1978

Badbadak...

They were all great flying "BADBADAK"...

Shah/Monarchy, Akhond/Islam, two side of the same crap...

Fair,

You are too kind. I understand your feelings and I also share your point of views. Iran-Iraq war also constitutes the most painful moment of my life as I lost a person that I cherished the most.

He was brave and had won so many competitions in US where Shah had sent him with his fellows, that at the beginning of the revolution his instructors had begged him to return back in US and continue his carrier there. But he decided to stay in the motherland and gave his life for its safety.

His plan was shut in Iraq and years after the end of the war we knew that he was alive after his crash and shot in his head by Iraqis while he was in captivity. Ironically his son was born few months after his crash.

Shah was not perfect and did a lot of mistakes but he also did a lot for Iran. I believe that Khomeini stole a golden opportunity of Iran by grabbing the power just after the revolution. He could have left the power to people as they fought for it. There is however a good thing in the past events and that is after 30 years of misery, people can now make the difference between what they could have and what they have and they also know what they exactly want.

History will be judge and Iranians will know every single part of their glorious and dark days. I am convinced that this day is not so far.

To all Iranian lovers and our heroes, past and present, without whom we couldn't have what we have now.

Ghorbanat.

Sargord, where was your dad stationed?

What did he fly?

God bless

God bless  Lt. Col. Abbas Doran. When I was a child, my pilot father used to extol the virues of the Iranian Air Force. Doran encompassed all that and more.

Hail all heroes and martyrs of the holy defense.

Hajminator, I also have

great respect for you and your dedication to Iran. I will wholeheartedly agree with you, every Iranian who fought and sacrificed for our motherland is a hero, and we owe them a tremendous debt, regardless of their unit, acronym, uniform, etc.

Let there be no mistake- I never disrespected any such individual based on era of service- all individuals who served in the IRIAF at the beginning were also from the IIAF as I said, and believe me- these men did not sign up to sacrifice their lives for an acronym. The only letter in those acronyms that mattered was "I" for Iran. I thank each and every one of them for their service.

All I said is that an air force needs a cohesive competent high command to be most effective, and the IRIAF suffered from a missing high command. Anybody who does just a basic study of military aviation history will see the importance of this. The individual pilots may be excellent and brave and do amazing things, but to reach maximum effectiiveness and impact, they must be utilized in a clever, cohesive fashion with a clear strategy in mind, recognizing their strength and weaknesses as well as their enemies'. This is the art of war. If it were just a matter of individual pilots skill and equipment, the German Luftwaffe should have destroyed the British RAF in a week. But the RAF actually defeated the Luftwaffe, a force 3 times its size with superior technology. Thanks to superior tactics and strategy.

I can bring you so many examples from the war from pilots themselves where incohesive command caused losses or infeffective missions, or misallocation of scarce resources to the wrong priorities. The most painful one for me was the sacrificing of Lt. Col. Abbas Doran, one of the best F4 pilots in Iran and in the world and a brilliant tactician, of which so few were left. He was sent to Baghdad in 1982, at a time when Baghdad had become the most heavily defended city in the world in reaction to the unexpected show of Iranian air power, even more than Moscow. He was one of the only remaining people capable of making it there. His wingman was hit 50 miles before Baghdad and Doran ordered him back to Iran. Doran went in, bombed his target, got hit, and chose to die in the crash because he knew too much and didn't want to give up vital information under torture. Do you know what his mission was? To hit some stupid hotel so that the nonaligned movement does not hold their conference there. A purely politcal propaganda target, it had absolutely no military value at all, and made no difference for the defence of Iran.

Now you know who ordered this mission? Ayatollah Khomeini, that is who. If a man like Jahanbani were commanding the Iranian air force, he would have never allowed such a stupid decision, such a devastating loss for Iran for absolutely nothing. The Iraqis didn't even know they had hit Doran because he was burned beyond recognition. But when they finally found out, they celebrated. The loss of people like Doran for Iran was much more devastating than a shortage of spare parts.

That is all. It is clear for anyone who does research to find and conclude, and it is very well documented.

