The Last Generals

Photo essay: The Shah's Air Force

by Faramarz
21-Dec-2009
 
This is the last picture of the Shah's air force generals taken at Golestan Palace. I hope that their children and relatives find some comfort in seeing these men in their prime. If you know their names email times@iranian.com and they will be added to this album.
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Q

Here's proof that you are full of it (pay attention:)

by Q on

"I responded to your attack and use of uf."

uf stands for "unfair", I mentioned it several times in the comment in full. You might think this rises to the level of ridiculing based on name alone, but you are wrong. I explained exactly why the comment is unfair to the people who gave their lives in 1980.

Proof? It was not edited at all! At least hte editors who edited both of us, did not consider it a problem. That's digital proof.

I did not call you "uf" and you did not say anything about defending fair's "name", or attacking me because of my use of "uf". Unless you are the same person (wouldn't put it past you guys), that doesn't fly.

Once again, what you called me was a problem, bad enough to be edited, but my use of "uf" was not! This makes the first instance of a "problem" yours.

Having lost the main argument of the blog you are now trying to save face by wasting time about semantics. But even here, you are wrong.

Deal with it!


Hovakhshatare

Q, Here is digital proof that you are a lier and an obfuscator

by Hovakhshatare on

which is why nothing you say is worth the bits they use:

"The hypocrite that you are, of course you don't mention how your own name calling (uncomparable to "uf") was before mine and also cleaned up by the editors."

I responded to your attack and use of uf and hurling U.S. puppet accusation. So both chronologically and digitally your statement above is FALSE. That despite your fabrications cannot be denied as it is recorded in digits. Therefore, you are a lier who will spare no twisting to get your falsifications across. even when you are arguing technicalities. That's why a discussion with you is an exercise in futility not because history cannot be discussed.

Lets see what lie and twist you come up in response to this one.


jasonrobardas

Too many fake medals displayed ,

by jasonrobardas on

    Just like their big kahoona ( shahanshah Ariamehr rahbare Azim  blah blah ..) . All wearing dictatorial suits of honor with slew of medals achieved in concietedness and deciet. 

       Time to get rid of all dictators of all brands  Shah or Sheikh . Rishu or birish ."Rishu (bearded) , birish( clean shaven ) ".


Q

5th grader is a 5th grader

by Q on

and only a 5th grader doesn't know that Basij and military were two different forces. Basij is not a religious term either, genius!

What was saved was thanks to the Iranian not IRR military and that has nothing to do with honoring soldiers (basiji in your religious term)

seeing as how you completely dodged the original point, I'll repeat this again for you to eat:

Within hours, Iranian F-4 Phantoms took off from the same bases, successfully attacked strategically important targets close to major Iraqi cities, and returned home with very few losses.
//www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/i...

Noticed IC just updated your name calling (nice feature/editing IC, I endorse).

The hypocrite that you are, of course you don't mention how your own name calling (uncomparable to "uf") was before mine and also cleaned up by the editors.

It's OK, we're used to this kind of blind hypocrisy and can see through it now. It comes through your simple grade school logic just the same as your historical "analysis."


Michael Mahyar Hojjatie

Careful what you wish for...

by Michael Mahyar Hojjatie on

All this talk on here about "Second Revolution", "Secular Revolution", this and that, we all know it is inevitable and it will happen before long. It NEEDS to happen, because not just Iranians, but the rest of the world are clamoring for this cancerous plague of a regime to be sent to their God. BUT, if a power vacuum ensues after the fact, as it did the first time, and the "bad guys" win because they got their hands on the most guns, then all will truly be lost. We need a government for the people, by the people, of the people to restore order after 30 years of complete and utter hell. But with our culture so divided among religious, ethnic, political, and socio-economic lines (as in being encourage to only associate/marry/breed with basically a carbon copy of yourself with equipment of the opposite sex), this will be one heck of a challenge. I am hoping for the best, I am hoping that just being Iranian is sufficient enough and all other trivialities (because that is exactly what they are!) will stop mattering as much as they have!


