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Fesenjoon2

Who is "you"?  What evidence do you have that anyone here supported the IRI. Do the people in Iran who are rotting in Evin support the IRI?

How do you want to make "us" suffer. I am a US citizen and America takes a dim view of its citizen threatened. Whether it is by  self proclaimed "patriots" or anyone else. 

By the way your threats are as illegal as those you accused others of. I hope the DHS is reading these blogs. It is very interesting to observe how similar the two extremes are.

I support military action

IRI would not exist if it werent for the old fart apologists who keep shielding it, and the sandis khor savage pups that are brainwashed by the millions. They deserve a war. That's what you do with occupiers. You fight them. Iran is an occupied country. period.   

A request

Please do not associate me with Fesenjoon2. His call for "bombing Iran to stone age" on another blog goes against all I believe. While I support sanctions I oppose war specially anything indiscriminate.

Maybe that post was a joke. But I do not think it is funny and do not want to have my name associated with the poster.

Thank you.

Fesenjoon joon :-)

The pictures you find are priceless. That cake made my day. Keep up the good work.

AO

and the funny thing is that in all the photos, he's busy giving off a full arbadeh.

All that arbadeh and Death to America screaming must make the baseeji women pretty horny too. Otherwise, I cant for the love of God figure out why someone would make a "khamenei cake" as suggestive as this:

https://sites.google.com/site/50host45278picture/khamenei-cake.jpg

fesenjoon - this is one of the funniest things I've seen re: IR

This guy is apparently the jack of all trades for IR's staged demonstrations.  Either that or he's really photogenic--by IR's standards that is--and is featured in all their demonstration photo-ups!

Mohammad Alireza

I'd rather be with a Westpoint graduate ANY DAY than with a wife beating smelly reeshoo sepaahi like this guy

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who curiously shows up here

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and here

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and here

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Mohammad Ali Reza

Problem with making peace is it means IRI retains power. Many people with good reason want a regimes change. By the way this has nothing to do with Israel or nuclear anything.

If the IRI wants people in diaspora to change their attitude it takes work. The regime needs to change its behavior. Most people don't mind a dictatorship but they do mind the IRI. I give you some reasons why:

• Disrespect of Iranian heritage and forcing Islamic propaganda on people. Including forced hijab and so on. Give people back their social freedoms and stop shoving Islam down their throat and on their heads.
• Making trouble in the world and making Iran be known as "a terror" sponsor. Much of this is due to picking unnecessary fight with Israel. Give that one up and you get much less flak.
• Putting other causes like Palestine above Iran. Once I cared about Palestinians. I do not anymore specially when they sided with Saddam.  IRI should understand this since they we on the receiving side of it.
• Make a business friendly climate. That means all the above plus reconciliation with the West. Then Iranian in diaspora will be willing to invest in Iran.
• As a show of good faith return confiscated property to people. It is fine to say "you are not allowed to sell it for say 10 or 20 years". But return it and let people have their homes and property back.
• Make the rules clear so people know what gets them in trouble. Well known rules make for good business.

If they do all the above you will see a lot of "war" cries disappear. But IRI is doing the opposite and is bringing war or at least sanctions on itself. I am saying these because I rather avoid war and sanctions.

To LoverOfLiberty:

"And, as usually is the case, "making peace" tends to end when negotiations reach an impasse.

So, I beg to ask, what is your "making peace" solution when such a situation occurs?"

I am sure you are aware that Iran and America have not even begun to negotiate, and whenever they get close to a negotiating table Israel makes sure it does not happen.

Bush set pre-conditions. Obama early on attempted to start negotiations but again Israel worked behind the scenes to stop it.

The differences between Iran and America can be worked out. Even the problems Iran and Israel have can be worked out. But the forces that benefit from war don't like peace. It's bad for business and power addicts.

At West Point the objective is to graduate future managers for the military and the hardest task they have is to teach them to kill other human beings without hesitation. If the “right justification” is not reinforced then it is murder. Besides psychopaths, human beings refuse to kill other human beings, a problem the military discovered in Vietnam.

Mohammad Ali Reza

Thanks for the explanations on email. I do emails and phone calls with the assumption they are screened. Not just to Iran but even right here in the USA. There is no question in my mind that all governments monitor things.