People can call the Shah of Iran a puppet as much as they want. The fact is, he used the relationship and trust he had built with the US to build a world class military and strategic setup which kept us out of war in a crucial period of history for 37 years, in a neighborhood in which every one of our neighbors had been in war at least once during that period. And he strived to make it so that it was run by Iranians who were adequately trained. The 8 year war and subsequent years proved that he had achieved his goal beyond any doubt. He founded Iranian Aviation Industries, Iran Electronic Industries, Iranian Helicopter Industries, all of which are functioning today. A true puppet would never do such a thing that is in the long term
strategic interests of his country, but not in the long term strategic
interest of his master. For example, KSA has none of the above, and they are much more puppets than Shah ever was. This is just my opinion, and I am entitled to it.

I think of people like Col. Doran every day of my life, and mourn their loss. I think of how the loss of them and other such bright shining Iranians was so preventable by the best strategy for winning a war- avoiding it in the first place.

Sun Tzu said "Every battle is won before it is fought". Ayatollah Khomeini and the IRR regime did not put us in a winning position by their actions right after the revolution. Their goal was not Iran, and they proved it.

But the goal of those we commemorate here today, including those in this picture with "fruit salad" hanging from them, was.

I am sorry for your loss Hajminator, and the loss of every Iranian warrior who never came home. We are Iranian today because of men like them who have been doing this for thousands of years. They never quit.

And we never will.

Humbly,

-Fair

IRI's Lashkar-e Shekast Khordeh

And now look at IRI's commanders and their ugly faces and out of shape
bodies. They are only good at killing our civilians.The occupiers of
Iran

//3.bp.blogspot.com/_c3WtQv44wGc/SyWmSVFSYeI/...

islamic regime used and abused Air Force as they did with

every other segment of society, which explains the despise of the whole nation of who they are and everything they stand for. Avi Shlaim (Iron Wall- an Israeli and Oxford Scholar) explains how the Zionist have engaged in systematic revisioning of history. The islamic regime either by association or copy has done the same from inception which started long before the 79 events...but a different story there. Their twisting of simple facts and how they orchestrated the demise of the Iranian Air Force is a story of folly and stupidity, as well as sinister attack on anything that is associated with Iran and Persia. Indeed, this is not unrelated to their systemic attacks at the roots of what is Iranian but that is also a whole different story. As for Air Force, no different:

-The Iranian Air Force, despite low morale... responded quickly with operation Kaman 99... The Iranian counterattack is evidence that, despite shake-ups in its command structure, pre-revolution plans for countering an Iraqi attack had been left intact and the pilots were able to execute these plans efficiently...The pilots implementing pre-revolution strategic plans did so out of loyalty to their nation despite despise of regime but as time progressed no more concrete ideas would be forthcoming as the senior command had been decimated...The virtual grounding of the Iranian Air Force in late 1980 and early 1981 due to technical problems helps to explain a second dimension of the conduct of the war... At the outbreak of War, many veterans volunteered their services and those who had left in previous spring returned, swept up in a wave of national fervor to expel the Arab invader...Bani-Sadr persuaded khomeini to release many of the imprisoned Air Force personnel, urgently needed pilots and technicians. Even Iranians who had left the country began to return in the hopes of helping their country. The return of pilots, helped in the opening days of the war and was instrumental in slowing Iraqi advance and spreading fear in baghdad...return of the exiled and imprisoned pilots gave the Air Force a burst of manpower and fresh crews... Fears of fresh purges were soon realized as four Colonels and four majors who had returned to Iran were later imprisoned and shot by the government in renewed whichhunts...Air Force was more loyal to the nation than it was to the new regime....The decline in the capabilities corresponds to a renewed purge of the Air Force in the spring and summer of 1981...a tribunal of "Mullahs" was put in place to authorize every flight. The Islamic authorities had apparently learned this idea from the Soviets...To be an Iranian Air Force officer at that time meant facing greater risks from imprisonment or execution on the ground than from Iraqi attack to or via the air. The Iranian Air Force essentially ceased to function.

“Both Iraq and Iran began the war with impressive air defense systems… Iraq and Iran failed totally to integrate their air defense elements into an overall system.” In the case of Iraq, it is not clear why this was the case, but in the case of Iran, these rest squarely on the shoulders of the revolutionary regime and its draconian policies against the Air Force.