Hovakhshatare

did you not show your 5th grade intellect starting with uf ?

by Hovakhshatare on

So I brought the level down to your sbut apparently it does not help. Noticed IC just updated your name calling (nice feature/editing IC, I endorse).

Meanwhile, copy/paste irrelevant informationto obfuscate and bring forth your twisted logic and angle. What was saved was thanks to the Iranian not IRR military and that has nothing to do with honoring soldiers (basiji in your religious term) who sacrified for their country as you try to twist that angle too. At question is not the honorable men and women of Iran because you would not know them if they stood in front of you and slapped you. If you did you would not use them in your argument the way you do.

selective memory, selective history, selective logic, selective angles and answers and never ending word twisting. That is your trademark Q butyour hana ain't got color.

With friends like you Iran needs no enemies.


khaleh mosheh

Oh what a cute group

by khaleh mosheh on

of men. Although I probably would pick my favourite from the 'Be a Man' campaign.


Q

Hovakhshatare

by Q on

False as usual. Iraq military was soviet equipped, did not fit/match Iran and U.S. supported Iraq per Green belt and attrition plan, and the IRR subscribed to it and sacrificed the country in order to consolidate power.

BS as usual. Iraq had tremendous signals and satellite intelligence from the US (that it used from the first aerial attacks), economic aid, access to loan markets, and CIA purchased weapons from Eastern block. Yes they may have been soviet made, but US paid for them. Furthermore, US withheld parts and repairs from Iranian fleet. Some of the same Shah airforce died because of this policy.

Another lie manufactured by you. While some were the same, they were used (lower ranks) as tools because they were needed.

They were exactly the same airforce. It takes years to get the training and there was not enough time for a brand new IRI class. They also performed exactly as well. They were just betrayed when their equipment failed thanks to US policy.

There was no such 20 minute similar story except in your fabrication.

Yes, it was a much bigger invasion with an aerial surprise attack, but the successfull response was very comparable. Exactly like I said.

On September 22, 1980, formations of Iraqi MiG-23s and MiG21s attacked Iran's air bases at Mehrabad and Doshen-Tappen (both near Tehran), as well as Tabriz, Bakhtaran, Ahvaz, Dezful, Urmia (sometimes cited as Urumiyeh), Hamadan, Sanandaj, and Abadan. Their aim was to destroy the Iranian air force on the ground--a lesson learned from the Arab-Israeli June 1967 War. They succeeded in destroying runways and fuel and ammunition depots, but much of Iran's aircraft inventory was left intact. Iranian defenses were caught by surprise, but the Iraqi raids failed because Iranian jets were protected in specially strengthened hangars and because bombs designed to destroy runways did not totally incapacitate Iran's very large airfields. Within hours, Iranian F-4 Phantoms took off from the same bases, successfully attacked strategically important targets close to major Iraqi cities, and returned home with very few losses.
//www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/i...

Do us all a favor and think before you insult honorable Iranians next time.


Hovakhshatare

there you go again Q

by Hovakhshatare on

there you go again, twisting and bastardizing as you have practiced forever.

"a fraction of resources" within a short time after Shah was created by the incompetence of your beloved islamic regime.

"In the 80's they were both on the same side (Iraq's) and there was no disincentive for them to help kill more Iranians.".  False as usual. Iraq military was soviet equipped, did not fit/match Iran and U.S. supported Iraq per Green belt and attrition plan, and the IRR subscribed to it and sacrificed the country in order to consolidate power.

"probably exactly the same as the Shah's airforce. In fact the first missions of both retaliations were exactly the same ending in achieving Iranian aerial objectives". Another lie manufactured by you. While some were the same, they were used (lower ranks) as tools because they were needed. And 'dealth with' later. There was no such 20 minute similar story except in your fabrication.

The only shameless here is you and the rest of IRR stooges.


Arthimis

Javid Iran

by Arthimis on

And Javid every single men and women who served Iran in the Imperial Iranian Armed Forces...

Thank God we had ONE Iranian who got it in Iran back then, And yes he was Shah Of Iran... He was among minority who were Truly Iran Lovers...