Regarding war there is no realistic possibility of it any time soon. Don't worry about it right now. What you will get is sanctions and if you are reasonably wealthy you will be fine.

Mohammad

Mohammad Alireza: "The quote you have copy-pasted is something that a freshman class in West Point Miliary Academy would be having drilled into their heads."

Why so?

Mohammad Alireza: "Finding justification for war is not difficult. Making peace is much harder."

Espousing "peace" is not the same thing as creating or safeguarding "peace."

And, as usually is the case, "making peace" tends to end when negotiations reach an impasse. 

So, I beg to ask, what is your "making peace" solution when such a situation occurs?

To VPK:

I am aware that I am taking a risk but my activism is confined to antiwar issues and the occasional criticism of the regime, which the constitution grants me the right to do.

Using a proxy is not against the law in Iran and the proxy I use supposedly does not allow snooping.

But they do screen all emails. One thousand emails a second are exchanged in Iran. And I am told by a well informed geek at an ISP that they screen all of them.

However, we in Iran know that the rule of law does not always operate here and laws can be manipulated to suit those in power.

For many in Iran the Internet is their lifeline. Without it life would quickly become intolerable.

Mohammad Ali Reza

Goood to know IC may be accessed from Iran. Give the recent British tracking technology sale to IRI you should be aware that you identity may be known. This is not a threat by me just making sure you are aware.

Regardless it still does not change the fact that you are one person. With your ideas and that is it. Nobody speaks for all Iranians anywhere. We better learn it or get into another pile of *** after IRI goes. 

If you have read the old Fesenjoon blogs you know him and I got in lots of arguments. Much more heated that the ones I got in with you. Yet I respect his right to have his say. We are not always in agreement. 

Wishing for war

Sepahi may be wishing for war but they are in for a nasty one. First of all America will not get in a war. They will do what they do right now. Tighten sanctions and weaken IRI. When it is really weak they give it a push.

If Americans do by any chance get in a real war.Sepah is toast. If these guys think they are dealing with fools they are wrong. All their "hidden energies" are documented and on paper. Their collective *** will be kicked as of Saddam and his buddies.

I have repeatedly suggested the best approach in case of American attack. Run or surrender. If you are in in uniform and a position to surrender do it! If not then run and hide. Mullahs are not worth life of one single Iranian soldier.

To Fesenjoon2:

Fars News is operated by the Sepah. Of course you are going to find nonsense like that on their site.

LOL! For your information, Mohammad Alireza is not my real name. Do you really think I'd use my real name while posting from Iran?

And yes, VPK it is possible to access Iranian.com from Iran. See earlier post I made to Roozbeh outlining how things are in Iran regarding accessing blocked sites in Iran.

Ya Mohammad Ali al-Reza!

Facts are facts

The Americans only think of profit. But the Iranian regime is the only one looking for WAR. They even dream about it

This is what one of the Sepaahi commanders has wished from God recently 

"خدا کنه به ایران حمله کنند. از آرزوهای بزرگ ما این است که آنها دست به این کار بزنند چون خیلی وقت است انرژی نهفته‌ای وجود دارد که علاقه‌مندیم آن را خرج کنیم و دشمنان اسلام و مسلمین را برای همیشه به زباله‌دان تاریخ بفرستیم".

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Mohammad Ali Reza

Regarding IRI: Yes I wrote it and it was an attack on IRI not you. Definition of attack is not up to you it is based on a generally agreed definition. 

Regarding Peace Nick: That is not an insult by itself. Besides I did not say you were one. And if I did all I said was I don't like them. That is not an attack.

Regarding:  We "prisoners" in Iran don't need to be rescued by the likes you, that I am sure of.

Who appointed you the spokesperson for Iranians in Iran? Did you get elected; if so show me the votes and the counts. When was the election held and who voted. You sir do not speak for Iranian people. You speak for your self. Or anyone who has legally given you permission to speak for them. Otherwise you have no authority to speak for others. I refuse to listen to people who claim to speak for "Iranians". Whether be pro regime; anti regime or something different.

I don't know if you live in Iran. If you do I am surprised you have access to IC. Anyway there are some people who benefit from IRI. They don't want it gone. I am not saying you are one but I do understand why some don't want IRI gone.