..By 1978 Iran had the worlds 5th strongest and largest army and was the clear undisputed regional superpower. During this period of strength Iran protected its interests militarily in the region: In Oman, the Dhofar Rebellion was quashed. In November 1971 Iranian forces seized control of three uninhabited but strategic islands at the mouth of the Persian Gulf...once in place the revolutionary regime regarded the Air Force as a waste of money that rightfully belonged to the mostazafin. The senior command echelon of the IIAF had been decapitated in 1979...

If part of Iran was not lost to Iraq, despite islamic regime incompetence and vatanforoushi, it was thanks to Iranians fighting for Iran and the power of the Pre-79 Iranian Air Force.

Losses of Khazar and other rights in international arena even without a war is yet another sad story of khaen and khianat.

sargord pirgouz....

the fact the your even trying to compare the mighty IIAF to the mullahs' version is laughable....

and you talk about dependence on foreign aid.....you think your akhoonds have been ruining iran all by themselves???? no, they are too stupid for that....so what about china and russia  and all the crappy, old planes and weapons which they have shafted iran with???

didn't iran air have the best safety record before your mullahs overran our nation????

you know how many accident we have had because the mullahs are buying crap from the russians???

and finally, these brave men listed here were a zillion times more patriotic and fearless than any godamn mullah would ever dream of being!

for example, gen jahanbani- a record setting pilot and ace was murdered in cold blood by your mullahs on a charge of 'spreading corruption on earth!!!!"

face it, the akhoonds are and have alway been a tool of the brits, french and now the russian and chinese....they had specific instructions on who to target and kill- traitors like gharebaghi and fardoost were spared, because they were in on the evil plan....

so don't try to disrespect the great legacy of these brave men.....too bad they didn't shoot down your khomeini's plane...otherwise we would been in a much better place now 

These were true generals!

Not the dirty, hairy, scruffy Basijis and Pasdarchia. Ghole Sarsabad een Pasdarhayeh mozdoor, Sargord Peezori ast. He looks like he is wearing his father's suit. He has to use a rough Keeseh on his face to remove all the Keberh.

the ultimate test: the holy defense

I must say, Fair, you’re reasonably informed about the Iran Air Force.

Something to keep in mind is that the 1979/80 Revolution was a popular uprising, and the Shah was seen by the vast majority as a puppet of the US (his very installment by a CIA coup against a popularly elected leader is testimony of that). And, the Nojeh coup was attempting to reverse the popular aspect of the revolution (remember, Islamic governance was voted in).

Arguments over whether the IIAF was stronger than the subsequently established IRIAF are only partially relevant. The popular will of the people was to undo Iran’s dependence on the US (which included the head of state and the air force). So, of course, with the air force’s dependence on the US severed and its high ranking officers guilty of treason (complete with US complicity), the IRIAF was going to possess many disadvantages.

That the mid-ranking IRIAF officers available at the start of the war were able to step up to the plate and give a more than good accounting of themselves is a true mark of heroism, rather than all the imperiously bestowed “fruit salad” you see on all these IIAF General’s gaudy uniforms.

Now I’m not saying that all of these IIAF Generals were bad, or that they were all-bad. But they certainly didn’t have to rise from out of adversity the way the heroes of the IRIAF did so during the Imposed War.

Those of you who are so brave

that you bark only when you are in front of your cage take a good look at these guys in the photo in the link below,

//www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/image-1-30.h...

I bet you would wet you pants if you faced one of these guys!?

Boland Aseman Jaye Anhast!

Dear Q,

I felt Fair with my heart. I have great respect for him as I'm conviced that he is a brave heart and a true compatriot.

Would you both gentlemen stop tearing each other, at least on this page where we are commemorating our heroes.

Every son of Iranzamin who loved Iran and gave his/her life for its prosperity is a hero for us all. No matter, if (s)he belonged to IIAF, regular army, Basij or Sepah.

جوک هوایی - به یاد آیت‌الله منتظری

(با لهجه اصفهانی خوانده شود)

منتظری در یک هوا پیمای مسافری کنار پپنجره نشسته و از مناطق جنگ زده بازدید می‌کند. ناگهان یک جنگنده میگ عراقی از پنجره هواپیما دیده میشود

منتظری به همراهش: این چی‌ چیس؟
همراه: این قربان میگه
منتظری: خوب پنجره رو بکش پایین ببینیم چی‌ چی‌ میگه!.