Funny, Last night I was playing a series of DVD one family member brought back from Iran!

10 bad quality DVDs about Shah, Shahbaanoo and... purchased very recently in Tehran...

THE TITLE IS CALLED : KHAKE NAA-SEPAAS!!!! You Think???!!!

This is what the young people (in particular) watch in Iran and about Iran's glorious past in comparison with these bastardized satan worshipers in charge of Iran since 1979...

It doesn't take a genuiss to see and understand the difference...

Islamic/Satanic worshipers are so ignorant......

 


Q

Well, it can be easy when you're a US puppet

by Q on

Hey uf,

Thanks for not disappointing me. So far, everything I have read of you has been grossly unfair and unobjective, this one included. Your nickname can't compensate for most of it.

How are you shamelessly unfair with this shallow analysis? Let me count the ways:

First, the people you are insulting were probably exactly the same as the Shah's airforce. In fact the first missions of both retaliations were exactly the same ending in achieving Iranian aerial objectives.

But unlike 80's, the big superpower was on Iran's side and the other Superpower couldn't afford a serious conflict. In the 80's they were both on the same side (Iraq's) and there was no disincentive for them to help kill more Iranians.

People are usually greateful to whoever fights and defends his country, these men included. Are you equally greatful to the Bassijis who fought the invasion with a tiny fraction of resources, showing infinitely greater courage and personal sacrifice?


Fair

20 minutes in 1975 vs 8 years in 1980's

by Fair on

In 1975, an Iraqi armored division crossed Arvand Rood to secure the Iranian side and solidify their claim on all of Arvand Rood. The IIAF destroyed them in 20 minutes. The US Air Force and the Pentagon were amazed how proficient the Iranian pilots had become in such a short time with the state of the art Maverick missile, as became clear later in declassified internal memos.

20 minutes.

Then Iraq signed the 1975 agreement giving up their claim. And that was that. Most Iranians didn't even notice, ungrateful people like Fateh and Emil included.

How long did the next war with Iraq take? What outcome did that have for the Iranian people? Who was leading the country and military during that era?

Iranians, regardless of politics are grateful to such people for keeping us safe from barbarians and giving invaders the treatment they deserved WHEN THEIR GOVERNMENT PERMITTED THEM. At least those Iranians who are not utterly ignorant and clueless.

 

-Fair

 


cyclicforward

One quetion

by cyclicforward on

   Some of the uniforms are darker blue and some are lighter blue one. What is the difference in between them or is it just the colors that got messed up?

 

    Can someone shed a light on this. Thank you.


oktaby

First and foremost, I salute these honorable MEN

by oktaby on

and their memories. Special mention goes to Saied Mehdiyoun.

Second, I really wish that we respect ourselves. Shah was a dictator but he was of us and for us with all his flaws. So were these men, some of whom were great generals and pilots, and others who got there by luck and contact. One of my far relatives was Shah's personal pilot and he was as good as they came, anyhere and did not get there by inbreeding. Another Timsar relative was not worth the uniform he wore. The same cannot be said of the foreigners ruling Iran and their generals. Every single one of them is an inbreed, unqualified and a foreigner by birth or by mindset. Equating Shah because he was dictator and the current regime, or their generals, is an insult to reason, sanity, and decency.

Third, talk is cheap and there is a lot of cheap talk. In one well documented manuver in Fars in years preceeding the 79 farce, several hundred Iranian jets from across Iran and every corner of this glorious land rose and performed a simultaneous landing. Pilots among you appreciate what this means. Several American Generals (reportedly including Heiser) were awed because even U.S. military would have been hard pressed to accomplish the same manuver. With hindsight, that show of might, was a critical mistake by Shah unduly exposing that Iran's military might exceeded even its supplier's assessment.

Fourth, I myself along with a cousin, decided to join the airforce that was actively recruiting at the time. My cousin got in, I was refused because I was 2 years younger than the minimum age even though I was in last year of high school. And no, you could not get in by cheating and I had all the contacts. The benefits once you got in included training in Iran before you were shipped out to Texas or some other training ground. And everyone knew that Iranian Air Force students got top housing, facilities, training jets and honors. My cousin, left Airforce education refusing to serve these criminals.