Over and out!

Fame at last for VPK and Fesenjoon2 :

If you have the guts to look in the mirror then read the following article:

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To VPK:

Did you not write this?

"The ones in your precious IRI get raped if they talk too much."

That is a personal attack, and in my book the worst kind of "foosh" that exists.

And here is another which you include in your post warning me about making personal attacks:

"But I dislike naive peace nicks more."

Now if there was a competition to see who is naive I think this statement by you would win first prize:

"At the minimum there should be total sanctions including oil. Bring the regime to its knees and break it. If a total oil embargo is not practical then occupy some of the fields. Then sell the oil and keep the money in a fund. To be distributed to a legitimate government after IRI goes. Assuming 50% of it gets stolen it is still a bargain vs. having Mollahs use it to fund terror against Iranians and world."

We "prisoners" in Iran don't need to be rescued by the likes you, that I am sure of.

One more thing

Mr Mohammad Ali Reza. Please stop personal attacks on me and others. None of my posts attack you as a person. Calling Fesenjoon and I lazy and me without credibility does not help you.

I called Gary Sick without credibility and gave my reasons. You turned around and hit me back. Then start hitting Fesenjoon and MK and others. I have been in arguments with both the other posters. But at least try to keep the personal stuff out? By the way I am not a victims of "corporate" media. I get my news right out of Iran. Nor am I working for them. I heard it all before. Personally I dislike the corporate media and the right wing. But I dislike naive peace nicks more.

Those are the rules of IC not mine. I just as soon see you around to post your point of view. Not get banned due to personal insults on people so take the free advise. Please do not attack other posters.

Mohammad Ali Reza

I don't know or care if you support IRI or not. It does not matter to me. I want IRI gone and Iran restored to some half decent government. Nuclear is not my thing it is a red herring.

If IRI has no nuclear program. Verified by American and the world I still oppose it. I want it gone as soon as possible. Not one day is too soon for it to be gone.  And NO it is not up to the people in Iran. Prisoners are not in a position to free themselves.

At the minimum there should be total sanctions including oil. Bring the regime to its knees and break it. If a total oil embargo is not practical then occupy some of the fields. Then sell the oil and keep the money in a fund. To be distributed to a legitimate government after IRI goes. Assuming 50% of it gets stolen it is still a bargain vs. having Mollahs use it to fund terror against Iranians and world.

Mohammad Ali Reza

Im not as gullible as you think I am. Your words say one thing, but your actions speak for themselves. It's not hard to spot a closet Islamist, actually. Ive seen the likes of you by the dozen. The fak o fameel of the aghazaadehs who come and live here, and defend the Islamic Republic.

And no, the shit wont disperse in the air, because the Physics wont allow it. I have actually been to Natanz. The installation is in the middle of NOWHERE, and there's no water supply around:

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And even if it did somehow disperse in the air, well too bad. If they cared about the people, they wouldnt be enriching Uranium to +20%  

They dont even need that highly enriched Uranium. Many European countries like Switzerland import it. Iran did not agree to an import protocol. Iran is basically itching for a fight. And theyll eventually get it:

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To Fesenjoon2 and VPK:

You two base all your arguments on the presumption that I support the IRI, as did Masoud Kazemzadeh below. When I responded to his accusations by pasting one of my previous articles, “Are you prepared for some truth?” and gave the link for another, “Voting in the dark”, he responded by writing:

"Mohammad Alireza,

The two articles you posted do show that you do not support the vf regime (especially considering that you reside in Iran). My perception of you as a supporter of vf regime has changed. Good job.
MK"

However, you two are obviously too lazy to read previous comments but instead prefer to mouth off your support for the warmongers and display how poorly informed you are, and that is just the point that I am making: so many of you in America are victims of the corporate media that you have ended up being recruited by the warmongers to do their bidding.

Fesenjoon2 what do you think will happen to the enriched uranium at Natanz and the storage facilities when it has 30,000 pound bunker buster bombs dropped on it? The objective of the "surgical strikes" is to destroy the enriched uranium so that it won't be further enriched to higher levels so that it can be used in a nuclear bomb. No, it will not end up being buried but will instead disperse in the air and be blown over population areas.