Another discussion by Q with himself

Truly pathetic indeed. Twist what I say, claim that I agree with you, and weasel out of trying to take your foot out of your mouth.

I will not dignify your continuous drivel and misinformation with a line by line response. But I will say:

1)I never agreed that Shah was a puppet. Your fantasy world may lead you there, but not reality. I say it takes more than being a puppet to achieve mastery of ultra modern systems, in response to your ludicrous claim that "it may be easy when you are a puppet".

2)I never insulted anybody in the IIAF or IRIAF, and no amount of you trying to fabricate such BS will change that.

3)The Iranian Air Force in 1980 had nowhere near the strength it had in 1975, and you yelling and screaming as much as you want won't change that. Look at any reference, including the IRIAF historical accounts themselves if you actually are sincere about learning something. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous, by now a behavior you are very good at.

4)The retaliations, first missions or otherwise, did not nearly achieve nearly the same result, since the first one destroyed the invading force in 20 minutes, causing total defeat of the invaders. The first missions in 1980 did not even come close to destroying even 1 of the 6 invading divisions, let alone the whole invading force.  That doesn't mean the IRIAF did not perform admirably, they did phenominally well, GIVEN THE SITUATION THEY WERE PUT IN.  But the results were nowhere near what could have been by the IIAF at that point.

5)Iran didn't need US satellite intelligence to find out about Iraqi troop movements. It had plenty of reconnaisance assets like the RF4E and RF5 whose mission was exactly that. But why were they not being used in the months prior to September 1980, and why was there not a general miltary alert called as a result? Hint: THE IIAF HIGH COMMAND WAS DESTROYED.

6) Just having plans from the last decade without the minds that made them is not nearly the same as having both. In war, one has to make quick informed smart decisions. In 1980, there was no strategic aerial decision making process- it was just throw everything you can at whatever you can because we were unprepared. This is very well documented and if you talk with anybody that was involved in this at the time they would agree. Also, maybe you can enlighten the readers here that how it is possible that a pilot that has spent 9 months in jail with no flight time and many of his friends having been executed or purged in 1980 is going to be even 30% as effective as a pilot that is at the peak of his training and on edge in 1975. In light of these two basic realities, your utterly stupid and ludicrous assertion that

Here's the bottom line: Shah's AF in 1980 could not have done better. Why? because it was the same Airforce,

or other drivel like

So, apparently those things
were not affected. You're reaching like a straw, simply making crap up trying to say that these pilots would have been more prepared.

are just further examples of your infinite stupidity.

The only crap that is here Q is that which comes out of your big mouth when you really have no clue whatsoever about the most basic military and military aviation realities.

Get a life, and until you do that, take your misinformation and BS where there is nobody to contest you. You will not be able to rewrite history here.

-Fair

Fire crackers...

Thru a fire crackers and all these so called generals would have been running for a mouse whole to hide...

The photo looks like taken before they were all admitted to hell...

it's so sad when people get blinded with hate, sound like fools,

such people completely lose their composure and start fighting some imaginary wind mill, and firmly leave reality. They make themselves sound like idiots and jerks and for what? Just so they can feel like they are "righteous" defenders of Iran's honor.

Pathetic ain't even close to covering it.

If you pay attention, Fair (far from), to the comment I left you at 1:24 PM you see that it does not mention the slightest thing about IRI or compares the systems or defends either one.

You, having gone crosseyed with rage and hatred, are projecting your own imaginary "enemy" into any discussion as a means of emptying your anger and "oghdeh".

That's plain as day for people reading. No matter what happens, that's clear for all to see.

Vermin like you are not worth my time,

Funny how you say that but spend hours debating me repeatedly. You can make whatever obvious lie you want to tell yourself, but if I see your laughable BS, it will get called on. That's reality. You can deal with it, or you can arrongantly pretend you are too good for it.

correcting your misinformation

Oh good I can't wait. Let's see how you do.

point 1. "US Puppet"

So there is more than just being a "paying puppet" to accomplishing this feat.

