear Mammad
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri May 13, 2011 02:30 PM PDTonce a country - an Islamic one -gives up its right, even if it is temporarily, it will never recover it.
The problem I have with your statement is calling Iran "an Islamic one". Iran is a multiracial; multicultural and multireligion nation. This business about "Islamic nation" is pure BS. Islam was forced on us at the point of the sword.
I reject Islam and am as Iranian as anyone. What the *** is an "Islamic nation" anyway? Does it mean that Jews; Christians and Zoroastrians (the original Iranians) are second class citizens? Right now in IR they are. Do not even mention Bahai; atheists; and Pagans who get to accept Islam or execution! The Islamic mind is incapable of accepting other ideas. That is its downfall and why no nation will benefit from being "Islamic".
Dear Mehrdad
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri May 13, 2011 02:24 PM PDTPlease keep in mind that 'enemy of my enemy' is not always my friend.
I agree with you on this. However I do not consider Israel "the enemy of my enemy". Rather a long historical friend. They are not a cult like MKO. In fact while MKO was killing Iranians the Israeli were helping Iran.
We should recognize that we share interests and have no issues. The "fight" between us is a creation of IR. It is not a real problem. Since the days of Cyrus the Great we have been allies. Parthians were very supportive of Jews. In fact there is a Jewish saying "When you see a Parthian charger chained to a tombstone in the Land of Israel, the hour of the Messiah will be near". MKO on the other hand is a treasonous cult run by a nut job. We should not compare the two.
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by Mola Nasredeen on Fri May 13, 2011 01:43 PM PDTYes, Israel has got problem
but Iran is not her main problem.
"Today, thousands rallied in support of Palestinians on Friday, with demonstrators in Jordan's capital heeding a call by Facebook organizers to demand a sovereign Palestinian state, others near the Jordanian-Israeli border chanting "Death to Israel," and still more activists filling Cairo's Tahrir Square.
Palestinian youth groups called for protests in the West Bank and nearby Arab countries to mark the anniversary of the May 15, 1948, creation of the Jewish state. Palestinians call the anniversary the "day of catastrophe" because of the refugee crisis and loss of land that accompanied the creation of Israel."
PS, Natanyahu in the above picture looks like a Mad Man, a violent man filled with hatred and scorn. The look of a criminal. Maybe he's thinking 'the gig is up'.
//www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Thousands-protest-for-Palestinian-right-of-return-1378455.php
Worth a repost. What do you
by vildemose on Fri May 13, 2011 01:33 PM PDTWorth a repost. What do you think people in charge of Foreign policy in the US and Israel think of the messianic IRI as they read this article below??
//www.juancole.com/2011/05/jahanpour-is-iran-next-supreme-leader-versus-ahmadinejad.html