VPK the fact that you

VPK the fact that you subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Jimmy Carter intentionally installed this theocracy instantly makes any comment you make regarding this issue lack all credibility.

Maybe to you but not to many others I am stating a well known fact.. Guess what I am fine with it and really do not mind one bit. You want to put your trust in Gary Sick you go right ahead and be my guest.

As far as regime change, well, that’s up to Iranians living in Iran, and does not concern anybody living outside Iran.

I don't take orders from you and it is very much up to Iranians outside. You bet it is because we are far more able to express our ideas. The ones in your precious IRI get raped if they talk too much. Which does not seem to bother some people.

You are placing generations of Iranians in danger of being poisoned
by depleted uranium and causing the Iranian nation to fall back fifty
years.

Actually it is IRI that has already put Iran back 1400 years. *** the nuclear garbage. Did I make that or did IRI; if I had my way there would be no nuclear. program. So don't you dare make accusations with no basis.

and one more thing...

Mohammad Ali Reza,

Dont give me that cock and bull story about you not defending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

You may not be directly defending them, but you ARE in effect helping them by spreading the plea to leave them alone!

Good work!

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Mohammad Alireza

"As far as regime change, well, that’s up to Iranians living in Iran, and does not concern anybody living outside Iran".

um,... yes it does. Why do I see you then running to vote at the IRI polling stations here across the US, each time there is a presidential election in Iran? 

"The only thing the exile community has proven is its inability to create, play a part in, or contribute towards a government in Iran that could function." 

Your beloved Imam Khomeini was the definition, the epitome, the very essence of an Iranian in exile. And he overthrew the Shah. 

"With all the freedoms at your disposal you have failed miserably and no Iranian in Iran will take anything you say or propose seriously".

Oh really? So how come youre so passionately and defensively debating us? We must be doing something then!

"But the Iranian exile community can play a part towards preventing war against Iran. Sadly given the response this article has received it seems the Iranian exile community can not even be counted on for even doing that, but instead is an advocate of “surgical strikes” and further sanctions".

Surgical strikes and war are different. Heeelllooooo??! 

"You are placing generations of Iranians in danger of being poisoned by depleted uranium and causing the Iranian nation to fall back fifty years".

I lived 20 years of my life in Tehran. I already have damaged lungs thanks to the world's most polluted city. But I appreciate your concern. Only, I find it a bit too late.

"And those bloodless “surgical strikes” will disburse radioactive material for hundreds of miles, with estimates of causing at least a million cancer victims."

Um, no it wont. Cuz unlike Fukushima theyre buried underground inside mountains, where theyll permanently be buried. And, Sepaah bases dont have radioactive shit.

"It must really feel nice to sit in the comfort of your home outside of Iran and spew uninformed nonsense that will not cause you the slightest bit of harm or discomfort but could give the warmongers the support they need".

You mean kind of like where you are? 

Dude, you are so full of Bull. You are supposedly worried about "depleted uranium" for Iranian children, but would rather have a regime in power that actually hangs and executes those same children. That's the ultimate hypocricy. Your hanaa doesnt have any more rang. 

To Fesenjoon2 & VPK:

VPK the fact that you subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Jimmy Carter intentionally installed this theocracy instantly makes any comment you make regarding this issue lack all credibility.

Gary Sick, which you proclaim guilty by association because he was part of the Carter Administration, happens to be well informed, not a neocon, not bought and paid for by the Israeli lobby, and is certainly no supporter of the regime in Iran.

As far as regime change, well, that’s up to Iranians living in Iran, and does not concern anybody living outside Iran.

For 32 years the Iranian exile community has only displayed its inability to unite or even agree on basic issues, so how can it possibly raise the issue of regime change?

The only thing the exile community has proven is its inability to create, play a part in, or contribute towards a government in Iran that could function. But I am sure the CIA and Mossad will show you how, like they did for Mr. Pahlavi.

With all the freedoms at your disposal you have failed miserably and no Iranian in Iran will take anything you say or propose seriously.

But the Iranian exile community can play a part towards preventing war against Iran. Sadly given the response this article has received it seems the Iranian exile community can not even be counted on for even doing that, but instead is an advocate of “surgical strikes” and further sanctions.