Who are you quoting when you say "paying puppet"? Nevermind, I don't care. The point here is that you agree with me that Iran was a puppet. That's exactly what I said. I never made any reference to anybody's skill (which I'm saying was the same level in 75 and 80). the puppet part comes in not in the first 20 minutes but in the next weeks and months as I clearly explained in my comment.

Point #2. "The people You're insulting..."

Not "probably". But EXACTLY the same as IIAF.

That's in agreement with me. So you're not correcting anything here. Good!

So who exactly from that air force am I insulting? Stop fabricating BS as usual.

The people you are insulting are the pilots in 1980. By implications your saying IAF finished the job in 20 minutes in 1975, but could not finish it in 20 minutes in 1980. Your last line says "WHEN THEIR GOVERNMENT PERMITTED THEM", meaning the airforce was not permitted to do something right after the 1980 invasion.
That's your (laughable) point that had it been 1975, Iraq's invasion would have been dealt with in 20 minutes.

So, since this is utter nonsense, I will have to use your own words for people who are that shallow and simple minded. What did you use? "utterly ignorant and clueless".

In fact the Iranian airforce was just as good in 1980 and performed admirably. In your criticism of the Iranian airforce in 1980, you simply ignore all the serious differences between the two situations not the least of which is the scale of the attack and the backing of a superpower.

So both retaliatons were indeed thanks to the years of sweat and high standards and professionalism of the IIAF.

Exactly what I said from the very beginning. You see what happens when you go crossyed with rage?

Again, you have corrected nothing. Only engaged in a self-serving fantasy joust with a wind mill.

Point #3, my favorite: In fact the first missions of both retaliations were exactly the same ending in achieving Iranian aerial objectives.

Sigh... once again drivel from a clueless Q.

OK, some BS name calling with no substance, what's next?

First of all, Both retaliations were even possible, since they were planned, practiced, and trained for meticulously down to the last detail and minute by the IIAF.

Yes, and?

So even if what you claim is true,

It's true, you have provided jack squat against it.

it would be more of a tribute to the people in this picture because THEY WERE THE MASTERMINDS OF THESE RETALIATIONS AND ALL OPERATIONS.

Most tribute goes to the people doing the fighting. But this is a nonsequitor distraction. I didn't say anything against these people.

Iranian pilots would not even know where to go and what to strike in 1980 and beyond if they did not have the plans made by these commanders.

OK, more time waste and drivel. Does it make you feel good to repeat uncontroversial things that I didn't even dispute? Another effect of rage-blindness.

Second of all, the retaliation in 1975 achieved the primary Iranian aerial objective in 20 minutes- the destruction of the invaders. In 1980, the retaliation achieved only a secondary objective- to slow the invaders. The primary objective of destroying the invaders was not possible because the Iranian Air Force did not have a coherent command and control,

Oh BULL! do you understand there was a much greater size and scale in the second invasion?. Do you understand 6-10 divisions versus1 division? Do you understand surprise aerial attack on airfields(1980) ?

The "enemy" was much bigger and the situation was different.

Your sense of fairness is freighteningly irrational. What's next? should we compare Saddam's 1975 invasion to Nazis' 1943 invasion of Soviet Union and say "Soviets couldn't DESTROY the invaders in 20 minutes..." LOL!

Here's the bottom line: Shah's AF in 1980 could not have done better. Why? because it was the same Airforce, as you yourself are saying. This is a very simple logical point. Can you understand it?

Why? Because its entire high command had been destroyed by the mullahs and there was not strategic planning, and Iraq having seen this had been spending months preparing its invastion.

Pure BS. You yourself just said these plans were made by these generals at the time of the Shah. So, apparently those things were not affected. You're reaching like a straw, simply making crap up trying to say that these pilots would have been more prepared. Show some proof or stop wasting time.

In addition, US satellite intelligence would have alerted Iran to any large troop movement. That's the only way Iran could have been 'more' prepared.

FACT: Had Iranian Air Force high command not been destroyed by the mullahs- SADDAM HUSSEIN WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE DARED ATTACK IRAN.