I'm sure despite all the lack of funding, training, inbreeding and misery, even in the IRR there are Iranians who can compete with the best of them but out of talent and love of country not for the rapist regime's sake or credit. A regime that has repeatedly proven its incompetence and malice on almost every front, except repressing its own people, could not possibly put up a decent fight but only time will prove this assertion. And this will have little in common with Iran-Iraq war where the aspirations and emotions of a nation were manipulated to support war of attrition planned and manged by the West, the enemy was not a super power and the soldiers had bought the manipulation as did the people and 'believed'. None of those conditions hold true now and there is no support for this regime except at the inbreeding circles.

Hopefully we will throw these aliens out of our country before they expose her to an unwanted , unneeded, unwelcome but potentially devastating war. A price IRR criminals will willingly pay and indeed are preparing for.

OKtaby


Shazde Asdola Mirza

I can only repeat what Anonymous Oberserver has already said:

by Shazde Asdola Mirza on

"What those men dropped in the toilet, when they had a bowel movement, was and is, worth more than the entire IRGC, Basij and the hezbollahi nitwits that the IRI has put in charge of Iran's regular military today."

Maybe just one more line: With those generals, the Iraqi Saddam was trembling like a little mouse in front of the Iranian lion. The arabs would wet their pants just seeing our birds fly overhead. Even the russians were respectful and mindful of the Iranian armed forces.

They were far from perfect, but by god - they were the best we have ever had!


Hajminator

روح تک تک این قهرمانان شاد باد.

Hajminator


آرزوی من اینکه، این شیرمردان اشتباه بعضی ایرانیان سخیف دل را به جوانان رشید فعلی ببخشند تا ایران بتواند از دست اهریمن نجات پیدا کند.

Fateh, how can you say that? Iranians are grateful to these brave men. Without our remaining air force, Iranian forces would have crashed in front of Saddam's army at the beginning of the war. So please respect these guys as it should be.


Faramarz

It Took More than Ass Kissing

by Faramarz on

We can’t say on the one hand that “We did not know anything about these people” and then say on the other hand “They all got there because they had a PhD in Khayeh Maali.” So where is this vast knowledge coming from?

It is true that Shah continued and cultivated the centuries-old Khayeh Maali culture in Iran, but it takes more than that to be a squadron leader of fighter jets or the head of the technical teams that oversaw the Air Force communications and radar network. It took education, training and other skills.

Like most readers of this site, we travel internationally and put our lives in the hands of 747 pilots. Do we for a second think that the guy at the United cockpit got there by Khayeh Maali?

It is also true that there were a lot of “dead wood” in the Iranian armed forces. But that is true everywhere. You show me the executive team of any large company in this country, and I will show you people who got there solely by knowing the top guy, hence Khayeh Maali.

I met my good friend’s father several years ago. He was a retired Army colonel. I asked him what he was going to do now that he was living in the States. He gave me a thoughtful look and said, “With the skills that I have acquired in the Iranian Army, I am suited to do only one job here, and that is a hotel doorman!” I laughed and asked him why. He said, “I only know how to put on a uniform and salute people as they go by!”


Emil

Silk handkerchief

by Emil on

One could buy all of them from the bottom to the top..from the soldiers to the  so called generals...these guys had just a bigger silk handkerchief to rub the X-dictator's testicles to get to the higher ranks...

Thx for adding a face to corrupted ones...