You are placing generations of Iranians in danger of being poisoned by depleted uranium and causing the Iranian nation to fall back fifty years.

And those bloodless “surgical strikes” will disburse radioactive material for hundreds of miles, with estimates of causing at least a million cancer victims.

It must really feel nice to sit in the comfort of your home outside of Iran and spew uninformed nonsense that will not cause you the slightest bit of harm or discomfort but could give the warmongers the support they need.

Recently overheard at a GOP campaign office: “Oh, lookee, we have the support of the Eye-ranian exile community to start dropping bombs on Iran. And remember they always vote Republican. So get out there and get some campaign contributions from them Eye-ranians.”

Mohammad Alireza

You are doing naneh man gharibam. No one is calling for "war". We're talking about surgical strikes (as in Yougoslavia in the late 90s) to decapitate Iran's military. Like it or not, "war" will not happen, for two reasons:

• Iran doesnt have the capability to engage the US in a sustained war, unless the US actually lands troops in Iran like they did in Iraq. 
• The US will never land troops there. It's too costly.

So no, it will not escalate, because Iran cant do shit. The best it can do is engage in asymmetric warfare (disrupt oil flow by firing missiles at Arab ports like they did in the Iran-Iraq war, or fire missiles at Israel like Saddam did as a last gasp for breath), but even that will be limited. The US navy can take out Iran's entire AF in a day or two. 

No credibility

Gary Sick has no credibility as he is a clear proponent of IRI. He was in the JC administration and IRI is his baby. Just as a father refuses to admit his kid is rotten Gary refuses to stop supporting IRI.

Now having said that I agree a few missiles at Natanz will do nothing. America has two choices: do nothing or go for regime change. Now the latter does not mean war. There are many ways to do it. But the goal must be regime change. 

Otherwise you are wasting time. I do not buy the "world in flame" BS. IRI will simply use the attack as pretext to kick out the UN inspectors and pull out of NPT. Do whatever it wants and give them the finger. 

Half *** measures will not work. My guess is that America is busy now. So it won't do anything just yet other than sanctions. Meanwhile they will deal with the other nations: Egypt; Libya and so on. All this time the IRI weakens. 

When the time gets right they will stir up internal dissent. Then provide support to them just as in Libya to overthrow IRI.

No need to attack anything. 

Will this happen?

I don't know but just wait.

VPK

To Fesenjoon2:

I am not defending the IRI. I am defending Iran. Big Difference. My position on the IRI can be found on two past articles: "Are You Ready for The Truth" and "Voting in the Dark".

And yes, they will kill their own children so as to stay in power. No doubt about it.

If you think military "activity" will end at Natanz and Sepah "assets" you are very mistaken. There will be ever increasing escalations once the first bombs are dropped and it won't stop for decades. This I am certain of, and most informed "experts" agree, even those at the Pentagon.

This is from Gary Sick's Web site:

"Here is perhaps the best one-paragraph definition of why a military strike on Iran would be, in the words of former Mossad head Meir Dagan, “the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard.” Roger Cohen of the NY Times:

"This [a military strike], in the cautionary words of U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, could have “unintended consequences.” Among them: a lifeline for the weakened Islamic Republic that would lock it in for a generation; a sharp rise in American dead in neighboring Iraq and Afghanistan; direct or indirect (through Hezbollah) retaliation against Israel; a wave of radicalization just when jihadist ideology seems tired and the Arab Spring stands at a delicate juncture; a blow to the global economy from soaring oil prices; a revival of Iran’s sagging regional appeal as it becomes yet another Muslim country to face Western bombs; increased terrorism; and a subsequent Iranian race for a nuclear weapon fired by resentments as indelible as those left by the C.I.A. coup that ousted Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953."

I think he is too pessimistic and negative in his proposed solutions of containing and restraining Iran in various ways. It is not too late, in my view, to restrain Iran’s nuclear program by mutually agreed limitations in return for lifting some of the sanctions we have accumulated against Iran over the past 10 years."

Fesenjoon2 if you are going to be an advocate for war with Iran maybe you should go join AIPAC, or write for The Weekly Standard, or campaign for Rick Perry or Dimrich or all the other warmongers that are drooling blood and can't wait to destroy Iran.