COMPLETELY FALSE. Saddam is considered at best a semi-rational actor by US. He invaded Iran during Shah's time. In 1980 he made the laughable assertion that he could land in Tehran in 3 days. He invaded Kuwait knowing US was a Kuwaiti ally. And furthermore after it was made clear to him that US is gathering troops to retaliate, he refused to pull out of Kuwait until it was too late.

Your statement is a feel good fantasy. Your analysis (based only on your own blind rage) is worthless.

You whine about superpowers being on one side or the other

It's called facts. They are indisputable. I understand if you are unfamiliar with them however.

Point #4. Who was leading the country and military during that era?

For your "20 minutes" argument, this is completely irrelevant.

Even for the "8 years" argument, you (like some kind of teenager) don't seem to understand that the global alliances were differet and much more favorable to Iraq.

It's true, my friend, sorry to burst your ego-bubble: Given US/Soviet backing of Iraq, Iran being shut out of world markets and lack of equipment, even your beloved Shah couldn't do much better, and that's being generous to the former US-puppet. Now that's a FACT!

Your only defense is that revolution was wrong, everyone who helped bring down the Shah was wrong, and Iran should have stayed a puppet because puppets, like dogs, have the masters to protect them (not true for Saddam, Noriega and many other puppets). We can certainly debate this, but it is not reality, nor the point of this blog.

The reality is that Iran was attacked and the airforce responded just as well as 1975, and then carried out the best it could after, under the circumstances.

Point #5.
Yes, it was a much bigger invasion with an aerial surprise attack, but the successfull response was very comparable. Exactly like I said.

20 minutes vs 8 years. How comparable is that?

Yawn.

Speaking of "Savad", let's see what I actually said:

In fact the first missions of both retaliations were exactly the same ending in achieving Iranian aerial objectives.

And I gave the article that proved it. Looks like someone's rage has blinded them completely.

You think you're fooling school children trying to say the invasions were of the same size? Only yourself.

Now let the real whining commense!

.......

//www.ejection-history.org.uk/Country-By-Country/Iraq.htm

Hey JJ

If you want the posters to exercise the proper rules, manner, and etiquette of posting then for God's sake be fair in your deletion policy. Here we have the author of this blog, Faramarz, posting these photos out of respect for the families and loved ones of the members of the IIAF. Next thing you see is a post by, Farmarz_Fateh, with the following text, "I was barely a teenager when I left Iran so I can't say I know these military men or know much about them. All I know is that most (not all of course) military higher ups in the Iranian forces had Phds in khaayeh mali of the Shah.  Not only yes men, but way beyound just saying yes."
Don't you (JJ) consider the term "khaayeh mali" offensive? Or maybe you are just being selective in picking and choosing whose post you would like to arbitrarily delete? People will start believing in your sincerity once they see consistency in your words and deeds, BTW!?
Finally, one should be in a close vicinity of one's khaayeh in order to observe khaayeh mali. I wonder if Faramarz-Fateh was in that proximity!?
I guess I should consider this post to be deleted by you!?

Great Men...

May they be in peace no matter where they are.  Javid IIAF, Javid IRANIANS.

Annonymouse, Relatives Left a While Ago!

Words of Wisdom from Yoda to Young Luke Skywalker!

After presiding over the summary trials and executions of many Iranian military officers and politicians, Sadegh Khalkhali (famous for hanging and executing alley cats as a sick hobby) said, “Even those who are not guilty of any crimes against the people, they are still Zena Kaar and Mofsed-e-fel-Arz and should be executed anyway.”

It is sad to see that 30 years later, such bitter feelings still prevail.

We need to move forward, or putting it in the words of Yoda as he told Luke Skywalker in the Star Wars, “But beware. Anger, fear, aggression, the dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny!”

عراق میگه ننه شط عرب مال منه، ایران میگه کوفت ننه شط عرب مال منه

Everything is sacred.

Dear Farah Khanom

The suggestion that Iran's Air Force in 1980 was the same Air Force as it was in 1978 is completely false.

I think it is fair to say that the Iran's air force in 1980 was at a fraction of the strength that it was in 1978, and this was primarily due to its decapitation by the mullahs. When you take of the head, it is harder for the body to move coherently.  But those in the air force were the remainder of the IIAF, because mullah couldn't tell a jet fighter from a paper airplane.  All they did is create political ideological offices at every base and put spies everywhere.  And killed some pilots who said too much to these spies.