 


amojan

Baghdad capital of Iran

by amojan on


Baghdad capital of Iran would have been not Tehran if itwasn’t for the Air Force and Military which Shah put together.  Shah bought military hardware but hemade sure that trained Iranian operate the planes not French, Russian orAmerican pilots do the fighting like what Sadam did. Books like (IRANIAN F-4 PHANTOM II UNITS IN COMBAT) and (IRANIAN F-14 TOMCAT UNITS IN COMBAT)explainclearly Iranian pilots if didn’t die in combat they were executed by their ownpeople regardless of Shah. These pilots and their experiences are a fantasy nowfor Iranian. I hope one day we are able to built a memorial for them with all their correct names. 


mahmoudg

great generals

by mahmoudg on

picture number 10 is Saied Mehdiyoun executed in 1980 for being the mastermind of the nojeh coup.


statira

True Generals

by statira on

All clean cut and handsome. Artesheamoon chee boodand o chee shoodand.


vildemose

"...As with a number of by

by vildemose on

"...As with a number of

by vildemose on

"...As with a number of well-known Middle Eastern leaders, including the late and largely unlamented Saddam Hussein, President Mahmud Ahmadinejad continues to put what purports to be national pride before common sense or a rational approach to international relations.

The Iranian government, its military and intelligence services go out of their way to needle the West in a manner that suggests that they still harbor the illusion of surviving such a military confrontation.

Iran incapable of defending its strategic targets
The truth is that Iran is quite incapable of defending its air space and strategic targets against a determined Israeli attack, let alone one that involved US air assets.

Iran's air force and air defense forces are a generation or more behind its potential foes. According to the US Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington in May 2009, "Without Russian air defense systems, Iran is a sitting duck."

CSIS said, "Iran's current air defense umbrella is antiquated and could not stop an Israeli or US strike. Iran's air defense network could be easily penetrated by the air forces of Israel and the United States."

 

//www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KL22Ak04.html


Hovakhshatare

Nicly put Faramarz,

by Hovakhshatare on

Anyone inviting the IRR scum to their home is either one of them or wants to be. Else, they have a death or rape wish.

Moftaki, I wish all your wishes come back to you.

Those of you who so viciously attack and degrade these men, after 30 years of rape and plunder must hate Iran, yourself, or both.


Neda ye Iran e Azad

You should have mentioned

by Neda ye Iran e Azad on

what happened to every single one of them.  

Thanks


Anonymous Observer

What these people

by Anonymous Observer on

dropped in the toilet when they had a bowel movement was, and is, worth more than the entire IRGC, Basij and the hezbollahi nitwits that the IRI has put in charge of Iran's regular military today.


default

تیمسار کمپانی گور در گور بشه

moftaki


انشألله سرنوشت آنها قسمت بعضی‌ از اونهایی بشه  که زر زیادی میزنن


یادشان به خیر

 


Jahanshah Javid

Names so far

by Jahanshah Javid on

Thanks Peykan, I added the names below their photo.


MRX1

True son's of Iran

by MRX1 on

There is not an even comparison between these brave men and bunch of ashghal pashm and rish that are in charge of any thing in Iran now including what ever that is left of once mighty arifroce.

These men kept sky's of Iran safe for over thirty year. It was the remainder of this airforce that fought so bravely in iran and Iraq war that prevented near certain victory of Iraq. 

Let us not also forget that the only serious challenge  to over throw the islamo facist regime (Ghiam 18 tir) came from Iranian airfroce.  Had these brave men succeeded, we wouldn't have ended up with thirty years of night mare, war, executions, torture chamber s and so on. Name's like Jahanbani, mahdion, mohagheghi, jahangiri and many many others will always be remebered by Iranian patriots. 

Finally to those idiots who make mockery or fun of these men: you best should look at the mirrior and see your own empty life's, with nothing to show for except inferior complexity, oghdeh and not much else. You guys are true son's of Islamic Rapist Republic.


Anonymouse

Faramarz jaan who do u think basijis' "relatives" would invite?

by Anonymouse on

Everything is sacred.


Faramarz

گذشته، چراغ راه ِ آينده

Faramarz


This was not meant at re-living the past or argue for or against the Shah. The intent here was to share a picture with the friends and relatives and those who are proud of these men. And instead of looking at black and white pictures of executed men in a morgue in Tehran, they can be seen at the prime of their lives.

Now, put this picture next to a picture of Mahmoud, Khamenei and the Basijis, and tell me who you would invite to your house for dinner tonight.