Those left commanding the air force were certainly junior to these generals, and were trained for completely different roles. Bombing an airfield is a completely different skillset than planning aerial strategy and tactics.

Of course, the majority of people in the junior ranks were so good and talented (I know several USAF instructors who said their best students from all over the world were Iranian and Israeli), they learned fast the hard way- in war. But by the time they could learn and come up to speed, the invasion had progressed too far and it was a bit late.

That is why had the miltary been transitioned to the new government RESPONSIBLY with a civilized government based on the rule of law and human rights inviting all former officers of the II armed forces to serve their country in the new government, SH would never get the opening that he got, and the war would never had happened.

But instead, the IRR mullahs destroyed the entire high command of the military, pushed it aside, refused permission to many imprisoned or exiled pilots who begged to be allowed to fight, established a new ideological guard called the IRGC which was not concerned one bit about Iran (look at its name), it took US diplomats hostage, threatened all the Arab states with overthrow and export of the revolution.

Today, many of the surviving heroes of the IIAF, IRIAF live abroad with very meager standards of living, far from the people that they defended so valiantly. Any normal country would keep these people at home and honor them. Not us.

Not yet. One day, Iran will be rid of anti Iranian regressive forces, and the heroes will be reunited with their people. All of the heroes with all of the people.

-Fair

Faramarz jaan I hope the "relatives" can sleep better now!

Everything is sacred.

more corrections of the amateur Q

Yes, it was a much bigger invasion with an aerial surprise attack, but the successfull response was very comparable. Exactly like I said.

20 minutes vs 8 years. How comparable is that?

In 1975, the Iraqi invasion force was DESTROYED in 20 minutes. Not even close to that result was achieved in 1980.

This is not due to the skills of the air force, on the contrary they did what they were asked to do tremendously well. It was not possible for them to do more, and most other pilots anywhere else in the world would not have even done that.

This was solely due to the anti Iranian policies of IRI (including the gentleman on your avatar) in which Iran was isolated purely for ideological reasons, and its regular military was decapitated by the mullahs. Only under such circumstances could SH attack, and he did. And all the people that Khomeini the traitor pissed off helped him. To a point.

So no. NOT exactly like you said. But since when is what you say relevant I guess.

-Fair

GUYS!!!

Your arguing back-and-forth and name-calling in the token Iranian fashion is awesome and all, but how about using only English? Not everybody that visits this site is Iranian; let's show our true backstabbing, conspiracy theory-worshipping colors to the world in only English to prove just how disorganized and disunited we truly are! So please make references to kissing anatomical parts of Shah or Khomeini or doing each other's mothers in English only so all can see how not only are we a discombobulated mess inside Iran, but outside as well!

Thank you Hajminator

You are right. They were all creams of the cream. It is sad that some had to flee their homes for fear of their lives though a few returned home after the war to offer their services to their country.God bless them all.

Farah

Shameless Clueless Q Drivel again

There you go putting your foot in your mouth again. You are not worth my time, and you are way out of your league here discussing something you have no clue about.

But for the sake of setting the record straight and correcting your misinformation, I will respond. Not for the sake of you, as you are beyond hope.

Well, it can be easy when you're a US puppet

Really. Do you know in 1975 how many countries operated the F4E/Maverick combination, and with what performance? This weapon had barely entered service with the US when it entered service in Iran, and the Iranians' quick mastery of this and other ultra modern systems impressed the Americans. So there is more than just being a "paying puppet" to accomplishing this feat. There are many puppets, like Saudi Arabia, who could not do squat if the Americans didn't do everything for them. In Iran this was not the case.

First, the people you are insulting were probably exactly the same as the Shah's airforce.

Not "probably". But EXACTLY the same as IIAF. So who exactly from that air force am I insulting? Stop fabricating BS as usual. I respect ALL those who have fought for Iran, both before and after the revolution, including the Basijis who fought for their country. But I refuse to accept your preposterous claim that they showed "infinitely greater courage and sacrifice".

Indeed the Iranian air force right after the revolution WERE exactly the same as the IIAF, as the mullahs added nothing but damage to the air force. So both retaliatons were indeed thanks to the years of sweat and high standards and professionalism of the IIAF.

In fact the first missions of both retaliations were exactly the same ending in achieving Iranian aerial objectives.

Sigh... once again drivel from a clueless Q.

First of all, Both retaliations were even possible, since they were planned, practiced, and trained for meticulously down to the last detail and minute by the IIAF. So even if what you claim is true, it would be more of a tribute to the people in this picture because THEY WERE THE MASTERMINDS OF THESE RETALIATIONS AND ALL OPERATIONS. Iranian pilots would not even know where to go and what to strike in 1980 and beyond if they did not have the plans made by these commanders.

Second of all, the retaliation in 1975 achieved the primary Iranian aerial objective in 20 minutes- the destruction of the invaders. In 1980, the retaliation achieved only a secondary objective- to slow the invaders. The primary objective of destroying the invaders was not possible because the Iranian Air Force did not have a coherent command and control, and was not prepared for a large scale Iraqi invasion. Why? Because its entire high command had been destroyed by the mullahs and there was not strategic planning, and Iraq having seen this had been spending months preparing its invastion. Many of Iran's pilots and remaining commanders were in jail, and only after Banisadr secured the release of hundreds of them, was increased activity possible.

FACT: Had Iranian Air Force high command not been destroyed by the mullahs- SADDAM HUSSEIN WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE DARED ATTACK IRAN.

You whine about superpowers being on one side or the other, but If you had SAVAD, you would read my question:

Who was leading the country and military during that era?

and try to answer it. Because in doing so, you would have been able to explain WHY the superpowers and other powers were supporting Iraq and why Iran was alone. BECAUSE OF THE POLICIES OF THE STUPID IRANIAN LEADERSHIP, INCLUDING THE MAN ON YOUR AVATAR. The fact that the Shah of Iran made a decision to be strong allies with the US in a country that had the USSR to the north and the Iraqi/Arab menace to the west and the south in a neighborhood otherwise consumed by war was a credit to him, and a sign that he cared about his country. Unlke the IRR mullahs, who have not one iota of care for Iran, only for their bankrupt ideology which continues to suck Iran dry.

Furthermore, to say the superpowers were on Iraq's side alone is just a downright lie. The USA, USSR, and China all supported both sides at different stages during this war, to make sure none of them one UNDERLINING THE TREASONOUS NATURE OF BOTH GOVERNMENTS TOWARDS THEIR PEOPLE. This is well documented, but you are too arrogant to do the research and admit it. That is right- THE IRAN IRAQ WAR WAS THE ONLY WAR IN MODERN HISTORY WHEN ALL SUPERPOWERS SUPPORTED BOTH SIDES. In fact, one of the only countries who consistently supported only Iran was none other than ISRAEL.

So Q, the only thing "shallow" here is your ability to read history, gauge the situation, and draw lessons from it. As well as your ability to have any meaningful discussion with any other than your poor self.

-Fair

God Bless the memebers of the Imperial Iranian Armed Forces

both those who were murdered by the Mullahs and those who still live among us.

The attributes that made these men and women great are: patriotism, competence, discipline, honor, dedication,and sacrifice!?

As a relative of one of the members (F4 Pilot stationed at the Bushehr AF Base until 1976) of the Nojeh uprising who was murdered by the criminal mullahs, I swear to my son that I would NOT hesitate a solitary second to drop nuclear bombs on the entire establishment of the Islamic Republic regime, the Revolutionary Guards, the Basijis, and their supporters if such opportunity became available!?
One day not in a distant future, we will build statues of the brave men and the women of the IIAF, IIAA, IIGF, and IIN all across the four corners of Iran.

Khanoom Rusta,

You are right that after the revolution some IIAF pilots sought asylum in North America but many creams of the creams stayed home and were been killed while fighting for the motherland.
//www.iiaf.net/stories/warheroes/warheroes.ht...

Thanks to the IRI ...

Canada was reportedly the biggest beneficiary of the deserted pilots of the Iranian Air Force. The suggestion that Iran's Air Force in 1980 was the same Air Force as it was in 1978 is completely false. By then the cream of the Iranian Air Force had sought asylum in North America and Canada in droves. All had received the best of training which was placed in the service of Canadian government at no cost.    

Farah